Patrick, Just think of the PAYNE list as a warm-up round for VAroots. On the VAroots list one can get flamed for the mere suggestion that the lifestyles of our ancestors have anything at all to do with genealogy. I have been skewered in private posts from that list more than once. This is why your computer company has provided you with a delete key :-) If you do not find deleting to be satisfactory, there are available to you some time-honored Anglo-Saxon words and phrases that can be sent via return Email. Above all, remember that anyone who ever did anything worthwhile had detractors. The results of your research seem to be hitting a nerve with many people. Some react positively, some negatively. Either reaction is far better than being ignored! Bill Hobbs