Hello' I'm still looking for my gggrandmother. Is there anyone else out there with the surname SHAVER in their data base.ALL help is appreciated. Thank you, Donna Margaret Agnes SHAVER B: 1840-1850 ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM
Hello' I'm still looking for my gggrandmother. Is there anyone else out there with the surname SHAVER in their data base.ALL help is appreciated. Thank you, Donna Margaret Agnae SHAVER B: 1840-1850 ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM
That was a wonderful way to end edition #217. It's going to have me smiling all night! Thanks so much for passing it along! Chuckling in Connecticut, Susan ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== We get too soon old and too late smart!
Kuhn: Rev. John Casper Stoever: 1. John Jacob Kuhn to Lucia Roht - New Goschenhoppen, 25 March 1734. 2. Rosina Magdalena Kuhn, nr. York, d/o Benj. by 2nd marriage to Samuel Detweiler , Northkill in Tulpehocken, oldest s/o Melchior.- 28 May 1767. . Rev. Carl Friedrich Wildbahn: 1.Doctor John Kuhn, Reading to Susanna Jones, Heidelberg - 13 Dec. 1787. 2. Catharina Kuhn, Reading 3rd d/o Friedrich,dec'd. to Friedrich Strohecker, Reading, 3rd s/o Gottlieb - 11 June 1792. Rev. William Boos: 1. Susanna Kuehn to Robert Hamilton, Reading - 30 April 1781. 2. Andreas Kuhn, District to Maria Hartmann - 18 Oct. 1785. 3. Conrad Kuhn, Douglas to Christina Sheweinhard - 27 March 1787. 4. Maria Elisabetha Kuhn to Edward Frill, Amity - 27 Oct. 1787, 5. Catharine Kuhn to Adam Gereth, Alsace - 26 May 1789. 6. Henrich Kuhn, Districh to Sara Lang - 14 May 1793. 7. Mary Kuns to John Levis, Robeson - 22 April 1795. Chrch Records in Berks County, Marriages 1730 to 1800. These include the following Churches: 1. Christ Luthern, Stouchburg, Marion Twp. 2. Christ(Little Tulpehocken) Luthern Church, Jefferson Twp. 3. Christ (Mertz) Luthern Church, Rockland Twp. 4. Most Blessed Sacrament Roman Catholic Church, Bally, Washington Twp. 5. New Bethel (Zion) Luthern Church, Grimville, Greenwich Twp. 6. St. Gabriel's Episcopal Church, Douglassville, Douglass Twp. 7. St. Joseph's(Hill) Church, Pike Twp. 8. St. Paul's Union Church, Amityville, Amity Twp. 9. Trinity Tulpehocken Reformed Church, Tulpehocken Twp.(Now in Jackson Twp. Lebanon County, sister church to Christ Luthern, Stouchburg. 10. Zion (Moselm) Luthern Church, Richmond Twp. Sylvia ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== We get too soon old and too late smart!
