After listening to all children this evening threatening to Trick or Treat, I can only wonder what happened to "help the poor?" Is/was this second phrase one used by post depression babies (me?) in the Midwest or are there no poor people any more? Just curious. Lurking in Livonia ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

Have you checked the Stober/Stover homepage at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/8220/index.html#mainpage Chuck Bush wrote: > Looking for parents and siblings or any other information on Catherine > STOVER and her family.

Hello, I am looking for information on several of my ancestors who I've been told were Pennsylvania Dutch. I hope that someone can help me. Any information would be greatly appreciated. I have William FREED b Nov 14, 1844 in Pottsville, PA, d Apr 12, 1923 in Kansas City, MO. He married Catherine Elizabeth GESSLEY on Aug 26, 1866 in Pottsville, PA. Catherine was b Dec 7, 1846 in Orwigsburg, PA, and d Aug 5, 1900 in Kansas City, MO. They had the following children: Riah Jane, Anna Lusia, Ida Acoria, Emma Darling, Mary Cristenia, Dora Alice, Francis Hilery, Lucy Elen, Henry Daniel, Essie Bell, Stella Bay, and James Andrew. William's father was Daniel FREED b 1811 in PA, date and place of death unknown. I don't know his wife's name or have any dates for her. Their children were Cristan, Henry, Maria, William, Emma and Arthur. Catherine's father was Daniel GESSLEY b Aug 1822 in PA, d 1910 in Jackson Co., MO. He married Mariah YEAGER b 1823 in PA, d 1892 in Boonesboro, MO. They had the following children: Sarah, Catherine, John, Mary M., Emma, Daniel Irving, George W., and Charles H. Daniel's father was John GESSLEY b 1789 in Wittenburg, Germany, date and place of death unknown. He married Elizabeth (maiden name unknown). She was b 1795 in PA, date and place of death unknown. They had the following children: Daniel, Charles, Henry, Soloman Everhart, Gottlieb, and Elizabeth. I look forward to hearing from you. I am glad to share what information I have with others. Thank you. Janice

Synder - are you sure letters were not transposed? Sylvia

Schneider is the German spelling which means Taylor. Snyder is the English version of Snyder. If your Snyder immigrants were Germanic it was Schneider before they came over. Remember the Ships were English and quite a few names were on the ship lists were anglicized by the Englishmen. Dictionary of German Names by Hans Bahlow. Schneider: (tailor), Schneider(s) (Rhine area.) Here in Berks Co., PA. both spellings are used for the Germanic Ancestory, I find it in my family. Sylvia Ann Moyer Graybill All direct Ancestors on Sylvia's side are in Berks County. Early there is Montgomery Co.; Northampton Co.; Lehigh Co.; Lancaster Co.; Lebanon Co. no direct lines left Berks Co. only collateral lines left the state.

Looking for parents and siblings or any other information on Catherine STOVER and her family. She married Daniel D. KLINE abt 1813 in Rock Forge, Centre Co., PA. Daniel b. in Reading, Berks Co., PA d. 1891 They had 9 children: George W. KLINE b. bef1830 Mill Hall, Centre Co., PA d.1886 Mercer Co., PA m. Susan KEPHART in Clearfield Co., PA Daniel J. KLINE b. 1836 d. 1915 m. Sophia A. GOSS 1858 Benjamin F. KLINE b. 1838 Mill Hall, Centre Co., PA d.? m. Amanda L. GOSS John F. KLINE b. 1844 Centre Co., PA d. ? m. Sophia RADEBACH Mary Ann KLINE b. Feb. 28, 1844 Mill Hall, Centre Co., PA d. June 20, 1923 m. Vincent SMEAL Sophia KLINE b. 1849 d. 1879 m. Jesse H. SMEAL James KLINE b. 1850 d. ? Emma KLINE b. 1852 d. ? Frances KLINE b. 1853 d. ? Chuck Bush CFBush@aol.com storm_@gaffaneys.com ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM

Looking for info on Valentine HAINES b. Germany d. York Co. PA. Valentine emigrated to Chester Co. PA where he had a son Samuel HAINES Sr. b. 1811 Chester Co. PA. m. Mary BRADY about 1829 in York Co. PA. they had eight children. I am looking for anything about Valentine and the siblings and mother for Samuel Chuck Bush CFBush@aol.com storm_@gaffaneys.com

