Sorry but I had to return the book last Monday. Nora -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [PENNA-DUTCH-L] Oley, Pennsylvania >Dear Nora, > >Do you have any Otto's listed in your book? > >Thanks! > > >==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== >Welcome to our list! We are always friendly here. >

Great news... The Register of Wills/Clerk of the Orphans' Court has a web site... http://www.berksregofwills.com Indexes currently available are: Estate Records 1752-1914 some delayed Birth Recores Marriage Index (Co. of Berks) 1885-present Marriage Index (City of Reading) 1876-1884 Birth Index Death Index TRY IT YOU'LL LIKE IT.

Dear Nora, Do you have any Otto's listed in your book? Thanks!

Surnames in this document: ALLEN, BUDD, EVENSON, FRICK, GEARHART, HAMILTON, HAWLEY, LINCOLN, LOUDERBACH, LORANG, LUND, LUX, McCARTY, MILLER, O'DONNELL, PHELPS, THIERKOFF, WALKER, WASHINGTON, WOODS, YOST 96 YEAR-OLD FORMER LOCAL WOMAN RECALLS MEETING WITH LINCOLN STOCKTON RECORD (Stockton, California) December 17,1948 By Lolita Lorang Record Oakdale Correspondent Oakdale, December17, 1948 Persons now living who count among their memories a meeting with President Lincoln probably can be tallied on the fingers of two hands. One of them is 96-year-old Mrs. Charlie Hawley of Oakdale, former Stocktonian, whose friends are proud to shake the hand that shook the hand of Lincoln. She is the mother of Earle Hawley, retired Stockton postmaster now living in Santa Cruz; Walther Hawley and Alta Hamilton Thierkoff, all of Stockton and George Hawley of Oakdale district. With whom she makes her home. Mrs.. Hawley never tires of telling of her call on Lincoln with her mother in 1865 to seek permission to move her brother’s body from Gettysburg Field. Lincoln shook hands and complimented her, she admits with a quick smile. Reminiscences of Carrie Hawley includes crossing the United States in a train which resembles the San Francisco California Street cable car, and rounding up wild hogs for fattening, shipping grain by boat from near Modesto to Stockton when her husband operated a livery stable in the heart of the Stockton business district. A descendant of pioneer Americans, Mrs... Hawley declares her grandfather was a Revolutionary War soldier whose leg was frozen off during that awful winter with Washington at Valley Forge. Busy Life. This bright-eyed smiling alert lady has had an exceedingly busy life and still keeps busy making numerous quilts. She can even thread a needle without her eyeglasses and now is in the process of making a quilt for great-granddaughter Susan. No hermit despite her years, she gets around as well as anybody. Thanksgiving Day was spent attending the movies in Stockton. Born Carrie Yost in Port Carbon, Pennsylvania, on April 12, 1852 Mrs... Hawley was the twelfth child in the family. Her father died while she was quite young. Her mother remarried and another child was added to the already large family. As the home was a little crowded and financial circumstances none too good, Carrie went to live as a helper with a family by the name of Evenson, soap manufacturers. There she was accepted as one of the family and lived there until she was 18. Came to S.F. Then she came to San Francisco, bringing two children to their father. It was on this trip she rode the open-air train resembling a cable car, which made frequent stops for water. Passengers sat on chairs, sleeping when and how they could. Since that time Mrs... Hawley has been East five times by much improved methods of travel. As no funds were supplied for her return trip to Pennsylvania, San Francisco becomes her new home. The next couple of years are a deep dark secret about which Mrs... Hawley refuses to talk. However, it has come to light, that during that time she became a member of the OES, and in 1872 was married to Sylvester Alexander Hamilton. VERNALIS RANCH Mr. and Mrs... Hamilton settled down on a homestead near Vernalis. The property consisted of about 350 acres, now part of the El Solyo Ranch. There is at present a fruit-packing shed and a road in the locality bearing the name of her second husband, Hawley When Carrie was 25, Sylvester died, leaving her with the ranch and three small daughters. They are the present Alta Hamilton Thierkoff of Stockton, Veva Hamilton Allen of Los Angeles, and Sadie Hamilton Frick, now deceased. SOLD WILD HONEY As manager of a large ranch and three young daughters, the days were long and the work strenuous, but Mrs... Hamilton proved capable. She remembers that with the aid of her daughters she collected wild honey and purified it for market. Grain was delivered by wagon to Midges Landing near Modesto, where it was loaded on riverboats headed for Stockton. A good price at that time was 80 cents. In spite of her efforts to keep the ranch and family intact, the place was put up for sale at public auction. However, kind friends bid it in and turned it over to her. In later years, she and her sons paid back the debt. Mrs... Hawley also tells about Miller & Lux driving cattle by the ranch, a line sometimes 10 miles long. When an animal died by the roadside, farmers would skin it out, selling the hide. MOVES TO STOCKTON After a few years of widowhood, Mrs... Hamilton became Mrs... James W. Hawley and the family moved to Stockton, where Hawley operated a livery stable at the approximate location of the present Tiny’s Restaurant. One son, Walter, was born while the family lived in Stockton, before moving back to the ranch when the stable was sold in 1884. Some prominent names are listed in Hawley’s stable record books of October and November 1884, as patrons of the stable. Among them are John Gearhart, 125 pounds of hay, $1.25: Martin Lund, 210 pounds of hay, $2.10, and a sack of barley, $1.25; James M McCarty, Horse and buggy, $4.00, Henry Louderbach, Feeding team, 50 cents: Constable Walker, Buggy team, $6.00: Joseph O’ Donnell, hay, $1.75; James H. Budd, Buggy to Lathrop, $4.00 and horse and buggy to French Camp, $3.00; Woods & Phelps, horse for 2 days $5.00, and for a double carriage, $10.00. It was after moving back to the ranch that two more sons were born, Earle and George Hawley of Eugene, near Oakdale. While the boys were quite young, Mrs... Hawley again had to supervise the family and its finances. Her husband becomes an invalid as the result of an injury from falling tree. With the help of the boys she would round up wild hogs and fatten them for market. Another source of income was the chopping and sale of firewood. FAMILY HOME In 1913, Mrs... Hawley became a widow for the second time, the family having again moved to Stockton in about 1905. For forty years, her address was 2205 N. California Street. Her daughter, Mrs... Benjamin Thierkoff still lives next door at 2207. Along with her three sons and two living daughters, Mrs... Hawley can count 21 grand Children, 39 great grand children and 13 great great grandchildren, 78 in all. High light of the past year was her 96th birthday celebration when many friends and relatives gathered at the Rosedale Schoolhouse to wish her a happy birthday. As to future plans? She is looking forward to her 97th birthday next April and to spend another summer at Santa Cruz where she has a cottage ************** Caroline (YOST) HAMILTON, HAWLEY born: April 12, 1852 Port Carbon, PA died: June 15, 1952 Oakland, CA I am looking for Carrie's Parents I think they are Adam and Lydia YOST but at this point have nothing to substantiate it. Any help would be wonderful. Thank you Carolyn Hawley Crawford [email protected]

