Dear Trevor and list, Sorry about my posting to list main message must have gone elsewhere.After info about David Penfold who came to Australia as a convict on the Bengal Merchant in 1836 ,Listed on ship as David Pinfold.Spent time in Maitland area where he and Frances Bennett had first two children under the names of Ruth Rebett and Lucy Bett.The rest of the children were christened Penfold .Also one called Naomi died soon after birth.in the Maitland area.They had 13 children altogether, before they married in September 1874 in Sydney and after, some were born in Queensland.He was convicted in SuffolkQuarter Session 27th June 1836 and sent out here for life for horse stealing.He married under Penfold,came out here under the name Pinfold ,but when he died in 1890,he was buried as David Penfold Rebett. Most of the time here he worked as a hairdresser and lived in the Newtown area of Sydney. Would really like to know who he was in England or where he came from,anyone h! elp with this. Hoping for a connection or clue, Regards Wendy Heaslip.

Sorry got marriage date wrong he married September 29th 1874.

Following received from Janet Considine. Regards, Trevor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Considine" <mail@considine.freeserve.co.uk> To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:46 PM Subject: Penfold/Cox: Brighton > Hello. My name is Janet Considine (nee Cox) living in the North West. A complete novice and new member of the SFHG(8815) and we enclose the following as an introduction > > My grandma was:- Edith Daisy Dorothy Penfold (b 26.10.1888) m Henry Ede Cox (b 17.05.1888) Both from Brighton. The Cox family had a large laundry at 7/9 Bonchurch Road, Elm Grove. The laundry was run by my greatgrandma Sarah (nee Major) as her husband James Cox preferred his job as engine driver of the Royal Train. > > Edith Daisy Dorothy's family was as follows: Mother: Mary Ann Penfold (nee Wright) > > (b 1836? , possibly in Bedminster; died 25.01.1929 in Brighton) > > Father: Henry Penfold (Born 01.07.1861) Bootmaker > > Sister: Nora Penfold. She married a Joseph Palkowich, (Pepi), who was born in Vienna. A famous cellist who played worldwide. He played in a trio - 'Viennese Trio' or 'Music Master' and they also played at the Brighton Hippodrome. > > The family were hand-made bootmakers and had a large shop called Penfolds somewhere in Brighton. This may have been run by Henry's brother William Arthur. They also had the 'Blue Posts' public house on the corner of North Road/Frederick Road until at least 1923. The brewery sign on the side is Kidd and Hotblacks Ales. > > Her grandparents were: Mother: Lydia Penfold (nee Brown) (b 1826 ? in Worthing) > > Father: Oliver Penfold (b 1823 ? in Worthing) > > If anyone has any information, we would love to hear from you. Kind regards, Janet > > > > > > > > Jan & Bill xxxxx > > >

Hi All Found the following in Parish records (very poor quality copies so not all entries included) James Penfold of Billingshurst marr. Mary Etheridge at Itchingfield 1754 ch. at Billingshurst - Ann 1755, Mary 1756, Lucy 1759 (a James Penfold bur. Itchingfield 1781) Thomas Penfold & Sarah ch. at Billingshurst - John 1750, Thomas 1756 William Penfold & Sarah ch. at Billingshurst - Sarah 1760 ch. at Itchingfield James 1779, Edward 1785, Ann 1788 (could well be two different families) (a William Penfold bur. Itchingfield 1806) John Penfold of Sullington marr. Elizabeth Sandel at Itchingfield 1781 ch. at Itchingfield - Mary 1782, Sarah 1785, George 1787, Henry 1790, William 1791, Peter 1794, John 1796 (a John Penfold bur. Itchingfield 1797) Lucy Penfold marr. Robert Harden at Itchingfield 1782 Mary Penfold marr. Thomas Sandell at Itchingfield 1883 Thomas Penfold & Sarah ch. at Billingshurst - Thomas 1788 Mary Penfold marr. John Wheatland at Itchingfield 1800 witnesses Hannah Penfold & Richard Agate John Penfold & Sarah ch. at Billingshurst - Henry 1828 Hope this is useful to someone, I know Trevor was interested in Itchingfield. Best wishes Julie Martin

