I found the list that you are referring to at the following URL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~GENHOME/imm16e.htm but it doesn't say if the ship landed in Philadelphia. I found it by doing a search in infoseek for "passenger list" and then a search within that typing in "Friendship". At 08:37 AM 4/28/99 -0700, you wrote: > Would someone tell me where I could find the passenger list for the >"Friendship" that landed in Phil. >20 Sept 1738 ? > Anyone know of accounts of the voyage or where to look for this >information? > >thanks. >Ron Penninger > > >==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== >Welcome to our list! We are always friendly here. > > > __________________________________________ Nancy Early Data Analyst Center For Transportation Research at Virginia Tech 1700 Kraft Drive, Suite 2000 (030800) MC - 0536 Blacksburg, Virginia 24061 Phone: 540-231-9896 Fax: 540-231-5214 E-mail: [email protected] __________________________________________

Would someone tell me where I could find the passenger list for the "Friendship" that landed in Phil. 20 Sept 1738 ? Anyone know of accounts of the voyage or where to look for this information? thanks. Ron Penninger

In a message dated 4/28/99 11:44:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Would someone tell me where I could find the passenger list for the > "Friendship" that landed in Phil. > 20 Sept 1738 ? > Anyone know of accounts of the voyage or where to look for this > information? Hi Ron- I have the Strassburger and Hinke's Pennsylvania German Pioneers books which are the only reliable collection of ship passenger lists for 1727-1808. Is there someone I could look up for you on this ship? I also have volume II which contains actual copies of the signatures or marks made by the male passengers age 16 and over who took the oath of allegiance upon arrival in Philadelphia. I don't know of any specific record of the journey for the ship you ask about but the Strassburger and Hinke book Vol. I gives a lot of information in the introduction about the voyages of that time period. 1738 was a particularly bad year due to storms at sea and other problems. I believe there were more fatalities in that one year than in any other during the years of heavy Germanic immigration during Colonial times. There is a book or article about this called The Year of the Avenging Angels. I forgot the author but someone on the list is sure to know. Joan

June, Saw your question about the PA Dutch and fighting in wars. Since this question arose in my PA Dutch family, I wanted to respond. You mentioned that your Isaac was a Methodist. Generally, the PA Dutch who avoided armed conflict were Mennonites and other groups who were pacifists. One of my great-grandfathers fought in the Civil War; he was a Dunkard, but made the decision (very late--1865) to enlist as a volunteer, as he came from a very war-torn area in PA. Another great-grandfather was still a Mennonite by 1861 and did not enlist, but volunteered to help with bridge building on the Union side. He was captured and put in Andersonville prison. Though his health was permanently affected, he received no pension because he did not actually fight., After the war, this man became a Methodist. So the answer is, it depends--on religious affiliation and individual belief. Barbara

Thanks to all who have taken the time to pass along information and suggestions to follow. June

I am researching the following ECKERT family: Peter ECKERT, born around 1817-1818 married: Lucetta (Lucy) DEEMER they had the following children: 1. Elizabeth ECKERT 1847-1923 married Moses M. FETTER 2. Monroe ECKERT born around 1857-1858 married 1st Isabella FETTER 2nd Adaline (unknown) Monroe's 1st wife Isabella died (1875) at the age of 17 years and I believe that she died while in childbirth. A son was born and his name was Levi ECKERT. He went to live with his grandparents, Levi and Lavina FETTER. Monroe remarried and according to the 1879-1880 Census Monroe was living in Schaefferstown with his wife Adaline and daughter Lizzie. 3. John ECKERT born 1858-1859 married Mary (unknown) and they had a daughter Dillie. If anyone can help me with Monroe ECKERT and his family I would be very grateful. Also if anyone knows anything about Levi ECKERT the son that was born to Isabella FETTER and Monroe ECKERT please let me know. Thank You, Lisa

Joan write: <<You might want to check out John Helmut Merz's Website: http://www.cgo.wave.ca/~hessian>> Good idea and you might also want to subscribe to John's excellent List Serve concerning "Hessien" Troops who stayed in North America: [email protected] This is an interesting list even if one does not have Hessian ancestors. Joe Dessel Endicott, NY [email protected]

Thanks again Joan and also thanks to Ken and Sandy Bitler for the information on the methodist archives. Joan, about the only other family 'tradition' that I can think of is that Isaac's grandfather supposedly fought with the British in the American revolution (perhaps a Hessian?). How would that tally in with being Pennsylvania Dutch? (I also skipped a generation - Isaac was my gggrand-father) June Ken - if you locate an e-mail address for Old St. George Church would you please forward it?

