DNEckert wrote: > > Are there any records of 1732 newspapers in Philadelphia. I am wondering > if there are German Newspapers that ran classified adds or listing of > Palatine immigrants arriving in Philadelphia. What I am trying to find > is if the whole family is listed instead of the head male of the family. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > David Eckert David: I don't know about the year 1732, but Edward W. Hocker's book "Genealogical Data Relating to German Settlers of Pennsylvania and Adjacent Territory from Advertisements in German Newspapers Published in Philadelphia and Germantown, 1743-1800" published 1980 by Genealocal Publishing Co., Inc. might be helpful. One such advertisement is from a Lancaster County man who is in search of two brother-in-laws who "have been in America ten years". Apparently it could take some time before a relative could be located! From the preface: "Arranged by newspaper, and threrunder by date of publication, this work contains abstracts of paid notices, advertisements, and articles pertaining to German settlers in Pennsylvania during the period 1743 to 1800, the data deriving variously from death notices, advertisements for runaway servants, offers of property for sale and lease, offers of goods and services, notices of arrival and removal in the Pennsylvania area, advertisements of letters received and awaited delivery, and notices placed by persons seeking news of relatives and friends, which sometimes designate place of residence in America and birthplace in Germany." One the one page I photocopied, it lists names form the following areas: Lebanon Co, New York, Heidlebeg Town, Falckner Swamp, Bucks Co, Ephrata, Berks Co, Egypt (Lehigh Co, Salisbury Twp, and Lancaster Co. This book is well worth the search. Good Hunting, Sue (Miller) Bosevich bosevich@ilinks.net

. Hi Peggy Sue, Do you have any idea if any of your Dillingers or Beckers migrated to VA. in the mid 1700's? Regards, Jana >28, 1752, Anna Catherine DILLINGER, daughter of Henry William DILLINGER. >Among their children were Rosina, Catherine, Anna Maria, Mathias, Jacob, >Susanna and Margaret. About 1771 he removed from this vicinity. > >[Note that my ancestor is Christian's son JONAS Bostian/Bastian who >married Margaret Becker (could be Baker also?) in Lehigh Co., PA. Their >I also have a Baker family in Berks Co., PA. Hans Michael Baker arrived >in 1737 aboard the ship SAMUEL. His gr gr granddaughter Catherine Baker Jana Baker <winston@tcsn.net> Researching the names: BAKER, BOWSER, BROWN,DANNER, LONGO, MATHEWS,MILLER, MILLS, NESSELRODT, NEWCOMB, PURPURA, SONNERFRANK

In a message dated 97-10-23 12:39:50 EDT, cmcelroy@mexia.com writes: << Hi, Does anyone have a summary of the history of Honeybrook, Chester co., PA? I'm interested in it's founding and some of its history after that. Cheri Lee McElroy cmcelroy@mexia.com http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/2840 >> So am I! Jeanhopper@aol.com

Dear Ronald and List, The only 'dumb' question is the one not asked. I have an ancestor, Jeremiah H. INKROTE, b. in Cororus (Township?), York County, PA on 13 January 1842. I assumed that records before 1893 were kept sparcely if at all by government and the like. We will probably have to find family or Church records of this era. There is a York County Historical Society, but I also assume that we would have to search whatever documentation they have in person. Someday, I hope to get up tho that neck of the woods. If anyone knows different, please let me know. Thanks for the question, and good luck in your search. Robert Jones rjones@mediaone.net Ronald Spahr wrote: > > Dear List: In my continued search for information about my "SPAHR" family > heritage, I find my g-grandfather and gg-grandfather listed on both the 1870 > and 1880 census and living in Carroll Twp., York, Pa. > My g-grandfather was Milton H. SPAHR and I believe born 6,Sept. 1867. His > father, Henry K. SPAHR was reportedly born 20, Aug. 1840. I have no clue as > to who was the father of Henry. - (any assistance would be appreated). > In surfing about varrious York Co., Pa. web sites, I get the impression > that the "County" kept "...records of birth and death from 1893 through > 1906. Birth and death records of persons born after 1906 are kept on > file..." the state level. > Ok, so being everything from real dense, to an air head... MY QUESTION > is, in looking for a record of Milton's birth (I really believe in Carroll > Twp.) and other siblings... Does any one know to whom / where I should write > for this information, ? in Carroll Twp. ? maybe someone/place in Dillsburg? > Ron ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visited the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

