Hi Anthony I haven't any evidence, for anything at present, just thoughts. I only wondered about Reigate as they were living there and I haven't seen the records for that area. Having checked my data more carefully, however, I am not certain the transripts I was looking at all went as late as your marriage. I was more interested in the 18th and very early 19th centuries at the time so may have missed them. I know nothing of Hannah except what I found on the 1851 Census. I don't even know her maiden name. I assumed you got it from one of her children's birth certificates. Thomas and Edward look encouraging but not conclusive as they were very common, so too the bricklayer link, as this was the usual out of season occupation for ag labs in the area. The only other Penfold in Reigate in 1851 was a Philip P. 19 b. Ifield. I have yet to work out who he is as the only Philip P. I have bap. Ifield or Crawley around this time died aged 14 months. I will check my notes for anymore Reigate Penfold links I have in case you recognise them. Goto go now but will be back Julie Anthony Tinslay wrote: > Thanks for quick response. > Now this is even more interesting. You say that the probable brother of > Edward (John's father) was a Thomas. Well John/Hannah's children were > Thomas, John, Eliza & Edward. Edward then had a Thomas and Edward so the > names perpetuate. > Yes I was aware of the 1851 Reigate census details of Hannah and the two > sons - John senior and junior having died. I am descended from the Edward > who had a son Thomas. Both the sons of Hannah were bricklayers - same occup. > as the Edward of Ifield - your relative. The connections are increasing. > However why do you surmise that the marriage John/Hannah took place in > Reigate as I can find no record having searched. I was aware (from IGI) of a > Hannah Holbrook dau. of Thomas H from Ilminster but what evidence do you > have so support that this is the same person please? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> > To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > > > >>Hi Anthony >> >>It does look interesting. I think the answer lies in Reigate's records >>but I am not sure where to get them. Woking may have copies of the >>original records on fiches, but they didn't have any transcripts. >> >>I only have the info off familysearch, which is that John was bap. at >>Crawley 1 May 1803, parents Edward & Frusannah. >> >>I know there was a lot of movement between Crawley/Ifield and Horley and >>Reigate. Also Charlwood, Newdigate and Rusper. Many of my Ifield >>ancestors were bap. at Crawley. This is because Crawley parish was a >>strange and small invention which included just the east side of the >>High Street from the South end to where it became London Road. The west >>side of the High Street and London Road to the north were in Ifield >>parish. Much of what is now Crawley was in Worth and Slaugham. A >>number of my ancestors marriages took place in Slaugham. It is >>therefore likely that like my family (descended from Thomas presumed >>brother of John's proposed father Edward)they did not move to Ifield but >>were already there. >> >>As to the marriage of John & Hannah, I have not come across it. It was >>probably in Reigate. I have found Hannah among my 1851 data. She was >>still with her ne w husband plus two of her sons, Thomas Penfold 22 and >>Edward Penfold 16. She was born Ilminster, SOM. >> >> >>Sorry I have no more. Hope this helps a little. >> >>Best wishes >>Julie >> >>Anthony Tinslay wrote: >> >> > Hello Julie >> > Well this is interesting and could very "possibly" be the breakthrough >> > to > >> > all those relatives I did not know I had! >> > Crawley is next to Ifield which is next to Reigate which is important >> > and > >> > for a fact Reigate was becoming a developing place at the turn of the >>19th >> > century and drew in people from nearby farming districts. >> > My John P died in Reigate on 9 Oct 1836 age 33. Thus his birth was >>between >> > 10 Oct 1802 and 9 Oct 1803. Do you know birth details of the Crawley >>John? >> > The family moving into the Ifield Parish makes sense AND the brother >>Edward >> > for two reasons. >> > 1 Edward was John/Hannah's 4th child and name was perpetuated in >> > later > >> > generations. >> > 2 It has always been thought in my family that John had relatives >>to the >> > South East of Reigate as that was expressed by a long since dead Aunt >> > of > >> > mine who as a girl in c1910 played with relatives in that area. >> > Also I understand that John/Hannah did not live actually in Reigate but >> > rather by Earlswood >> > Where then the marriage John/Hannah Holbrook which I also cannot >> > locate? > >> > Hannah was 35(not yet 40) in Reigate 1841 census. She was 47 in 1851 >>census >> > and NOT born in Surrey but living with her second husband Richard >> > Humphrey(m. 4 Jan 1848). >> > Any help to you >> > Regards Anthony Tinslay >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> >> > To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:25 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON >> > >> > >> > >> >>Hi Anthony, >> >> >> >>I don't want to jump to conclusions (I have yet to find a copy of >> >>Reigate baptisms so he may have been born there). If not, however, I >> > am > >> >>looking for John b. 1803 Crawley to Edward & Frusannah (nee Brown). A >> >>possible Reigate link