Me, again! Standing on my feet in front of the computer and, frankly, just ignoring all the aches and pains. There has been something that has been on my mind for a number of years regarding Grandma's little white cap. What little white cap? You know, the sort of a little ruffled cap perched on the back of the head and tied under the chin that the old(?) Mennonites wore. But here's the thing of it. Grandma wasn't a Mennonite. OK, here's the situation. Grandma was Katherine (ESHELMAN) BRYAN. Her parents were John ESHELMAN and Veronica/Fanny (__?__). Katherine was born in 1831 near Mastersonville, Mt. Joy(?) Twp., Lancaster Co. She descended from the Swiss immigrant Heinrich ESHELMAN (b 1707) and his wife Barbara KINDIG. The ESHELMAN family was certainly Mennonite (or Dunkards). However, by the time she married Edward BRYAN in 1852 it appears that she had become a Lutheran and in 1862 she was baptized as an adult in the Christ Evangelical Church in Elizabethtown, Lancaster Co. Well, to me it doesn't seem that she strayed ALL that far from the Mennonite faith. But here's what has been on my mind. I have a photograph (or a sketch) of her in her later years and there she is with that little white Mennonite cap on. Granted, she may have continued to wear it out of habit or because most of the local women wore such a cap. But I guess my REAL question over these years is was she EXCOMMUNICATED by the Mennonite Church because she married a Lutheran? Did she wear it because she was still a Mennonite at heart and refused to give up the Mennonite ways? And I guess the bottom line is--IF she had been excommunicated by the Mennonite Church, how did she feel about being officially severed from her church roots. In the eyes of the Mennonite Church and the Lutheran Church in those days, how did they view her and--in her own eyes--, how did she view herself in regard to her own personal beliefs in God? One thing is for certain. On my living room wall Katherine Eshelman Bryan still stares down at me with her little wire-rimmed glasses perched on her nose and with her hair, parted in the middle, pulled back underneath her little white cap. But do you know what? When I checked on that picture this very minute, I noticed a little sparkle in her eye that I had never seen before!! Now, I wonder how I could have ever overlooked such a twinkle!! vee ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Forgot how to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the appropriate one word message to PENNA-DUTCH-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM
My cousin in Germany has been trying to reach Harold Smeltzer at: hsmltzr@ascworld.net This address is incorrect. Does anyone have a current address? TIA Dan Daniel Gensemer REINHOLD III Clinton Computer Consultants RR 4 Box 45 Mill Hall, PA 17751-9622 Voice phone (717) 748-3201 Internet dreinhol@cub.kcnet.org Web page http://cub.kcnet.org/~millplay/ Genealogical Surname Searching: REINHOLD, Lancaster County. PA, 1752 - now also variants REINOEL, REINHOLT, REINHOLDT, REINWALD AMWEG, WENGER, WALTER, GENSEMER, Lancaster County, PA, 1700s MUSSER, GLISSEN, - SE PA. 1840 - now MACK, MOCK,- NE PA, 1880 - now Shake any family tree and a few nuts will fall. ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== We get too soon old and too late smart!
My ggggm, Catherine Hammaker, and my ggggf, Jacob White, came from Perry Co. PA to IL in early 1800's. Need to narrow down to which Hammaker. Any clues or ideas? Thanks to any/all. Ginger Jones Wilson ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ====
From Prothonotary Archives: Execution Docket - 1766: Bid. #11 Valentine Keim vs. Michael Pobst for 30 Shillings costs 3u 7u 6 Paid before court. Sept 7, 1766: 5th - E. Biddle . Nicolas Keim vs David Schreck $13-2-8 Costs 2-11-3 Execution Docket: 1766 -1960 w/ index. This docket records proceedings by which money is collected according to the judgement of the court. Information given includes date of essuance of writ, court term and case number, names of parties, amount of judgement, date of rturn and satisfaction. I have a copy of original document. Best way I could type monies. Sylvia ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?
Searching for any SWANGER/SCHWANGER descendants that come from JACOB SCHWANGER's line, (immigrant 1747) from Alsace-Lorraine.... Please forward to: EllieSS@aol.com ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Visit other PDL listmember webpages. Links are Located at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlurl.html