Peggy, The Pink Plaisance was one of the first ships to bring Palatines to America through the port of Philadelphia - arriving Sept. 19, 1732, from Cowes, England, on the Isle of Wight, last from Rotterdam, Holland, from Germany. Of its 77 male adults, one was named Johanis Fulker, aged 58. There was also a Johan Jacob Felker aged 17 - who was noted as Sick. There was also 68 women and 45 children. The Captain was John Parrett. Hope this helps you! Roy Kline, Jr, Judy wrote: > > Peggy S Wilson wrote: > > > > I have been told that Johannes Jacob Fulker came to Pa in 1733 in the > > PINK PLAISANCE. I have not been able to find any record of this ship. > > Has anyone seen the name? I'd like to know if there is at least a month > > if not a day, and where it sailed from. Also if there is an age listed > > for Johannes Jacob Fulker (I know him as Jacob Felker/Volker) as well as > > other like names. Really, I'd be interested in the entire passenger list > > if anyone knows where I might find it. > > > > Thanks! > > Peggy Sue > > peggysue411@juno.com > > HomePage > > http://members.aol.com/PWilson411/indexs.html > > Hi Peggy Sue, > Send an inquiry to emigration-ships@northwest.com > There are some VERY knowledgeable people there. If someone there can't > help you, maybe they can point you in the right direction. Good luck. > Judy > > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Abbreviations---PD=Pennsylvania Dutch, PMH=Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage magazine, MFH=Mennonite family History magazine, MRJ=Mennonite Research Journal, LMHS=Lancaster Mennonite Hist. Society. This and more list info at: http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

>I forgot to say about the Moravians: I am not sure they are considered >Pennsylvania Dutch and the reason may be that they came from a region >called Moravia, now in - well, I'm not sure whether the Czechs or >Slovaks got Moravia in the latest rearrangement of borders, but it is >not in what is now Germany, and I'm not sure whether it ever was. But >the people are definitely ethnic Germans, not Slavs. >-- >jan <janiceaf@ix.netcom.com> >Researching names: FRANK, KELLER, LUPHER/LUPFER, > PENROSE, SCHULTZ, TAYLOR > > Joan Myers Young gave an excellent summary of the early Moravian church in Europe and America in response to this question, so I won't repeat that. However, I would like to add that a very substantial number of the early Moravians in America were people who immigrated as Lutherans or Reformed, mostly from the Rhineland, and later joined the Moravian church. I was quite surprised in fact to find when I started doing genealogy on my Moravian ancestors (my father's entire family, in the Winston-Salem NC area), that most of them were actually from Alsace or Switzerland. I would definitely consider them to be part of the PA "Dutch" or German community. For more on the Moravian church, take a look at their web site: http://www.moravian.org/ Elizabeth Harris chlamy@acpub.duke.edu

Dear List: In my continued search for information about my "SPAHR" family heritage, I find my g-grandfather and gg-grandfather listed on both the 1870 and 1880 census and living in Carroll Twp., York, Pa. My g-grandfather was Milton H. SPAHR and I believe born 6,Sept. 1867. His father, Henry K. SPAHR was reportedly born 20, Aug. 1840. I have no clue as to who was the father of Henry. - (any assistance would be appreated). In surfing about varrious York Co., Pa. web sites, I get the impression that the "County" kept "...records of birth and death from 1893 through 1906. Birth and death records of persons born after 1906 are kept on file..." the state level. Ok, so being everything from real dense, to an air head... MY QUESTION is, in looking for a record of Milton's birth (I really believe in Carroll Twp.) and other siblings... Does any one know to whom / where I should write for this information, ? in Carroll Twp. ? maybe someone/place in Dillsburg? Ron

The Historical Society of York County, 250 East Market St., York, Pa. 17403, did some research for me. You can contact them by s-mail at their address or call them at (717) 848-1587. There is a charge for their research and it takes a number of weeks for them to get back to you with the information you require. Good Luck. ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?