In a message dated 4/25/99 12:19:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > about the only other family 'tradition' that I can think of is that > Isaac's grandfather supposedly fought with the British in the American > revolution (perhaps a Hessian?). How would that tally in with being > Pennsylvania Dutch? June- That would tally well with being Pennsylvania Dutch--some Hessians were incorporated into the PA Dutch culture after the Revolution as they had a lot in common with the Germanic settlers in PA and some did settle there. However, fighting with the British doesn't necessarily make him a Hessian--he could have merely sympathized with the British--which could easily explain his migration to Canada after the war--that was quite common. You might want to check out John Helmut Merz's Website: http://www.cgo.wave.ca/~hessian Joan

Joan, I don't know whether it helps any but Isaac was listed as being Methodist on the census in Ontario. Thanks again, June

Thanks Joan for your checking some sources for me. It has been family "tradition" that Isaac was born either in Pottstown, Pa or Pottsdam, N.Y. The reason for us choosing to follow the Pa route was because everytime we asked our father what our family origin was he said "Pennsylvania Dutch". On the Ontario census that I have found Isaac on (1851, 1861 and 1871) his birthplace is given as U.S. We cannot find a death registration for him so we are deadend on that as well. The first concrete information we have on him is his marriage in Ontario in 1821. I appreciate any help you are able to give even if it is only to point me in some direction. I just wish I could go to Pa myself for a few weeks to search. Thanks again, June

Reply to L.A.McGinnis - thank you for your suggestions - I will make a trip to the local LDS library and see if I can obtain a 1790 census. I don't know how I would check the other suggestions as I live on the west coast of Canada. Thanks again, June

In a message dated 4/24/99 12:48:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I don't know whether it helps any but Isaac was listed as > being Methodist on the census in Ontario. June, this may help you to know which church records to look in. You might even consider checking with a Family History Center in your area where you could order Methodist records for Pottstown churches. You could also do the same for any churches in NY where Isaac might have been baptized. Joan

In a message dated 4/24/99 12:45:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > The reason for us choosing to follow the Pa route > was because everytime we asked our father what our family origin was he > said "Pennsylvania Dutch". June, usually when the *tradition* gets passed down in a family that they are Pennsylvania Dutch there is some truth to this. Your Isaac could still have been born in NY and HIS parents have been from PA though. You need to consider all options. Most of the true PA Dutch were already in PA prior to the Revolution (although a few arrived a bit later). Joan

Bob.. This assumes you meant "Philadelphia" County rather than "Pennsylvania" County. I think what your failing to take into account is the fact that in 1748 Montgomery County did not exist. The area that later became Montgomery County Pennsylvania was within Philadelphia County in 1748. This continued to be true for another 35-36 years. The area finally became Montgomery County in 1784. So at the time he lived there is WAS Philadelphia County. It is NOW Montgomery County. So you might find it either way. Phil ([email protected]) For Ruch/Rugh Family Genealogy, great links, & just plain fun... visit: http://home.earthlink.net/~pknox/

In a message dated 4/23/99 7:34:55 PM !!!First Boot!!!, [email protected] writes: > Bob.. > > This assumes you meant "Philadelphia" County rather than "Pennsylvania" > County. > > I think what your failing to take into account is the fact that in 1748 > Montgomery County did not exist. > > The area that later became Montgomery County Pennsylvania was within > Philadelphia County in 1748. > > This continued to be true for another 35-36 years. The area finally became > Montgomery County in 1784. > > So at the time he lived there is WAS Philadelphia County. It is NOW > Montgomery County. > > So you might find it either way. > Phil > ([email protected]) > I was having a stupid day when I wrote Pennsylvania County rather than Philadelphia! :) Absolutely correct and some of the new Montgomery Count records are now kept in Philadelphia County and some of the Old Philadelphia County Records are kept in Montgomery County. I have even found some of those records down in New Jersey. I am not clear as to what criteria was used to determine what records went where. All in all I think it might have been pretty arbitrary. I would have expected that when Montgomery County was created they would have started over from scratch but that is not the case. It seems like a case of 52 card pickup what ever records the county picked up they kept despite the fact that they could be spread over both counties but may not be limited to just those two counties. I am pretty ignorant of the geology of the area but I think that the area I am looking at is pretty close to the border. Thanks for the information. Bob