Hi All Here are the PENFOLD names on Maitland Cemetery Register (Maitland Cemetery is abt 1/2-3/4 hr from Newcastle,NSW Louise PENFOLD,ADA MYRTLE,71,22/07/1959,23/07/1959,CE,Campbells Hill,HS,A5 L,,burial,LOCATION NOT VERIFIED,,,,,, PENFOLD,ANNIE,58,19.06.1928,21.06.1928,CE,Campbells Hill,BR,D1,43,burial,,,,,,, PENFOLD,CHARLES T,83,15.10.1939,,METH,East Maitland,BR,G,125,burial,,,,,,, PENFOLD,CHRISTINA JANE,30,05.10.1932,07.10.1932,PRES,East Maitland,BR,23,43,burial,,,,,,, PENFOLD,ELIZABETH,76,27.11.1902,28.11.1902,CE,Campbells Hill,BR,A10,20,burial,,,,,,, PENFOLD,ELIZABETH,90,02.04.1949,,METH,East Maitland,BR,G,126,burial,,,,,,, PENFOLD,ELSIE CLARA,83,02.11.1965,,CE,Campbells Hill,HS,A5 R,,burial,,,,,,, PENFOLD,EVA ISABEL,26,19.12.1936,,CE,East Maitland,BR,10,25,burial,,,,,,, PENFOLD,FREDERICK JAMES,90,15.06.1946,,CE,Campbells Hill,HS,BORD 4B,,burial,,,,,,, PENFOLD,GEORGE ARTHUR,77,11.12.1961,,CE,Campbells Hill,HS,A5 L,,burial,,,,,,, PENFOLD,GEORGE ARTHUR,77,11.12.1961,,CE,Campbells Hill,HS,A5 R,,burial,,,,,,, PENFOLD,GEORGE LAVEN,70,23.09.1927,24.09.1927,CE,Campbells Hill,BR,D9,60TO6,burial,2,,,,,, PENFOLD,GERVASE JOB,82,14.09.1984,,CE,Campbells Hill,HS,BORDER 4B,,burial,,,,,,, PENFOLD,H,SBC,,,CE,Campbells Hill,BR,BORDER,F,burial,,,,,,, PENFOLD,JOHN,,../../1901,,METH,Rutherford,BR,FREE GROUN,,burial,(CHILD),,,,,, PENFOLD,JOSEPH,3D,14.08.1901,15.08.1901,CE,Campbells Hill,BR,D1,B1-2,burial,,,,,,, PENFOLD,NAOMI,11,10.06.1854,12.06.1854,CE,Campbells Hill,BR,BORDER,F7,burial,,,,,,, PENFOLD,R C,,,,CE,Campbells Hill,,,,burial,LOCATION NOT VERIFIED,,,,,, PENFOLD,RAYMOND CHARLES,79,25.12.1968,,CE,Campbells Hill,HS,A5 L,,burial,,,,,,, PENFOLD,SARAH ANN,77,18.02.1940,20.02.1940,CE,Campbells

Hello Julie Thank you for checking that info out for me. It is rather a strange feeling to suddenly lose five generations of ancestors whom I had got used to as thinking of as my own. Still maybe I will find that I will still connect back into them via a different line. Regards Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [Penfold] John Penfold born abt. 1768 > Hi Brian, Joy and all > > Think the John Brian is thinking of was the son of William and Jane > (Mann) who was a farmer at Ifield in 1841 and 1851. If so, he married > two Mary's, Mary Adams 1796 and Mary Brown 1810. Sorry this doesn't > help you Joy. > > Best wishes > Julie Martin > > brian bloomfield wrote: > > > Hi Joy, > > There's a JOHN PENFOLD b 1771 in Crawley d 1855 Ifield, Sussex who married > > a MARY b 1785/6 Charlwood, Surrey (no surname) d 1866 Ifield Sussex > > Any good? > > Brian of Sussex >

Following received from Anthony Tinslay. Regards, Trevor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Tinslay" <anthony.tinslay@ntlworld.com> To: "Trevor Penfold (Genealogy)" <penfold-genealogy@charis.co.uk> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [Penfold] Fw: Charles Penfold > re Charles Penfold > The only informataion I can give is negative. This Charles is definitely NOT > related to the Christopher Penfold of PENFOLD wine fame. > Regards > Anthony Tinslay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trevor Penfold (Genealogy)" <penfold-genealogy@charis.co.uk> > To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 10:57 PM > Subject: [Penfold] Fw: Charles Penfold > > > > The following has been received from Sue and did not get transmitted to > the > > list because it was not addressed to penfold-l@rootsweb.com > > > > With best regards, > > > > Trevor > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "buz and Sue" <buznsue@mydesk.net.au> > > To: <PENFOLD-D-request@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 12:44 PM > > Subject: Charles Penfold > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > My Dad is currently doing some volunteer work at Marborough Historical > > Society - Queensland, and he came across a Charles Penfold who died in > 1945 > > aged 78. > > > > > > He thinks Charles may have came up from South Australia, but is not sure > > and wonders if anyone can help him with his research. > > > > > > Thank you for your assistant in advance > > > > > > Sue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > > Email addresses subscribed to list: 129 > > Penfold Resource Website: > http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > >

Hi Sue, My grandfather was Charles Henry Penfold and his eldest son was also Charles Henry Penfold. But my Uncle did die in or around 1947 but was no where near 78. He was probably in his early 50s, My Grandfather died in November 1953 at age 76. Granddad was born in Bermondsey in London and his son was born in Marylebone also in London. My Aunt Elizabeth, my uncles wife, did have relatives in Australia and her and her husband and family applied for immigration to Australia. The medical they had to have revealed that my uncle had Cancer of the Bronchus, he died 6 months later. They had 2 children, Joyce Valmai and Robert Charles. I do not know their addresses but believe they live somewhere in the south of England. Don't know if any of that will be of any help to you....Regards Pat

Hi Brian, Joy and all Think the John Brian is thinking of was the son of William and Jane (Mann) who was a farmer at Ifield in 1841 and 1851. If so, he married two Mary's, Mary Adams 1796 and Mary Brown 1810. Sorry this doesn't help you Joy. Best wishes Julie Martin brian bloomfield wrote: > Hi Joy, > There's a JOHN PENFOLD b 1771 in Crawley d 1855 Ifield, Sussex who married > a MARY b 1785/6 Charlwood, Surrey (no surname) d 1866 Ifield Sussex > Any good? > Brian of Sussex > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jvghurst@ntlworld.com> > To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 9:27 PM > Subject: [Penfold] John Penfold born abt. 1768 > > > >>

The following has been received from Sue and did not get transmitted to the list because it was not addressed to penfold-l@rootsweb.com With best regards, Trevor ----- Original Message ----- From: "buz and Sue" <buznsue@mydesk.net.au> To: <PENFOLD-D-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 12:44 PM Subject: Charles Penfold > Hi All, > > My Dad is currently doing some volunteer work at Marborough Historical Society - Queensland, and he came across a Charles Penfold who died in 1945 aged 78. > > He thinks Charles may have came up from South Australia, but is not sure and wonders if anyone can help him with his research. > > Thank you for your assistant in advance > > Sue > > >

Hello Brian Thank you for your suggestion of John born 1771 in Crawley but unfortunately he doesn't fit as I have all the info on John Penfold & Mary Gooding expect now where he was born and his parents. I have his 5 children all baptised Hawkhurst the youngest being named Benedicta and I have Mary the widow of John on the 1841 & 1851 census with this daughter and her family.On both census returns it states she is a widow. I also have Benedicta's marriage and as it is a fairly unusual name I feel sure I have the right family. 1851 Census - (100) Paper Mill Hill, Hawkhurst, Kent. HO107 1619 Page 26 & 27 Folio 393 Samuel Oliver Head 38 Ag Lab Hawkhurst Benedicta wife 32 " Samuel son 11 scholar " Charlotte dau 8 " " Mary Penfold M-in-law 71 widow " Mary Penfold nee Gooding died 23 June 1853 - Hawkhurst aged 74 years. On the death certificate it states she was the widow of John Penfold Agricultural Labourer and the informant was Samuel Oliver present at death Hawkhurst. I had always thought he was the son of John Penfold and Sarah Sprenge as their son John was baptised in Hawkhurst in 1780 as were their other two children. John & Mary married in Hawkhurst in 1804 where they remained bringing up their family. Mary was born about 1779 and I had assumed that John baptised 1780 was her husband. There only seems to have been the one John in Hawkhurst at that time as it would appear John Baptised 1780 moved to Cranbrook where he married Ann Hickman and he died 24 June 1847 Cranbrook and Ann Penfold was the informant and was present at the death. So it would seem this was John the son of John & Sarah. So this leaves me to find a John born about 1768 who was 11 years older than his wife and could have been born anywhere. Any help would be very welcome. Regards Joy

Hi Joy, There's a JOHN PENFOLD b 1771 in Crawley d 1855 Ifield, Sussex who married a MARY b 1785/6 Charlwood, Surrey (no surname) d 1866 Ifield Sussex Any good? Brian of Sussex ----- Original Message ----- From: <jvghurst@ntlworld.com> To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 9:27 PM Subject: [Penfold] John Penfold born abt. 1768 > Hello All > > I have been a member of this list for sometime but as my branch of the > Penfolds were born in Kent I have been posting mainly to the Penvill-Penfold > list. However I now find that after looking at 1841 & 1851 census returns > and burial entries the John Penfold married to Mary Gooding whom I thought > was the son of John Penfold & Sarah Sprenge was born to early to be their > son. > > >From his burial entry 29 June 1835 aged 67 years in Hawkhurst, Kent it would > seem that he was born about 1768 but because he died in 1835 I have no > census returns to check for place of birth. I have found a John Penfold son > of Richard & Elizabeth Penfold baptised 7 Dec 1767 in St. Mary Ashford, > Kent and wondered if any of you had any info on him. > > Other than that I was wondering if anyone had a John born about 1768 who may > have crossed into Hawkhurst and married Mary Gooding on 10 Dec1804. Heather > Domoney has suggested a couple of Johns from her info but if any one else > has a John who could possibly fit I would be pleased to hear from you. > > Best wishes > Joy Hurst > > > > > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 129 > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello All I have been a member of this list for sometime but as my branch of the Penfolds were born in Kent I have been posting mainly to the Penvill-Penfold list. However I now find that after looking at 1841 & 1851 census returns and burial entries the John Penfold married to Mary Gooding whom I thought was the son of John Penfold & Sarah Sprenge was born to early to be their son. >From his burial entry 29 June 1835 aged 67 years in Hawkhurst, Kent it would seem that he was born about 1768 but because he died in 1835 I have no census returns to check for place of birth. I have found a John Penfold son of Richard & Elizabeth Penfold baptised 7 Dec 1767 in St. Mary Ashford, Kent and wondered if any of you had any info on him. Other than that I was wondering if anyone had a John born about 1768 who may have crossed into Hawkhurst and married Mary Gooding on 10 Dec1804. Heather Domoney has suggested a couple of Johns from her info but if any one else has a John who could possibly fit I would be pleased to hear from you. Best wishes Joy Hurst

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Dear Ron, Thank you for your prompt reply. I was trying to place a Lenora Wilby nee Penford who showed up as the mother of a Penford boy in a Doon County cemetary in Kitchener Ontario,Canada. I have found that sometimes there are errors between the name Penford and the name Penfold and I wondered if your Lenora Penfold would explain my Lenora Penford because the time and continent were the same and both woman would have had an uncommon name. Sincerely, Anita Penford Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Penfold" <rlpenfold@hotmail.com> To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 3:17 AM Subject: Re: [Penfold] Thomas George Penfold > Anita, > I don't have much on Lenora Ann. Do know that her nickname was Nona, that > she was born April 8, 1864 in Whiteside,Illinois, died in Iowa and she was > married to Lester Garm Bennett. I have a picture of the Penfold children > taken about 1920. That would make her 56 at that time. Will email the photo > if you want. > Are you a descendent of Lenora? > Sincerely, Ron Penfold > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 124 > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

do you have any information about Lenora Ann's life? Does she move to Canada? Any connection to Mennonites? Thanks Anita Penford Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Penfold" <rlpenfold@hotmail.com> To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 5:26 PM Subject: [Penfold] Thomas George Penfold > > Dear Members, > Since there are so many new members to the Penfold list, I decided to repost > my request for information. > My name is Ron Penfold and I live in Minot North Dakota. I am a descendant > of Thomas George Penfold. The following is about all of the information I > have about Thomas. He was born Dec 22, 1817 in London England Sussex, and > died May 27, 1888 in Massilon Iowa. He Married Elizabeth Parry(born in Wales > Aug 12,1829), on Dec 28,1844 in Buffalo, New york. Their children were; > James William,b Oct 5,1849 > Charles Oliver, bNov 12,1859 > John Henry, b, Sep 6,1853 > Rufus Cyrus, b Sep 1,1854 > Laura Jane, b Aug 29,1856 > Thomas George,b Aug 30,1858 > Alfred Edward,b Feb 26,1860 > Mary Elizabeth,b Oct 31,1861 > Lenora Ann,b Apr 8,1864 > Josephine Crouch,b Mar 10,1875-Adopted > My GGrandfather was Rufus Cyrus. > Wish I could connect Thomas George with the Penfold's in England. I am > stuck! Surely he had brothers and sisters there. I understand that he was a > sailor and Commander of his own ship. He was a Sailor by trade for 21 years. > He started out as a cabin boy at age 12. He became Captain of his ship when > he saved the life of the existing Captain.He must have arrived in New York > about 1840. It is said that he set sail from PEN DA WALD, LITTLE HAMPTON > near Sussex, England. It is also said that one of his brothers went to > canada and one other went to Australia. He sailed with the Brig Economy on > the Great Lakes. A microfiche of an 1844 directory in Buffalo NY lists a > Thomas and William Penfold, both sailors living at 48 Indiana Street. I > cannot treat this as fact butI am hoping that someone might make connection > with this information and send me in the right direction on my search. > Thank you very much. > Sincerely-Ron Penfold > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 124 > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Julie Just to say thank you for latest info. - all to be digested later in July/August. I have full details of the four children to John/Hannah and all their descendants. Bye for now Anthony Tinslay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > Hi Anthony > Glad we sorted this birthplace out. The boxes you mention are on the > 1841 Census but later Censuses show place of birth (not always acurate). > They also show relationship to Head of household which is not on the > 1841 Census. > Speaking of not accurate, Philip P. may have been born Ifiled but he > wasn't bap.there nor in Crawley. I guess if I find his bap. I will have > another Ifield linked family. > Incidentally I have noticed something potentially interesting among my > 1881 Census data: - a Thomas P. born Ifield (again no bap.) aged 46 > [this is 6yrs to young to be yours, if age correct] but with wife Eliza > b. Somerset, children Edward 21 b. Somerset, Fanny 13, William 10 & > Walter b. Charlwood, George 8 b. Ifield, Albert 5, Annie 3 & Edith 1 b. > Worth. Again the Somerset link. Incidentally this isn't so strang as > the area had strong cattle trading links with cattle originally being > driven down from Wales (hence the large number of Welsh surnames in the > area) and by the mid 19th century the links tend to suggest this may > have changed to Somerset and Devon. > Hope you have a good visit to America. > Best wishes > Julie > > Anthony Tinslay wrote: > > > Hello Julie > > Thank you. Yes must have another look at 1851 census. I thought that the > > box merely indicated with a tick whether or not the person was born in > > Surrey. If indeed it did say Ilminster then that resolves one issue but > > not the location of marriage which is still unknown. > > Philip P. in the census was born in Ifield. > > Away now for three weeks or so but will make an effort to look at Woking > > records next month. I am in Fleet so not too far away. > > Will have to look at all the other items you mention later. > > regards Anthony Tinslay > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> > > To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:00 AM > > Subject: Re: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > > > > > > > >>Hi Anthony > >> > >>I am a bit confused now, as I was sure the 1851 Census gave Hannah > >>Humphrey (previously Penfold)'s birthplace as Ilminster,SOM. I have > >>found this on the 1851 2% Extract disc (sadly I can't check this till I > >>get my computer back). Also I have copied it from the Census copy at > >>Woking. As you have seen this Census too and haven't found this > >>birthplace, I am now less certain. I guess another look at the Census > >>should tell us her correct birthplace. > >> > >>I would love to have details of the Penfolds you found at Reigate, as I > >>have failed to find Reigate records so far. I am particularly hoping to > >>find the marriage of Thomas (son of Thomas & Amy - presumed brother of > >>Edward (Frusannah)) and his wife Elizabeth who was born Reigate. They > >>lived at Buckland or just outside it and in 1822 and 1825 the bap. > >>records give them as 'of Reigate'. > >> > >>The only other Reigate links I have (apart from the Philip I mentioned > >>before)are:- > >>1) Bur. Charlwood 1836 - Lucy 63 of Reigate (I believe she may be the > >>unmarried dau. of Thos. & Elizabeth bap. Jan 1775 Charlwood. She was > >>still unm. in Dec 1798 when her dau. Lucy was bap. > >>2) 1851 Census Index - James Penfold 24 Ag. servant b. Reigate (1851 at > >>Newdigate) > >>3) Marr. Buckland - Ann Penfold of Buckland to John Voice of Reigate > >>(date unreadable but between 1780-1794) > >>4) Marr. Alleation - 1751 Hannah Penfold spinster 28 of Reigate marr. > >>Simpsom Jeffery of Ryegate farmer widower 38 at Ewell. John Haws(ins?) > >>2nd sig. > >>5) Reigate Bur. - (apart from your two John's > >>Mary 70 15/7/1832 > >>Peter 83 27/9/1833 > >> > >>I don't know whether any of these mean anything to you. > >> > >>Sorry its not a lot. If only we could find Edward and Frusannah between > >> 1803 and 1812. > >> > >>Best wishes > >>Julie > >> > >>Anthony Tinslay wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Thankyou Julie > >>>I have looked at original Reigate records - such as are available and am > >>>convinced that John/Hannah moved to that area (Earlswood) after marriage > >>> > > but > > > >>>before children born. Just one question more please. Why do you say > >>> > > Hannah > > > >>>born in Ilminster? I KNOW her maiden name was Holbrook because on her > >>>marriage record to Richard it states she was the dau. of Thomas > >>> > > Holbrook. > > > >>>And yes that is the only Hannah dau of T.H. found on the IGI. But not a > >>> > > good > > > >>>reason to suppose it is the same person as so far away. > >>>Hope to clarify this as am away from Wednesday for up to three weeks in > >>> > > USA > > > >>>Regards Anthony Tinslay > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> > >>>To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> > >>>Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:09 AM > >>>Subject: Re: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > >>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > >>Email addresses subscribed to list: 129 > >>Penfold Resource Website: > >> > > http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > > >>============================== > >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >> > > go to: > > > >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > >> > > > > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > > Email addresses subscribed to list: 129 > > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 129 > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Anthony Glad we sorted this birthplace out. The boxes you mention are on the 1841 Census but later Censuses show place of birth (not always acurate). They also show relationship to Head of household which is not on the 1841 Census. Speaking of not accurate, Philip P. may have been born Ifiled but he wasn't bap.there nor in Crawley. I guess if I find his bap. I will have another Ifield linked family. Incidentally I have noticed something potentially interesting among my 1881 Census data: - a Thomas P. born Ifield (again no bap.) aged 46 [this is 6yrs to young to be yours, if age correct] but with wife Eliza b. Somerset, children Edward 21 b. Somerset, Fanny 13, William 10 & Walter b. Charlwood, George 8 b. Ifield, Albert 5, Annie 3 & Edith 1 b. Worth. Again the Somerset link. Incidentally this isn't so strang as the area had strong cattle trading links with cattle originally being driven down from Wales (hence the large number of Welsh surnames in the area) and by the mid 19th century the links tend to suggest this may have changed to Somerset and Devon. Hope you have a good visit to America. Best wishes Julie Anthony Tinslay wrote: > Hello Julie > Thank you. Yes must have another look at 1851 census. I thought that the > box merely indicated with a tick whether or not the person was born in > Surrey. If indeed it did say Ilminster then that resolves one issue but > not the location of marriage which is still unknown. > Philip P. in the census was born in Ifield. > Away now for three weeks or so but will make an effort to look at Woking > records next month. I am in Fleet so not too far away. > Will have to look at all the other items you mention later. > regards Anthony Tinslay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> > To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > > > >>Hi Anthony >> >>I am a bit confused now, as I was sure the 1851 Census gave Hannah >>Humphrey (previously Penfold)'s birthplace as Ilminster,SOM. I have >>found this on the 1851 2% Extract disc (sadly I can't check this till I >>get my computer back). Also I have copied it from the Census copy at >>Woking. As you have seen this Census too and haven't found this >>birthplace, I am now less certain. I guess another look at the Census >>should tell us her correct birthplace. >> >>I would love to have details of the Penfolds you found at Reigate, as I >>have failed to find Reigate records so far. I am particularly hoping to >>find the marriage of Thomas (son of Thomas & Amy - presumed brother of >>Edward (Frusannah)) and his wife Elizabeth who was born Reigate. They >>lived at Buckland or just outside it and in 1822 and 1825 the bap. >>records give them as 'of Reigate'. >> >>The only other Reigate links I have (apart from the Philip I mentioned >>before)are:- >>1) Bur. Charlwood 1836 - Lucy 63 of Reigate (I believe she may be the >>unmarried dau. of Thos. & Elizabeth bap. Jan 1775 Charlwood. She was >>still unm. in Dec 1798 when her dau. Lucy was bap. >>2) 1851 Census Index - James Penfold 24 Ag. servant b. Reigate (1851 at >>Newdigate) >>3) Marr. Buckland - Ann Penfold of Buckland to John Voice of Reigate >>(date unreadable but between 1780-1794) >>4) Marr. Alleation - 1751 Hannah Penfold spinster 28 of Reigate marr. >>Simpsom Jeffery of Ryegate farmer widower 38 at Ewell. John Haws(ins?) >>2nd sig. >>5) Reigate Bur. - (apart from your two John's >>Mary 70 15/7/1832 >>Peter 83 27/9/1833 >> >>I don't know whether any of these mean anything to you. >> >>Sorry its not a lot. If only we could find Edward and Frusannah between >> 1803 and 1812. >> >>Best wishes >>Julie >> >>Anthony Tinslay wrote: >> >> >>>Thankyou Julie >>>I have looked at original Reigate records - such as are available and am >>>convinced that John/Hannah moved to that area (Earlswood) after marriage >>> > but > >>>before children born. Just one question more please. Why do you say >>> > Hannah > >>>born in Ilminster? I KNOW her maiden name was Holbrook because on her >>>marriage record to Richard it states she was the dau. of Thomas >>> > Holbrook. > >>>And yes that is the only Hannah dau of T.H. found on the IGI. But not a >>> > good > >>>reason to suppose it is the same person as so far away. >>>Hope to clarify this as am away from Wednesday for up to three weeks in >>> > USA > >>>Regards Anthony Tinslay >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> >>>To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:09 AM >>>Subject: Re: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== >>Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants >>Email addresses subscribed to list: 129 >>Penfold Resource Website: >> > http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >> > go to: > >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 129 > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >

Hello Julie Thank you. Yes must have another look at 1851 census. I thought that the box merely indicated with a tick whether or not the person was born in Surrey. If indeed it did say Ilminster then that resolves one issue but not the location of marriage which is still unknown. Philip P. in the census was born in Ifield. Away now for three weeks or so but will make an effort to look at Woking records next month. I am in Fleet so not too far away. Will have to look at all the other items you mention later. regards Anthony Tinslay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > Hi Anthony > > I am a bit confused now, as I was sure the 1851 Census gave Hannah > Humphrey (previously Penfold)'s birthplace as Ilminster,SOM. I have > found this on the 1851 2% Extract disc (sadly I can't check this till I > get my computer back). Also I have copied it from the Census copy at > Woking. As you have seen this Census too and haven't found this > birthplace, I am now less certain. I guess another look at the Census > should tell us her correct birthplace. > > I would love to have details of the Penfolds you found at Reigate, as I > have failed to find Reigate records so far. I am particularly hoping to > find the marriage of Thomas (son of Thomas & Amy - presumed brother of > Edward (Frusannah)) and his wife Elizabeth who was born Reigate. They > lived at Buckland or just outside it and in 1822 and 1825 the bap. > records give them as 'of Reigate'. > > The only other Reigate links I have (apart from the Philip I mentioned > before)are:- > 1) Bur. Charlwood 1836 - Lucy 63 of Reigate (I believe she may be the > unmarried dau. of Thos. & Elizabeth bap. Jan 1775 Charlwood. She was > still unm. in Dec 1798 when her dau. Lucy was bap. > 2) 1851 Census Index - James Penfold 24 Ag. servant b. Reigate (1851 at > Newdigate) > 3) Marr. Buckland - Ann Penfold of Buckland to John Voice of Reigate > (date unreadable but between 1780-1794) > 4) Marr. Alleation - 1751 Hannah Penfold spinster 28 of Reigate marr. > Simpsom Jeffery of Ryegate farmer widower 38 at Ewell. John Haws(ins?) > 2nd sig. > 5) Reigate Bur. - (apart from your two John's > Mary 70 15/7/1832 > Peter 83 27/9/1833 > > I don't know whether any of these mean anything to you. > > Sorry its not a lot. If only we could find Edward and Frusannah between > 1803 and 1812. > > Best wishes > Julie > > Anthony Tinslay wrote: > > > Thankyou Julie > > I have looked at original Reigate records - such as are available and am > > convinced that John/Hannah moved to that area (Earlswood) after marriage but > > before children born. Just one question more please. Why do you say Hannah > > born in Ilminster? I KNOW her maiden name was Holbrook because on her > > marriage record to Richard it states she was the dau. of Thomas Holbrook. > > And yes that is the only Hannah dau of T.H. found on the IGI. But not a good > > reason to suppose it is the same person as so far away. > > Hope to clarify this as am away from Wednesday for up to three weeks in USA > > Regards Anthony Tinslay > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> > > To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:09 AM > > Subject: Re: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 129 > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Anthony I am a bit confused now, as I was sure the 1851 Census gave Hannah Humphrey (previously Penfold)'s birthplace as Ilminster,SOM. I have found this on the 1851 2% Extract disc (sadly I can't check this till I get my computer back). Also I have copied it from the Census copy at Woking. As you have seen this Census too and haven't found this birthplace, I am now less certain. I guess another look at the Census should tell us her correct birthplace. I would love to have details of the Penfolds you found at Reigate, as I have failed to find Reigate records so far. I am particularly hoping to find the marriage of Thomas (son of Thomas & Amy - presumed brother of Edward (Frusannah)) and his wife Elizabeth who was born Reigate. They lived at Buckland or just outside it and in 1822 and 1825 the bap. records give them as 'of Reigate'. The only other Reigate links I have (apart from the Philip I mentioned before)are:- 1) Bur. Charlwood 1836 - Lucy 63 of Reigate (I believe she may be the unmarried dau. of Thos. & Elizabeth bap. Jan 1775 Charlwood. She was still unm. in Dec 1798 when her dau. Lucy was bap. 2) 1851 Census Index - James Penfold 24 Ag. servant b. Reigate (1851 at Newdigate) 3) Marr. Buckland - Ann Penfold of Buckland to John Voice of Reigate (date unreadable but between 1780-1794) 4) Marr. Alleation - 1751 Hannah Penfold spinster 28 of Reigate marr. Simpsom Jeffery of Ryegate farmer widower 38 at Ewell. John Haws(ins?) 2nd sig. 5) Reigate Bur. - (apart from your two John's Mary 70 15/7/1832 Peter 83 27/9/1833 I don't know whether any of these mean anything to you. Sorry its not a lot. If only we could find Edward and Frusannah between 1803 and 1812. Best wishes Julie Anthony Tinslay wrote: > Thankyou Julie > I have looked at original Reigate records - such as are available and am > convinced that John/Hannah moved to that area (Earlswood) after marriage but > before children born. Just one question more please. Why do you say Hannah > born in Ilminster? I KNOW her maiden name was Holbrook because on her > marriage record to Richard it states she was the dau. of Thomas Holbrook. > And yes that is the only Hannah dau of T.H. found on the IGI. But not a good > reason to suppose it is the same person as so far away. > Hope to clarify this as am away from Wednesday for up to three weeks in USA > Regards Anthony Tinslay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> > To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:09 AM > Subject: Re: [Penfold] PENFOLD/LEMON > > > >