Please Note: See page 79 of Volume I of Pennsylvania German Pioneers by Strassburger and Hinke, Sept 21, 1732 (not 33); Johannes Fulker age 58; Johan Jacob Felker, sick, age 18;Melker Feeler age 43; a Jacob Feglear, a child; and an Anna Fellar age 50. No other names come close. Another note that might be of interest of passangers on this list.... The Zimmerman families were from Steffisburg, Canton Bern Switzerland. Most of these or their children ended up West of The Catawba River in NC shortly after 1750. Just my good deed for the day... Lorena Peggy S Wilson wrote: > > I have been told that Johannes Jacob Fulker came to Pa in 1733 in the > PINK PLAISANCE. I have not been able to find any record of this ship. > Has anyone seen the name? I'd like to know if there is at least a month > if not a day, and where it sailed from. Also if there is an age listed > for Johannes Jacob Fulker (I know him as Jacob Felker/Volker) as well as > other like names. Really, I'd be interested in the entire passenger list > if anyone knows where I might find it. > > Thanks! > Peggy Sue > peggysue411@juno.com > HomePage > http://members.aol.com/PWilson411/indexs.html Hi Peggy Sue, Send an inquiry to emigration-ships@northwest.com There are some VERY knowledgeable people there. If someone there can't help you, maybe they can point you in the right direction. Good luck. Judy ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

-- [ From: John Getz * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Want to share and compare ancestors and descendants of Johannes (John) Fischel ( var. spellings) 1703-1786 Essenheim Germany to York Co PA. Mar.Maria Elizabeth Schmidt.1728. To America 1742 0n LOYAL JUDITH 1742. Were Reformed then Moravian, intermaried with LANIUS John -- John L. Getz, M.D. 266 Egret Lane Vero Beach, FL 32963-2623 561-234-5364 Searching: GETZ, BARBEHENN, FAHS, HOFF, LANIUS, KNAUSS BORTNER, CORNMAN, BUSER, WALBORN, BATDORF, UPDEGRAFF, REISINGER, WENTZ, ILGENFRITZ, GROFF/GROVE STRAUSBAUGH, GANTZ, STRICKHAUSER, KOPPENHAFER, CONRAD, + 27,000 names in database mostly starting in Germany or York Co. PA. http://www.nmt.net/gen/biographies/john_getz.html http://www.nmt.net/gen/pictures/JGetz/index.html http://www.nmt.net/gen/Ahnetafel/Getz-ahnetafel.html ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

Peggy S Wilson wrote: > > I have been told that Johannes Jacob Fulker came to Pa in 1733 in the > PINK PLAISANCE. I have not been able to find any record of this ship. > Has anyone seen the name? I'd like to know if there is at least a month > if not a day, and where it sailed from. Also if there is an age listed > for Johannes Jacob Fulker (I know him as Jacob Felker/Volker) as well as > other like names. Really, I'd be interested in the entire passenger list > if anyone knows where I might find it. > > Thanks! > Peggy Sue > peggysue411@juno.com > HomePage > http://members.aol.com/PWilson411/indexs.html Hi Peggy Sue, Send an inquiry to emigration-ships@northwest.com There are some VERY knowledgeable people there. If someone there can't help you, maybe they can point you in the right direction. Good luck. Judy ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM

Is anyone searching, or does anyone have, info on the SAVAGE families in Berks County PA about 1800-1825? I have read "Johannes H. Savage His descendants from John Sowash, Sr." by Richard Sowash, but the Savage families which evolved from this family moved to West Morland County, PA before my grt grandfather Jacob SAVAGE, whose family I am searching, was born in 1814. Also I have numerous names of Savages buried in St. Michael Cemetery #2, Tilden Twp., Berks County, but I can't tie Jacob into any family here. Jacob moved to Ohio sometime before 1840. Can anyone provide any help? I can provide much information on the family after about 1840.

