Hi, Joanie.. Just for anyone needing an approximate date for research into this, when was your Dad two or three years old? Nola RE:    Message From: GTNEL@aol.com Date: Tue, Dec 14, 1999, 12:41pm (PST+3) To: PAYNE-L Hi Joanie This message came only to me. I think you intended it for the list so am forwarding it on. Hope someone has info for you. Anne HI all, I am trying to get information on my grandfather that was killed in the biggest cave in in West Virginia. My father was two or three and doesn't remember much about him as does his sister's and brother. I don't know much about him and the things I do know I haven't been able to trace back to him. He married Monnie Madeline Goldsmith but that is all I know I do know that his name was John William Payne. If you can help me I would be forever greatful. Thanks so much, Joanie