I am looking for information on the Subject family in Montgomery and area counties. The New Hanover Lutheran Church records show the marriage of Henry Rumfield to Christina Bartman in 1807, and the marriage of Philip Rumfield to Rosina Minner in 1806. Maria Rumfield was born to Henry and Christina in 1809. Does anyone have any additional information on these families? Specifically I am looking for the birth of my gg-grandfather Peleg Rumfield. He was born in PA in 1818 (March 25). I have not been able to establish who his parents are. I am also looking for a Petit family. Rachel Petit was born in 1819 and married Peleg Rumfield. They later went to Ohio. I would appreciate any information. Dick Sommer <rosommer@primenet.com> Stillwater, MN ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Abbreviations---PD=Pennsylvania Dutch, PMH=Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage magazine, MFH=Mennonite family History magazine, MRJ=Mennonite Research Journal, LMHS=Lancaster Mennonite Hist. Society. This and more list info at: http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

Since no one else seems inclined to field this one, I may as well take a shot at it. In 1719 the northwestern area of Chester County was settled by Welsh who chose to name the township "Nantmeal" meaning "sweet stream" or "sweet water". In 1740 it was divided into East and West Nantmeal townships. On February 24, 1789, a group of landowners in the northwestern part of West Nantmeal Township appealed to the courts in West Chester for a division of the large township, the petition was granted and Honey Brook Township was founded. The area was intensely rural at the time and predominantly settled by Scots-Irish and Welsh. The town of Honey Brook itself was first known as Waynesburg, after the "General Wayne" tavern at the center of the village, during the years 1815-1876. With the advent of the railroad the name was changed to Honeybrook to avoid confusion with another Waynesburg in the southwestern part of the state. From about 1900 on, the name appears written as two words, Honey Brook, although you will see road signs that differ in this respect. My family has been rooted in this spot since the late 1700's and I have three histories of Honey Brook, two on the township and one on the borough, which go into more detail about families, individuals and institutions in the area. Please feel free to e-mail me if you have a specific question on which I might be able to help. Teresa Gordon DiPietro tdipietro@prodigy.net ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

10-25-97 @ 1515 EDT Greetings All: Does anyone have access to the 1810 census record of Roscoman Twp., Berks County? I would appreciate the census details for HENRY EGOLD (EGOLF) allegedly listed on page 199. As I cannot find Roscoman Twp. in my Atlas, does it exist today? Or, was its name changed sometime after 1810. Are there any other Roscoman Twp. records available from the 1810 era, speciffically regarding HENRY EGOLD (EGOLF) ? Any inputs you can offer, will be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Carl C. ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?

In a message dated 97-10-24 00:46:26 EDT, you write: << Volume I of Pennsylvania German Pioneers by Strassburger and Hinke, >> Is this publication available for purchase anywhere? Jane ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visited the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

PD'ers The time required to reach a web site and display the page seems to be getting longer and longer and I don't know if it my computer or network congestion. I just (2:00 A.M.) logged to a site mentioned in today's mail, as a test. It took 2 minutes, after reaching the site, to display a file of 10,300 bytes. I am using a 486 with a 14.4 external modem. I can see the transmit light on the modem flicker after long pauses, as does the hard disk light. It seems the packets are not getting thru the net and my AOL server. Faster modems will help but the question is how much .... the delay seems to me to be in the net because the response was much better a couple of years ago. I would be interested in any comments or time-test information that you might wish to provide. If there is enogh interest, and no one objects to this kind of posting, I will summarize you replies and publish them. >>>>>> Please contact me direct: dick744@aol.com <<<<<<<<<<< TIA Dick Creps

I had problems accessing the Ancestry Info.. I kept getting the answer, "Information not found." I KNOW one person was on the MASS list.. I am a DAR member thru him...??? Does anyone know what the problem is? EllieSS@aol.com ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM

all, if you have not visited the webpage associated with this mail list, please do so. Information pertaining to posts, submitting of surnames and other general list info is there. In order to avoid repetitive question posts about "where do I find lists of immigrants names..?", "what is PMH?" etc. etc.,please see the linked references page and other pages linked to PDL homepage. The answer you seek may be there and that is the purpose of these webpages. Otherwise this same question and the responses it spawns appear every several weeks. http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html or <A HREF="http://members .aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html">Penna-Dutch-L Home Page</A> thanks rod

