In a message dated 6/26/99 11:28:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I was always told that Evan was Welsh; Dave- I am virtually certain that Evan and Owen are Welsh names. I am also equally certain that they were originally Quakers--that is the reason they came to the Philadelphia area with the Quaker migration of the late 1600s. > > I've pretty good info on the family (except for Margaret's maiden name) from > Ohio on. The son, Franklin J., was my great-grandfather, and he's quite a > story, having divorced a wife in PA (child ?Franny? wound up with a Keihl > family), disappeared for a number of years, served in the Civil war, later > married my great-grandmother in Ohio. You will, of course, have to work your way back one generation at a time to get to the immigrant ancestor. > > As to info on Evan, Margaret and the PA-born children prior to their arrival > in Ohio, I haven't a clue at this point. I don't have anything on that either but that is where you need to start. Once you make the inevitable connection to the early Welsh line I have lots of information from that point on. > > When you've time, would you mind sharing your data on the earlier Owen > family you mentioned? We're planning a driving trip east in a bit to visit my > family-origins locales in 7 states. We'll be in Lancaster Co., probably not > much time for research on this trip (it's mainly for look-see-photo), but > any info I can have along will be handy. If you have access to the Family Tree Maker World Family Tree CD, Vol. 4--my tree is on there that includes the early Owen line--if you don't have access to that CD let me know. I am not sure whether your Owen line would have been Quaker in the 1790s or later--but I am virtually certain they were when they arrived. There are some books you might try to locate at a library near you that give some information on the early Owen--some of it is accurate and some isn't but it is a good place to start. If you can locate the book "Shull, Stockton, Burdsall, and Allied Families" by Rena Shull McCahon she has a good section on the Owen lines. You might do better at locating: "Merion in the Welsh Tract" and "The Welsh Founders of PA" I don't have the info on the authors handy right now, but one of the authors is Glenn and the other is Browning. Joan

Oh, Joan (what's your surname?)!! You're the FIRST-EVER response I've had that even looks promising!! I guess I can't help you too much. I was always told that Evan was Welsh; the folks always said that's where our darker coloring probably came from. As to his being Quaker, I don't know. My track on him picks up in Miami Co., OH, where he farmed. I've pretty good info on the family (except for Margaret's maiden name) from Ohio on. The son, Franklin J., was my great-grandfather, and he's quite a story, having divorced a wife in PA (child ?Franny? wound up with a Keihl family), disappeared for a number of years, served in the Civil war, later married my great-grandmother in Ohio. As to info on Evan, Margaret and the PA-born children prior to their arrival in Ohio, I haven't a clue at this point. When you've time, would you mind sharing your data on the earlier Owen family you mentioned? We're planning a driving trip east in a bit to visit my family-origins locales in 7 states. We'll be in Lancaster Co., probably not much time for research on this trip (it's mainly for look-see-photo), but any info I can have along will be handy. I'll naturally reimburse any costs involved in providing such data!! This at least gives me some hope that there MAY be linkage to be found. Dave Ross 2771 S. Yates Denver, CO 80236-2018

In a message dated 6/26/99 7:56:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Would appreciate help with: > > Evan OWEN,b. 24 Dec 1790, poss. Lancaster Co. (had chldn. in Bird-in-Hand) > Margaret E. ___ (his wife), b. 15 Sep1802, poss. Lancaster Co. > They wed ca. 1827. Children born in PA: Franklin J. (1828 in Bird-in-Hand); > > Elizabeth Kathryn (1830); William (1832); Levi (1834); Margaret E. (1837); > John F. (1840: may have been b. in OH). Hi Dave- might your Evan Owen have been of Welsh Quaker descent? I strongly suspect he is part of my Welsh Owen line who settled in the Welsh Tract in what is now Montgomery County, PA in the 1680s. I don't know the line of descent to your Evan Owen but I do find an earlier Evan Owen born to Robert and Rebecca Owen in 1681 in the records of Lower Merion Friends Meeting. Without looking back at my files I believe Robert Owen may have been the brother to my Joshua Owen. The family was from Merionethshire, Wales and was of royal descent traceable back to Charlemagne. Joan

Would appreciate help with: Evan OWEN,b. 24 Dec 1790, poss. Lancaster Co. (had chldn. in Bird-in-Hand) Margaret E. ___ (his wife), b. 15 Sep1802, poss. Lancaster Co. They wed ca. 1827. Children born in PA: Franklin J. (1828 in Bird-in-Hand); Elizabeth Kathryn (1830); William (1832); Levi (1834); Margaret E. (1837); John F. (1840: may have been b. in OH). Ca. 1840, family migrated to Miami Co., OH. More children born there. Dave Ross Denver, CO

