Hello, Can you help me? Concerning Mary (or Mary Ann) CHARMAN, born 1858/1859 in Ifield, and daughter of John CHARMAN and Jane PENFOLD. Did she marry a William PENFOLD? Was he born 1856/1857 in Guildford? Where and when did they marry? What relation was William to Jane PENFOLD? Colin Charman Email: charmanc@mulberries.freeserve.co.uk OBJ Border Morris: www.obj.org.uk Tel 0118 989 0760

Petworth 1861 Census: Hamlet of Plaistow: John PENFOLD Head U 53 Hawker Gloucestershire,B[is]ley William Fowler Lodger U 72 Hawker Gloucestershire, Cheltenham May be of interest to someone? Brian in Sussex

Hi All Just to let you know that I have updated my website. It now includes information for Charlwood and the 1861 Ifield Census. Most importantly I have updated the Ifield Tree so that it now reads correctly. It also has more hyperlinks for navigating it. I have yet to correct the other trees but will let you know when I have. There are also some updates to the Ifield/Crawley and Horsham pages. Best wishes Julie

Hi all, I have added a second Penfold resource website to the footers of each email message sent over this list. The webmaster of this site is Julie Martin who is making an excellent job in keeping us all updated on Penfolds in Kent, Surrey and Sussex borders. Best regards, Trevor

I have a note of a Sarah PENFOLD with 2 brothers and with parents Peter and Sarah in 1851 census in Sussex. Louise, please could you give details, particularly a date of birth for your Sarah, and details of the brothers names and birth dates? Regards Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louise Genge" <louiseg@hotkey.net.au> To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 10:31 AM Subject: [Penfold] Sarah Penfold > Hello all, > I managed to spend a few hours at Sydney Archives yesterday & came across an > entry for Sarah Penfold. > It says on the entry her parents were Peter & Sarah PENFOLD-father deceased > Also 2 brothers residing in Woolongong. > She came from Sussex. > Is anyone looking for her? > Louise > > > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 146 > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hello all, I managed to spend a few hours at Sydney Archives yesterday & came across an entry for Sarah Penfold. It says on the entry her parents were Peter & Sarah PENFOLD-father deceased Also 2 brothers residing in Woolongong. She came from Sussex. Is anyone looking for her? Louise

The following has been received from Al Carter. Please note that to send to the list the address PENFOLD-L@ROOTSWEB.COM must be used otherwise the message will enter my reject queue. Best regards, Trevor ----- Original Message ----- From: <AlanSCarter@aol.com> To: <PENFOLD-L-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 7:12 PM Subject: William Penfold > I have found that my 3 x great grandfather was born in Arundel on 23 Dec 1785 > and I believe he was christened on 20 June 1786 in Arundel. The parents were > William and Sarah, William married Sarah Pullen in Ferring, 12th December > 1784. I don't think William senior came from Arundel. Has anyone got any > ideas or does this ring any bells ?? Typically, I have already searched > almost every other Penfold parish in Sussex apart from these !! > > Thanks > > Al Carter > Devon > England > > >

