Looks like they had some problems. They are not being advertised on the name servers yet. Don

Nora, If you find anything about a Johannes or John Hilbert, I'd appreciate it! These Hilberts, Father, son and grandson, lived in Oley in the mid 1700's. Thanks, Eileen

The whitesmith took the job of blacksmith to a higher level. Not necessarily in degree of skill but in attention to detail. Those 18th and early 19th century utensils made from what appears to be steel are the work of the whitesmith. He was very accomplished with a hammer and fine-toothed file and his final product has the look of stainless (think white) steel. I have heard and read two schools of thought regarding his metalurgy. Some say he worked with steel i.e., very high temperatures and carbon but others have challenged this saying most good blacksmiths could whitesmith if they wanted to take the time, pay for more efficient bellows and charcoal. Anyway, the whitesmith was so accomplished that some were gunsmiths. The gunsmith was probably the most technically competent person in colonial and frontier America. To make a long rifle or scattergun from scratch was way beyond the skill of most men.

Ann, Can you define this Michael Pfautz and Catherine Neff a little better as to their parents, etc. I hate those WFT estimates. They are so broad, they mean nothing. I do not know why they have used them in many cases, as I know that the three "trees" which I gave them had original dates and they changed many of them to their vague data. Anyway, in case you don't really have specific data on some of the people in your posting, here is something to use: Jonas Hoover was b. 1746 in Carroll Co., Md. and d. June 15, 18928 Mary Hoover m. Andrew Fouts. Catherine Hoover m. Thomas Byrne Elizabeth Hoover m. David Fouts Andrew Hoover d. Dec. 29, 1834 He m. Elizabeth Waymire in 1776 in NC Jacob Hoover d. in 1821. He m. Elizabeth Stutzman Daniel Hoover was b. 1756 and d. Feb 13, 1819. He married Hannah Mast. Rachel Hoover m. George Sinks John Hoover was b. 1760 and d. Nov 18, 1831 He m. Sarah Burket in 1784 Susannah Hoover d. Jan. 11, 1813. She m. John Mast, Jr. who was b. 1760 David Hoover d. July 1, 18451. He m. Mary "Polly" Mast Peter Hoover d. Feb. 16, 1840. He m. Elizabeth Byrne Henry Hoover d. in Wayne Co., In. He m. Elizabeth Liss Fouts ******* We don't use Jr. after David Fouts. He was b. 1743 and d. 1821 Daniel Hoover was b. Merey Spring, Carroll Co., Md. 12. John Hoover d. Nov 18, 1831, West Milton, OH Sarah Burket was b. Sept 20, 1767 and d. Dec 29, 1843 in OH. They had ten children Jesse was b. 1800 and d. Nov 15, 1856 in west Branch, IA. Rebecca Yount was b. Mar 11, 1801 in Ky and d. Sept 13, 1896 in West Branch, IA. They had nine children. Eli Hoover was the first born on Oct 6, 1820 in West Milton, Miami Co. , OH.and d. July 24, 1892 in Hubbard Co., IA. Eli married Mary Davis b. Oct 26, 1820 and d. Mar 3, 1853 in Miami Co. , OH. Dick

The only Susanna I have in my database was the daughter of Leonard Vandergrift. He was born in 1718 and died August 28, 1769. I don't know who Susanna married, but she couldn't be the Susanna who married William Hadley. They tended to beat the same names to death so I wouldn't doubt that they meet up somewhere. Do you have any more information on Susanna V. Hadley? Jean K.