is that a Frusannah Brown was born in Reigate in >> >>1809 (obviously not the same one, but as the name is so unusual very >> >>probably related). The only other known child of Edward and Frusanna >> > is > >> >>Edward b. 1800. He settled in Ifield and had a large family, many of >> >>whose descendants are on this mailing list. Nothing more is known of >> >>Edward and Frusannah until they were buried in Ifield in 1820 and 1812 >> >>respectively. If your John is theirs, then perhaps they went to >> > Reigate > >> >>- this would account for them disappearing as Reigate is a blackhole as >> >>far as parish records go in my experience. >> >> >> >>Sorry I haven't any concrete evidence but hopefully this can point you >> >>in the right direction. >> >> >> >>Best wishes >> >>Julie Martin >> >> >> >> >> >>Anthony Tinslay wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>Interesting. I am still trying without success to find both birth & >> >>>marriage location of John PENFOLD. born c1803 possibly not in Surrey >> >>> >> > but >> > >> >>>died in Reigate 1836 aged 33 after having married Hannah Holbrook and >> >>>having four children. >> >>>Thomas b 1828 >> >>>John b 1830 >> >>>Eliza b 1833 >> >>>Edward b 1835 >> >>>Hannah, NOT born in Surrey and marriage location not found. >> >>>Anyone help please >> >>>Anthony Tinslay >> >>>----- Original Message ----- >> >>>From: <TennisEgg1@cs.com> >> >>>To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> >> >>>Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 9:53 PM >> >>>Subject: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>I have been trying for some time to trace the origin of my PENFOLD >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>ancestry. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>My 4x g grandfather Edward PENFOLD married Sarah BONIFACE in >> >>>> >> > Woodmancote, >> > >> >>>>Sussex in 1783. Sarah came from Sussex but I don't know where Edward >> >>>> >> > came >> > >> >>>>from. The first child that I have found is my ggg grandmother, Sarah >> >>>> >> > born >> > >> >>>Jan >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>1785 in Ashtead, Surrey. They had 4 other children in Ashtead and >> > then > >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>one >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>in Dorking, whom I may have overlooked, except they wonderfully >>gave him >> >>>> >> > a >> > >> >>>>second christian name of Boniface. His first name was John. >> >>>> >> >>>>Sarah the daughter married Henry EGGLETON in Epsom in 1805. One of >> > the > >> >>>>witnesses was John PENFOLD. Now presuming this John is not the one >> > born > >> >>>> >> > in >> > >> >>>>Dorking (he was christened 1793, so would only have been 12 at >>marriage) >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>then >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>who is this other John. Kate from Queensland sent me a marriage of >> > John > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>PENFOLD and Mary LEMON in Headley (5 miles from Dorking), so was John >> >>>> >> > born >> > >> >>>>earlier maybe first born and only got christened later? >> >>>> >> >>>>So help please - if anyone has access to the Dorking records could >> > they > >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>check >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>if it states the age of John Boniface PENFOLD on the christening >> > entry > >> >>>> >> > 20 >> > >> >>>Mar >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>1793. >> >>>> >> >>>>Also, my gg grandfather James Eggleton (son of Henry and Sarah nee >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>Penfold) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>married Lucy LEMON. So was Lucy related to Mary. Unusual the links >>given >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>that >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>there are very few Penfolds and Lemons, esp in that area. Does anyone >> >>>> >> > have >> > >> >>>>the Headley records showing this marriage? >> >>>> >> >>>>TIA >> >>>> >> >>>>Paul >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== >> >>>>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants >> >>>>Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 >> >>>>Penfold Resource Website: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>============================== >> >>>>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >> >>>> >> > records, >> > >> >>>go to: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== >> >>>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants >> >>>Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 >> >>>Penfold Resource Website: >> >>> >> > http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ >> > >> >>>============================== >> >>>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >> >>> >> > records, go to: >> > >> >>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== >> >>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants >> >>Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 >> >>Penfold Resource Website: >> >> >> > http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ >> > >> >>============================== >> >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >> > records, > >> >> >> > go to: >> > >> >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== >> > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants >> > Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 >> > Penfold Resource Website: >>http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ >> > >> > ============================== >> > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >>records, go to: >> > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== >>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants >>Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 >>Penfold Resource Website: >> > http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >> > go to: > >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >

Thankyou Julie I have looked at original Reigate records - such as are available and am convinced that John/Hannah moved to that area (Earlswood) after marriage but before children born. Just one question more please. Why do you say Hannah born in Ilminster? I KNOW her maiden name was Holbrook because on her marriage record to Richard it states she was the dau. of Thomas Holbrook. And yes that is the only Hannah dau of T.H. found on the IGI. But not a good reason to suppose it is the same person as so far away. Hope to clarify this as am away from Wednesday for up to three weeks in USA Regards Anthony Tinslay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > Hi Anthony > > I haven't any evidence, for anything at present, just thoughts. I only > wondered about Reigate as they were living there and I haven't seen the > records for that area. Having checked my data more carefully, however, > I am not certain the transripts I was looking at all went as late as > your marriage. I was more interested in the 18th and very early 19th > centuries at the time so may have missed them. I know nothing of Hannah > except what I found on the 1851 Census. I don't even know her maiden > name. I assumed you got it from one of her children's birth > certificates. Thomas and Edward look encouraging but not conclusive as > they were very common, so too the bricklayer link, as this was the usual > out of season occupation for ag labs in the area. > The only other Penfold in Reigate in 1851 was a Philip P. 19 b. Ifield. > I have yet to work out who he is as the only Philip P. I have bap. > Ifield or Crawley around this time died aged 14 months. > I will check my notes for anymore Reigate Penfold links I have in case > you recognise them. > > Goto go now but will be back > > Julie > Anthony Tinslay wrote: > > > Thanks for quick response. > > Now this is even more interesting. You say that the probable brother of > > Edward (John's father) was a Thomas. Well John/Hannah's children were > > Thomas, John, Eliza & Edward. Edward then had a Thomas and Edward so the > > names perpetuate. > > Yes I was aware of the 1851 Reigate census details of Hannah and the two > > sons - John senior and junior having died. I am descended from the Edward > > who had a son Thomas. Both the sons of Hannah were bricklayers - same occup. > > as the Edward of Ifield - your relative. The connections are increasing. > > However why do you surmise that the marriage John/Hannah took place in > > Reigate as I can find no record having searched. I was aware (from IGI) of a > > Hannah Holbrook dau. of Thomas H from Ilminster but what evidence do you > > have so support that this is the same person please? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> > > To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > > > > > > > >>Hi Anthony > >> > >>It does look interesting. I think the answer lies in Reigate's records > >>but I am not sure where to get them. Woking may have copies of the > >>original records on fiches, but they didn't have any transcripts. > >> > >>I only have the info off familysearch, which is that John was bap. at > >>Crawley 1 May 1803, parents Edward & Frusannah. > >> > >>I know there was a lot of movement between Crawley/Ifield and Horley and > >>Reigate. Also Charlwood, Newdigate and Rusper. Many of my Ifield > >>ancestors were bap. at Crawley. This is because Crawley parish was a > >>strange and small invention which included just the east side of the > >>High Street from the South end to where it became London Road. The west > >>side of the High Street and London Road to the north were in Ifield > >>parish. Much of what is now Crawley was in Worth and Slaugham. A > >>number of my ancestors marriages took place in Slaugham. It is > >>therefore likely that like my family (descended from Thomas presumed > >>brother of John's proposed father Edward)they did not move to Ifield but > >>were already there. > >> > >>As to the marriage of John & Hannah, I have not come across it. It was > >>probably in Reigate. I have found Hannah among my 1851 data. She was > >>still with her ne w husband plus two of her sons, Thomas Penfold 22 and > >>Edward Penfold 16. She was born Ilminster, SOM. > >> > >> > >>Sorry I have no more. Hope this helps a little. > >> > >>Best wishes > >>Julie > >> > >>Anthony Tinslay wrote: > >> > >> > Hello Julie > >> > Well this is interesting and could very "possibly" be the breakthrough > >> > > to > > > >> > all those relatives I did not know I had! > >> > Crawley is next to Ifield which is next to Reigate which is important > >> > > and > > > >> > for a fact Reigate was becoming a developing place at the turn of the > >>19th > >> > century and drew in people from