Susanna SEIVERLING/SIVERLING 1827-1882 m. Wm. KOCH 1798-1861. They lived in Brecknock twp. of Berks County. Susanna may be a dau of George Siverling of the Brecknock/Caernarvon twps area of Berks County. They moved across the Lancaster county line to the Churchtown area abt. 1850. In 1870 after Wm's death Henry HOFFMAN age 19 was living in the home and working as a farm laborer. He is possibly a nephew. SIVERLING is not a common name and I have only found a George SEIVERLING abt 1783 as a poosible father. They likely belonged to the Reformed Church. Looking for any other SIVERLING references. Thanks rod ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

In a message dated 97-10-23 11:53:08 EDT, you write: << Faye Moran and Elizabeth Harris have created a wonderful website which includes excellent MORAVIAN information and family ties. This URL should prove helpful in finding more about these interesting people. http://www.duke.edu/web/chlamy >> That site is entirely North Carolina isn't it? I'm interested in something about PD area Moravians. Is there a site for this topic? rod ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?

Faye Moran and Elizabeth Harris have created a wonderful website which includes excellent MORAVIAN information and family ties. This URL should prove helpful in finding more about these interesting people. http://www.duke.edu/web/chlamy Peggy Sue peggysue411@juno.com HomePage http://members.aol.com/PWilson411/indexe.html ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?

The HISTORY OF LEHIGH COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA has a section on the family headed by Christopher Bastian and his wife Ann who came from Germany and settled in Upper Milford, now Old Zionsville, near Dillingersville, PA. Dates are not given for their arrival and it is possible they came with their young daughter Anne, after their sons made the ocean voyage in successive years. Christopher, Jr. may also have come across at the same time with his parents. The Bastian Family of Lehigh County, Pennsylvania ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Roberts, Charles Rhodes, "History of Lehigh County, Pennsylvania", Lehigh Valley Publishing Co., Ltd., Allentown, PA, 1914, Vol.2, p. 64. BASTIAN FAMILY The ancestors of this long settled Pennsylvania family were Christopher and Ann Bastian. They had a large family. Their daughter, Ann, was born May 24, 1739. She was married at St. Michael's church, Philadelphia, to Abraham Rex (1735-1793), and they had fourteen children. Other children of Christopher Bastian were: Christopher, Jr., Andreas, Mathias, JONAS and Michael. The last four resided for some years in Upper Milford township, now Lehigh county, and their names appear in the township tax list for 1762. Mathias Bastian arrived at Philadelphia on Sept. 25, 1751, and settled in Upper Milford. His wife, Barbara, died on Oct. 5, 1751, aged 25 years, ten days after her arrival in America. Mathias Bastian married on Feb. 28, 1752, Anna Catherine DILLINGER, daughter of Henry William DILLINGER. Among their children were Rosina, Catherine, Anna Maria, Mathias, Jacob, Susanna and Margaret. About 1771 he removed from this vicinity. [Note that my ancestor is Christian's son JONAS Bostian/Bastian who married Margaret Becker (could be Baker also?) in Lehigh Co., PA. Their daughter Margaretha married John Felker. John and Margaretha's son Jacob married Elizabeth FRIZE/FREEZE - b. NC but family also of PA?] I also have a Baker family in Berks Co., PA. Hans Michael Baker arrived in 1737 aboard the ship SAMUEL. His gr gr granddaughter Catherine Baker b. ca 1815 in NC m. John Garver/Gerber/Garber whose ancestors are also from Berks Co., PA. Their son Leonard Benjamin Garver m. Mary Ann FELKER. Peggy Sue peggysue411@juno.com HomePage http://members.aol.com/PWilson411/indexs.html (with links) ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

Janice: Off the top of my head I can't help you. I have lots of Rausch in my database but it is not a name that I am researching. There are a lot of Rausch's in Berks Co., PA. I'll take a look around some of the common cemeteries for these people and seee if I come up with something. If you have more information that you could provide it would be appreciated. JOHN ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visited the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

I have been told that Johannes Jacob Fulker came to Pa in 1733 in the PINK PLAISANCE. I have not been able to find any record of this ship. Has anyone seen the name? I'd like to know if there is at least a month if not a day, and where it sailed from. Also if there is an age listed for Johannes Jacob Fulker (I know him as Jacob Felker/Volker) as well as other like names. Really, I'd be interested in the entire passenger list if anyone knows where I might find it. Thanks! Peggy Sue peggysue411@juno.com HomePage http://members.aol.com/PWilson411/indexs.html

"Welcomed at first, and their labor in advancing the general prosperity recognized, the extent of the immigration began as early as 1717 to occasion apprehensionb on the part of English settlers, which increased to positive hostility, as years brought no cessation of the stream. In 1728, Governor Thomas estimated the Germans as constituting three-fifths of the entire population. The words of Benjamin Franklin in 1751 may be recalled as a proof of the vastness of the movement:"Why should the Palatine boors be suffered to swarm into our settlements,and, by herding together, establish their language and manners, to the exclusion of ours? Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a colony of aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us, instead of our Anglicifying them, and they will never adopt our language or customs any more than they can acquire our complexion. Dr. William Smith, the Provost of the University of Pennsylvania, thought it possible that the Provincial legislature would be forced to appoint an official interpreter, that one-half of the legislators might be able to understand the other half, and to save Pennsylvania from the threatened heathenism, organized a 'Society for the Propagation of the Gospel among the Germans!' Alarmists were constantly raising the cry of an imminent peril of an alliance between the Pennsylvania Germans and the French, on the west, that would be fatal to English dominance. Franklin was soon made to feel that he had committed a political blunder by his strongly expressed hostility to the immigrants, and tried to explain that the term "boor" he had employed, was only a synonym for 'farmer'; while he freely conceded the important contribution they made to the development of Pennsylvania. "Their industry and frugality are exemplary. They are excellent husbandmen and contribute greatly to the improvement of a country." In 1738, the Governor, in a message to the Provincial Assembly, had declared:"This Province has been for some time the asylum of the distressed Protestants of the Palatinate, and other parts of Germany; and I believe it may with truth be said that the present flourising condition of it is in great measure owing to the industry of these people." When in 1729, Thomas Mackin, the Principal of the Philadelphia Academy, undertook to celebrate the growing prosperity of the Province, he both alludes to the numbers and the importance of our fathers in the words: Twas hither first the british crossed the main; Thence many others left their native plain; And from Germania, crowded vessels come. Hibernia's sons forsake their native home; Since every stranger may partake a share. Hence still more culture shall the soil receive, And every year increasing plenty give. Cleared from the woods more fruitful land they gain, And yellow Ceres fills the extended plain. Here bubbling fountains flow through every mede, Where flocks and herds delight to drink and feed. The marshy grounds improved rich meadows yield, The wilderness is made into a field." the end ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

Those of you who are not regular visitors to Ancestry's website at: http://www.ancestry.com <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com">Genealo gy: Ancestry Home Town</A> might want to check out some of the currently-free, searchable databases now online, including the following: (Databases generally free for 25 days.) "Sons of the American Revolution" Description: This work contains the entire list (thousands of members) of the membership of the National Society Sons of the American Revolution to December 31, 1901, including deceased members, with their line of descent from their Revolutionary ancestors. (posted 10/8) "Maryland Soldiers During the Civil War, Vol. 1" (posted 10/22) "Virginia Military in the Rev. War" (posted 10/13) "Scotch-Irish in VA, Vol. 3 (Augusta County, VA 1745-1800)" (posted 10/7) Vol. 2 of above (posted 10/3) Vol. 1 of above (posted 9/30) NOTE: some (all?) entries will have a "plus sign" at the beginning. Clicking on the plus sign will bring up the page or paragraph of the entry itself. BTW, I suggest that fellow AOL members use Netscape (or MSIE) if you want to print out pages, due to AOL's irritating failure to print URL's on printed pages (I had the devil's own time getting back to a page I printed out because I did not have the URL.) Anne Lurie St. George, Vermont