Any Bruners. like mainly John Teddy

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_017B_01BE630A.76805FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These are the Pfautz I have in my data base. Same time and area. Hope it helps. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, February 27, 1999 11:57 PM Subject: [PENNA-DUTCH-L] Dewalt Pfautz >Looking for any info on Dewalt (Davit)Pfautz he was born in 1712 in Germany >and married May 27, 1743, in Hanover, PA to Cathrine Spengel. Any ingo on >this family would be great. > >ANN > > >==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== >New lists and web sites that are about the PA DUTCH >are gladly advertised here. > > ------=_NextPart_000_017B_01BE630A.76805FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; name="pfautz.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="pfautz.TXT" Descendants of Michael Pfautz - 28 Feb 1999 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ FIRST GENERATION 1. Michael Pfautz was born on 15 May 1709.1 He died on 21 Mar 1767.1 He was married to Catherine Neff WFT Est 1727-1753.1 Catherine Neff was = born in 1711.1 She died in 1789.1 Michael Pfautz and Catherine Neff = had the following children: +2 i. Margaret Catherine Pfautz. 3 ii. Sr. Fouts John was born between 1729 and 1755.1 He died WFT Est = 1735-1835.1 SECOND GENERATION 2. Margaret Catherine Pfautz was born in 1725 in Lancaster, PA.1 She = died in 1797.1 She was married to Andrew Hoover (son of Gregor Jonas Huber and Anna = Maria Kruetzer) in 1745 in Philadelphia, PA.1 Andrew Hoover was born on = 23 Jan 1723 in Ellerstadt In The Palatinate, Germany.1 He died in 1794 = in Randolph Co., NC.1 Margaret Catherine Pfautz and Andrew Hoover had = the following children: 4 i. Jonas Hoover was born in 1746.1 He died WFT Est 1747-1836.1 5 ii. Mary Hoover was born in 1747.1 She died WFT Est 1748-1841.1 6 iii. Catherine Hoover was born in 1749.1 She died WFT Est = 1750-1843.1 +7 iv. Elizabeth Hoover. 8 v. Andrew Hoover was born on 21 Sep 1752.1 He died WFT Est = 1753-1842.1 9 vi. Jacob Hoover was born in 1754.1 He died WFT Est 1755-1844.1 +10 vii. Daniel Hoover. 11 viii. Rachel Hoover was born in 1758.1 She died WFT Est 1759-1852.1 +12 ix. John Hoover. 13 x. Susannah Hoover was born in 1763.1 She died WFT Est 1764-1857.1 14 xi. David Hoover was born in 1766.1 He died WFT Est 1767-1856.1 15 xii. Peter Hoover was born in 1769.1 He died WFT Est 1770-1859.1 16 xiii. Henry Hoover was born on 25 Jul 1773.1 He died on 11 Mar 1842 = in Randolph Co., NC.1 THIRD GENERATION 7. Elizabeth Hoover was born in 1751 in ?.1 She died WFT Est 1765-1845 = in ?.1 She was married to Jr. Fouts David (son of Theobald David , Sr. Fouts = Dewald and Catrina Spengel) WFT Est 1764-1794 in ?.1 Jr. Fouts David = was born about 1745 in ?.1 He died about 1821 in Randolph Co., NC.1 10. Daniel Hoover was born in 1756 in Randolph Twp, NC.1 He died in = 1819.1 He was married to Hannah Mast (daughter of Sr. Mast John and Barbara = Harman) WFT Est 1774-1809.1 Hannah Mast was born WFT Est 1756-1786.1 = She died WFT Est 1774-1868.1 12. John Hoover was born in 1760.1 He died WFT Est 1781-1850.1 He was married to Sarah Burket WFT Est 1777-1810.1 Sarah Burket was = born WFT Est 1756-1776.1 She died WFT Est 1781-1860.1 John Hoover and = Sarah Burket had the following children: +17 i. Jesse Hoover. FOURTH GENERATION 17. Jesse Hoover was born WFT Est 1781-1810.1 He died WFT Est = 1823-1889.1 He was married to Rebecca Yount WFT Est 1802-1853.1 Rebecca Yount was = born WFT Est 1751-1802.1 She died WFT Est 1783-1883.1 Jesse Hoover and = Rebecca Yount had the following children: +18 i. Eli Hoover. He was married to Rebecca Yount WFT Est 1802-1853.1 Rebecca Yount was = born WFT Est 1751-1802.1 She died WFT Est 1783-1883.1 Jesse Hoover and = Rebecca Yount had the following children: +18 i. Eli Hoover. SOURCES 1. Br=F8derbund WFT Vol. 7, Ed. 1, Tree #3566, Date of Import: May 29, = 1997. ------=_NextPart_000_017B_01BE630A.76805FE0--

Regarding DeWalt Pfautz and Hoover families. There has been a lot of confusion on the various 18th century Pfautz immigrants. The most recent and most complete research has been done by Dr. John Scott Davenport. His work which may be accessed thru LDS formed the basis for a book By Audrey Woodruff, dealing with the family of Jacob Pfautz and wife Magdalina. It was his daughter Anna Margareta who married Andreas Hoover and were the ancestors of Pres. Herbert Hoover. According to the Woodruff book DeWalt (Theobald) Pfautz joined the Jacob Pfautz family at Perkiomen in Montgomery Co, PA.. Apparently he was close in age to Jacob Pfautz' son Michael and they became lifelong friends. Their relationship has not been determined. Theobald, (DeWalt/David) followed the family to Rowan Co NC and Feb 17,1763 obtained a deed for 292 Acres on the Uwharrie River. Deed Book 5. Mary Cassel Case

HI, Nora, I'm looking for my elusive Werners and Bitz/Bittz. Thanks much, Marie Robinson. <<<"OLEY VALLEY HERITAGE, THE COLONIAL YEARS >1700-1775" by Philip E. Pendleton.>>>

Fellow Researchers: I have just checked out the book "OLEY VALLEY HERITAGE, THE COLONIAL YEARS 1700-1775" by Philip E. Pendleton. Only to find out that it is of no use to me. The listing that I had was with out the dates and mine were all there later. If anyone would like me to look up for a surname just let me know. Nora

To All: We have updated and upgraded our Pennsylvania Dutch Genealogy Internet Email Lists section of our Pennsylvania Dutch Family History site. We have added a surname section. For those of you that admin a Pennsylvania Dutch Surname list, please send me your email list name and a short description. I will add this to the surname section. The Pennsylvania Dutch Family History Website is at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~padutch/ Thanks! Don Hartman PADUTCHgenONLY moderator PENNA-DUTCH moderator Pennsylvania Dutch Family History Website Webmaster

Hello, Thank you for your offer. Please look up RENCH, LONG, HOOVER AND NETH. Thank you very much for your time. Anne ([email protected])

Check out the Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania's New Accessions page at our web site at: http://www.libertynet.org/gspa/gspnewac.html and our new Microfilm Holdings at: http://www.libertynet.org/gspa/microfilm.htm

a whitesmith may have been a silversmith.

I have a Susanna VANDEGRIFT married William H. HADLEY 7 Oct 1880 by Reverend James Sampson at the parsonage of the M.E. Church of Avondale, Chester County, PA.� They had eight children.� Is this of any significance to you? Sam Hadley Volchek wrote: > Hello, > > I just joined the list.� Here are the surnames I'm researching.� I would > appreciate hearing from anyone who thinks we may have a connection. > > CLONINGER (KLONINGER, CLONIGER, CLONEGAR, etc.) > CLEMMER (KLEMMER, CLAYMOUR, CLYMORE, etc.) > LINEBERGER (LEINBERGER, LEYENBEGGE, LYBARGER, etc.) > VANDERGRIFF (VAN DER GRIST, VANDEGRIFT, VANDAGRIFF, etc.) > GLATTFELDER (CLODFELTER) > HOVIS > HOYLE (HEYL) > RHYNE (REIN) > RUDISILL > VANDERFORD (VANDEVEER) > WILLS (WULL) > > Jean K. > > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > Glad you are here!� Share some of your genealogy with others.

Hello, I just joined the list. Here are the surnames I'm researching. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who thinks we may have a connection. CLONINGER (KLONINGER, CLONIGER, CLONEGAR, etc.) CLEMMER (KLEMMER, CLAYMOUR, CLYMORE, etc.) LINEBERGER (LEINBERGER, LEYENBEGGE, LYBARGER, etc.) VANDERGRIFF (VAN DER GRIST, VANDEGRIFT, VANDAGRIFF, etc.) GLATTFELDER (CLODFELTER) HOVIS HOYLE (HEYL) RHYNE (REIN) RUDISILL VANDERFORD (VANDEVEER) WILLS (WULL) Jean K.

Disregard last message, i can see that the years are too early, thank you anyway.

Yes, I am interested in the Knapp family, as in a Phillip or Michael, as in the birthdated of early 1800s, about. thank you.

In a message dated 99-02-27 23:53:05 EST, you write: > Looking for any info on Dewalt (Davit)Pfautz he was born in 1712 in Germany > and married May 27, 1743, in Hanover, PA to Cathrine Spengel. Any ingo on > this family would be great. Ann, I am wondering if David Pfautz/Fautz could be the son of Hans Michel Pfautz who arrived in Phila. in 1727 on the William and Sarah. I say that because there is no other Pfautz on the ship lists early enough to be your David. In the York County Births book by Humphreys I find Dewald Fautz and wife (not given) having a child bapt. at St. Mathews Lutheran Church in Hanover, who was born 11 May 1744 (Joh. Daniel). Another entry from the same church for a birth on 11 June 1747, a child Johannes--son of Michael and wife (not given). I would guess they might both be sons of the older Michael. Joan

Looking for any info on Dewalt (Davit)Pfautz he was born in 1712 in Germany and married May 27, 1743, in Hanover, PA to Cathrine Spengel. Any ingo on this family would be great. ANN