At 11:31 PM 11/4/97 -0500, Lorena Eaker wrote: >Good Evening Folks: > Can anyone identify the PAULUS ANTONI age 22 on this ship? It is >suspected he is from Alsace and perhaps associated with the Bernhart >KLEIN/CLINE family before their emigration. The Cline's origins are >identified as being from Hirschland Lutheran KB and the families were >associated in PA before moving on to NC. Annette Burgert has identified >several members of the Klien/Cline family in Alsace to >PA some of which we have identified West of the Catawba River in NC as early >as 1751 This family is also related to the Hartzell/Hartsell family. If you are not aware of the mailing list, perhaps you should subscribe. Some of the Hartzells moved to NC, then I believe back to western PA, then back to NC again. I will put you in touch with another gentleman working some of these families, and post this message over on the Hartzell list. ====================================================================== Geoff Crawford Phone: (973) 627 - 0307 Innovative Client Servers FAX: (973) 627 - 0634 24 Dogwood Drive Email: geoff@innov8cs.com Denville NJ 07834 Web: http://www.innov8cs.com ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== New? Looking for a quick connection? Visit the surnames list associated with this mail list at http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pdlsurnames.html
Seeking parents, siblings, any information about George KREISHER and Elizabeth HUGHES who married 3 December 1809 in Trinity Lutheran Church, Reading, Berks County. Can trade info re descendants of their oldest son Henry who migrated to Ohio and Indiana. Ken Kreisher ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visited the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html
Seeking information on Duvald KALTREIDER, born in Germany, who married Elizabeth Catherine ???, and was the father of Catherine KALTREIDER, born September 13, 1762, died April 15, 1815 in York Co., PA. Catherine KALTREIDER married George PETRY circa 1785. Travis LeMaster
x-no-archive: yes Hello, FYI. Recently had a problem with someone posting a private email to a list. The man who did this insisted he had the right to do whatever he pleased with an email sent to him. This is not only considered improper by most people but according to copyright laws, illegal. Since 1989, any written material created privately and originally is considered copyrighted whether or not the person specifically says it. The writer is the sole owner and no one has the right to reprint or repost the article without permission. This applies to private emails. Just because a letter was sent to you, it does not give you any rights to it. (This is akin to receiving a magazine in the mail and then posting it on the net.) I think most people would take it as common courtesy to ask permission first. But to those who feel they own it if it was sent to them, think again. The man who did was removed from that list! There are several sites on the net where copyright laws are explained. Here is one : http://www.pitt.edu/~skvarka/education/copyright/ ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Have you visited the webpage associated with this mail list? If not go to http://members.aol.com/PennaDutch/pennadutch.html
Hello, I have a reference to a marriage of Johann Wilhelm BOETKER to Anna Veronica SORBER, 7 Dec 1760 in the Germantown Reformed Church, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Does anyone have any further information on either of these two individuals? I think that Anna Veronica may be the Verena SURBER (born ca 1730) listed as being "qualified as usual" on 29 May 1735 with her brother Henry and father Henry. The mother Hannah/Kleinanna was listed as a passenger, but no further mention of her has ever been found after arrival. They arrived in Philadelphia on 8 May 1735 aboard the ship Mercury. They were from Steinmaur, Dielsdorf District, Canton Zu"rich, Switzerland. Father Henry died in old Frederick County (the area that is now Shenandoah County), Virginia in 1754. Son Henry's children were all born in Germantown, but he and family moved to Virginia by about 1752. Verena/Anna Veronica could have: 1. gone back to Germantown to marry, 2. stayed in Germantown when her family left -- she was 22 in 1752 (but this was unlikely for a single young female), or 3. somehow have been placed when young with another family under guardianship after her mother died probably soon after arriving. Was there much travel *back and forth* between the German areas of Pennsylvania and Virginia by persons other than ministers? My Swiss German lines seem to have left Pennsylvania en masse for the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia by the 1750s. In the earliest generations, my Swiss Germans tended to marry only other Swiss Germans. Thanks, Rick - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - John Richard (Rick) Carpenter, Jr. Sam Houston Press, Sam Houston State University 409.294.1856 Huntsville TX 77341-2326 gra_jrc@shsu.edu ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== We get too soon old and too late smart!