I do have another sibling to the three mentioned below.... BREVIS ANN PENFOLD b.1817 Chr 21Oct1817 in Angmering. This extra member came from another source and I dont know if she has been attached to the right Peter and Sarah. Can anyone offer any thoughts here please? cheers Heather Domoney > Hi Marilyn, > The only bit that I can offer at this stage is that the JAMES you seek could > not be the son of Peter b.1777 and Sarah Burrage, because they only had > ....BARTON...b. 1802, BURRAGE b 1804 and Belinda Jane b. 26Oct1807 > > Good luck... > Heather Domoney > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan & Marilyn Hodkinson" <almar@southdarenth.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:01 AM > Subject: [Penfold] PENFOLD Family > > > > Does anyone have any information please on JAMES PENFOLD born around 1833 > in Pulborough? I have found him in the 1881 census living in Kent aged 48. > His wife is Sophia & they had three sons, William, Frederick E and Edwin G. > > > > I found one record that says his parents were Peter & Sarah, but surely > they can't be Peter, b.1777 & Sarah Burrage because that would make Sarah 54 > when she had him! > > > > Many thanks > > Marilyn > > > > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > > Email addresses subscribed to list: 146 > > Penfold Resource Website: > http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hi Marilyn, The only bit that I can offer at this stage is that the JAMES you seek could not be the son of Peter b.1777 and Sarah Burrage, because they only had ....BARTON...b. 1802, BURRAGE b 1804 and Belinda Jane b. 26Oct1807 Good luck... Heather Domoney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan & Marilyn Hodkinson" <almar@southdarenth.freeserve.co.uk> To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:01 AM Subject: [Penfold] PENFOLD Family > Does anyone have any information please on JAMES PENFOLD born around 1833 in Pulborough? I have found him in the 1881 census living in Kent aged 48. His wife is Sophia & they had three sons, William, Frederick E and Edwin G. > > I found one record that says his parents were Peter & Sarah, but surely they can't be Peter, b.1777 & Sarah Burrage because that would make Sarah 54 when she had him! > > Many thanks > Marilyn > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 146 > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Stan, sorry I have taken so long to reply to your email.... I have been sorting through and entering into my computer data from some working papers from a now deceased PENFOLD, A long job. Now completed but there are so many differences in my own data and this data.... My next job is to compare and seek out the truth between the difference.... what a job. I don't have any records of a PETER, Sarah and Jane as being born in Surrey and ... not being one to think that it could be just a coincidence that they showed up in Pullborough ( going on the fact that traveling distances could not have been easy and would have been costly) I tend to think that there has to be a family reason for them to have been there.... so... who are they related to? No doubt time will tell I have copies of documents from West Chiltington Charity (relating to the Smythe Trust) that show Michael Greenfield (uncle of James) as serving as chairman on a committee with Barton Penfold in 1862 Barton P. Michael Greenfield and his brother James Greenfield were all trustees. (brothers of Dorinda) Also a copy of Vestry minutes (1870) that Mr. Thomas Greenfield be appointed as Surveyor of the Highway. Barton and Michael also on this Doc. as churchwardens Father of Dorinda, Michael, James and Thomas is William Greenfield. The only reference I have to James Greenfield son of Dorinda is as follows..... In 1824 Barton mar. Dorinda Greenfield born 1792 at Storrington, Daughter of William Greenfield, the founder of Greenfield's of Storrington Ltd. In 1817 she had a barsted son bapt at St Mary's Church Storrington (on ChristmasDay) he was christened James Greenfield, the father unknown. Dorinda died in the Thakeham Union Poor House at the age of 92 in 1884. I have not been able to view the Baptismal records at St Mary's so cant say categorically that the above information has been proven by me. All this information I have received from my cousin Hugh Penfold of Bogna Regis. Stan, I recall that you sent me details of your connections with Pullborough but last year I had computer problems like you wouldn't believe and lost a good bit of data. I would appreciate if you could send me an outline again. Who ;knows... something might click when I am going through my many bits of paper. (who said a house was to live in... for us here it is a place to keep my research bits and pieces in) Hope I haven't confused you to ;much. Bye for now Heather Domoney ----- Original Message ----- From: "carterclark" <carterclark@tinyworld.co.uk> To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 2:24 AM Subject: [Penfold] Re Penfold. Penfold Research. > Hello Heather, > Re DORINDA PENFOLD and the 1851 census for West Chiltington,I can only think that it is a case either of bad hanndwriting by the enumerator or his writing has faded with age and the last digit of her age looks like an O on the photocopy rather than a 9 as it should be. > As far as the 1841 census is concerned ages were rounded down to the nearest five years so Dorinda would have been aged between 45 and 49 which would give a date of birth between 1792 and 1796. > With regard to BARTON PENFOLD I agree with yuor findings that the 1851 census is about right and that he was born in 1802. > Turning now to the 1841 census,as with Dorinda,Bartons age has been rounded down to 35 whereas he was older probably 39 which would agree with the details you hold. > I haven't been able to establish the relationship,if any, of Peter Penfold (44) Sarah (42) and Jane(15) to any particular line of Penfold's. Peter who according to the 1851 census was born in Surrey could have returned to his "roots" or drifted into West Chiltington. The same applies to Oliver. > You mention James Greenfield in your note. There are three James Greenfield's shown in the 1851 census for West Chiltington ages 49,22 and 14. none seem to fit in with the Jame christened in 1817. There is also a James at Storrington age 4. The only connection Greenfield/Penfold I can find goes back to 1585 when a Thomas Greenfield married Jeanne Penfold by licence at Chichester on 23 July. Thomas was of Billingshurst,Sussex > Although my Penfolds lived in or around Pulborough for many years I haven't,as yet been able to find any connection with the Barton Penfold line . > Will keep you posted. Best wishes Stan Clark of Ifield. > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 146 > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I have a Robert PENFOLD married to Susan OSBOURNE early 1600s Died 26Jul1671... overcome with and killed in a load of chalk. Robert is listed as 'Of Plastow' and 'Yeoman of Kirdford.' Can anyone please help with any other details like ... is he related to the Itchenfiled Thomas Penfold b. abt 1480 Would appreciate any facts or thoughts on this fellow. Regards Heather Domoney (still in Saudi but not sure for how much longer !!!!!!)

Hi Jackie, Do you have any further info on your Thomas Penfold born 1735? I have a Thomas Penfold who appears out of nowhere in 1775 to marry in Rodmell (a few miles the other side of Lewes from Husrtpierpoint). He died in 1798. If they are the same perosn he would have been 40 at marriage (not unheard of, esp for a widower) and 63 or so at death.... Hope to hear from you, Rebecca. > I am also descended from William Penfold and Elizabeth Brayne, the only > information I have is as follows:- > > Thomas PENFOLD married Elizabeth 1730 at Hurstperpoint. He died at > Hurstpierpoint 31st May, 1745 > He had 3 children:- > Elizabeth Penfold born in Hurstpierpoint in 1731 died 14th August 1731 > William Penfold born Hurstpierpoint in 1734, died 23rd March 1803 at > Hurstpierpoint > married (1) Saah NYE 7th Sptember 1758 > (2) Sussannah JENNER 7th March > 1796 They had 5 children > Thomas Penfold born in 1735

Louisa Rowland in her 'Baptisms Broadwater, Sussex' includes a family to John and Ann Penfold born between 1715 and 1735. Amongst them is Edward, born 31st July 1724. I have an Edward who married Catharine Constable in 1754 in Chichester. They were both recorded in the parish register as from Arundel. The IGI gives the same Edward as being born in Chichester about 1730 but my own searches of the parish register of St Peter the Great do not confirm this. Could the Edward born in Broadwater be the one I am seeking?? Sid Geoghegan Southport England

----- Original Message ----- From: RPenfold <RPenfold@xtra.co.nz> To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:21 AM Subject: [Penfold] family > Researching ancestors of William Penfold and Elizabeth Brayne[Brain],married 11 november 1784 at Patcham Sussex. > > > > > Robert Penfold Wanganui NZ. > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 146 > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > Hi Robert, I am also descended from William Penfold and Elizabeth Brayne, the only information I have is as follows:- Thomas PENFOLD married Elizabeth 1730 at Hurstperpoint. He died at Hurstpierpoint 31st May, 1745 He had 3 children:- Elizabeth Penfold born in Hurstpierpoint in 1731 died 14th August 1731 William Penfold born Hurstpierpoint in 1734, died 23rd March 1803 at Hurstpierpoint married (1) Saah NYE 7th Sptember 1758 (2) Sussannah JENNER 7th March 1796 They had 5 children Thomas Penfold born in 1735 William Penfold and Elizabeth Jenner's children were:- Nanny Penfold baptised 15th July 1759 married Richard HOLDER 7th Nov 1781 at Hurstpierpoint William Penfold baptised 1st Nov 1761 died in Patcham 6th July 1805 married Elizabeth Brayne 13th Oct 1824 Sarah Penfold baptised 22nd Jan1764 at Hurstpierpoint Thomas Penfold baptised 8th Aug 1767 at Hurstpierpoint James Penfold baptised 6th Jan 1769 at Hurstpierpoint I am descended from William and Elizabeth's son John married to Ann?, Arlene is descended from his son James married to Francis Ford. Look forward to hearing from you. Jackie Macleod

Researching ancestors of William Penfold and Elizabeth Brayne[Brain],married 11 november 1784 at Patcham Sussex. Robert Penfold Wanganui NZ.

Robert- I can claim them- have lots of information on the descendants of that branch- nothing much more on William that is positive- and nothing on Elizabeth Brayne - Let me hear from you soon- Arlene in Maine- USA Subject: [Penfold] family > Researching ancestors of William Penfold and Elizabeth Brayne[Brain],married 11 november 1784 at Patcham Sussex.

Hi All Thanks to everyone for the advice. In response to Trevor I have Family Origins Version 6. I have checked it since receiving your replies and it does have import GEDCOM under File. How do get Family Origins to see the GEDCOM file I've been sent? It can't find it if I try to import from Family Origins. If I try to open the GEDCOM file from the email I get a msg that windows cannot find AcroRd32.exe . Does anyone know what this is? Guess I'm not very good at this. Hope you can help some more. Best wishes Julie