In a message dated 99-03-23 21:41:28 EST, you write: > Sorry I don't have more detail. Appreciate your efforts. It may be worth > my > while to chase down a 1850 census of York County and find out whose wife was > named Elizabeth Smith (assuming he was still living). Just a thought. > Don, we can keep this in mind in case we come across a connection--which I realize is a longshot with Smith! Joan

Thank you very much for the reply Joan. I regret that all I have on William is that his mother was Elizabeth and he migrated out to Carroll County in 1853. This is one of my least research ancestral lines and I just don't have much to go on. I've wondered about the possibility of connecting to a descendant who may know something. I do have the names of all 7 of their children, including my ggrandmother Mary Elizabeth Smith, and so maybe could track down a descendant or two who might know something. It's unfortunate so much time has passed with no research. my father says his aunt used to correspond with a Stouffer cousin, but nothing appears to have been saved to help with this research. Sorry I don't have more detail. Appreciate your efforts. It may be worth my while to chase down a 1850 census of York County and find out whose wife was named Elizabeth Smith (assuming he was still living). Just a thought. Best Wishes. Don Boyd

In a message dated 99-03-23 20:41:03 EST, you write: > She married William Washington Smith, b. 12 July 1830 in > York County, PA. The marriage was in 1858 in Carroll County, IL, where they > lived and raised a family of 7 children. > > I'd love to hear from any researchers with a line on either of these families. > I know that William Smith's mother was named Elizabeth because she lived with > William and Margaret in Illinois and appears in a family profile in a county > history. Don, I know this one will be a tough nut to crack--Smiths are a dime a dozen--BUT I have a Samuel Smith who probably was born about the same time (give or take a few years) in York County. I wonder if you have ANY idea as to what township your William W. Smith was from and who any of his siblings might be? I suspect but don't know for sure that my Samuel may have been from either Springfield or Shrewsbury Township. Joan Joan

Greetings, My ancestor was Margaret A. Stouffer, b. abt. 1835 in Franklin County, PA. She had a brother Peter Stouffer, and was reputedly related to the Stouffers of baked goods fame. She married William Washington Smith, b. 12 July 1830 in York County, PA. The marriage was in 1858 in Carroll County, IL, where they lived and raised a family of 7 children. I'd love to hear from any researchers with a line on either of these families. I know that William Smith's mother was named Elizabeth because she lived with William and Margaret in Illinois and appears in a family profile in a county history. That's all I have on their ancestry, and I'd really like to learn more if possible. Thanks. Don Boyd Fairborn, Ohio