Looking for any information on Mary BRADY b. ? York Co., PA. d. Oct. 1849 in Dunbar, Clearfield Co., PA m. to Samuel HAINES Sr. in York Co., PA. b. 1811 Chester Co. PA. d. ? York Co., PA. They had eight Children as follows: Jeremiah b. Oct 27, 1831 in either Cumberland or York Co. PA and married Ester Anne RALSTON 1850 in Clearfield Co. PA. Jacob nothing known about him James b. Dec 10, 1829 in York Co. PA d. ? m. 1853 Mathilda LYTLE Samuel b. 1838 Cumberland Co. PA d. Salisbury Prison NC (civil war) m. Sarah DIXON Mary b. 1834 Cumberland Co. PA d. Clearfield Co. PA m. John HUDSON Elizabeth b. 1843 Cumberland Co. d. 1858 in Clearfield Co. PA Adaline b. 1845 Cumberland Co. PA d. Cameron Co. PA m. ? DIXON Isaiah b. Oct 15, 1840 York Co. PA d. Feb 19, 1909 Clearfield Co. PA m. Malinda RICHARDS 1865. Chuck Bush CFBush@aol.com storm_@gaffaneys.com

I want to thank all who responded, and there were a lot of you, to my question about the Penna German church records on CD's. There seems to be some difference of opinion as to whether they are worth having, but a number of people who do have them looked for my Penrose FRANK and there is unanimous agreement that he is not there, nor is he on the Vital Statistics CD's that some of you also have and went far beyond the call and also looked for him on those. So I really appreciate this and I will not be buying them in the near future. It looks as if I may have to get down to some serious work and look for him in the census. And look harder for his wife, Mary E. SCHULTZ, b 1849. She is supposed to have had a brother named William SCHULTZ who was a doctor; if this is true he must have left a paper trail. Anyone know of such a person? It may have been spelled SHULTZ. I suppose he was born in the 1840s or 1850s, somewhere down there in Dauphin or Lancaster or Berks or who knows counties. He also ended up in Erie. -- jan <janiceaf@ix.netcom.com> Researching names: FRANK, KELLER, LUPHER/LUPFER, PENROSE, SCHULTZ, TAYLOR ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

In a message dated 97-10-28 05:17:53 EST, you write: << I usually order the Military record first... then the pension record (if he lived that long)... Good Luck! EllieSS@aol.com >> He did not have to live at all. After his death his widow or even his parents could apply for a pension. MarilynT ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

In a message dated 97-10-28 05:17:53 EST, you write: << Looking for any information on John Wirt(Wirth) and Harriet Hoffman, married July4, 1843 at Falkner Swamp Lutheran Church, New Hanover Twn, Montgomery Co. Pa. I am looking for where in Penn they were born, where they lived after they married until they moved to Michigan in 1854. Susan Wirth Carlson >> I have this book and will do lookups. MarilynT ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Abbreviations---PD=Pennsylvania Dutch, PMH=Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage magazine, MFH=Mennonite family History magazine, MRJ=Mennonite Research Journal, LMHS=Lancaster Mennonite Hist. Society. This and more list info at: http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

Hello there! I wonder if someone can send me the address and the phone number for these 2 churches. One is in Souderton, the other in the Franconia Township. I am in WI and I have no idea what area code I'll need or what the town would be that the Franconia church would be under. Looking for Little Zion Indianfield Church in Franconia Township..it used to be called Indianfield Lutheran Church. It would also help if I could get the Pastor's names, but if not, that's ok...would be happy with addresses and phone numbers. The other church would be Emmanuel Lutheran, on W. Broad St. in Souderton. Thank you very much for your help...this will help me locate church record's on my gggg grandparent's...so any help is deeply appreciated. Everyone have a GREAT day! Wendy Knoll

In a message dated 97-10-25 19:26:47 EDT, you write: << Volume I of Pennsylvania German Pioneers by Strassburger and Hinke, >> Is this publication available for purchase anywhere? Jane >> Jane (and all) I have a set and will do look-ups. MarilynT Researching: BINDER, ECKERT, ERNE, ESHELMAN, FORNEY, GROFF, GUTHARDT, JACK(s), KRICK, LINSENBIGLER, REMP, RUFFENER, SCHLONECKER, SMITH/SCHMIDT, SPOHN, STEFFY, STOUDEN, WAGNER, WHITEHEAD, CARPENTER/ZIMMERMAN.

Marriages: Keim: George, Reading to Molly May - 3 Feb.1799 - Rev. Phillip Pauli Keim: Johannes, Oley to Susanna Weidner -8 Aug.1782-Rev. Wm. Boos Keim: Anna Maria to MatthiasHaett, Oley-24 Jan. 1891-Rev. Wm. Boos. Keim: Heinrich, Oley to Christina Holtzshuh- 27 Sep 1785- Rev. Wm. Boos Keim: Catharine to Johannes Langbein, Oley - 1 Sep 1891- Rev. Wm. Boos. Keim: Catharine to Johannes Mueller, Oley-21 May 1793 - Rev. Wm. Boos. Keim: Elizabeth to Isaac Weitner, Oley - 18 Jan. 1785 - Rev. Wm. Boos Keim: Maria to David Shall, Earl Twp. -17 May 1785- Rev. Wm. Boos. Keim: Elizabeth to John Ermol, Douglas - 4 Dec. 1798 - Rev. Wm. Boos. Keim: Elizabeth to George Holtzshuh, District-1April 1784 - Rev. Wm. Boos Keim: Jacob - Bern to Anna Maria Hahn - 23 Nov 1790 - Rev. Wm. Boos Keim: Susanna to Georg Eister, District Twp.- 13 May 1794 - Rev. Wm. Boos. Keim(in): Esther to Hennerich Schlegel - 23 Sep 1800 - Rev. Daniel Lehman. Christ Luthern Church, Stouchburg: Keim: Peter to Elizabeth Meier - 9 May 1786, Keim's below all from Maidencreek are my line. Keim: Elizabeth, to Herman Unger, Maidencreek - 29 Sep 1781- Rev. Wm. Boos Keim: Christina to Shais Tamson, Maidencreek - 24 Oct. 1790- Rev. Wm. Boos. Keim:: Johannes, Maidencreek to Maria Frantz - 24 June 1790 - Rev. Wm. Boos Keim: Valentine, Maidencreek to Magdalena Faust- 2 Sep 1788 - Rev. Wm. Boos (This is Valentine's second marriage. His first marriage was to Maria Delaplanck, mother of all his children.He is the immigrant to my line & my 6th GGrandfather.) Keim: Magdalena to Stepfanus Berndt, Maidencreek - 14 Aug. 1786-Rev. Wm. Boos St. Gabriel's Episcopal Church, Douglasville: Keim:Katharine, Maidencreek to Valentine Schmeck, Alsace - 30 Jan 1770 Keim: Maria, Maidencreek to Nicholas Ming(Mengel) - 23 Nov. 1772 ( Maria is Valentine's daughter and my 5th GGrandmother) Sylvia

I am sending via E-mail, information from my many records, I was just sending to Strasser List, just started sending to Keim List, and thought while I have the books out I should send to all my Name Lists. Since I type all by hand, I'm not a fast typist, be patient. I will send as fast as I can. I will start the Lists with "The Reading Adler" Deaths - 1797 to 1824. I will send all to the PENNA-DUTCH LIST, since they are all PENNA-DUTCH names. Sylvia Ann Moyer Graybill P.S.I have lived in Berks County all my life. I will also put other names on the PENNA-DUTCH LIST other names I know subscribers are looking for. These "Reading Adler" German Newspapers of Reading, PA. Covers Berks Co. and sometimes other counties or States if the deceased lived in Berks Co. at one time or has relatives in Berks Co. at the time the deceased passed away. Bear in mind that these "Obits" are from a "German Language Newspaper" therefore many names retain their "German Spelling". The "Reading Adler Obits" will cover from 1797 to 1884. I have the years in these notebooks: 1797 to 1824; 1825 to 1850; 1860 to 1870; 1868 to 1876; and 1877 to 1884. Will present one book at a time. ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html

Reading Adler was a German Speaking Newspaper printed in Reading, Berks County, PA. Keim: Benneville, P. 99; Johann, P.84; Nicholas. P. 4; Sarah, P. 99. 1. Keim: Died on the 23rd inst. Mr. Nicholas Keim, father of John Keim, merchant of this city, in his 84th yr. Mr. Keim was born in Oley Twp., Berks Co. "Reading Adler", Tuesday, 8 - 31 - 1802. 2. Keim: Died very suddenly last Wednesday, Johann Keim, a well known merchant of this city, aged 69 yrs. 7mos. & some days. "Reading Adler" , Tuesday, 2 - 16 - 1819. 3. Keim: Died last Thursday, Sarah Keim about 2 yrs. old and last Friday, Benneville Keim, about 4 yrs. old, both children of Mr. George D.B. Keim of Reading. "Reading Adler" , Tuesday, 6-6-1820. Next 1825 to 1850. Sylvia

Oct. 7th(Tuesday) the Archives in Prothonatary opened in the Berks County Courthouse, Reading, Pennsylvania. Every Tuesday I volunteer, this was the 3rd. Tuesday. I help the Patrons, but at the same time I aquainting myself w/ the records. Each Tuesday I have found something of value, since all my direct lines & my husband's mothers direct line stayed in Berks County, I can find quite a few things. Last week I found Douglas (My husband) GGrandfather & GGGRanfather(father & son) were in a baroom brawl in a bar on Penn St., Reading. This week I found my 3rd Great Granparents were divorced in 1881. The 1880 census he was living w/ a son & she was living alone, I thought they just lived apart. They were about 56 years old when divorced. She died around 1885, he remarried and had a son in 1896, he was 70 years old. There is an interesting index to Appearances, it is called: Divorces, Restraints, Lunatics, Drunkards. These start 1884 to I know we have in Archives to 1950's. We have records starting 1766. I am just learning myself, but if you had people in Berks Co. come to visit us, it is fun going through these old Books. Do not ask me to lookup anything, I just don't have time. Sylvia Ann Moyer Graybill ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?

Hello lists, I am attempting to co-author a book on this SURBER family. The Surber family originated in Canton Zurich. Heinrich Surber, age 50, wife Hannah/Kleinanna, son Heinrich, age 15, and daughter Verena, age 5, came to Philadelphia in 1735 aboard the ship Mercury. There is no further mention of Hannah/Kleinaa after the arrival. Verena may or may not have stayed in Pennsylvania, while father Henry and son Henry made their way to Old Frederick County (Shenandoah area), Virginia by 1752-54. From there, the family spread southwestward up the Valley, then over westward. My particular line went to Kentucky in the early 1810s, and then on to West Texas in 1870. The earliest generations tended to marry within the same Swiss German group coming from Pennsylvania to Virginia. We are trying to completely cover five generations down from the son Henry SURBER (baptised 8 Jan 1718 in Steinmaur, Dielsdorf District, Canton Zurich; died ca 1795 in Botetourt County, Virginia; wife unknown). The sixth generation includes living persons, so we will stop at five generations. We have lots of information to share about this family and the families which married into it. The easiest thing would be for anyone to ask me questions about them. I will attempt as complete an answer as possible. From your questions and any follow-up conversations, I can hopefully tell where you are in your research and what information you may have that I may need. I can post some of the associated family names if anyone wishes. If I have corresponded with anyone in the past about this line, hopefully I have discovered more information since then, so please don't hesitate to re-ask any questions. And, if I don't answer right away, keep after me! Thank YOU, Rick - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - John Richard (Rick) Carpenter, Jr. Sam Houston Press, Sam Houston State University 409.294.1856 Huntsville TX 77341-2326 gra_jrc@shsu.edu

Since I returned from a short vacation and turned my PD mail back on I haven't seen any PD notes. Am I the only one? Pat in Fort Wayne ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visited the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html

I downloaded that shareware language translation program that someone posted a message about the other day. You know, for someone who didn't know a language it might be helpful. It's only $15 and translates German, French, Swedish and two other languages back and forth to English. The translations are crude; you really wouldn't want to write a letter to someone with it and expect them to understand what you were writing about, but if you had an old document in a foreign language and ran it through the translator, you'd get a rough idea about what it was about. I did this with a letter that I had written in German, and translated it back into English. There were quite a few words it couldn't translate (could this be my choice of archiaic words from my 30 year old German dictionary ;-) ) and for some words it used different meanings than what I had intended, but you could get the general sense of what I had written to my cousin. For $15 it wasn't bad for what you got and could be a real help for those with no high school language education, particularly if you had to translate words from one of the less common languages like Swedish or Danish. And as I write this, I'm at a computer at work on a break and the program is at home, so I'm blanking on the name and URL. If anybody was interested, let me know and I'll post the URL to the group. Hope this is close enough to be on topic Rod - I think it will be a help for some readers. Bob Lamparter Selinsgrove, PA Interested in the surname LAMPARTER anywhere.