I'm searching for any kind of information on my maternal g, grandfather William Lubert of South Carolina. He had three daughters I know of, my grandmother Margaret DeLacy, Carrie or Caroline and Mary ( Mamie). He was a plantation owner and lost everything during the Civil War. If anyone has any kind of input, my gratitude would be unbounded. HalBlattenberger, [email protected]

----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 3:58 PM Subject: [PENNA-DUTCH-L] "CARSON RESEARCH"/PA. > Hi, > I am researching the following family: > > John Edmonston Carson> born: Nov. 1855> married: > Mary Elizabeth McCreath. Children: 1. Jennie F. Nov 1886 Kansas 2. James R. Aug.1889 Iowa 3. Helen Aug 1894 New Mexico 4. Parke Edward Mar. 1896 New Mexico 5. Samuel July 1899 Tacoma 6. Timae Sept. 19.1902 He was a boilermaker. So maybe that's why he traveled. Do they work on the water or factories. Thanks, Sandy P

I'm searching for a Mark Sanson , grandson of D.W.Blattenberger , was living in Steelton, Pa. If anyone can put me in touch ,i'll be grateful. Harold Blattenberger, [email protected]

Hi, I am researching the following family: John MATTHEWS (Mattes, Matthes) born: abt. 1796 married: Susanna Rhoads (Rhoades) born: abt. 1799 Children: 1. Sarah, born 9-12-1818 2. Elizabeth, born 5-26-1820 3. Maria (Mary) Anna, born 9-29-1821 4. Andrew, born 7-27-1823 5. Michael, born 3-27-1826 6. Maria, born 9-28-1828 7. Susanna, born 8-13-1832 died 1915 married Edward FETTER 8. Lovina, born 10-8-1842 died 1918 married Levi FETTER The above children were born and baptized at St. Lukes Lutheran Church in Schaefferstown, Lebanon County, PA. except Lovina was born and baptized at Emanuel Lutheran Church in Brickerville, PA. Please email me if you have any information that would help me with the Matthews/Rhoads family. Thank You, Lisa

06.22.99 Hi Robert, Your message came to me as a subscriber of the Penna Dutch-L home page. I don't have your exact book but I do have the net address for the IMMIGRANT SHIPS TRANSCRIBERS GUILD, that being www.istg.rootsweb.com If they do not have the exact book, odds are they'll be able to put you in the direction thereof. Myself, I'm looking for a complete passenger listing on the Abigail. She sailed from England to Mass. in 1628. Good luck on your search! Shelley R. Woods [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: robert efaw <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 2:05 PM Subject: [PENNA-DUTCH-L] passenger ship >hello: >Would anyone have the book "Ship Passenger Lists Pennsylvania & Delaware >(1641-1825) by Carl Boyer? >thanks >bob e > > > > >==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== >Glad you are here! Share some of your genealogy with others. > >

hello: Would anyone have the book "Ship Passenger Lists Pennsylvania & Delaware (1641-1825) by Carl Boyer? thanks bob e

Elizabeth MITCHELL wed Thomas HOLT 2/3/1756 in Lancaster PA. She was born in Ireland C1735, the daughter of John MITCHELL and Mary Jane ROSS. In the IGI I found a Mary ROSS wed to John MITCHEL 5/31/1716 in Ashhurst, Sussex, England. Anyone reseaching this family? Margo