Just some suggestions - >Where does one begin to search for information on births in the 1790's. >probably in Chester Co, possibly Lancaster or Montgomery? check the Census records - federal, state, city if available - look for deed to lands - probate records - tax record lists - church records - cemetery plots - >I am searching for any information I can find on my ggrandfather, Isaac >Mintz, who we believe was born in Pottstown in 1794. his parents should be in the 1790 C - check for father's name, you'll note how many of each age classification was in the house - you'll note where they were born, and maybe some more information - check the land records for any deeds - plat the land and hopefully find a family plot there; research all the names you find on each headstone, ... - check probate records - check tax rolls and militia rolls - check church records for births, marriages, deaths, baptisms, ... hoping this helps - anne-ology [email protected] http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Fields/8379/index.html

Attn. Joan Young - I have been on the PA-Dutch mailing list for some time and have been impressed by your genealogical knowledge and wonder if you can point me in the right direction. Where does one begin to search for information on births in the 1790's. probably in Chester Co, possibly Lancaster or Montgomery? I am searching for any information I can find on my ggrandfather, Isaac Mintz, who we believe was born in Pottstown in 1794. Thank you for any help you can offer. June

In a message dated 4/22/99 11:55:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Where does one begin to search for information on births in the 1790's. > probably in Chester Co, possibly Lancaster or Montgomery? > I am searching for any information I can find on my ggrandfather, Isaac > Mintz, who we believe was born in Pottstown in 1794. June, I checked my books--John T. Humphrey's Pennsylvania Births series of books--for all of the counties surrounding Pottstown. Pottstown is in Montgomery County but it is very close to the border with Chester, Berks, and even Lancaster County. I checked ALL of those counties and the books go through 1800. I should also note that I have Philadelphia County births too but the books for Philadelphia County only go through 1780--so if your Isaac was baptized in a church in Phila. I don't have the baptisms for 1794 for that county. I found a few baptisms at New Hanover Lutheran Church in Montgomery County--not far from Pottstown for three children (all girls) of Benedict and Catharina Minz in the 1760s and 1770s. I find nothing at all in Chester County. I tried to consider all possible variants of Mintz--such as Minnich-Minch-Muench, Muntz, etc. I found no Isaacs that could be your Isaac. In Berks County in some miscellaneous baptismal records I found a baptism for an Isaac (surname not listed and parents names not listed) born February 1787. He was baptized at St. Paul's Union Church in Amity Township, Berks County. This is not TOO far away from the area you are expecting to find your Isaac. I can't find anything closer. Perhaps you could give me more details--explain why you expect to find him being baptized around Pottstown and anything else you might be able to tell me. Joan

In a message dated 4/22/99 10:25:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I would like to make a clarification about something. The information that I > > have is that Henry was born in Northumberland County BUT I suspect that to > be > wrong. I suspect Johann Conrad Lorsbach to be his father. I know that > Johann Conrad was in Pennsylvania County (an area that is now Montgomery > County) between 1748 - 1756. So if Johann Conrad is his father then he > would > have been born in Pennsylvania County NOT Northumberland. I am posting the > information I have flawed or otherwise. > > Data on Henry Lushbaugh: > 1751 Born Northumberland, Pennsylvania Bob, I don't have Northumberland Co. records (and by the way it is Philadelphia County and not Pennsylvania County) but I do have birth records for Montgomery County and found the following that you might be interested in--the name spelling might not be exactly what you are looking for but I didn't find the name anywhere else--if this Henry is yours his father is Gottfried: Langebach: Christina Catharine 24 May 1793 Conrath and Christine 23 Langbein: Catharine 12 July 1798 George and Eva 10 John 15 June 1793 George and Eva 10 Maria 29 Sept. 1790 George and Eva 10 Langenbach: Catharina 8 Dec. 1782 Conrad Christina 9 Henry 13 Apr. 1787 Conrad Christina 10 Lydia 25 Dec. 1800 Conrad Christina 9 Maria Magd. 7 Jan. 1785 Conrad Christina 9 Samuel 28 Sept. 1796 Conrad Christina 9 Langenbein: Anna Maria 19 Dec. 1753 Gottfried and not given 10 Elizabeth circe 1750 Gottfried and not given 10 Henry circa 1749 Gottfried and not given 10 9=New Hanover Lutheran Church (New Hanover Township) 10=Falkner Swamp Reformed Church (New Hanover Township) 23=Emanuel Lutheran Church, Pottstown The above Gottfried "Langbane" arrived on the Europa in 1741 and was age 17 at the time. I have no idea as to whether this could be a variation of Lushbaugh/Lorsbach or whether the name could have evolved into the ones you are looking for but Gottfried did have a son Henry born in Montgomery County at about the right time. Joan