This line of my family history is quite sparse but, maybe, just maybe one of you will have some insight on the Weisner family. The family has been difficult to trace, probably because, for two generations, a much older man married for a second time to a very young wife and I descend from the second marriage of each. Generation 1: My grandfather: Robert Ross Weisner of Latrobe, Westmoreland, PA--born in Fairfield Twp., Westmoreland in 1875, died in Latrobe in 1955. Married Alice Kuhns of Bell Twp., Westmoreland, in 1904. Six children. Generation 2: Robert Ross Weisner was the son of Robert R. Wisener (as spelled on tombstone) and Elizabeth Gindlesperger. Robert R., the father, was born 1812, died 1886, married in 1865 to Elizabeth who was 32 years young than he (her second husband--first was Abraham Eshelman who was killed in Civil War), buried in Ft. Palmer Cemetery in Fairfield Twp. Robert R. and Elizabeth were the parents of eight children. Except for my grandfather's line, the surname used by their descendants is now Wisner. This marriage was Robert's second marriage--the first was to a Margaret ____. Robert and Margaret appear in Ligonier Twp., Westmoreland Co. 1850 and 1860 Census with a son Thomas (ages 36-28-9 and 40-39-21 respectively). Generation 3: Robert R. was the son of Ananias Wisner, according to Wisners in America by G. F. Wisner, 1918, p.269-270: "Another family of Wisners came from Germany in 1750 and settled in New Jersey. There were two sons--Ananias and George. Ananias was born 1751 and served in the Revolutionary War for five years. He was wounded in one leg. "When the war was over he married and settled in Westmoreland county, Pennsylvania, where he reared three children--John, William, and Henry. "In 1796 his wife died and later he married again. Two sons and two daughters were born to this union. The sons were Thomas and Robert." I've found Ananias on the tax rolls for Rye Twp., Cumberland County, PA in 1782 as a freeman, in Teboyne Twp. for 1782, in Newton Twp. in 1785, and finally in Hopewell Twp. as a shoemaker in 1786. In Census records: 1810 in Fairfield Twp., Westmoreland; maybe in 1840 census, same twp. as Americus Wisener. I would appreciate any help in Generations 2 and 3 above--more details on Robert R.'s first marriage, Margaret's surname, etc. and on both marriages of Ananias. Also, information on Ananias's Rev. War service, his parentage, siblings, anything! I will be happy to share what I do have on generations 1 and 2. Candy gtanderson@juno.com ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visited the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

Annie, You are just the person I want to find out something from about AOL! I haven't used a browser in the past and I want to know if you can use NETSCAPE NAVIGATOR works with AOL efficiently???? I don't want to use Microsoft Internet Explorer if I don't have to do so! What browser are you using with your AOL? Thanks! Nancy AGNEW Peche' San Antonio, Texas ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Subj: Off-topic - Ancestry's Free Databases > Date: 97-10-24 13:25:21 EDT > From: ALurie6171@aol.com > Resent-from: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com > To: PENNSYLVANIA-ROOTS-L@listserv.indiana.edu, PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com, > ftmtech-l@lists.best.com > > Those of you who are not regular visitors to Ancestry's website at: > > http://www.ancestry.com <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com">Gene alo gy: Ancestry Home Town</A> > > might want to check out some of the currently-free, searchable databases now > online, including the following: (Databases generally free for 25 days.) > > "Sons of the American Revolution" > Description: This work contains the entire list (thousands of members) > of > the membership of the National Society Sons of the American Revolution to > December 31, 1901, including deceased members, with their line of descent > from their Revolutionary ancestors. (posted 10/8) > > "Maryland Soldiers During the Civil War, Vol. 1" (posted 10/22) > > "Virginia Military in the Rev. War" (posted 10/13) > > "Scotch-Irish in VA, Vol. 3 (Augusta County, VA 1745-1800)" (posted 10/7) > Vol. 2 of above (posted 10/3) > Vol. 1 of above (posted 9/30) > > NOTE: some (all?) entries will have a "plus sign" at the beginning. > Clicking on the plus sign will bring up the page or paragraph of the entry > itself. > > BTW, I suggest that fellow AOL members use Netscape (or MSIE) if you want to > print out pages, due to AOL's irritating failure to print URL's on printed > pages (I had the devil's own time getting back to a page I printed out > because I did not have the URL.) > > Anne Lurie > St. George, Vermont > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM

Peggy Sue Wilson kindly wrote, >Faye Moran and Elizabeth Harris have created a wonderful website which >includes excellent MORAVIAN information and family ties. This URL should >prove helpful in finding more about these interesting people. >http://www.duke.edu/web/chlamy > Although this page will lead you to the site that Faye and I are doing, actually this one is my other page, which Peggy knows from our common interest in some Scots Presbyterians (we spent a great day together in June cemetery-hopping in Cabarrus Co. NC). The more direct route to the Moravian names is http://www.erols.com/fmoran I might add, Faye and I are interested in the whole settlement in the Winston-Salem area. If you have names in this region (early Surry and Stokes County, plus present-day Forsyth, Davie and Yadkin), we'd love to hear from you. Elizabeth Harris chlamy@acpub.duke.edu ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

I wanted to thank everyone who took the time and trouble to look up this ship and the "Felker/Volker/Fulker" (etc) people for me. I am constantly impressed by how friendly and helpful genealogists are. This IS how we find our families, which, to me, is what it is all about. Since all my known North Carolina families were from Pennsylvania, if you suspect your families migrated to NC, let me know. I have done extensive research in that area, and know others who have also. We'd all be happy to check our notes for you! THANKS AGAIN!! Peggy Sue peggysue411@juno.com HomePage http://members.aol.com/PWilson411/indexe.html

This info and that for other Historical and other societies is permanently posted on the PDL webpage at <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennad utch.html">Penna-Dutch-L Home Page</A> or http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html rod ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?

Sent by mistake to list. Sylvia Please delete orginal message. E-mail only. --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: Help requested Date: 97-10-24 08:54:41 EDT From: BeatAGoose To: goob@innova.net No! it was put there by mistake,sent to PENNA_DUTCH LIST E-mail by mistake. now the whole world knows my phone # & address, not the first time, Berks County Genealogy Society Journals & Newsletters had same in several times & we had 1000 members some acoss the seas. Please no phone calls or snail mail, was for Patricia in France only. Sorry. E-mail only. Sylvia

The Historical Society of York County, 250 East Market St., York, Pa. 17403, did some research for me. You can contact them by s-mail at their address or call them at (717) 848-1587. There is a charge for their research and it takes a number of weeks for them to get back to you with the information you require. Good Luck. ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM

Sender: QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by dub-img-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.7) with ESMTP id LAA18639; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA14568; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:15:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: ltmiller@postoffice.ptd.net (Unverified) Message-Id: <v01510100b06b9663975d@[204.186.37.18]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:20:43 +0100 To: Julie Molek <jts@mwt.net> From: ltmiller@postoffice.ptd.net (Linnea Miller) Subject: Re: GINDER/TOMBSTONE INSCRIPTION Cc: PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com, PENNSYLVANIA-ROOTS-L@listserv.indiana.edu, QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bl-14.rootsweb.com id IAA25717 Resent-Message-ID: <"oSwRjD.A.ESG.E3iR0"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> Resent-From: QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1962 X-Loop: QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com >Can anyone tell me what this tombstome inscription means? > > Denkmal/fur (double dots above u)/Sara Ginder,/ eine geborne >Klein/ und Ehjegattin des/ Johannes Ginder;/geboren den 19 Januar/ 1806, >starb den 2 August/ 1834, in dem Alter von 28; Johren, 6 Monaten und/ 13 >Tagen. > > Thanks. > > Julie Sones Molek > Denkmal für = monument for eine geborne Klein = a born Klein (maiden name) und ehjegattin des = and spouse or wife of (don't know where the "j" came from!) in dem Alter von = in the old age of 28 years - 6 months - 13 days Some words to look for on these PA-German stones are forms of: geborne = birth or born ehegattin = spouse, this is feminine! (also (ehe)frau, wife, or (ehe)mann, husband) starb = death or died ruhe = rest (i.e. hier ruhet gebeine, here rest the bones) tochter = daughter sohn = son Hope this helps! -Linnea ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?