--part1_76c55cf7.2498497e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The LIBEY families in the following message were said to be PA Dutch and may have been Brethren, Mennonite, or Lutheran. Many left Ohio for DeKalb, Steuben, and LaGrange County, Indiana. (My ancestors lived in all 3 - depending on the generation) --part1_76c55cf7.2498497e_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (rly-yd05.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.5]) by air-yd03.mail.aol.com (v59.51) with SMTP; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:20:03 -0400 Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) by rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (vx) with SMTP; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:19:45 -0400 Received: (from [email protected]) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16680; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:17:47 -0700 (PDT) From: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:49:18 EDT Subject: LIBEY families Old-To: [email protected], [email protected] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Resent-From: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/488 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] Dear Listmembers, I am brand new to the list(s) and am in search of more info on my LIBEY ancestors. Of many LIBEY families that follow, I have more info than I have listed and will gladly share and am interested in any info I can obtain (descending or ascending) -- particularly in info on the William and Elizabeth ? LIBEY family. They had several children in Richland County during 1830s/1840s. According to family history (I have all spouses/offspring for many generations), William was born in PA in 1816 (Cumberland Co? or Perry?) and died in DeKalb Co., IN in 1849. William and Elizabeth had the following children: Margaret (Peggy) LIBEY b: 1835 OH; George E. LIBEY b: 1838, Richland Co., OH; David D. LIBEY b: 1840, Richland Co., OH; Mary Ann LIBEY b: 1842 Richland Co., OH; Jacob Ora LIBEY b: 1844 Richland Co., OH; Rachel LIBEY b: 1846 Richland Co., OH; and Elizabeth LIBEY b: 1849 DeKalb Co., IN. William may have been a son of John and Polly FOHT LIBEY (and John may be a son of George and Eve Dunkel Libey). Info on some of John and Polly's children follows: Catherine LIBEY b: 1818 PA married Philip SHAMBOUGH in Richland Co, OH in 1841; Susan LIBEY b: 1820 PA married Daniel BURROUGHS in Williams Co, OH in 1843; John Frederich LIBEY married Elizabeth RICHEY in Williams Co, OH in 1843; Simon LIBEY b: 1828 PA; Benjamin LIBEY b: 1830 PA married Lucy Ferguson in Lenawee Co., MI in 1853; Lucy Ann LIBEY b: 1832 PA married John LOSEY in Lenawee Co., MI in 1853; and Sarah LIBEY b: 1838 OH (Richland Co, OH ?) married Howland Ferguson in Lenawee Co., MI in 1854. Not listed is Margaret LIBEY who married George LIBEY in PA - they moved to MI , near her relatives, in the 1850s (also have much info on their offspring....). Another (probably related) LIBEY (extended) family can be found travelling in the same counties at the same times. George LIBEY b: 1786 in PA married Margretta ? b: 1792. They had the following children: William b: ABT1813, Maria b; ABT1814, John L. b: ABT1816, Margaret E. b: ABT 1817, Jacob S. b: ABT1818, and Isabelle b: 1828. Particulars on the offspring of the preceding sentence follow: William and Lucinda ? LIBEY are found in Brady Twp, Williams Co, OH in the 1850 census with the following children - George b: ABT1838, John J b: ABT1839/40, Cornelius b: ABT1841/42, Margaret b: ABT1843/44, and Catherine b: ABT1849. Maria LIBEY married Samuel Marvin ROCKWELL in Richland Co., OH in 1836. John L. and Catherine Blocker LIBEY are found in Brady Twp, Williams Co, OH in the 1850 census with the following children - Sarah b: ABT1839, George b: ABT1842, Jonas b: ABT1844, John b: ABT1846, and Catherine b: ABT1852. Margaret E. LIBEY married George ROCKWELL in Richland Co., OH in 1836. They are found in Brady Twp, Williams Co, OH in the 1850 census with the following children - Malissa b: ABT1837, Frederick b: ABT 1839, and Oscar b: ABT 1847. Jacob S. LIBEY married Elizabeth BLOCKER in Richland Co., OH in 1838. He is found with new wife Anna ROCKWELL (married in 1846 in Williams Co, OH) in Madison Twp, Williams Co, OH in the 1850 census with the following children - Jacob (Elizabeth's child) , Samuel (Elizabeth's child), Mary (Elizabeth's child), Leroy b: ABT1849, and Laroy b: ABT1849. Jacob and Anna ROCKWELL LIBEY also has William LIBEY b: ABT 1853 and Melissa LIBEY b: ABT1864. After Anna's death, Jacob married yet again. Isabelle LIBEY married James LAUGHLIN in Williams Co, OH in 1847. They are found in Brady Twp, Williams Co, OH in the 1850 census with the following children - Almedia b: ABT1848 and George b: ABT1849/50. Thanks in advance to any help received, Stacie Libey Bisnath Lakeland, FL --part1_76c55cf7.2498497e_boundary--

I am looking for my g grandfather's town. I know he came from PA of PA parents. His name? JOHN EDMONSTON CARSON b. Nov. 1855. I am looking for his parents names. Also I have Amanda Alice Olher b. 1857 and I would like the names of her parents. If this is possible I would really appreciate it. Thanks, Sandy P

Dear Hal, Thank you for writing and wanting to help me with my Kurtz research. The girl you mentioned "Laurie Kurtz" from California is not a familiar name to me. Since I have just learned that Elias Kurtz left his first family and moved to California and remarried and then died in Oregon leaves me with just that information. Now I need to work backwards. I am keeping a copy of your email and if I come across the name Laurie Kurtz I will get back to you. I do thank you again for your help. I hope you are enjoying your weekend. "God Bless," Lisa

Hi Lisa, I used to go with a girl named Laurie Kurtz. I knew her family well. They did, and probably still do, live in Huntington Beach, Orange Co., California.. If this is a match or your interested, I could probably dig up some contact information. Hal Land O' Lakes, FL Read the "Michael Hileman Memoirs", Hileman history 1749 - 1914, at: http://users.rootsweb.com/~iljodavi/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 10:04 PM Subject: [PENNA-DUTCH-L] "KURTZ" >I am researching the following family and would like to hear from others that >are also researching this family. > >Elias G. KURTZ (no dates) >married: >Sarah Griffee (no dates) >children: >1. Elias Kurtz, 1879-1955 >married: Nora Kline >2. Issac KURTZ >married: Sallie Fetter >3. Samuel KURTZ >married: Annie Zartman >4. Nathan KURTZ >married: ? >5. Adam KURTZ >married: ? >I believe that there were 4 more children but I do not have their names. > >I am interested in Elias G. KURTZ, 1879-1955 who married Nora Kline. >They had the following children: >1. Earl who married Ruth Dissinger >2. Raymond who married Myrtle Noll >3. Samuel who married Helen Fetter > >Elias was born in Heidelberg Township, Lebanon County. At the time that he >applied for his marriage application in 1901 he was living in Richland, >Lebanon County. >At the time that their last son Samuel was born in 1908 they were living in >Swamp, Cocalico, PA. >The story goes as follows: >When Samuel was 6 months old his father Elias left home and no one ever heard >from him or his whereabouts. Word came sometime in the 1970's that Elias had >moved to California, remarried and had more children. >I have recently found out that he died in 1955 in Clackamas, Oregon. He was >divorced at the time of his death and his 2nd wife's name is only given as >"Sina." > >If anyone has anything to share on this family please email me at [email protected] > >Thank You, >Lisa > > >==== PENNA-DUTCH Mailing List ==== >Keep those PA DUTCH traditions alive and share them with the list. > >

I am researching the following family and would like to hear from others that are also researching this family. Elias G. KURTZ (no dates) married: Sarah Griffee (no dates) children: 1. Elias Kurtz, 1879-1955 married: Nora Kline 2. Issac KURTZ married: Sallie Fetter 3. Samuel KURTZ married: Annie Zartman 4. Nathan KURTZ married: ? 5. Adam KURTZ married: ? I believe that there were 4 more children but I do not have their names. I am interested in Elias G. KURTZ, 1879-1955 who married Nora Kline. They had the following children: 1. Earl who married Ruth Dissinger 2. Raymond who married Myrtle Noll 3. Samuel who married Helen Fetter Elias was born in Heidelberg Township, Lebanon County. At the time that he applied for his marriage application in 1901 he was living in Richland, Lebanon County. At the time that their last son Samuel was born in 1908 they were living in Swamp, Cocalico, PA. The story goes as follows: When Samuel was 6 months old his father Elias left home and no one ever heard from him or his whereabouts. Word came sometime in the 1970's that Elias had moved to California, remarried and had more children. I have recently found out that he died in 1955 in Clackamas, Oregon. He was divorced at the time of his death and his 2nd wife's name is only given as "Sina." If anyone has anything to share on this family please email me at [email protected] Thank You, Lisa

Hi, I am researching the following KLINE family and would like to hear from others who are also researching this family. Jacob KLINE, (no dates) married: Elizabeth BORD or BOND / Albert A. KLINE, 1855-1920 buried in the Schaefferstown Cemetery married: Emma FOLTZ, 1856-1933 buried in the Schaefferstown Cemetery daughter of Issac and Susan FOLTZ / 1. Lizzie M. KLINE, 1878- married: Thomas A. Shower 2. Charles KLINE, 1880-? married: Jennie A. Ruhl 3. Nora E. KLINE, 1882-1951 *** married: Elias G. Kurtz 4. Violet KLINE, 1883- married: John Kohl 5. Ida S. KLINE, 1885-1931 married: John Becker, they later divorced 6. Leah A. KLINE, 1887-1968 married: William K. Bobb 7. Sallie M. KLINE, 1888-1946 married: William H. Krick Please email me if you are researching this family. Thank You, Lisa

I am researching the MELLINGER name and would like to hear from others who are researching the following: Jacob MELLINGER, 1756-1819 married: Barbara ARNDT (Arndtine), 1760-1821 / Jacob MELLINGER, 1787-1863 married: 1810 Mary Ann (Marie) GEPHARDT, 1790-1861 / Louisa MELLINGER, 1811-? married: 1832 at the Tabor Reformed Church in Lebanon Cty. John George PARTHEMORE, 1811-? Also in my family that I am researching I have a Elizabeth MELLINGER, 1808-1880 married: 1832 at the Rieher's Reformed Church Moses FETTER, 1811-1871 I would like to find out who Elizabeth MELLINGER's parents were. Please email me if you have any information on the above. Thank You, Lisa

Hi, I found the original discharge papers from the military service dated 1919 and the name on the paper is Lester S. BAST. He was born in PA. If anyone is related to Lester S. Bast please email me. "God Bless," Lisa

Hi, I am hoping that someone recognizes this family and is able to help me. Ida C. ZEHRING, born 1-25-1867 in Montgomery County, Ohio was the daughter of Henry B. ZEHRING and Lucetta PARTHEMORE. Ida married Elmer SHREINER (Shriner) and they had one son named Leroy. I have been told that they left Ohio and moved to Reading, PA. I sure would like to know about this family and would like to hear from anyone that might have some information. Thank You, Lisa