PETER KLOP appears to be the PETER KLOB with wife Margaret who had a son George bp.29 May 1748 at Saltenreich Reformed Congregation, Lancaster Co., PA. This family appears im Lincoln Co., NC 1753 where the name is changed to CLUBB. He is suspected to be from Alsace and possible origins in Switzerland. BIEBER/BEAVER: Several members of this family on ship Lydia from Hirschland Lutheran KB in Alsace as identified by Annette Burgert. Some of this family in NC early 1750s. JACOB MANI family records can be found at Deidendorf, Butten and Keskastel Reformed Churches in Alsace. He m.25 Aug 1716 at Keskastle to Anna Maria Werli. The Mani family originates in Dotzigen, Canton Bern Switzerland but spent a number of years in Alsace. The Werli family originates at Dolen, Canton Bern, Switzerland. Jacob Mani, Jr b. 1717 at Keskastle m. ca 1739 Catharina Egger/Ecker, dau of Hans Peter Egger/Ecker and wife Veronica Gullman. The Jacob Mani, Jr. family was in Lincoln Co., NC by 1763 where the name became Mauney and Mooney. HANS PETER EGGER of Frutigen, Canton Bern Switzerland m.12 Jan 1714 Vrena/Veronica Gullmann/Gilmann bp.17 Feb 1689 Reichenbach, Canton Bern Switzerland. Daughters Barbara and Catharina appear to have been b. in CH before the family moved into Alsace by 1720 where three sons births and/or baptisms and confirmations of the five children can be found at Diemerigen, Keskastle and Diedendorf Reformed Churches. Members of this family in Lincoln Co., NC by 1751. The name became Ecker in Alsace and PA then Eaker in NC. He was listed age 40 on ship (b. 1701) but is believed to be the one b. 1689 at Adelboden Both the Jacob Mani, Jr, Family and the Hans Peter Ecker family can be found at Muddy Creek in Lancaster Co., PA prior to their move to NC. For more on these families see my book "German Speaking People West of The Catawba River in NC 1750-1800" (1994) which can be found in most major libraries. Just my good deed for the day..... Thanks, Lorena
Good Evening Folks: Can anyone identify the PAULUS ANTONI age 22 on this ship? It is suspected he is from Alsace and perhaps associated with the Bernhart KLEIN/CLINE family before their emigration. The Cline's origins are identified as being from Hirschland Lutheran KB and the families were associated in PA before moving on to NC. Annette Burgert has identified several members of the Klien/Cline family in Alsace to PA some of which we have identified West of the Catawba River in NC as early as 1751 PAULUS ANTHONI m. Veronica/Sophonica SECHLER, dau of Johannes of Northampton and Montgomery Co., PA. Some children's births are found at Falkner's Swamp Lutheran Church and Goshenhoppen all in Berks Co. Several other children's birth's unaccounted for. PHILIP ANTHONI of Northhampton Co, PA married Anna Barbara Sechler, dau of Johannes and these two families appear West of the Catawba River in NC in 1760s. They appear to be brothers and having married sisters. Philip is not found on a ships list. Perhaps under 16. There was another unidentified brother who had at least one son, Philip, whom Paulus reared, who was a RW Pensioner and says he was reared by his uncle. There was a Johannes Anthoni, age 32, on the next ship (St. Andrew) into port who is suspected to be the missing brother. Can anyone identify these families? A Paulus Anthony was on ship Brigantine 1736 which was identified by Annette Burgert in the Langensoultzbach Lutheran KB as son of Adam and having married Maria Ursula Sadler and lived in NJ. There is no known connection between these two Paulus Anthonys. Researchers have failed to identify the Anthony origins among the several families from Alsace who were on the ship Lydia. Watch for a later post on other families... Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks much, Lorena
Dear, dear Group, Because of your recent loving messages about my "tush" problem, I just wanted to let you know that in spite of it all, there is just no way that I can help wanting to share a few giggles with you. I had written this story this past summer and had shared it with only a few of you. It was a "sequel" to a story that I had just written then regarding an exciting day that I had "digging" up information in our local cemeteries for a descendant of one of our pioneer families. I offer it in grateful thanks for your concerns for me: THE SUGAR ANT To those of you who responded so generously today to my original posting, I thought I would share this bit of observation I made only yesterday (Sunday) after my Fridays adventures in the cemeteries. You see, when I first set off to take the pictures of the tombstones, I knew that some of the inscriptions were worn and I wanted to take along some flour to dust over the inscriptions so that it would bring out the carvings. Well, since my flour supply is pretty low, I thought Id use powdered sugar instead--hey, I probably have a ten-year supply of it! :-D I poured a generous amount of sugar into a clean plastic margarine tub, clamped the lid on it and off I went. Well, when I tried to apply the sugar onto the tombstone with a dry sponge, it just wouldnt stick and so, at least, I learned a lesson there. Flour works, powdered sugar doesnt. By the time I clamped the lid back onto the sugar container, I noticed an ant had already discovered the sugar treasure. Oh, well, let him be--I was going to have to throw out the sugar anyway. Well, it wasnt until yesterday that I got around to throwing out the sugar. When I removed the lid, I noticed that the ant was still there; however, he was dead. Now, what did he die of? Suffocation? Old age? Homesickness? Or did he die the way he always dreamed of--in a vast wonderful white world of delicious SUGAR?? Before I emptied the contents into the waste basket, I took a closer look at the ant and do you know what I saw? He had a great big smile on his face and a white mustache of pure powdered sugar on his upper lip! It was if he had died thinking, What a way to go!! Vee L. Housman The Groaning One!! ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== Haven't found a post of interest? Why not generate one of your own?
Kraemer: Rev. John Casper Stoever: 1. Frederick Kraemer to Anna Marie Merckling-Moselm, 10 Dec. 1745 2. Johannes Kraemer to Anna Margaretha Gebhardt - Bethel, 19 Dec. 1762. Rev. Carl Friedrich Wildbahn: 1. Jonas Kraemer of the Hanauera/ a stock weaver to Catharina Schaber, youngest d/o Andreas. Rev. Daniel Lehman: 1. Elisabeth Kraemer(in), Greenwich to Martin Kissling, Bern - 14 Dec. 1779. 2. Elisabeth Kreamer to Peter Wildrant - 6 Jan. 1798. Rev. William Boos: 1.Susanna Kraemer to Abraham Phillipi, Reading - 25 Dec 1787. Church Records: Zion (Moselm) Luthern Church, Richmond Twp., Berks Co., : 1. Joh. Friedrich Kraemer, s/o Sebald to Anna Mary Merklin (Merkle), d/o Christian - 11 Dec. 1745. 2. Gotfried Kraemer, s/o Sebalt to Hannah Martha Hill, d/o the Pious Jacob Hill, dec'd. (My line, Joan Young .this goes into the Lesher's) - 20 April 1747. Christ Luthern Church, Stouchburg, Marion Twp., Berks Co. 1. Joh. Jacob Kramer s/o Andrew to Maria Catharine Muench, d/o George, Bethel - 29 Dec. 1772. 2. Daniel Kramer to Anna Margartha Kerns - 11 July 1784. 3. William Kramer s/o George to Catharine Christ d/o George - 14 Dec. 1790. 4. Elisabeth Kramer to Joh. George Gebhardt - 19 Nov. 1793. 5. Joh. George Kramer to Elisabeth Schubert - 16 Dec. 1794. 6. Jacob Kramer to Catharine Giessler - 21 Oct. 1800. Most Blessed Sacrament Roman Catholic Church, Bally, Washington Twp., Berks County. 1.Joseph Kramer s/o Mathias to Veronica Egg, d/o John & Magdalen.- 5 Nov. 1799. 2. Elisabeth Kramer to Leonard Bock - 2 June 1787. 3. Juliana Kremers to Francis ILien(capital i small, lien) - 7 July 1789. New Bethel(Zion) Luthern Church, Grimsville, Berks. Co.: 1. Catharine Kramer to Johannes Schmit - 10 May 1796. 2. Eva Kramer to Daniel Leidig - 10 May 1796. 3. George Kramer to Catharine Witt - 2 July 1797. Gotfried & Hannah's daughter Catharine marries Joh. Carl (Charles) Heffle. (Joan Young , this goes into the Lesher's) More Later. Sylvia Ann Moyer Graybill ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== We get too soon old and too late smart!
As you all know I am Volunteering at Prothonotary every Tuesday, today I have off , Boy! am I glad, as I have much info from Berks Co. to put on Email for all my many lists, I started this just w/ the Strasser list I believe back in August or was it July, now I expanded it to 13 name lists and I include PENNA- DUTCH list as all the names are PA Dutch. Miller and Schmidt are very large lists for Berks Co. & they are 2 of my many names. I think I opened a can of worms ,because people are asking me to look for their names both in Prothonotary & Berks Co. books, as well I am a look up person for Berks Co. GenWeb page, certain records only. I am sorry to say I cannot do any other names in Prothonotary but my own, all my name lists are names in my family or my husbands, so it goes for the books I do for my name lists.Any name you see in my post I will give you what I have on that name. I do the GenWeb lookups for 1 GIVEN name w/1 SURNAME, 1 record at a time &(See:http://www.rootsweb.com/~paberks/berks.htm) 1name only at a time,please & the lookups as stated only . Besides doing this volunteer emailing I do volunteering at the Local Family History Library every week, at the Berks County Genealogical Society as Vol. Librarian for 2 Sundays a month, as well as on the BCGS Board as Research Chair. And also for the Pastorius Center in Lehigh Co., I am Genealogist & Historian for which I have a Home Page & E-mail. As you all can see I am quite busy, but as the Doctor says this is good for me, it is not hard work physically (which I can no longer do) but it is time consuming and keeps me busy at what I can & like to do. No rocking chair for me yet. Hope everyone understands and be patient I will get to you. Sylvia
Settle = Sedele/ Settele/Setteli/Settley/Setley/Settel/Settle, this is how I found it spelled. German Minister spelled it Sedele (D's & T's are interchangeable in the German Language)in the Minister's Records: 1. Jacob Sedele, Reading to Sophia Vonderscleus (Vandersluiss) - 6 Feb. 1785. Rev. William Boos. (S/O Immigrant George Heinrich Setteli & Maria Barbara Kaepple.) 2. Anna Barbara Settelin, Reading to Nicholas Seizinger, Reading - 20 June 1780. Rev.Daniel Lehman. (D/O the Immirants & Sister to Jacob above #1.) 3. Catharina Setteli, Reading, oldest d/o Heinrich to Joseph Buetting(Bitting, Falkner Swamp, oldest s/o Joseph - 20 Oct. 1793, Rev. Carl Friedrich Wildbahn. (Doug's direct line).(Grandauhter of Immigrants & d/o oldest son of Immigrants, Heinrich.) Trinity Luthern Church in Reading has so many Settele's , I will have to do it in parts. Known as TLC herein now & future. Generation 2. 1. Christian Settele, b. bef. 1752 married Eva - had 6 children,see TLC Records. 2. Girl Settele, b. bef. 1752,(died in Germany, no record of her in TLC, Reading. 3. Heinrich Settele, b. 28 Jan. 1752 in Germany & d. 24 June 1818 in Reading, married Maria Margaret Meiser, b. 7 Feb. 1759 in Millbach, Lebanon Co., PA. & d. 23 March 1826. (Doug's Line) Had 11 children. Will post Later. 4. Otilla Margaret Settele, b. July 1754 in Reading ,d. 6 Aug. 1823 in Readind mar. Christoph Diehm b. 1754 in Germany d. 7 Sept. 1828 in Reading. They were Luthern & records can be found in TLC, which I will post later. He was a Turner by trade. Had 7 children. 5. Girl Settele , b.&d. in Reading. 6. Anna Barbara Settele, b. 10 Oct. 1759 & d. 30 Oct. 1808 at 49 yrs,3 wks. less 1 day in Reading. Married Nicholas Seitzinger, Rev. War Col.(have other marriages for him, if anyone is interested). d. 1834 in Schuylkill Co. PA. Had 10 children w/ Anna Barabra. 7. Jacob Settele, b. 28 April 1760 & d. May 1816 in Reading mar. Sophia Vadersluiss, b. 10 March 1764 d. 12 Aug. 1829 in Reading. Had 10 children. Willpost later. 8. Elizabeth Settele b. abt. 1761 ( can't find more on her in coputer or on family Group Sheet, will check TLC.). That is the 8 children that George Heinrich & Maria Barbra (Kaepple) Settle had. BTW: It is Hornheim, I checked w/ _GEO_ Hornheim: Part of Vahingen, county of Ludwigsburg(LB), Baden-W"urttemberg. According to my Atlas it is NW of Stuggart, approx. 20 K's. There is a Tiefenbach, nw of Hornheim & S. of Sinsheim in the Kraichgau, about 35 K's from Hornheim, in my AutoAtlas. There are many Tiefenbach's - 17 in the Atlas - in Germany. This is all for now. Sylvia & Doug P.S. hope there aren't too many typo's. ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== We get too soon old and too late smart!