Hi all I was looking for something related to my BICKER family and came across the following website: http://www.lightage.demon.co.uk The site claims to list the names of over 150,000 policemen and criminals mentioned in the newspapers between 1850 and 1920. I had a quick look on the "Black Sheep" Index and there are several PENFOLDS listed. The surname lists are in pdf format and I believe that you can request further ifo from someone on the site regards Michelle (pearson) _________________________________________________________________ Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8, you can filter it out http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=32&DI=1059