Greetings All, I have recently activated GRIEST-L & D Mailing Lists: To subscribe to the lists, place the word [ subscribe ] in the body of the message. [email protected] & [email protected] as well as a suite of GRIEST boards : http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/gri/Griest (Query). The rest of the suite is linked from that board. My GRIEST ancestors were from York Co. PA. : John GRIEST b. ca 1695 + Martha BALDWIN> Willing GRIEST b. 8-2-1736 + Ann GARRETSON b. 8-14-1745 married 9-5-1764 Warrington Meeting, York Co. PA. > Jacob GRIEST b. 1779 + Esther VANSCOYAC b. 1771 > Johnathan GRIEST b. 8-13-1793 + Mary MORRIS> Esther GRIEST 4-1-1814 York Co. PA. + Thomas Bradley ROTH 8-7-1810 Berks Co. PA) I also activated a ROTH suite of boards: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/rot/Roth My earliest ROTH ancestor was Thomas' father : Paul ROTH + Catharine REITER married 12-1805 at the First Reformed Church in Reading, Berks Co. PA. Searching for Paul's & Catharine's siblings & parents. Regards, Paul A. Roth

Hi: An exception exists for the 1733 Elizabeth. In Strassburger & Hinke's Pennsylvania German Pioneers, Vol. 1, Appendix I are found the names of women and children, including some named Troud and Ley. Don Billet -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [PENNA-DUTCH-L] Lau connection >In a message dated 5/17/99 12:37:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >[email protected] writes: > >> Try Johann Georg (Hans Yurich) Ley; b. ca 1705, perhaps in >> Baden or in A/L. Came to America (Philadelphia) 1733 on the Eliza. Wed >> Maria Elisabetha Traudt/Traut/Trout, probably in Germany or A/L. > >Here is what I was able to find. On the ship Elizabeth in 1733 on list A >there is a Hans Martin Troud, age 56; and next on the list is Hans Jurigh >Ley, sick, age 28. On lists B and C Hans Jurigh Ley's name does NOT appear >indicating he may have been detained on the ship since he was sick. The name >Johan Debalt Trautt DOES appear on both lists B & C. He signed his own name >to those two lists so I believe his name is correct as he wrote it >himself--Johan Debalt Trautt. > >My guess is that he would have been Hans Jurigh's (Georg) father in law or >other close relative. The women's names don't appear on these lists so I >think it is quite likely that the couple were already married and Georg's >wife and father-in-law (or both parents) accompanied them on the trip. > >These families don't appear in the Burgert book listing emigrants from >Northern Alsace--unfortunately I don't have the other books by her to check >them. You might want to try to locate them in a library near you. > >Joan > > >==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== >Welcome to our list! We are always friendly here. > >

Hi: I believe that Michael has given a copy to The Historical Society of York County in York, Pa. Don -----Original Message----- From: Debbie Hogue <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [PENNA-DUTCH-L] Lau connection >To Dave Ross: > >I don't know, there is a book by Michael Lau about the descendents of >Christian Lau but I have not seen it yet. Maybe someone else on the list >knows something about it? >Debbie Drake Hogue > >>Debbie: Could your LAU have any connection with the LEY family who came >over >>in 1733 from "Baden" (maybe from Alsace-Lorraine) ?? >> >>Dave Ross >>Denver, CO >> > > >==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== >Glad you are here! Share some of your genealogy with others. > >

I am not familiar with the name Lau. I am wondering if there is any connection between them and the name Low/Lowe. There were a number by that name in Guilford Co NC in the 1700's. Could that be the Americanized version of Lau. They lived in the German section, among some from Alsace Lorraine. > Some intermarried with my Huffines line. > Good Searching - Good Finding - Good Luck! David Huffines Searching HOFHEINZ/HUFFINES/HOFFHINES/HUFFHINES/ HOFFEIN/et.al.and WILLIAMSON, WAKEFIELD, UNDERWOOD, PAISLEY, SIKES, LIPSCOMB

In a message dated 5/17/99 10:46:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I am going to admit this. I don't have time to do lookups however and I do > not believe the Ley family is the same but still would not put money on it. > > I do have the Lau Book by Mike Lau. The Lowe/Low family in NC are the same > family as the York County Lau family. Just like the York County Glatfelder > and the NC Clodfelter family are the same... just like the York County > Gentzler family is the same as the NC Cansler family... and so on..... Don, and like my York County LEIB family is the NC LIPE family and like my York County Hoens/Heintz family is the NC HANES family, AND of course David's and my Hoffheins/Hofheintz family from York County became Huffines in NC. And on and on.... Joan

In a message dated 5/17/99 7:42:28 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I am not familiar with the name Lau. I am wondering if there is any > connection between them and the name Low/Lowe. There were a number by that > name in Guilford Co NC in the 1700's. Could that be the Americanized > version of Lau. They lived in the German section, among some from Alsace > Lorraine. I am going to admit this. I don't have time to do lookups however and I do not believe the Ley family is the same but still would not put money on it. I do have the Lau Book by Mike Lau. The Lowe/Low family in NC are the same family as the York County Lau family. Just like the York County Glatfelder and the NC Clodfelter family are the same... just like the York County Gentzler family is the same as the NC Cansler family... and so on..... Thanks! Don