Sender: QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by dub-img-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.7) with ESMTP id EAA23840; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 04:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA14362; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:43:05 -0700 (PDT) From: JYoung6180@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 04:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971015163825_1599605624@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: treadway@netins.net cc: janiceaf@ix.netcom.com, jts@mwt.net, PENNA-DUTCH-L@rootsweb.com, PENNSYLVANIA-ROOTS-L@listserv.indiana.edu, QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: GINDER/TOMBSTONE INSCRIPTION Resent-Message-ID: <"DV6QRB.A.IyC.-FdR0"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> Resent-From: QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1958 X-Loop: QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com In a message dated 97-10-15 14:08:26 EDT, treadway@netins.net writes: > > I'm not sure what this means. Aren't all nouns capitalized in German? if > so, capitalization does not imply (as it does in English) that this is a > proper noun. Dan, I certainly don't hold myself up to be any sort of expert in the German language or in German tombstone reading--although I have seen more than my share of old German stones in Pennsylvania cemeteries. I will quote the original inscription as was shown in the original message: "Denkmal/fur (double dots above u)/Sara Ginder,/ eine geborne Klein/ und Ehjegattin des/ Johannes Ginder;/geboren den 19 Januar/ 1806, starb den 2 August/ 1834, in dem Alter von 28; Johren, 6 Monaten und/ 13 Tagen." The line in question translates "one" (who was) "born Klein" (which could also be little). I think it is clear in this instance--as on many other stones I have seen--that the maiden name, and not the descriptive term, is what is being referred to. Joan Myers Young

Subscribe to: PENNA-DUTCH-L-request@rootsweb.com My telephone # is (610)678-5161 Adress is: 2115 Noble St. West Lawn, PA19609. copied Faust info back to immigrant & back more generations for you, was going to send them to you but I didn't hear from you or have your address. So glad to hear from you. Was going to Germany in December to see Christmas Markets but enough people did not sign up, hope to go in March or April. Should I ask Rod to resubscribe you to PENNA-DUTCH List? Sylvia

Carl Fulker - Vol.1 - page 143 Johannes Fulker - Vol. 1 - pages 79,81,83. These are the only 2 listed, Carl Fulker - age 23 - Ship Hope Gallery 1734. Johannes Fulker - age 58 - Ship Pink Plaisance 1732. I have these books, do you want rest of pages. Sylvia beatagoose@aol.com

Seeking parents, siblings, any information regarding George KREISHER who married Elizabeth Hughes 3 Dec 1809 in Trinity Lutheran Church in Reading, Berks County. Ken Kreisher

PENNA-DUTCH-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: in a previous post to this list rod wrote, > > gary, > > i'm weak on rush info. there were Rush and resh people in the pequa area of > lancaster county early on. My mary Rush m. jacob groff was a possible son of > John Rush m. Fannie Huber. > I assume you mean daughter? Thanks for the reply; please keep me in mind if you happen to uncover anything on the Catherine (Resh) Rush/John George Crouthamel family or ancestry. > re:groff-I'm a quint+ Groff and that line is much documented. you probably > already have the following: > > BUC-A422 jacob S. groff nov 5 1836 m. 4 oct 1856 anna altderfer b. [snip] Thank you muchly for the details on these folks. I had the basic framework for these relationships but was lacking some of the details. Gary PS, I didn't manage you get your email address. I would rather communicate with you directly than via the PENNA-DUTCH list. -- Gary Anderson (mailto:gandrsn@ocean.st.usm.edu) http://tidepool.st.usm.edu/gandrsn/gandrsn.html ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visited the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html