nearby farming districts. > >> > My John P died in Reigate on 9 Oct 1836 age 33. Thus his birth was > >>between > >> > 10 Oct 1802 and 9 Oct 1803. Do you know birth details of the Crawley > >>John? > >> > The family moving into the Ifield Parish makes sense AND the brother > >>Edward > >> > for two reasons. > >> > 1 Edward was John/Hannah's 4th child and name was perpetuated in > >> > > later > > > >> > generations. > >> > 2 It has always been thought in my family that John had relatives > >>to the > >> > South East of Reigate as that was expressed by a long since dead Aunt > >> > > of > > > >> > mine who as a girl in c1910 played with relatives in that area. > >> > Also I understand that John/Hannah did not live actually in Reigate but > >> > rather by Earlswood > >> > Where then the marriage John/Hannah Holbrook which I also cannot > >> > > locate? > > > >> > Hannah was 35(not yet 40) in Reigate 1841 census. She was 47 in 1851 > >>census > >> > and NOT born in Surrey but living with her second husband Richard > >> > Humphrey(m. 4 Jan 1848). > >> > Any help to you > >> > Regards Anthony Tinslay > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> > >> > To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:25 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >>Hi Anthony, > >> >> > >> >>I don't want to jump to conclusions (I have yet to find a copy of > >> >>Reigate baptisms so he may have been born there). If not, however, I > >> > > am > > > >> >>looking for John b. 1803 Crawley to Edward & Frusannah (nee Brown). A > >> >>possible Reigate link is that a Frusannah Brown was born in Reigate in > >> >>1809 (obviously not the same one, but as the name is so unusual very > >> >>probably related). The only other known child of Edward and Frusanna > >> > > is > > > >> >>Edward b. 1800. He settled in Ifield and had a large family, many of > >> >>whose descendants are on this mailing list. Nothing more is known of > >> >>Edward and Frusannah until they were buried in Ifield in 1820 and 1812 > >> >>respectively. If your John is theirs, then perhaps they went to > >> > > Reigate > > > >> >>- this would account for them disappearing as Reigate is a blackhole as > >> >>far as parish records go in my experience. > >> >> > >> >>Sorry I haven't any concrete evidence but hopefully this can point you > >> >>in the right direction. > >> >> > >> >>Best wishes > >> >>Julie Martin > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>Anthony Tinslay wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>Interesting. I am still trying without success to find both birth & > >> >>>marriage location of John PENFOLD. born c1803 possibly not in Surrey > >> >>> > >> > but > >> > > >> >>>died in Reigate 1836 aged 33 after having married Hannah Holbrook and > >> >>>having four children. > >> >>>Thomas b 1828 > >> >>>John b 1830 > >> >>>Eliza b 1833 > >> >>>Edward b 1835 > >> >>>Hannah, NOT born in Surrey and marriage location not found. > >> >>>Anyone help please > >> >>>Anthony Tinslay > >> >>>----- Original Message ----- > >> >>>From: <TennisEgg1@cs.com> > >> >>>To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> > >> >>>Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 9:53 PM > >> >>>Subject: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>I have been trying for some time to trace the origin of my PENFOLD > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>ancestry. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>My 4x g grandfather Edward PENFOLD married Sarah BONIFACE in > >> >>>> > >> > Woodmancote, > >> > > >> >>>>Sussex in 1783. Sarah came from Sussex but I don't know where Edward > >> >>>> > >> > came > >> > > >> >>>>from. The first child that I have found is my ggg grandmother, Sarah > >> >>>> > >> > born > >> > > >> >>>Jan > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>1785 in Ashtead, Surrey. They had 4 other children in Ashtead and > >> > > then > > > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>one > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>in Dorking, whom I may have overlooked, except they wonderfully > >>gave him > >> >>>> > >> > a > >> > > >> >>>>second christian name of Boniface. His first name was John. > >> >>>> > >> >>>>Sarah the daughter married Henry EGGLETON in Epsom in 1805. One of > >> > > the > > > >> >>>>witnesses was John PENFOLD. Now presuming this John is not the one > >> > > born > > > >> >>>> > >> > in > >> > > >> >>>>Dorking (he was christened 1793, so would only have been 12 at > >>marriage) > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>then > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>who is this other John. Kate from Queensland sent me a marriage of > >> > > John > > > >> >>>> > >> > > >> >>>>PENFOLD and Mary LEMON in Headley (5 miles from Dorking), so was John > >> >>>> > >> > born > >> > > >> >>>>earlier maybe first born and only got christened later? > >> >>>> > >> >>>>So help please - if anyone has access to the Dorking records could > >> > > they > > > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>check > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>if it states the age of John Boniface PENFOLD on the christening > >> > > entry > > > >> >>>> > >> > 20 > >> > > >> >>>Mar > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>1793. > >> >>>> > >> >>>>Also, my gg grandfather James Eggleton (son of Henry and Sarah