In a message dated 5/17/99 10:19:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > An exception exists for the 1733 Elizabeth. In Strassburger & Hinke's > Pennsylvania German Pioneers, Vol. 1, Appendix I are found the names of > women and children, including some named Troud and Ley. Don, ACK!!!! I keep forgetting that this is the ship that is listed in the appendix with the following notation: "This list came to light after list 30A was in print. As it was undated it was not identified until the index of names had been prepared." On this list are: men: Tabell Troud, smith, age 27 Hance Martin Troud, farmer, age 56 Johan Henrich Ley, miller, age 28 Women's list: Anna Crate Troud, age 27 Cughlick Troud, age 52 Marg. Apell. Troud, age 24 Eliza Lee, age 19 Children: Johanes Troud, age 1 & 1/2 Johan Henrick Ley, age 13 Sorry to have missed that before. Joan

Thanks, Joan. It's what Rupp shows, too. Appreciate your time, kiddo. Dave Ross

PORNOGRAPHY: Folks, About pornography intrusion. I was receiving such until I bounced it back to the sender's server with a brief note. Haven't had any since. If there is an occurrence I will repeat. [email protected] wrote: > ANNETP: I also am up the wall with the estreme amount of PORN intrusion into > my daily reception. You're not alone. > > ==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== > Do a good turn for another and see what comes back...

In a message dated 5/17/99 12:37:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Try Johann Georg (Hans Yurich) Ley; b. ca 1705, perhaps in > Baden or in A/L. Came to America (Philadelphia) 1733 on the Eliza. Wed > Maria Elisabetha Traudt/Traut/Trout, probably in Germany or A/L. Here is what I was able to find. On the ship Elizabeth in 1733 on list A there is a Hans Martin Troud, age 56; and next on the list is Hans Jurigh Ley, sick, age 28. On lists B and C Hans Jurigh Ley's name does NOT appear indicating he may have been detained on the ship since he was sick. The name Johan Debalt Trautt DOES appear on both lists B & C. He signed his own name to those two lists so I believe his name is correct as he wrote it himself--Johan Debalt Trautt. My guess is that he would have been Hans Jurigh's (Georg) father in law or other close relative. The women's names don't appear on these lists so I think it is quite likely that the couple were already married and Georg's wife and father-in-law (or both parents) accompanied them on the trip. These families don't appear in the Burgert book listing emigrants from Northern Alsace--unfortunately I don't have the other books by her to check them. You might want to try to locate them in a library near you. Joan

Thanks, Joan: Try Johann Georg (Hans Yurich) Ley; b. ca 1705, perhaps in Baden or in A/L. Came to America (Philadelphia) 1733 on the Eliza. Wed Maria Elisabetha Traudt/Traut/Trout, probably in Germany or A/L.

To Dave Ross: I don't know, there is a book by Michael Lau about the descendents of Christian Lau but I have not seen it yet. Maybe someone else on the list knows something about it? Debbie Drake Hogue >Debbie: Could your LAU have any connection with the LEY family who came over >in 1733 from "Baden" (maybe from Alsace-Lorraine) ?? > >Dave Ross >Denver, CO >

In a message dated 5/17/99 8:33:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I don't know, there is a book by Michael Lau about the descendents of > Christian Lau but I have not seen it yet. Maybe someone else on the list > knows something about it? Hi Debbie and Dave- I have the book 18th Century Emigrants from the Northern Alsace to America by Annette Burgert and some Lau and Low emigrants are included in this book. I don't see the name spelled as Ley in the book but anything is possible. If you would like information about a specific emigrant post your question to the list and I will see if they are among the Lau and Low's included. Joan

To all- I don't know how we have worked our way from the discussion of a questionable project to reconstruct the 1890 census to one involving porno spam received by AOL subscribers but please lets end this discussion on this list. I know it is a frustrating problem which I am faced with myself and all we can do about it for the moment is to forward any such messages to [email protected] I would remind you all that this has nothing to do with our RootsWeb mailing lists and is being sent to you directly through AOL's system. Attempts to spam RootsWeb lists with porno and other spam are made every day, but thanks to the software that keeps the lists running those messages are blocked and never make their way to our lists. So let's be thankful for that and get on with our study of Pennsylvania Dutch genealogy and culture! Thanks! Joan

ANNETP: I also am up the wall with the estreme amount of PORN intrusion into my daily reception. You're not alone.

Debbie: Could your LAU have any connection with the LEY family who came over in 1733 from "Baden" (maybe from Alsace-Lorraine) ?? Dave Ross Denver, CO

I agree, Joan. I sent an e-mail to her address and have received no reply! Jan >I think I would be very cautious about this one. > >Joan > >______________________________

In a message dated 5/13/99 11:42:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > why wouldn't the lds records have that ?i'm sure if there was aneed they have > already supplied it. That is precisely the point--they felt it was too large a job for even them to tackle--so if they can't do it I am not sure anyone can. Joan

why wouldn't the lds records have that ?i'm sure if there was aneed they have already supplied it.

In a message dated 5/12/99 9:41:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I am receiving a tremendous amount of porn mail. I just send it to TOSSpam, > but it is extremely irritating. > Oh Anne- I am not saying this person is in the same category as a spammer. Just that the project is questionable at best. More along the lines of Halberts most likely and not of any real genealogical value. > It also bothers me when individuals want to sell public information. That > is why I have been willing to contribute to rootsweb. Their purpose is for the > good of all, not just a few. Nothing wrong with private enterprise, but we all need to consider the value of what we get from RootsWeb and RootsWeb hosted resources and support them accordingly. Joan