Hello Group! Is there anyone out there doing research on the HAUCK family? The reason I ask is because I have come across a couple of bits that I will include below that I find to be a little strange. The reason I find this strange is because of what appears to be a relationship between the HAUCK/LORSBACH families both in Europe and in America. The connection seems like it must have been considerable since in one was LORSBACH being a Godfather for HAUCK and the other being LORSBACH being a witness for a will of HAUCK. It is the same LORSBACH but a different HAUCK. Germany, 16 Sept.1729 JOHANN CONRAD LORSBACH acted as godfather (at the age of 7) for the family of Johann Georg HAUCK. America (the exact location is unknown), 2 Feb.1756 CONRAD LORSBACH acted as a Witness to Will of Jacob HAUCK. (I would like to get a copy of this will or at the very worst a transcript or translation of this will.) Thanks for any help that any of you can offer in helping to solve this question! Bob

Part 2 from an Historical Map of the Northern portion of Fauquier County and small part of Loudoun County. Drawn by Meade Palmer from information Supplied by Curtis Chappelear, Esq. A.D. 1953 South of Loudoun County line and East of Collins Run is the Lost Mountain Area. The northeast is Deel Clyman who was leasing land from George Washington who has a Grant of 2,712 acres, 1768, in this grant John Glascock, Thos Lloyd appear west of Pantherskin Run. East of Pantherskin Run appears the Geo. Carter Grant~1731 3,312 acres touching on the Loudoun County Border. A Willam Donaldson appears within this grant. There is a border south of G Wash & G Carter "The line of the Grant to Landon Carter 1731. Following the Blue Ridge Mts. South near Hays Br of Crooked Creek there is Wm. Corder 1792 Wm Edmonds Jacob Hays Elias Wood 1759 Daniel Rout 1792 and Richard Rout 1792 these names appear along another br of what appears to be Crooked Run In the Mt Edie area there is Samuel Turner John McLenahan 1793 James Ball's Grant ~ 7,883 Acres 1731 A town Rosehill Hezekiah Turner 1770 Delaplane Manor West from there toward Apple Orchard Manor there is Lewis Grigsby 1787 Max Robinson 1787 Not much further south just topographical names Bushy Mt. Kettle Run Naked Mt. Delaplane Goose Creek Markham Red Oak Mt Little Cobbler Mt End of map to the south. I hope this helps someone. There is a bit more to the East that I will try to do another day.

They have. Check the online catalog of the Lancaster Co. (PA) Historical Soc. at http://lanclio.org Stacy Wood Kenneth Maggard wrote: > Who knows if the first two or three Lancaster County Deed Books has been > copied or abstracted? I am trying to locate a deed for Hans Maegert > (many different spellings) between 1730 and 1750. Thanks for any help. > Ken Maggard > > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > Keep those PA DUTCH traditions alive and share them with the list.

Bob, Thats my problem - Hans Maegert is not on any Swiss Emigration List. I believe he came with the Kaufmann's in 1717-1726? I am now trying to find him listed on some tax list or deeds in Lancaster County? Thanks! Ken Maggard robert efaw wrote: > Have book "Lists of Swiss Emigrants in the Eighteenth Century to the > American Colonies"' could not find your name (s). > bob e >

Who knows if the first two or three Lancaster County Deed Books has been copied or abstracted? I am trying to locate a deed for Hans Maegert (many different spellings) between 1730 and 1750. Thanks for any help. Ken Maggard

Have book "Lists of Swiss Emigrants in the Eighteenth Century to the American Colonies"' could not find your name (s). bob e

Hans Maegert came from Bern Canton, Switzerland to PA somewhere between 1717 and 1726. Hans moved to the Shenandoah Valley in VA about 174l. I am having a lot of trouble tracking Hans in PA. I believe he lived in the Lancaster County area. As you do your research, please keep a lookout for my Hans Maegert (spelled many different ways in early records. Thanks for any help or leads. Ken Maggard Marietta, GA

I have found an old cemetery with only 5 readable stones dating back to mid 1800's. There are many other stones some are just plain field stones that have been shaped by hand. Most are just field stones just the way you would pick them up and set them in the ground. The cemetery is located in an isolated area close to the border of Marion and Monongalia counties. My question; where would I go to find some information on who is buried there. I have talked to area people also several Genealogy/Historical societies they had no information. Any other suggestions. That time period would it have to be registered somewhere. It must predate the mid 1800's by quite a few years. any help appreciated bob e

In a message dated 99-03-21 14:19:54 EST, you write: > The cemetery is > located in an isolated area close to the border of Marion and > Monongalia counties. Bob, this is only one thought--but if you have access to any old newspapers on film for these areas you could scan them for articles on the cemeteries. Probably a more reliable source would be cemetery inscriptions that may have been recorded many years ago when the stones were more readable. I would have thought that the local historical societies or gen. societies would know about this though--I am surprised none mentioned this. Also, old county history books or atlases may include more than you already know about this cemetery--and how about church records if this cemetery was once connected with a church? There might be burial books. Joan

To All: You might want to check out what's new at The Pennsylvania Dutch Family History Website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~padutch/ We have added a Civil War websites section and a Privately Published Family History section. We have also added many new sites under our other sections. Take a look. You might find something useful. Thanks! Don & Jeanine Hartman FamilyHart

Sorry I posted my response about the books to the whole list. A big error. Please forgive me. Pat Kratz