nee > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>Penfold) > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>married Lucy LEMON. So was Lucy related to Mary. Unusual the links > >>given > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>that > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>there are very few Penfolds and Lemons, esp in that area. Does anyone > >> >>>> > >> > have > >> > > >> >>>>the Headley records showing this marriage? > >> >>>> > >> >>>>TIA > >> >>>> > >> >>>>Paul > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > >> >>>>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > >> >>>>Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > >> >>>>Penfold Resource Website: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>============================== > >> >>>>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > >> >>>> > >> > records, > >> > > >> >>>go to: > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>> > >> >>>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > >> >>>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > >> >>>Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > >> >>>Penfold Resource Website: > >> >>> > >> > http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > >> > > >> >>>============================== > >> >>>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > >> >>> > >> > records, go to: > >> > > >> >>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > >> >>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > >> >>Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > >> >>Penfold Resource Website: > >> >> > >> > http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > >> > > >> >>============================== > >> >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > >> > > records, > > > >> >> > >> > go to: > >> > > >> >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > >> > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > >> > Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > >> > Penfold Resource Website: > >>http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > >> > > >> > ============================== > >> > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > >>records, go to: > >> > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > >>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > >>Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > >>Penfold Resource Website: > >> > > http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > > >>============================== > >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >> > > go to: > > > >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > >> > > > > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > > Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 129 > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Anthony I am a bit confused now, as I was sure the 1851 Census gave Hannah Humphrey (previously Penfold)'s birthplace as Ilminster,SOM. I have found this on the 1851 2% Extract disc (sadly I can't check this till I get my computer back). Also I have copied it from the Census copy at Woking. As you have seen this Census too and haven't found this birthplace, I am now less certain. I guess another look at the Census should tell us her correct birthplace. I would love to have details of the Penfolds you found at Reigate, as I have failed to find Reigate records so far. I am particularly hoping to find the marriage of Thomas (son of Thomas & Amy - presumed brother of Edward (Frusannah)) and his wife Elizabeth who was born Reigate. They lived at Buckland or just outside it and in 1822 and 1825 the bap. records give them as 'of Reigate'. The only other Reigate links I have (apart from the Philip I mentioned before)are:- 1) Bur. Charlwood 1836 - Lucy 63 of Reigate (I believe she may be the unmarried dau. of Thos. & Elizabeth bap. Jan 1775 Charlwood. She was still unm. in Dec 1798 when her dau. Lucy was bap. 2) 1851 Census Index - James Penfold 24 Ag. servant b. Reigate (1851 at Newdigate) 3) Marr. Buckland - Ann Penfold of Buckland to John Voice of Reigate (date unreadable but between 1780-1794) 4) Marr. Alleation - 1751 Hannah Penfold spinster 28 of Reigate marr. Simpsom Jeffery of Ryegate farmer widower 38 at Ewell. John Haws(ins?) 2nd sig. 5) Reigate Bur. - (apart from your two John's Mary 70 15/7/1832 Peter 83 27/9/1833 I don't know whether any of these mean anything to you. Sorry its not a lot. If only we could find Edward and Frusannah between 1803 and 1812. Best wishes Julie Anthony Tinslay wrote: > Thankyou Julie > I have looked at original Reigate records - such as are available and am > convinced that John/Hannah moved to that area (Earlswood) after marriage but > before children born. Just one question more please. Why do you say Hannah > born in Ilminster? I KNOW her maiden name was Holbrook because on her > marriage record to Richard it states she was the dau. of Thomas Holbrook. > And yes that is the only Hannah dau of T.H. found on the IGI. But not a good > reason to suppose it is the same person as so far away. > Hope to clarify this as am away from Wednesday for up to three weeks in USA > Regards Anthony Tinslay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> > To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:09 AM > Subject: Re: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > > > >