Thankyou Julie I have looked at original Reigate records - such as are available and am convinced that John/Hannah moved to that area (Earlswood) after marriage but before children born. Just one question more please. Why do you say Hannah born in Ilminster? I KNOW her maiden name was Holbrook because on her marriage record to Richard it states she was the dau. of Thomas Holbrook. And yes that is the only Hannah dau of T.H. found on the IGI. But not a good reason to suppose it is the same person as so far away. Hope to clarify this as am away from Wednesday for up to three weeks in USA Regards Anthony Tinslay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > Hi Anthony > > I haven't any evidence, for anything at present, just thoughts. I only > wondered about Reigate as they were living there and I haven't seen the > records for that area. Having checked my data more carefully, however, > I am not certain the transripts I was looking at all went as late as > your marriage. I was more interested in the 18th and very early 19th > centuries at the time so may have missed them. I know nothing of Hannah > except what I found on the 1851 Census. I don't even know her maiden > name. I assumed you got it from one of her children's birth > certificates. Thomas and Edward look encouraging but not conclusive as > they were very common, so too the bricklayer link, as this was the usual > out of season occupation for ag labs in the area. > The only other Penfold in Reigate in 1851 was a Philip P. 19 b. Ifield. > I have yet to work out who he is as the only Philip P. I have bap. > Ifield or Crawley around this time died aged 14 months. > I will check my notes for anymore Reigate Penfold links I have in case > you recognise them. > > Goto go now but will be back > > Julie > Anthony Tinslay wrote: > > > Thanks for quick response. > > Now this is even more interesting. You say that the probable brother of > > Edward (John's father) was a Thomas. Well John/Hannah's children were > > Thomas, John, Eliza & Edward. Edward then had a Thomas and Edward so the > > names perpetuate. > > Yes I was aware of the 1851 Reigate census details of Hannah and the two > > sons - John senior and junior having died. I am descended from the Edward > > who had a son Thomas. Both the sons of Hannah were bricklayers - same occup. > > as the Edward of Ifield - your relative. The connections are increasing. > > However why do you surmise that the marriage John/Hannah took place in > > Reigate as I can find no record having searched. I was aware (from IGI) of a > > Hannah Holbrook dau. of Thomas H from Ilminster but what evidence do you > > have so support that this is the same person please? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> > > To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > > > > > > > >>Hi Anthony > >> > >>It does look interesting. I think the answer lies in Reigate's records > >>but I am not sure where to get them. Woking may have copies of the > >>original records on fiches, but they didn't have any transcripts. > >> > >>I only have the info off familysearch, which is that John was bap. at > >>Crawley 1 May 1803, parents Edward & Frusannah. > >> > >>I know there was a lot of movement between Crawley/Ifield and Horley and > >>Reigate. Also Charlwood, Newdigate and Rusper. Many of my Ifield > >>ancestors were bap. at Crawley. This is because Crawley parish was a > >>strange and small invention which included just the east side of the > >>High Street from the South end to where it became London Road. The west > >>side of the High Street and London Road to the north were in Ifield > >>parish. Much of what is now Crawley was in Worth and Slaugham. A > >>number of my ancestors marriages took place in Slaugham. It is > >>therefore likely that like my family (descended from Thomas presumed > >>brother of John's proposed father Edward)they did not move to Ifield but > >>were already there. > >> > >>As to the marriage of John & Hannah, I have not come across it. It was > >>probably in Reigate. I have found Hannah among my 1851 data. She was > >>still with her ne w husband plus two of her sons, Thomas Penfold 22 and > >>Edward Penfold 16. She was born Ilminster, SOM. > >> > >> > >>Sorry I have no more. Hope this helps a little. > >> > >>Best wishes > >>Julie > >> > >>Anthony Tinslay wrote: > >> > >> > Hello Julie > >> > Well this is interesting and could very "possibly" be the breakthrough > >> > > to > > > >> > all those relatives I did not know I had! > >> > Crawley is next to Ifield which is next to Reigate which is important > >> > > and > > > >> > for a fact Reigate was becoming a developing place at the turn of the > >>19th > >> > century and drew in people from nearby farming districts. > >> > My John P died in Reigate on 9 Oct 1836 age 33. Thus his birth was > >>between > >> > 10 Oct 1802 and 9 Oct 1803. Do you know birth details of the Crawley > >>John? > >> > The family moving into the Ifield Parish makes sense AND the brother > >>Edward > >> > for two reasons. > >> > 1 Edward was John/Hannah's 4th child and name was perpetuated in > >> > > later > > > >> > generations. > >> > 2 It has always been thought in my family that John had relatives > >>to the > >> > South East of Reigate as that was expressed by a long since dead Aunt > >> > > of > > > >> > mine who as a girl in c1910 played with relatives in that area. > >> > Also I understand that John/Hannah did not live actually in Reigate but > >> > rather by Earlswood > >> > Where then the marriage John/Hannah Holbrook which I also cannot > >> > > locate? > > > >> > Hannah was 35(not yet 40) in Reigate 1841 census. She was 47 in 1851 > >>census > >> > and NOT born in Surrey but living with her second husband Richard > >> > Humphrey(m. 4 Jan 1848). > >> > Any help to you > >> > Regards Anthony Tinslay > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> > >> > To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:25 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >>Hi Anthony, > >> >> > >> >>I don't want to jump to conclusions (I have yet to find a copy of > >> >>Reigate baptisms so he may have been born there). If not, however, I > >> > > am > > > >> >>looking for John b. 1803 Crawley to Edward & Frusannah (nee Brown). A > >> >>possible Reigate link is that a Frusannah Brown was born in Reigate in > >> >>1809 (obviously not the same one, but as the name is so unusual very > >> >>probably related). The only other known child of Edward and Frusanna > >> > > is > > > >> >>Edward b. 1800. He settled in Ifield and had a large family, many of > >> >>whose descendants are on this mailing list. Nothing more is known of > >> >>Edward and Frusannah until they were buried in Ifield in 1820 and 1812 > >> >>respectively. If your John is theirs, then perhaps they went to > >> > > Reigate > > > >> >>- this would account for them disappearing as Reigate is a blackhole as > >> >>far as parish records go in my experience. > >> >> > >> >>Sorry I haven't any concrete evidence but hopefully this can point you > >> >>in the right direction. > >> >> > >> >>Best wishes > >> >>Julie Martin > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>Anthony Tinslay wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>Interesting. I am still trying without success to find both birth & > >> >>>marriage location of John PENFOLD. born c1803 possibly not in Surrey > >> >>> > >> > but > >> > > >> >>>died in Reigate 1836 aged 33 after having married Hannah Holbrook and > >> >>>having four children. > >> >>>Thomas b 1828 > >> >>>John b 1830 > >> >>>Eliza b 1833 > >> >>>Edward b 1835 > >> >>>Hannah, NOT born in Surrey and marriage location not found. > >> >>>Anyone help please > >> >>>Anthony Tinslay > >> >>>----- Original Message ----- > >> >>>From: <TennisEgg1@cs.com> > >> >>>To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> > >> >>>Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 9:53 PM > >> >>>Subject: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>I have been trying for some time to trace the origin of my PENFOLD > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>ancestry. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>My 4x g grandfather Edward PENFOLD married Sarah BONIFACE in > >> >>>> > >> > Woodmancote, > >> > > >> >>>>Sussex in 1783. Sarah came from Sussex but I don't know where Edward > >> >>>> > >> > came > >> > > >> >>>>from. The first child that I have found is my ggg grandmother, Sarah > >> >>>> > >> > born > >> > > >> >>>Jan > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>1785 in Ashtead, Surrey. They had 4 other children in Ashtead and > >> > > then > > > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>one > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>in Dorking, whom I may have overlooked, except they wonderfully > >>gave him > >> >>>> > >> > a > >> > > >> >>>>second christian name of Boniface. His first name was John. > >> >>>> > >> >>>>Sarah the daughter married Henry EGGLETON in Epsom in 1805. One of > >> > > the > > > >> >>>>witnesses was John PENFOLD. Now presuming this John is not the one > >> > > born > > > >> >>>> > >> > in > >> > > >> >>>>Dorking (he was christened 1793, so would only have been 12 at > >>marriage) > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>then > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>who is this other John. Kate from Queensland sent me a marriage of > >> > > John > > > >> >>>> > >> > > >> >>>>PENFOLD and Mary LEMON in Headley (5 miles from Dorking), so was John > >> >>>> > >> > born > >> > > >> >>>>earlier maybe first born and only got christened later? > >> >>>> > >> >>>>So help please - if anyone has access to the Dorking records could > >> > > they > > > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>check > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>if it states the age of John Boniface PENFOLD on the christening > >> > > entry > > > >> >>>> > >> > 20 > >> > > >> >>>Mar > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>1793. > >> >>>> > >> >>>>Also, my gg grandfather James Eggleton (son of Henry and Sarah nee > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>Penfold) > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>married Lucy LEMON. So was Lucy related to Mary. Unusual the links > >>given > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>that > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>there are very few Penfolds and Lemons, esp in that area. Does anyone > >> >>>> > >> > have > >> > > >> >>>>the Headley records showing this marriage? > >> >>>> > >> >>>>TIA > >> >>>> > >> >>>>Paul > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > >> >>>>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > >> >>>>Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > >> >>>>Penfold Resource Website: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>============================== > >> >>>>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > >> >>>> > >> > records, > >> > > >> >>>go to: > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>> > >> >>>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > >> >>>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > >> >>>Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > >> >>>Penfold Resource Website: > >> >>> > >> > http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > >> > > >> >>>============================== > >> >>>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > >> >>> > >> > records, go to: > >> > > >> >>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > >> >>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > >> >>Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > >> >>Penfold Resource Website: > >> >> > >> > http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > >> > > >> >>============================== > >> >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > >> > > records, > > > >> >> > >> > go to: > >> > > >> >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > >> > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > >> > Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > >> > Penfold Resource Website: > >>http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > >> > > >> > ============================== > >> > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > >>records, go to: > >> > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > >>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > >>Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > >>Penfold Resource Website: > >> > > http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > > >>============================== > >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >> > > go to: > > > >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > >> > > > > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > > Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 129 > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello Trevor, Hope you are well. This looks very interesting. Did you send all the information you have or would you like me to send my part? Take Care, Julie. > From: "Trevor Penfold" <penfold@charis.co.uk> > Reply-To: PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 12:25:03 +0100 > To: PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Penfold] New worldwide Project for Genealogy > Resent-From: PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 05:27:28 -0600 > > Hi all, > > You might be interested in the following that was sent to me yesterday. I > have subscribed (free) myself and it looks to be very promising. > > Best regards, > > Trevor > > QUOTE > > Hello Trevor, > > I saw on an Internet Page that you're looking for information about surnames > like PENFOLD or PENNEFATHER > and I'd like to take this opportunity to invite you to have a look at the > GedLink Project. > > GedLink is a new project (started last year), whose aim is to connect people > researching their family histories in a very simple, efficient and SECURE > way. > > Give GedLink a family name and instantly a world map appears, indicating the > various > locations around the world where someone has information about your name... > > Right now, more than 70,000 people in 68 countries are participating - > sharing more than 7 million names in a database you can search. > Most of the current participants come from Canada, France, Germany and we > would like > to invite more people in the U.S.,U.K., Australia, New Zealand and > elsewhere, to > participate in this project. > > You can learn more about GedLink, why to participate and how to share your > data at > www.gedlink.com <http://www.gedlink.com> I'm sure you'll find it easy to > use. > > > Feel free to contact me, > > Olivier Hergault > -GedLink Project- > P.S. > You may have seen information on becoming a paying member to support this > project, > but there is no obligation. GedLink is basically FREE OF CHARGE. > GedLink is relatively new, so feel free to send us your comments and > suggestions. We are constantly improving it ! > > UNQUOTE > > > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 133 > Penfold Resource Website: > http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Anthony I haven't any evidence, for anything at present, just thoughts. I only wondered about Reigate as they were living there and I haven't seen the records for that area. Having checked my data more carefully, however, I am not certain the transripts I was looking at all went as late as your marriage. I was more interested in the 18th and very early 19th centuries at the time so may have missed them. I know nothing of Hannah except what I found on the 1851 Census. I don't even know her maiden name. I assumed you got it from one of her children's birth certificates. Thomas and Edward look encouraging but not conclusive as they were very common, so too the bricklayer link, as this was the usual out of season occupation for ag labs in the area. The only other Penfold in Reigate in 1851 was a Philip P. 19 b. Ifield. I have yet to work out who he is as the only Philip P. I have bap. Ifield or Crawley around this time died aged 14 months. I will check my notes for anymore Reigate Penfold links I have in case you recognise them. Goto go now but will be back Julie Anthony Tinslay wrote: > Thanks for quick response. > Now this is even more interesting. You say that the probable brother of > Edward (John's father) was a Thomas. Well John/Hannah's children were > Thomas, John, Eliza & Edward. Edward then had a Thomas and Edward so the > names perpetuate. > Yes I was aware of the 1851 Reigate census details of Hannah and the two > sons - John senior and junior having died. I am descended from the Edward > who had a son Thomas. Both the sons of Hannah were bricklayers - same occup. > as the Edward of Ifield - your relative. The connections are increasing. > However why do you surmise that the marriage John/Hannah took place in > Reigate as I can find no record having searched. I was aware (from IGI) of a > Hannah Holbrook dau. of Thomas H from Ilminster but what evidence do you > have so support that this is the same person please? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> > To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > > > >>Hi Anthony >> >>It does look interesting. I think the answer lies in Reigate's records >>but I am not sure where to get them. Woking may have copies of the >>original records on fiches, but they didn't have any transcripts. >> >>I only have the info off familysearch, which is that John was bap. at >>Crawley 1 May 1803, parents Edward & Frusannah. >> >>I know there was a lot of movement between Crawley/Ifield and Horley and >>Reigate. Also Charlwood, Newdigate and Rusper. Many of my Ifield >>ancestors were bap. at Crawley. This is because Crawley parish was a >>strange and small invention which included just the east side of the >>High Street from the South end to where it became London Road. The west >>side of the High Street and London Road to the north were in Ifield >>parish. Much of what is now Crawley was in Worth and Slaugham. A >>number of my ancestors marriages took place in Slaugham. It is >>therefore likely that like my family (descended from Thomas presumed >>brother of John's proposed father Edward)they did not move to Ifield but >>were already there. >> >>As to the marriage of John & Hannah, I have not come across it. It was >>probably in Reigate. I have found Hannah among my 1851 data. She was >>still with her ne w husband plus two of her sons, Thomas Penfold 22 and >>Edward Penfold 16. She was born Ilminster, SOM. >> >> >>Sorry I have no more. Hope this helps a little. >> >>Best wishes >>Julie >> >>Anthony Tinslay wrote: >> >> > Hello Julie >> > Well this is interesting and could very "possibly" be the breakthrough >> > to > >> > all those relatives I did not know I had! >> > Crawley is next to Ifield which is next to Reigate which is important >> > and > >> > for a fact Reigate was becoming a developing place at the turn of the >>19th >> > century and drew in people from nearby farming districts. >> > My John P died in Reigate on 9 Oct 1836 age 33. Thus his birth was >>between >> > 10 Oct 1802 and 9 Oct 1803. Do you know birth details of the Crawley >>John? >> > The family moving into the Ifield Parish makes sense AND the brother >>Edward >> > for two reasons. >> > 1 Edward was John/Hannah's 4th child and name was perpetuated in >> > later > >> > generations. >> > 2 It has always been thought in my family that John had relatives >>to the >> > South East of Reigate as that was expressed by a long since dead Aunt >> > of > >> > mine who as a girl in c1910 played with relatives in that area. >> > Also I understand that John/Hannah did not live actually in Reigate but >> > rather by Earlswood >> > Where then the marriage John/Hannah Holbrook which I also cannot >> > locate? > >> > Hannah was 35(not yet 40) in Reigate 1841 census. She was 47 in 1851 >>census >> > and NOT born in Surrey but living with her second husband Richard >> > Humphrey(m. 4 Jan 1848). >> > Any help to you >> > Regards Anthony Tinslay >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> >> > To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:25 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON >> > >> > >> > >> >>Hi Anthony, >> >> >> >>I don't want to jump to conclusions (I have yet to find a copy of >> >>Reigate baptisms so he may have been born there). If not, however, I >> > am > >> >>looking for John b. 1803 Crawley to Edward & Frusannah (nee Brown). A >> >>possible Reigate link is that a Frusannah Brown was born in Reigate in >> >>1809 (obviously not the same one, but as the name is so unusual very >> >>probably related). The only other known child of Edward and Frusanna >> > is > >> >>Edward b. 1800. He settled in Ifield and had a large family, many of >> >>whose descendants are on this mailing list. Nothing more is known of >> >>Edward and Frusannah until they were buried in Ifield in 1820 and 1812 >> >>respectively. If your John is theirs, then perhaps they went to >> > Reigate > >> >>- this would account for them disappearing as Reigate is a blackhole as >> >>far as parish records go in my experience. >> >> >> >>Sorry I haven't any concrete evidence but hopefully this can point you >> >>in the right direction. >> >> >> >>Best wishes >> >>Julie Martin >> >> >> >> >> >>Anthony Tinslay wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>Interesting. I am still trying without success to find both birth & >> >>>marriage location of John PENFOLD. born c1803 possibly not in Surrey >> >>> >> > but >> > >> >>>died in Reigate 1836 aged 33 after having married Hannah Holbrook and >> >>>having four children. >> >>>Thomas b 1828 >> >>>John b 1830 >> >>>Eliza b 1833 >> >>>Edward b 1835 >> >>>Hannah, NOT born in Surrey and marriage location not found. >> >>>Anyone help please >> >>>Anthony Tinslay >> >>>----- Original Message ----- >> >>>From: <TennisEgg1@cs.com> >> >>>To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> >> >>>Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 9:53 PM >> >>>Subject: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>I have been trying for some time to trace the origin of my PENFOLD >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>ancestry. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>My 4x g grandfather Edward PENFOLD married Sarah BONIFACE in >> >>>> >> > Woodmancote, >> > >> >>>>Sussex in 1783. Sarah came from Sussex but I don't know where Edward >> >>>> >> > came >> > >> >>>>from. The first child that I have found is my ggg grandmother, Sarah >> >>>> >> > born >> > >> >>>Jan >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>1785 in Ashtead, Surrey. They had 4 other children in Ashtead and >> > then > >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>one >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>in Dorking, whom I may have overlooked, except they wonderfully >>gave him >> >>>> >> > a >> > >> >>>>second christian name of Boniface. His first name was John. >> >>>> >> >>>>Sarah the daughter married Henry EGGLETON in Epsom in 1805. One of >> > the > >> >>>>witnesses was John PENFOLD. Now presuming this John is not the one >> > born > >> >>>> >> > in >> > >> >>>>Dorking (he was christened 1793, so would only have been 12 at >>marriage) >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>then >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>who is this other John. Kate from Queensland sent me a marriage of >> > John > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>PENFOLD and Mary LEMON in Headley (5 miles from Dorking), so was John >> >>>> >> > born >> > >> >>>>earlier maybe first born and only got christened later? >> >>>> >> >>>>So help please - if anyone has access to the Dorking records could >> > they > >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>check >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>if it states the age of John Boniface PENFOLD on the christening >> > entry > >> >>>> >> > 20 >> > >> >>>Mar >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>1793. >> >>>> >> >>>>Also, my gg grandfather James Eggleton (son of Henry and Sarah nee >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>Penfold) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>married Lucy LEMON. So was Lucy related to Mary. Unusual the links >>given >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>that >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>there are very few Penfolds and Lemons, esp in that area. Does anyone >> >>>> >> > have >> > >> >>>>the Headley records showing this marriage? >> >>>> >> >>>>TIA >> >>>> >> >>>>Paul >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== >> >>>>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants >> >>>>Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 >> >>>>Penfold Resource Website: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>============================== >> >>>>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >> >>>> >> > records, >> > >> >>>go to: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== >> >>>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants >> >>>Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 >> >>>Penfold Resource Website: >> >>> >> > http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ >> > >> >>>============================== >> >>>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >> >>> >> > records, go to: >> > >> >>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== >> >>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants >> >>Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 >> >>Penfold Resource Website: >> >> >> > http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ >> > >> >>============================== >> >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >> > records, > >> >> >> > go to: >> > >> >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== >> > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants >> > Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 >> > Penfold Resource Website: >>http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ >> > >> > ============================== >> > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >>records, go to: >> > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== >>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants >>Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 >>Penfold Resource Website: >> > http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >> > go to: > >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >

Thanks for quick response. Now this is even more interesting. You say that the probable brother of Edward (John's father) was a Thomas. Well John/Hannah's children were Thomas, John, Eliza & Edward. Edward then had a Thomas and Edward so the names perpetuate. Yes I was aware of the 1851 Reigate census details of Hannah and the two sons - John senior and junior having died. I am descended from the Edward who had a son Thomas. Both the sons of Hannah were bricklayers - same occup. as the Edward of Ifield - your relative. The connections are increasing. However why do you surmise that the marriage John/Hannah took place in Reigate as I can find no record having searched. I was aware (from IGI) of a Hannah Holbrook dau. of Thomas H from Ilminster but what evidence do you have so support that this is the same person please? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > Hi Anthony > > It does look interesting. I think the answer lies in Reigate's records > but I am not sure where to get them. Woking may have copies of the > original records on fiches, but they didn't have any transcripts. > > I only have the info off familysearch, which is that John was bap. at > Crawley 1 May 1803, parents Edward & Frusannah. > > I know there was a lot of movement between Crawley/Ifield and Horley and > Reigate. Also Charlwood, Newdigate and Rusper. Many of my Ifield > ancestors were bap. at Crawley. This is because Crawley parish was a > strange and small invention which included just the east side of the > High Street from the South end to where it became London Road. The west > side of the High Street and London Road to the north were in Ifield > parish. Much of what is now Crawley was in Worth and Slaugham. A > number of my ancestors marriages took place in Slaugham. It is > therefore likely that like my family (descended from Thomas presumed > brother of John's proposed father Edward)they did not move to Ifield but > were already there. > > As to the marriage of John & Hannah, I have not come across it. It was > probably in Reigate. I have found Hannah among my 1851 data. She was > still with her ne w husband plus two of her sons, Thomas Penfold 22 and > Edward Penfold 16. She was born Ilminster, SOM. > > > Sorry I have no more. Hope this helps a little. > > Best wishes > Julie > > Anthony Tinslay wrote: > > > Hello Julie > > Well this is interesting and could very "possibly" be the breakthrough to > > all those relatives I did not know I had! > > Crawley is next to Ifield which is next to Reigate which is important and > > for a fact Reigate was becoming a developing place at the turn of the > 19th > > century and drew in people from nearby farming districts. > > My John P died in Reigate on 9 Oct 1836 age 33. Thus his birth was > between > > 10 Oct 1802 and 9 Oct 1803. Do you know birth details of the Crawley > John? > > The family moving into the Ifield Parish makes sense AND the brother > Edward > > for two reasons. > > 1 Edward was John/Hannah's 4th child and name was perpetuated in later > > generations. > > 2 It has always been thought in my family that John had relatives > to the > > South East of Reigate as that was expressed by a long since dead Aunt of > > mine who as a girl in c1910 played with relatives in that area. > > Also I understand that John/Hannah did not live actually in Reigate but > > rather by Earlswood > > Where then the marriage John/Hannah Holbrook which I also cannot locate? > > Hannah was 35(not yet 40) in Reigate 1841 census. She was 47 in 1851 > census > > and NOT born in Surrey but living with her second husband Richard > > Humphrey(m. 4 Jan 1848). > > Any help to you > > Regards Anthony Tinslay > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> > > To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > > > > > > > >>Hi Anthony, > >> > >>I don't want to jump to conclusions (I have yet to find a copy of > >>Reigate baptisms so he may have been born there). If not, however, I am > >>looking for John b. 1803 Crawley to Edward & Frusannah (nee Brown). A > >>possible Reigate link is that a Frusannah Brown was born in Reigate in > >>1809 (obviously not the same one, but as the name is so unusual very > >>probably related). The only other known child of Edward and Frusanna is > >>Edward b. 1800. He settled in Ifield and had a large family, many of > >>whose descendants are on this mailing list. Nothing more is known of > >>Edward and Frusannah until they were buried in Ifield in 1820 and 1812 > >>respectively. If your John is theirs, then perhaps they went to Reigate > >>- this would account for them disappearing as Reigate is a blackhole as > >>far as parish records go in my experience. > >> > >>Sorry I haven't any concrete evidence but hopefully this can point you > >>in the right direction. > >> > >>Best wishes > >>Julie Martin > >> > >> > >>Anthony Tinslay wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Interesting. I am still trying without success to find both birth & > >>>marriage location of John PENFOLD. born c1803 possibly not in Surrey > >>> > > but > > > >>>died in Reigate 1836 aged 33 after having married Hannah Holbrook and > >>>having four children. > >>>Thomas b 1828 > >>>John b 1830 > >>>Eliza b 1833 > >>>Edward b 1835 > >>>Hannah, NOT born in Surrey and marriage location not found. > >>>Anyone help please > >>>Anthony Tinslay > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: <TennisEgg1@cs.com> > >>>To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> > >>>Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 9:53 PM > >>>Subject: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>I have been trying for some time to trace the origin of my PENFOLD > >>>> > >>>> > >>>ancestry. > >>> > >>> > >>>>My 4x g grandfather Edward PENFOLD married Sarah BONIFACE in > >>>> > > Woodmancote, > > > >>>>Sussex in 1783. Sarah came from Sussex but I don't know where Edward > >>>> > > came > > > >>>>from. The first child that I have found is my ggg grandmother, Sarah > >>>> > > born > > > >>>Jan > >>> > >>> > >>>>1785 in Ashtead, Surrey. They had 4 other children in Ashtead and then > >>>> > >>>> > >>>one > >>> > >>> > >>>>in Dorking, whom I may have overlooked, except they wonderfully > gave him > >>>> > > a > > > >>>>second christian name of Boniface. His first name was John. > >>>> > >>>>Sarah the daughter married Henry EGGLETON in Epsom in 1805. One of the > >>>>witnesses was John PENFOLD. Now presuming this John is not the one born > >>>> > > in > > > >>>>Dorking (he was christened 1793, so would only have been 12 at > marriage) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>then > >>> > >>> > >>>>who is this other John. Kate from Queensland sent me a marriage of John > >>>> > > > >>>>PENFOLD and Mary LEMON in Headley (5 miles from Dorking), so was John > >>>> > > born > > > >>>>earlier maybe first born and only got christened later? > >>>> > >>>>So help please - if anyone has access to the Dorking records could they > >>>> > >>>> > >>>check > >>> > >>> > >>>>if it states the age of John Boniface PENFOLD on the christening entry > >>>> > > 20 > > > >>>Mar > >>> > >>> > >>>>1793. > >>>> > >>>>Also, my gg grandfather James Eggleton (son of Henry and Sarah nee > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Penfold) > >>> > >>> > >>>>married Lucy LEMON. So was Lucy related to Mary. Unusual the links > given > >>>> > >>>> > >>>that > >>> > >>> > >>>>there are very few Penfolds and Lemons, esp in that area. Does anyone > >>>> > > have > > > >>>>the Headley records showing this marriage? > >>>> > >>>>TIA > >>>> > >>>>Paul > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > >>>>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > >>>>Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > >>>>Penfold Resource Website: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > >>> > >>> > >>>>============================== > >>>>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > >>>> > > records, > > > >>>go to: > >>> > >>> > >>>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > >>>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > >>>Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > >>>Penfold Resource Website: > >>> > > http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > > >>>============================== > >>>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > >>> > > records, go to: > > > >>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > >>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > >>Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > >>Penfold Resource Website: > >> > > http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > > >>============================== > >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >> > > go to: > > > >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > >> > > > > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > > Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > > Penfold Resource Website: > http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Anthony It does look interesting. I think the answer lies in Reigate's records but I am not sure where to get them. Woking may have copies of the original records on fiches, but they didn't have any transcripts. I only have the info off familysearch, which is that John was bap. at Crawley 1 May 1803, parents Edward & Frusannah. I know there was a lot of movement between Crawley/Ifield and Horley and Reigate. Also Charlwood, Newdigate and Rusper. Many of my Ifield ancestors were bap. at Crawley. This is because Crawley parish was a strange and small invention which included just the east side of the High Street from the South end to where it became London Road. The west side of the High Street and London Road to the north were in Ifield parish. Much of what is now Crawley was in Worth and Slaugham. A number of my ancestors marriages took place in Slaugham. It is therefore likely that like my family (descended from Thomas presumed brother of John's proposed father Edward)they did not move to Ifield but were already there. As to the marriage of John & Hannah, I have not come across it. It was probably in Reigate. I have found Hannah among my 1851 data. She was still with her ne w husband plus two of her sons, Thomas Penfold 22 and Edward Penfold 16. She was born Ilminster, SOM. Sorry I have no more. Hope this helps a little. Best wishes Julie Anthony Tinslay wrote: > Hello Julie > Well this is interesting and could very "possibly" be the breakthrough to > all those relatives I did not know I had! > Crawley is next to Ifield which is next to Reigate which is important and > for a fact Reigate was becoming a developing place at the turn of the 19th > century and drew in people from nearby farming districts. > My John P died in Reigate on 9 Oct 1836 age 33. Thus his birth was between > 10 Oct 1802 and 9 Oct 1803. Do you know birth details of the Crawley John? > The family moving into the Ifield Parish makes sense AND the brother Edward > for two reasons. > 1 Edward was John/Hannah's 4th child and name was perpetuated in later > generations. > 2 It has always been thought in my family that John had relatives to the > South East of Reigate as that was expressed by a long since dead Aunt of > mine who as a girl in c1910 played with relatives in that area. > Also I understand that John/Hannah did not live actually in Reigate but > rather by Earlswood > Where then the marriage John/Hannah Holbrook which I also cannot locate? > Hannah was 35(not yet 40) in Reigate 1841 census. She was 47 in 1851 census > and NOT born in Surrey but living with her second husband Richard > Humphrey(m. 4 Jan 1848). > Any help to you > Regards Anthony Tinslay > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> > To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:25 PM > Subject: Re: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > > > >>Hi Anthony, >> >>I don't want to jump to conclusions (I have yet to find a copy of >>Reigate baptisms so he may have been born there). If not, however, I am >>looking for John b. 1803 Crawley to Edward & Frusannah (nee Brown). A >>possible Reigate link is that a Frusannah Brown was born in Reigate in >>1809 (obviously not the same one, but as the name is so unusual very >>probably related). The only other known child of Edward and Frusanna is >>Edward b. 1800. He settled in Ifield and had a large family, many of >>whose descendants are on this mailing list. Nothing more is known of >>Edward and Frusannah until they were buried in Ifield in 1820 and 1812 >>respectively. If your John is theirs, then perhaps they went to Reigate >>- this would account for them disappearing as Reigate is a blackhole as >>far as parish records go in my experience. >> >>Sorry I haven't any concrete evidence but hopefully this can point you >>in the right direction. >> >>Best wishes >>Julie Martin >> >> >>Anthony Tinslay wrote: >> >> >>>Interesting. I am still trying without success to find both birth & >>>marriage location of John PENFOLD. born c1803 possibly not in Surrey >>> > but > >>>died in Reigate 1836 aged 33 after having married Hannah Holbrook and >>>having four children. >>>Thomas b 1828 >>>John b 1830 >>>Eliza b 1833 >>>Edward b 1835 >>>Hannah, NOT born in Surrey and marriage location not found. >>>Anyone help please >>>Anthony Tinslay >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: <TennisEgg1@cs.com> >>>To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 9:53 PM >>>Subject: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I have been trying for some time to trace the origin of my PENFOLD >>>> >>>> >>>ancestry. >>> >>> >>>>My 4x g grandfather Edward PENFOLD married Sarah BONIFACE in >>>> > Woodmancote, > >>>>Sussex in 1783. Sarah came from Sussex but I don't know where Edward >>>> > came > >>>>from. The first child that I have found is my ggg grandmother, Sarah >>>> > born > >>>Jan >>> >>> >>>>1785 in Ashtead, Surrey. They had 4 other children in Ashtead and then >>>> >>>> >>>one >>> >>> >>>>in Dorking, whom I may have overlooked, except they wonderfully gave him >>>> > a > >>>>second christian name of Boniface. His first name was John. >>>> >>>>Sarah the daughter married Henry EGGLETON in Epsom in 1805. One of the >>>>witnesses was John PENFOLD. Now presuming this John is not the one born >>>> > in > >>>>Dorking (he was christened 1793, so would only have been 12 at marriage) >>>> >>>> >>>then >>> >>> >>>>who is this other John. Kate from Queensland sent me a marriage of John >>>> > >>>>PENFOLD and Mary LEMON in Headley (5 miles from Dorking), so was John >>>> > born > >>>>earlier maybe first born and only got christened later? >>>> >>>>So help please - if anyone has access to the Dorking records could they >>>> >>>> >>>check >>> >>> >>>>if it states the age of John Boniface PENFOLD on the christening entry >>>> > 20 > >>>Mar >>> >>> >>>>1793. >>>> >>>>Also, my gg grandfather James Eggleton (son of Henry and Sarah nee >>>> >>>> >>>Penfold) >>> >>> >>>>married Lucy LEMON. So was Lucy related to Mary. Unusual the links given >>>> >>>> >>>that >>> >>> >>>>there are very few Penfolds and Lemons, esp in that area. Does anyone >>>> > have > >>>>the Headley records showing this marriage? >>>> >>>>TIA >>>> >>>>Paul >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== >>>>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants >>>>Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 >>>>Penfold Resource Website: >>>> >>>> >>>http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ >>> >>> >>>>============================== >>>>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >>>> > records, > >>>go to: >>> >>> >>>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== >>>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants >>>Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 >>>Penfold Resource Website: >>> > http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > >>>============================== >>>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >>> > records, go to: > >>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== >>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants >>Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 >>Penfold Resource Website: >> > http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >> > go to: > >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >

Hello Julie Well this is interesting and could very "possibly" be the breakthrough to all those relatives I did not know I had! Crawley is next to Ifield which is next to Reigate which is important and for a fact Reigate was becoming a developing place at the turn of the 19th century and drew in people from nearby farming districts. My John P died in Reigate on 9 Oct 1836 age 33. Thus his birth was between 10 Oct 1802 and 9 Oct 1803. Do you know birth details of the Crawley John? The family moving into the Ifield Parish makes sense AND the brother Edward for two reasons. 1 Edward was John/Hannah's 4th child and name was perpetuated in later generations. 2 It has always been thought in my family that John had relatives to the South East of Reigate as that was expressed by a long since dead Aunt of mine who as a girl in c1910 played with relatives in that area. Also I understand that John/Hannah did not live actually in Reigate but rather by Earlswood Where then the marriage John/Hannah Holbrook which I also cannot locate? Hannah was 35(not yet 40) in Reigate 1841 census. She was 47 in 1851 census and NOT born in Surrey but living with her second husband Richard Humphrey(m. 4 Jan 1848). Any help to you Regards Anthony Tinslay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > Hi Anthony, > > I don't want to jump to conclusions (I have yet to find a copy of > Reigate baptisms so he may have been born there). If not, however, I am > looking for John b. 1803 Crawley to Edward & Frusannah (nee Brown). A > possible Reigate link is that a Frusannah Brown was born in Reigate in > 1809 (obviously not the same one, but as the name is so unusual very > probably related). The only other known child of Edward and Frusanna is > Edward b. 1800. He settled in Ifield and had a large family, many of > whose descendants are on this mailing list. Nothing more is known of > Edward and Frusannah until they were buried in Ifield in 1820 and 1812 > respectively. If your John is theirs, then perhaps they went to Reigate > - this would account for them disappearing as Reigate is a blackhole as > far as parish records go in my experience. > > Sorry I haven't any concrete evidence but hopefully this can point you > in the right direction. > > Best wishes > Julie Martin > > > Anthony Tinslay wrote: > > > Interesting. I am still trying without success to find both birth & > > marriage location of John PENFOLD. born c1803 possibly not in Surrey but > > died in Reigate 1836 aged 33 after having married Hannah Holbrook and > > having four children. > > Thomas b 1828 > > John b 1830 > > Eliza b 1833 > > Edward b 1835 > > Hannah, NOT born in Surrey and marriage location not found. > > Anyone help please > > Anthony Tinslay > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <TennisEgg1@cs.com> > > To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 9:53 PM > > Subject: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > > > > > > > >>I have been trying for some time to trace the origin of my PENFOLD > >> > > ancestry. > > > >>My 4x g grandfather Edward PENFOLD married Sarah BONIFACE in Woodmancote, > >>Sussex in 1783. Sarah came from Sussex but I don't know where Edward came > >>from. The first child that I have found is my ggg grandmother, Sarah born > >> > > Jan > > > >>1785 in Ashtead, Surrey. They had 4 other children in Ashtead and then > >> > > one > > > >>in Dorking, whom I may have overlooked, except they wonderfully gave him a > >>second christian name of Boniface. His first name was John. > >> > >>Sarah the daughter married Henry EGGLETON in Epsom in 1805. One of the > >>witnesses was John PENFOLD. Now presuming this John is not the one born in > >>Dorking (he was christened 1793, so would only have been 12 at marriage) > >> > > then > > > >>who is this other John. Kate from Queensland sent me a marriage of John > >>PENFOLD and Mary LEMON in Headley (5 miles from Dorking), so was John born > >>earlier maybe first born and only got christened later? > >> > >>So help please - if anyone has access to the Dorking records could they > >> > > check > > > >>if it states the age of John Boniface PENFOLD on the christening entry 20 > >> > > Mar > > > >>1793. > >> > >>Also, my gg grandfather James Eggleton (son of Henry and Sarah nee > >> > > Penfold) > > > >>married Lucy LEMON. So was Lucy related to Mary. Unusual the links given > >> > > that > > > >>there are very few Penfolds and Lemons, esp in that area. Does anyone have > >>the Headley records showing this marriage? > >> > >>TIA > >> > >>Paul > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > >>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > >>Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > >>Penfold Resource Website: > >> > > http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > > >>============================== > >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >> > > go to: > > > >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > > Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Anthony, I don't want to jump to conclusions (I have yet to find a copy of Reigate baptisms so he may have been born there). If not, however, I am looking for John b. 1803 Crawley to Edward & Frusannah (nee Brown). A possible Reigate link is that a Frusannah Brown was born in Reigate in 1809 (obviously not the same one, but as the name is so unusual very probably related). The only other known child of Edward and Frusanna is Edward b. 1800. He settled in Ifield and had a large family, many of whose descendants are on this mailing list. Nothing more is known of Edward and Frusannah until they were buried in Ifield in 1820 and 1812 respectively. If your John is theirs, then perhaps they went to Reigate - this would account for them disappearing as Reigate is a blackhole as far as parish records go in my experience. Sorry I haven't any concrete evidence but hopefully this can point you in the right direction. Best wishes Julie Martin Anthony Tinslay wrote: > Interesting. I am still trying without success to find both birth & > marriage location of John PENFOLD. born c1803 possibly not in Surrey but > died in Reigate 1836 aged 33 after having married Hannah Holbrook and > having four children. > Thomas b 1828 > John b 1830 > Eliza b 1833 > Edward b 1835 > Hannah, NOT born in Surrey and marriage location not found. > Anyone help please > Anthony Tinslay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <TennisEgg1@cs.com> > To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 9:53 PM > Subject: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > > > >>I have been trying for some time to trace the origin of my PENFOLD >> > ancestry. > >>My 4x g grandfather Edward PENFOLD married Sarah BONIFACE in Woodmancote, >>Sussex in 1783. Sarah came from Sussex but I don't know where Edward came >>from. The first child that I have found is my ggg grandmother, Sarah born >> > Jan > >>1785 in Ashtead, Surrey. They had 4 other children in Ashtead and then >> > one > >>in Dorking, whom I may have overlooked, except they wonderfully gave him a >>second christian name of Boniface. His first name was John. >> >>Sarah the daughter married Henry EGGLETON in Epsom in 1805. One of the >>witnesses was John PENFOLD. Now presuming this John is not the one born in >>Dorking (he was christened 1793, so would only have been 12 at marriage) >> > then > >>who is this other John. Kate from Queensland sent me a marriage of John >>PENFOLD and Mary LEMON in Headley (5 miles from Dorking), so was John born >>earlier maybe first born and only got christened later? >> >>So help please - if anyone has access to the Dorking records could they >> > check > >>if it states the age of John Boniface PENFOLD on the christening entry 20 >> > Mar > >>1793. >> >>Also, my gg grandfather James Eggleton (son of Henry and Sarah nee >> > Penfold) > >>married Lucy LEMON. So was Lucy related to Mary. Unusual the links given >> > that > >>there are very few Penfolds and Lemons, esp in that area. Does anyone have >>the Headley records showing this marriage? >> >>TIA >> >>Paul >> >> >> >> >>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== >>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants >>Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 >>Penfold Resource Website: >> > http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >> > go to: > >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> >> > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >

Thank you Julie, I'm most appreciative. <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> wrote: >Hi Paul > >I have checked my Dorking fiche.  It doesn't give an age, which means >John Boniface was christened as a baby.  The other John could be a >cousin or uncle.  I think Mary and Lucy were almost certainly related. >   It was then common to marry into the same family.  (This is a good >way of  finding links in branches of families in the 18th century). > >Sorry its not much help >Julie > >TennisEgg1@cs.com wrote: > >> I have been trying for some time to trace the origin of my PENFOLD ancestry. >> My 4x g grandfather Edward PENFOLD married Sarah BONIFACE in Woodmancote, >> Sussex in 1783. Sarah came from Sussex but I don't know where Edward came >> from. The first child that I have found is my ggg grandmother, Sarah born Jan >> 1785 in Ashtead, Surrey.  They had 4 other children in Ashtead and then one >> in Dorking, whom I may have overlooked, except they wonderfully gave him a >> second christian name of Boniface. His first name was John. >> >> Sarah the daughter married Henry EGGLETON in Epsom in 1805. One of the >> witnesses was John PENFOLD. Now presuming this John is not the one born in >> Dorking (he was christened 1793, so would only have been 12 at marriage) then >> who is this other John. Kate from Queensland sent me a marriage of John >> PENFOLD and Mary LEMON in Headley (5 miles from Dorking), so was John born >> earlier maybe first born and only got christened later? >> >> So help please - if anyone has access to the Dorking records could they check >> if it states the age of John Boniface PENFOLD on the christening entry 20 Mar >> 1793. >> >> Also, my gg grandfather James Eggleton (son of Henry and Sarah nee Penfold) >> married Lucy LEMON. So was Lucy related to Mary. Unusual the links given that >> there are very few Penfolds and Lemons, esp in that area. Does anyone have >> the Headley records showing this marriage? >> >> TIA >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> >> ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== >> Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants >> Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 >> Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> >> >> > > > >==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== >Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants >Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 >Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Interesting. I am still trying without success to find both birth & marriage location of John PENFOLD. born c1803 possibly not in Surrey but died in Reigate 1836 aged 33 after having married Hannah Holbrook and having four children. Thomas b 1828 John b 1830 Eliza b 1833 Edward b 1835 Hannah, NOT born in Surrey and marriage location not found. Anyone help please Anthony Tinslay ----- Original Message ----- From: <TennisEgg1@cs.com> To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 9:53 PM Subject: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > I have been trying for some time to trace the origin of my PENFOLD ancestry. > My 4x g grandfather Edward PENFOLD married Sarah BONIFACE in Woodmancote, > Sussex in 1783. Sarah came from Sussex but I don't know where Edward came > from. The first child that I have found is my ggg grandmother, Sarah born Jan > 1785 in Ashtead, Surrey. They had 4 other children in Ashtead and then one > in Dorking, whom I may have overlooked, except they wonderfully gave him a > second christian name of Boniface. His first name was John. > > Sarah the daughter married Henry EGGLETON in Epsom in 1805. One of the > witnesses was John PENFOLD. Now presuming this John is not the one born in > Dorking (he was christened 1793, so would only have been 12 at marriage) then > who is this other John. Kate from Queensland sent me a marriage of John > PENFOLD and Mary LEMON in Headley (5 miles from Dorking), so was John born > earlier maybe first born and only got christened later? > > So help please - if anyone has access to the Dorking records could they check > if it states the age of John Boniface PENFOLD on the christening entry 20 Mar > 1793. > > Also, my gg grandfather James Eggleton (son of Henry and Sarah nee Penfold) > married Lucy LEMON. So was Lucy related to Mary. Unusual the links given that > there are very few Penfolds and Lemons, esp in that area. Does anyone have > the Headley records showing this marriage? > > TIA > > Paul > > > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Paul I have checked my Dorking fiche. It doesn't give an age, which means John Boniface was christened as a baby. The other John could be a cousin or uncle. I think Mary and Lucy were almost certainly related. It was then common to marry into the same family. (This is a good way of finding links in branches of families in the 18th century). Sorry its not much help Julie TennisEgg1@cs.com wrote: > I have been trying for some time to trace the origin of my PENFOLD ancestry. > My 4x g grandfather Edward PENFOLD married Sarah BONIFACE in Woodmancote, > Sussex in 1783. Sarah came from Sussex but I don't know where Edward came > from. The first child that I have found is my ggg grandmother, Sarah born Jan > 1785 in Ashtead, Surrey. They had 4 other children in Ashtead and then one > in Dorking, whom I may have overlooked, except they wonderfully gave him a > second christian name of Boniface. His first name was John. > > Sarah the daughter married Henry EGGLETON in Epsom in 1805. One of the > witnesses was John PENFOLD. Now presuming this John is not the one born in > Dorking (he was christened 1793, so would only have been 12 at marriage) then > who is this other John. Kate from Queensland sent me a marriage of John > PENFOLD and Mary LEMON in Headley (5 miles from Dorking), so was John born > earlier maybe first born and only got christened later? > > So help please - if anyone has access to the Dorking records could they check > if it states the age of John Boniface PENFOLD on the christening entry 20 Mar > 1793. > > Also, my gg grandfather James Eggleton (son of Henry and Sarah nee Penfold) > married Lucy LEMON. So was Lucy related to Mary. Unusual the links given that > there are very few Penfolds and Lemons, esp in that area. Does anyone have > the Headley records showing this marriage? > > TIA > > Paul > > > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >

I have been trying for some time to trace the origin of my PENFOLD ancestry. My 4x g grandfather Edward PENFOLD married Sarah BONIFACE in Woodmancote, Sussex in 1783. Sarah came from Sussex but I don't know where Edward came from. The first child that I have found is my ggg grandmother, Sarah born Jan 1785 in Ashtead, Surrey. They had 4 other children in Ashtead and then one in Dorking, whom I may have overlooked, except they wonderfully gave him a second christian name of Boniface. His first name was John. Sarah the daughter married Henry EGGLETON in Epsom in 1805. One of the witnesses was John PENFOLD. Now presuming this John is not the one born in Dorking (he was christened 1793, so would only have been 12 at marriage) then who is this other John. Kate from Queensland sent me a marriage of John PENFOLD and Mary LEMON in Headley (5 miles from Dorking), so was John born earlier maybe first born and only got christened later? So help please - if anyone has access to the Dorking records could they check if it states the age of John Boniface PENFOLD on the christening entry 20 Mar 1793. Also, my gg grandfather James Eggleton (son of Henry and Sarah nee Penfold) married Lucy LEMON. So was Lucy related to Mary. Unusual the links given that there are very few Penfolds and Lemons, esp in that area. Does anyone have the Headley records showing this marriage? TIA Paul

Hi Kate Sorry, nothing in my files for an Arthur. Kind regards Chris >From: "kate Burns" <kburns2@bigpond.com> >Reply-To: PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com >To: PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Penfold] Re: PENFOLDs in Kent >Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 03:55:05 +1000 > >I am looking for the family of > >Ernest Arthur PENFOLD (b.7 March 1907) his father (from Surrey) moved the >family, via London(?) to Canterbury . > > >Kate >Queensland > > >==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== >Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants >Email addresses subscribed to list: 133 >Penfold Resource Website: >http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Just recently I had to access the Commonwealth War Graves Commission site and was surprised at how much more information has been added. An interesting site even if you don't have anyone the pages might apply to. www.cwgc.org.uk - or just type in war graves! Kate Queensland

I am looking for the family of Ernest Arthur PENFOLD (b.7 March 1907) his father (from Surrey) moved the family, via London(?) to Canterbury . Kate Queensland

Hi All, After a great response from Julie, Terry & Kate and info that I already had, I have put together a PENFOLD line that looks like my partners line. Any further info would be most welcomed including the dates and source please. I trust you do not mind me sharing this with you !. Descendants of James Penfold Generation No. 1 1. JAMES1 PENFOLD He married JEMIMA VAUGHN ! Abt. 1804 in Newdigate. She was born Abt. 1785, and died Abt. 1833 in Crawley. More About JAMES PENFOLD and JEMIMA !:Marriage: Abt. 1804, Newdigate Children of JAMES PENFOLD and JEMIMA ! are: 2. i. THOMAS2 PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1809, Crawley, Sussex; d. Bef. 1881. ii. WILLIAM PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1805, Newdigate; m. ANN MAY; b. Abt. 1811, Capel. iii. JAMES PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1807, Crawley. Generation No. 2 2. THOMAS2 PENFOLD (JAMES1) was born Abt. 1809 in Crawley, Sussex, and died Bef. 1881. He married AMY MAY April 1831 in Rusper, Sussex, England, daughter of MICHAEL MAY and LYDIA DEWDNEY. She was born Abt. 1812 in Capel, Surrey. More About THOMAS PENFOLD: Occupation 1.: Cordwainer Occupation 2: Shoemaker More About AMY MAY: Census: 1881, Staying with daughter Pheobe. More About THOMAS PENFOLD and AMY MAY: Marriage: April 1831, Rusper, Sussex, England Children of THOMAS PENFOLD and AMY MAY are: 3. i. JOSEPH3 PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1848, Banstead, Surrey, England. 4. ii. GEORGE PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1835, Banstead, Surrey, England. iii. THOMAS PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1837, Banstead, Surrey, England. More About THOMAS PENFOLD: Baptism: 22 January 1837, Banstead, Surrey, England 5. iv. EDWIN PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1838, Banstead, Surrey, England. v. MARK PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1832, Rusper, Sussex. vi. CHARLOTTE PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1833, Rusper, Sussex. 6. vii. JOHN PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1842, Banstead, Surrey. 7. viii. BENJAMIN PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1844, Banstead, Surrey, England. 8. ix. LUKE PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1846, Banstead, Surrey, England. 9. x. SUSAN PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1851, Banstead. 10. xi. PHOEBE PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1854, Banstead, Surrey. xii. WILLIAM PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1856, Banstead. More About WILLIAM PENFOLD: Christening: 2 November 1856, Banstead, Surrey 11. xiii. AMOS PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1858, Banstead, Surrey, England. Generation No. 3 3. JOSEPH3 PENFOLD (THOMAS2, JAMES1) was born Abt. 1848 in Banstead, Surrey, England. He married FRANCES CHARLOTTE SHARP 4 September 1875 in St Andrews, Kingswood By Reigate, Surrey,UK, daughter of THOMAS SHARPE and CHARLOTTE. She was born Abt. 1854 in Reigate,Surrey.UK. Notes for JOSEPH PENFOLD: 1881 Census: Dwelling: 9 Eldon Cott Church Lane Census Place: Sutton, Surrey, England Source: FHL Film 1341178 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0759 Folio 68 Page 62 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Joseph PENFOLD M 30 M Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Head Occ: General Raily Laborer Frances C. PENFOLD M 28 F Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Wife Ada F. PENFOLD 4 F Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Daur Alfred W. PENFOLD 1 M Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Son ------------------------------------------------------- 1891 Census: They lived at Downs Cottages, Epsom. Joseph Penfold, 43, lab. Banstead. Frances, wife, 38, Banstead Alfred W., 11, Banstead Arthur B., 9, Sutton, Lillie B., 5, Ewell Christopher, 2, Ewell ------------------------------------------------------------- More About JOSEPH PENFOLD: Baptism: 16 July 1848, All Saints Church, Banstead, Census: 1881, See notes More About FRANCES CHARLOTTE SHARP: Christening: 4 July 1854, St Andrews,Kingswood By Reigate,Surrey,England. Marriage Notes for JOSEPH PENFOLD and FRANCES SHARP: Marriages Sep 1875 Penfold Joseph Reigate 2a 225 -------------------------------------------------------- More About JOSEPH PENFOLD and FRANCES SHARP: Marriage: 4 September 1875, St Andrews, Kingswood By Reigate, Surrey,UK Marriage Source: Batch No M132751. IGI See notes Children of JOSEPH PENFOLD and FRANCES SHARP are: 12. i. ADA FRANCES4 PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1877, Banstead, Surrey, England; d. 2 March 1930. ii. ALFRED W PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1880, Banstead, Surrey, England. iii. ARTHUR ROBERT PENFOLD, b. 22 January 1882, Sutton; d. 8 July 1975, 1,West Park Rd,Epsom,Surrey. iv. LILIE B PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1886, Ewell, Surrey, England. v. CHRISTOPHER PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1889, Ewell, Surrey, England. vi. JOSEPH CHARLES PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1876. More About JOSEPH CHARLES PENFOLD: Baptism: 23 January 1876, St. Andrews, Kingswood by Reigate 4. GEORGE3 PENFOLD (THOMAS2, JAMES1) was born Abt. 1835 in Banstead, Surrey, England. He married MARY ANN PRICE 4 May 1862, daughter of RICHARD PRICE. She was born in Arlington, Middlesex. Notes for GEORGE PENFOLD: 1881 Census. Dwelling: 4 Oak Ter Riddlesdown Rd Census Place: Croydon, Surrey, England Source: FHL Film 1341190 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0808 Folio 90 Page 8 Marr Age Sex Birthplace George PENFOLD M 46 M Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Head Occ: Genl Labourer Mary Ann PENFOLD M 41 F Arlington, Middlesex, England Rel: Wife Ada PENFOLD 8 F Sutton, Surrey, England Rel: Daug Occ: Scholar Edward APPS U 37 M Horley, Surrey, England Rel: Lodger Occ: Genl Labourer ------------------------------------------------------------------ More About GEORGE PENFOLD: Baptism: 15 February 1835, Banstead, Surrey, England Census: 1881, See Notes More About GEORGE PENFOLD and MARY PRICE: Marriage: 4 May 1862 Children of GEORGE PENFOLD and MARY PRICE are: i. ADA4 PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1873. ii. ANNIE PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1864. More About ANNIE PENFOLD: Christening: 24 April 1864, IGI Source iii. GEORGE THOMAS PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1866. More About GEORGE THOMAS PENFOLD: Christening: 28 January 1866, IGI Source iv. EMMA PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1868. More About EMMA PENFOLD: Christening: 9 March 1868, IGI Source 5. EDWIN3 PENFOLD (THOMAS2, JAMES1) was born Abt. 1838 in Banstead, Surrey, England. He married ANN. She was born Abt. 1848 in Waddesdon, Buckingham, England. Notes for EDWIN PENFOLD: 1881 Census: Dwelling: Burgh Heath Census Place: Banstead, Surrey, England Source: FHL Film 1341177 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0756 Folio 43 Page 27 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Edwin PENFOLD M 43 M Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Head Occ: Fence Carpenter Ann PENFOLD M 33 F Waddesdon, Buckingham, England Rel: Wife Occ: House Wife Louie PENFOLD U 8 F Croydon, Surrey, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Edward M. PENFOLD U 2 M Waddesdon, Buckingham, England Rel: son Occ: None -------------------------------------------------- More About EDWIN PENFOLD: Baptism: 11 November 1838, Banstead, Surrey, England Census: 1881, See Notes Children of EDWIN PENFOLD and ANN are: i. LOUIE4 PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1873, Croydon, Surrey, England. ii. EDWARD M PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1878, Waddesdon, Buckingham, England. 6. JOHN3 PENFOLD (THOMAS2, JAMES1) was born Abt. 1842 in Banstead, Surrey. He married ISABELLA HEWITT 26 May 1864 in Banstead, Surrey. She was born Abt. 1844 in Merstham, Surrey, England. Notes for JOHN PENFOLD: 1881 Census: Dwelling: Burgh Heath Census Place: Banstead, Surrey, England Source: FHL Film 1341177 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0756 Folio 45 Page 31 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John PENFOLD M 38 M Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Head Occ: Boot Maker Isabela PENFOLD M 36 F Merstham, Surrey, England Rel: Wife Occ: House Wife John F. PENFOLD U 12 M Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Charlotte PENFOLD U 10 F Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Walter PENFOLD U 8 M Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Grace PENFOLD U 6 M Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Ernest PENFOLD U 4 M Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Frank PENFOLD U 2 M Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Son Occ: None --------------------------- More About JOHN PENFOLD: Census: 1881, See Notes Christening: 26 April 1842, Banstead, Surrey More About JOHN PENFOLD and ISABELLA HEWITT: Marriage: 26 May 1864, Banstead, Surrey Children of JOHN PENFOLD and ISABELLA HEWITT are: i. ALICE JULIA4 PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1864, Banstead, Surrey, England. More About ALICE JULIA PENFOLD: Christening: 25 September 1864, IGI Source ii. MARY ANN PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1865, Banstead, Surrey, England. More About MARY ANN PENFOLD: Christening: 24 September 1865, IGI Source iii. KATE PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1868, Banstead, Surrey, England. More About KATE PENFOLD: Christening: 30 December 1868, IGI Source iv. JOHN THOMAS PENFOLD, b. 13 April 1869, Banstead, Surrey, England. More About JOHN THOMAS PENFOLD: Christening: 25 April 1869, IGI Sourc v. CHARLOTTE PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1870, Banstead, Surrey, England. More About CHARLOTTE PENFOLD: Christening: 28 August 1870, IGI Source vi. WALTER PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1873, Banstead, Surrey, England. More About WALTER PENFOLD: Christening: 26 January 1873, IGI Source vii. GRACE PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1874, Banstead, Surrey, England. More About GRACE PENFOLD: Christening: 30 August 1874, IGI Source viii. ERNEST PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1877, Banstead, Surrey, England. ix. FRANK PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1879, Banstead, Surrey, England. 7. BENJAMIN3 PENFOLD (THOMAS2, JAMES1) was born Abt. 1844 in Banstead, Surrey, England. He married ELIZA 17 April 1869 in Fetcham. She was born Abt. 1851 in Epsom, Surrey, England. Notes for BENJAMIN PENFOLD: 1881 Census: Dwelling: Burgh Heath Census Place: Banstead, Surrey, England Source: FHL Film 1341177 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0756 Folio 43 Page 27 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Benjamin PENFOLD M 35 M Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Head Occ: Genr Labourer Eliza PENFOLD M 30 F Epsom, Surrey, England Rel: Wife Occ: House Wife Pheobe PENFOLD U 10 F Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar William PENFOLD U 9 M Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Eliza PENFOLD U 3 F Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Daur Occ: None Agnes PENFOLD U 1 F Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Daur Occ: None Thomas MEW U 59 M Kingswood, Surrey, England Rel: Lodger Occ: Genr Labourer --------------------------- More About BENJAMIN PENFOLD: Census: 1881, See Notes Christening: 29 September 1844, Banstead, Surrey More About BENJAMIN PENFOLD and ELIZA: Marriage: 17 April 1869, Fetcham Children of BENJAMIN PENFOLD and ELIZA are: i. PHOEBE4 PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1870, Banstead, Surrey, England. More About PHOEBE PENFOLD: Christening: 5 June 1870, IGI Source ii. WILLIAM PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1872, Banstead, Surrey, England. More About WILLIAM PENFOLD: Christening: 31 March 1872, IGI Source iii. LOUISA PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1874, Banstead, Surrey, England. More About LOUISA PENFOLD: Christening: 29 March 1874, IGI Source iv. ELIZA PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1878, Banstead, Surrey, England. v. AGNES PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1880, Banstead, Surrey, England. 8. LUKE3 PENFOLD (THOMAS2, JAMES1) was born Abt. 1846 in Banstead, Surrey, England. He married MARTHA CATTERMOLE. She was born Abt. 1848 in Carleton Rd, Norfolk, England.. Notes for LUKE PENFOLD: 1881 Census: Dwelling: 2 Lower Coombe St Census Place: Croydon, Surrey, England Source: FHL Film 1341191 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0809 Folio 102 Page 19 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Luke PENFOLD M 35 M Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Head Occ: Tobacco Dealer Martha PENFOLD M 33 F Carleton Rd, Norfolk, England Rel: Wife Occ: Snuff Dealer Thomas Robert PENFOLD 9 M Croydon, Surrey, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Henry PENFOLD 6 M Croydon, Surrey, England Rel: Son Liley Ruth PENFOLD 4 F Croydon, Surrey, England Rel: Daut Oliver Cromwell PENFOLD 3 M Croydon, Surrey, England Rel: Son Ruth CATTERMOLE U 26 F Carleton Rd, Norfolk, England Rel: Wifes Sister Occ: Domestic Servant ------------------------------------ More About LUKE PENFOLD: Census: 1881, See Notes Christening: 5 July 1846, Banstead, Surrey Children of LUKE PENFOLD and MARTHA CATTERMOLE are: i. THOMAS ROBERT4 PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1872, Croydon, Surrey, England. ii. HENRY PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1875, Croydon, Surrey, England. iii. LILEY RUTH PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1877, Croydon, Surrey, England. iv. OLIVER CROMWELL PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1878, Croydon, Surrey, England. 9. SUSAN3 PENFOLD (THOMAS2, JAMES1) was born Abt. 1851 in Banstead. She married MANOAH LANGRIDGE 27 April 1872 in Banstead, Surrey. He was born Abt. 1850 in Horsted, Kynes, Sussex. More About SUSAN PENFOLD: Christening: 2 February 1851, Banstead, Surrey Notes for MANOAH LANGRIDGE: 1881 Census: Dwelling: Burgh Heath Census Place: Banstead, Surrey, England Source: FHL Film 1341177 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0756 Folio 47 Page 35 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Manoah LANGRIDGE M 31 M Horsted Kynes, Sussex, England Rel: Head Occ: Blacksmith Susan LANGRIDGE M 29 F Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Wife Occ: House Wife Fredick LANGRIDGE U 8 M Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Stanford LANGRIDGE U 7 M Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Pheobe LANGRIDGE U 5 F Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Percy LANGRIDGE U 4 M West Hoathly, Sussex, England Rel: Son Occ: None Daisy L. LANGRIDGE U 2 F Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Daur Occ: None ----------------------- More About MANOAH LANGRIDGE: Census: 1881, See Notes More About MANOAH LANGRIDGE and SUSAN PENFOLD: Marriage: 27 April 1872, Banstead, Surrey Children of SUSAN PENFOLD and MANOAH LANGRIDGE are: i. FREDRICK4 LANGRIDGE, b. Abt. 1873, Banstead, Surrey, England. ii. STANFORD LANGRIDGE, b. Abt. 1874, Banstead, Surrey, England. iii. PHEOBE LANGRIDGE, b. Abt. 1876, Banstead, Surrey, England. iv. PERCY LANGRIDGE, b. Abt. 1877, West Hoathly, Sussex, England. v. DAISY L LANGRIDGE, b. Abt. 1879, Banstead, Surrey, England. 10. PHOEBE3 PENFOLD (THOMAS2, JAMES1) was born Abt. 1854 in Banstead, Surrey. She married JOSEPH N CRACKNELL. He was born Abt. 1851 in Dorset. More About PHOEBE PENFOLD: Christening: 4 June 1854, Banstead, Surrey Notes for JOSEPH N CRACKNELL: 1881 Census: Dwelling: Lamberts Stables Census Place: Woodmansterne, Surrey, England Source: FHL Film 1341195 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0826 Folio 125 Page 9 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Joseph N. CRACKNELL M 30 M Dorset, England Rel: Head Occ: Coachman Phoebe CRACKNELL M 28 F Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Wife Ellen A. CRACKNELL 3 F Croydon, Surrey, England Rel: Daur Hester A. CRACKNELL 1 F Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Daur Joseph K. CRACKNELL 2 m M Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Son Amy PENFOLD W 69 F Caple, Surrey, England Rel: Mother ---------------------------- More About JOSEPH N CRACKNELL: Census: 1881, See Notes Children of PHOEBE PENFOLD and JOSEPH CRACKNELL are: i. ELLEN A4 CRACKNELL, b. Abt. 1878, Croydon, Surrey, England. ii. HESTER A CRACKNELL, b. Abt. 1880, Banstead, Surrey, England. iii. JOSEPH K CRACKNELL, b. Abt. 1881, Banstead, Surrey, England. 11. AMOS3 PENFOLD (THOMAS2, JAMES1) was born Abt. 1858 in Banstead, Surrey, England. He married MARY JANE. She was born Abt. 1854 in Cranleigh, Surrey, England. Notes for AMOS PENFOLD: 1881 Census: Dwelling: Stables At The Lodge Census Place: Banstead, Surrey, England Source: FHL Film 1341177 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0756 Folio 18 Page 30 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Amos PENFOLD M 24 M Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Head Occ: Gardener (Dom) Mary Jane PENFOLD M 28 F Cranleigh, Surrey, England Rel: Wife Amos H. PENFOLD U 2 M Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Son Annie Jane PENFOLD U 1 m F Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Daughter --------------------------------- More About AMOS PENFOLD: Census: 1881, See Notes Christening: 7 February 1858, Banstead, Surrey Children of AMOS PENFOLD and MARY JANE are: i. AMOS H4 PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1879, Banstead, Surrey, England. ii. ANNIE JANE PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1881, Banstead, Surrey, England. Generation No. 4 12. ADA FRANCES4 PENFOLD (JOSEPH3, THOMAS2, JAMES1) was born Abt. 1877 in Banstead, Surrey, England, and died 2 March 1930. She married EDWIN BURRAGE 24 December 1897 in Ewell Parish Church,Surrey.UK, son of JOHN BURRAGE and EMILY DOWLAND?. He was born 1 March 1868 in Horsham,Sussex, England, and died 7 May 1924. More About EDWIN BURRAGE and ADA PENFOLD: Marriage: 24 December 1897, Ewell Parish Church,Surrey.UK Children of ADA PENFOLD and EDWIN BURRAGE are: 13. i. JOSEPH EDWIN5 BURRAGE, b. 5 January 1899, Epsom, Surrey,UK/Epsom, England; d. 22 December 1974, Leatherhead Hospital,Leatherhead, Surrey, England. ii. EMILY FRANCES BURRAGE, b. 10 January 1900, Epsom, Surrey,UK/Epsom, England; d. 23 November 1981, Cuddington Hospital,Cheam.. iii. GLADYS ADA BURRAGE, b. Abt. 1906; d. 20 July 1920, 8,Cottage Rd, Ewell, Surrey, England. 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Hi Kate Can't help with Ernest Arthur, but who was his father as I have numerous PENFOLD's in my tree, mainly from Surrey. regards Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "kate Burns" <kburns2@bigpond.com> To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 08 June 2002 18:55 Subject: [Penfold] Re: PENFOLDs in Kent > I am looking for the family of > > Ernest Arthur PENFOLD (b.7 March 1907) his father (from Surrey) moved the > family, via London(?) to Canterbury . > > > Kate > Queensland > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 133 > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Listers, Well I have been told that there are some helpful PENFOLD listers aboard, so let's see if anyone has info on, 2. JOSEPH2 PENFOLD (PENFOLD1) was born Abt. 1848 in Banstead, Surrey, England. He married FRANCES CHARLOTTE SHARP 4 September 1875 in St Andrews, Kingswood By Reigate, Surrey,UK, daughter of THOMAS SHARPE and CHARLOTTE. She was born Abt. 1854 in Reigate,Surrey.UK. Notes for JOSEPH PENFOLD: 1881 Census: Dwelling: 9 Eldon Cott Church Lane Census Place: Sutton, Surrey, England Source: FHL Film 1341178 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0759 Folio 68 Page 62 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Joseph PENFOLD M 30 M Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Head Occ: General Raily Laborer Frances C. PENFOLD M 28 F Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Wife Ada F. PENFOLD 4 F Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Daur Alfred W. PENFOLD 1 M Banstead, Surrey, England Rel: Son ------------------------------------------------------- 1891 Census: They lived at Downs Cottages, Epsom. Joseph Penfold, 43, lab. Banstead. Frances, wife, 38, Banstead Alfred W., 11, Banstead Arthur B., 9, Sutton, Lillie B., 5, Ewell Christopher, 2, Ewell ------------------------------------------------------------- More About FRANCES CHARLOTTE SHARP: Christening: 4 July 1854, St Andrews,Kingswood By Reigate,Surrey,England. Children of JOSEPH PENFOLD and FRANCES SHARP are: 3. i. ADA FRANCES3 PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1877, Banstead, Surrey, England; d. 2 March 1930. ii. ALFRED W PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1880, Banstead, Surrey, England. iii. ARTHUR ROBERT PENFOLD, b. 22 January 1882, Sutton; d. 8 July 1975, 1,West Park Rd,Epsom,Surrey. iv. LILIE B PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1886, Ewell, Surrey, England. v. CHRISTOPHER PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1889, Ewell, Surrey, England. vi. JOSEPH CHARLES PENFOLD, b. Abt. 1876. More About JOSEPH CHARLES PENFOLD: Baptism: 23 January 1876, St. Andrews, Kingswood by Reigate Generation No. 2 3. ADA FRANCES3 PENFOLD (JOSEPH2, PENFOLD1) was born Abt. 1877 in Banstead, Surrey, England, and died 2 March 1930. She married EDWIN BURRAGE 24 December 1897 in Ewell Parish Church,Surrey.UK, son of JOHN BURRAGE and EMILY DOWLAND?. He was born 1 March 1868 in Horsham,Sussex, England, and died 7 May 1924. This is my partners line through BURRAGE, I have just started again on the line of PENFOLD, so if you have any info that may help, then it would be most welcomed. Thank you. Best Wishes Bernie Bernard Ratcliffe This email has been checked for Viruses by PC-cillin 2000 modbury@ntlworld.com Main Interest's: RATCLIFFE: Suffolk, Staffordshire. SMY: Anywhere MIMPRESS: Anywhere TIMMS: Oxfordshire,Bucks,Middlesex,Surrey,Hampshire. LONG: Suffolk FREWIN: Middlesex,Surrey.

I am not the Paul Penfold you are looking for, are you in the UK as it might be possible to trace him from there? Otherwise, I wish you well in your marriage, Paul -----Original Message----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com [mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of sugarplum@email.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 8:34 PM To: PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Penfold] I am looking for a Paul Penfold in the UK, he is my father This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/CS5.2ACEB/66 Message Board Post: I was born in Bristol, on 23/04/82, and am now 20 years old. My name is Katherine Skeen and my mothers name is Nicola Skeen. All my family have told me that my father is Paul Penfold, he would be about 40 years old now, and I believe lived in Somerset for a long time, I think he may have moved a way now as I haven't been able to locate him. I would really like to find out more about him and tell him about myself- I am getting married next year! If you are Paul Penfold please contact me, or if you are reading this and you think you know him please contact me or him! ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants Email addresses subscribed to list: 132 Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

My name is Katherine Skeen (my father is a penfold-Paul) I live in Weston-Super-Mare, UK I am looking for a Paul Penfold would be about age 40 now, he would have known my mother Nicola Skeen around 1982 and before whilst living in Mendip Road in Yatton. I am also looking for my grand parents, aunts and uncles etc. My email address is: sugarplum@email.com please contact me if you have any info as i'm getting married next March. -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Email.com http://www.email.com/?sr=signup