Hi David, Thanks very much for your interest and help. Good to hear from you. The Payne/Hollinsheads you named are related to Barb and Sue I believe. These Hollingsheads seem to descend from an Israel Hollinshead b Canada 1817, then in IA by at least 1830's , then to Cherokee Co NC in 1850. His wife, Louisa, had been born in NC although I suspect they met and married in IA where their children were born. His appearance in Cherokee Co NC in 1850 when Asa and Nancy are there tweaked my interest but his 1850 NC appearance seems to be his entrance to the Southern states and Asa's wife Nancy was apparently born in the South @ 1814. Those versed in the Hollinshead lines know nothing of Israel. I have traced him back in time as well as forward to some of his descendants and they knew nothing of him either so at least I was able to give them some information on their family. Somehow I seem to be learning about the lines of others and running in place where my own is concerned. Thanks again and Happy Holidays . Regards, Karen Shelton In a message dated 12/13/99 1:48:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, otime@hotmail.com writes: << Karen, I have a family of Hollingshead/Payne that may be of interest to you. Not my line but I have some info on Harrietts ancestors. Descendants of A.T.W. (William Atwater) Payne 1 A.T.W. (William Atwater) PAYNE b: Jan 11, 1828 in GA d: Oct 08, 1880 in Monroe Co. TN Fact 1: Robin Yakhour's line .. +Elizabeth HOUSTON m: in Monroe Co. TN . 2 Josephine PAYNE . 2 Mary Ann (Pop) PAYNE . 2 Elizabeth J. PAYNE . 2 John Chester PAYNE b: 1850 in GA d: 1923 ..... +Laura Clementine PAYNE b: 1854 in TN m: Mar 18, 1871 in Monroe Co. TN d: 1939 in Jones Co. TX Father: George Washington PAYNE Mother: Nancy HOOPER ..... 3 Selena Eveline PAYNE b: 1872 d: 1949 ......... +Joseph Marion DALTON *2nd Wife of A.T.W. (William Atwater) PAYNE: .. +Jane POWEL *3rd Wife of A.T.W. (William Atwater) PAYNE: .. +Elizabeth MURRY b: Abt. 1843 in Monroe Co. TN . 2 Thomas PAYNE . 2 Jane PAYNE . 2 Harriett PAYNE b: Dec 21, 1861 in Monroe Co. TN ..... +Harvey W. HOLLINGSHEAD ..... 3 William HOLLINGSHEAD b: May 09, 1877 ..... 3 Thomas J. HOLLINGSHEAD b: Sep 26, 1878 ..... 3 James B. HOLLINGSHEAD b: Jun 03, 1880 ..... 3 Lurie V. HOLLINGSHEAD b: Feb 17, 1883 ..... 3 M.A. HOLLINGSHEAD b: Feb 04, 1885 ..... 3 John P. HOLLINGSHEAD b: Aug 29, 1886 ..... 3 Olivia HOLLINGSHEAD b: Feb 24, 1889 ..... 3 Charley H. HOLLINGSHEAD b: Mar 21, 1891 ..... 3 Harriett HOLLINGSHEAD b: Jan 03, 1893 ..... 3 Gus HOLLINGSHEAD b: Aug 28, 1895 ..... 3 Nola May HOLLINGSHEAD b: Mar 06, 1898 ......... +Lum HAMBY >>