Hello Julie, You can download the Personal Ancestral File program from the LDS for free, go to www.familysearch.org then click on the link at the top right of the page ORDER/DOWNLOAD PRODUCTS, then click SOFTWARE/DOWNLOADS FREE, the first one on the list is the newest version of the program. All the Best, Barbara Lannigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 1:05 PM Subject: [Penfold] Gedcom files > Hi All > > Can anyone tell me how I open GedCOM files? I have had a number sent to > me now with interesting sounding information in them but I cannot open > them. Do I need any special software? > > Hope someone can help. > > Julie Martin > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 145 > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Julie, Yes, you need software that enables you to do family trees. In that software you would import the file into either a new family tree file or an existing one if you wished to merge data John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 6:05 PM Subject: [Penfold] Gedcom files > Hi All > > Can anyone tell me how I open GedCOM files? I have had a number sent to > me now with interesting sounding information in them but I cannot open > them. Do I need any special software? > > Hope someone can help. > > Julie Martin > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 145 > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Julie, Family Tree Maker is one of the programs that opens gedcoms; it turns them into .FTW files. Usually throws up a few errors in my experience but the data seems to import well. I imagine other geneology files can pull the same trick. Windows notepad or any other ASCII text editor will also open them but all you get is the flat file listing with one line per record field which takes hours of puzzling to work out. Example for a search on John DOE dying in the States around 1960 is 0 HEAD 1 SOUR SSDI 2 VERS 2.2 2 NAME U.S. Social Security Death Index 2 CORP The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 3 ADDR 50 East North Temple Street 4 CONT Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 2 DATA U.S. Social Security Death Index 3 DATE 30 Sep 2000 3 COPR The information in this file is from the United States government 4 CONT records and is in the public domain. 4 CONT No claim to copyright is expressed or implied. 1 DEST PAF 1 DATE 8 FEB 2003 2 TIME 17:43:52 1 FILE FILENAME.ged 1 GEDC 2 VERS 5.5 2 FORM LINEAGE-LINKED 1 CHAR ANSEL 1 SUBM @SUB01@ 1 SUBN @N01@ 0 @SUB01@ SUBM 1 NAME Created by FamilySearch (TM) Internet Genealogy Service 1 ADDR 50 East North Temple Street 2 CONT Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 0 @S01@ SOUR 1 AUTH The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 1 TITL U.S. Social Security Death Index 1 PUBL This data is only accurate as of 30 Sep 2000 1 REPO @R01@ 0 @R01@ REPO 1 NAME Family History Library 1 ADDR 35 N West Temple Street 2 CONT Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 USA 0 @N01@ SUBN 1 DESC 1 1 ORDI N 0 @I1@ INDI 1 NAME John /DOE/ 2 GIVN John 2 SURN DOE 1 BIRT 2 DATE 01 APR 1920 2 PLAC California 1 DEAT 2 DATE SEP 1960 1 NOTE Social Security Number: 549-01-XXXX 1 NOTE The state listed in the birth locality field 2 CONT is where the Social Security Number was issued. 1 SOUR @S01@ 0 @I2@ INDI 1 NAME John /DOE/ 2 GIVN John 2 SURN DOE 1 BIRT 2 DATE 12 FEB 1920 2 PLAC Texas 1 DEAT 2 DATE AUG 1960 1 NOTE Social Security Number: 464-10-XXXX 1 NOTE The state listed in the birth locality field 2 CONT is where the Social Security Number was issued. 1 SOUR @S01@ 0 @I3@ INDI 1 NAME John /DOE/ 2 GIVN John 2 SURN DOE 1 BIRT 2 DATE 23 JAN 1920 2 PLAC Kentucky 1 DEAT 2 DATE SEP 1960 1 NOTE Social Security Number: 400-26-XXXX 1 NOTE The state listed in the birth locality field 2 CONT is where the Social Security Number was issued. 1 SOUR @S01@ 0 @I4@ INDI 1 NAME John /DOE/ 2 GIVN John 2 SURN DOE 1 BIRT 2 DATE 18 JAN 1920 2 PLAC Tennessee 1 DEAT 2 DATE NOV 1960 1 NOTE Social Security Number: 409-24-XXXX 1 NOTE The state listed in the birth locality field 2 CONT is where the Social Security Number was issued. 1 SOUR @S01@ 0 @I5@ INDI 1 NAME John /DOE/ 2 GIVN John 2 SURN DOE 1 BIRT 2 DATE 01 MAY 1910 2 PLAC Oklahoma 1 DEAT 2 DATE JUL 1960 1 NOTE Social Security Number: 444-09-XXXX 1 NOTE The state listed in the birth locality field 2 CONT is where the Social Security Number was issued. 1 SOUR @S01@ 0 @I6@ INDI 1 NAME John /DOE/ 2 GIVN John 2 SURN DOE 1 BIRT 2 DATE 13 NOV 1910 2 PLAC Virginia 1 DEAT 2 DATE OCT 1960 1 NOTE Social Security Number: 227-12-XXXX 1 NOTE The state listed in the birth locality field 2 CONT is where the Social Security Number was issued. 1 SOUR @S01@ 0 TRLR HTH John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Martin" <julie@housemartin.f9.co.uk> To: <PENFOLD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 7:05 PM Subject: [Penfold] Gedcom files > Hi All > > Can anyone tell me how I open GedCOM files? I have had a number sent to > me now with interesting sounding information in them but I cannot open > them. Do I need any special software? > > Hope someone can help. > > Julie Martin > > > ==== PENFOLD Mailing List ==== > Researching: Penfold, Pennifold, Penford and other variants > Email addresses subscribed to list: 145 > Penfold Resource Website: http://member.telpacific.com.au/kylee/penfold_genealogy/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >