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    1. Catherine PAYNE- grandmother of Oliver CROMWELL
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    3. The following document and the subsequent note, are copied from "The Marriage, Baptismal and Burial Registers of Westminster Abbey," collected and published in London, 1876, by Col. Joseph L. Chester, LL.D., the late distinguished American genealogist. The Royal Warrant for the Disinterment of Certain Commonwealth Personages. It is his Maiesties express pleasure and command that you cause the bodies of the severall persons undernamed, wch have bin unwarrantably interred in Henry the 7th and other chappels and places wthin the Collegiate Church of Westminster since the year 1641, to be forthwith taken up, and buried in some place of the churchyard adioning to ye said church, whereof you may not faile, and for so doing this shall be yr warrant. Dated at ye Court at Whitehall Sept. 9, 1661. "Henry 7th Chappel." Dr. Isaac Dorislaus, Coll. Richard DEAN(E), Mrs. Elizabeth CROMWELL, Coll. Humphrey Mackworth, Sr. William CONSTABLE, Thomas May, and fifteen others. Before getting into CROMWELL, I cannot fail to mention the DEANE and CONSTABLE connections to the PAYNE families of America in the 17th century. DEANE marriages include: HIGGINS, ATWOOD, THACKER, and SNOW. All families closely associated with PAYNE'S in New England through their intermarriage's within these families. See Mayflower Families, The Great Migration, Thomas LECHFORD'S Note-Book, etc. for more data. The wife of Col. Richard LEE was Ann CONSTABLE, who m2. Edmund LISTER. Richard and Ann LEE were the parents of John LEE, who was most likely identical to the man which brought William PAYNE, Sr. to Dorchester County, Maryland from Virginia in 1673 as a headright. Son Richard, Jr., married Lettice CORBIN, daughter of the merchant Henry CORBIN and his wife Alice ELTONHEAD. The PAYNE connection to the THACKER, ELTONHEAD, and CONWAY families are fairly well documented. Another son, HANCOCK LEE, married first Mary KENDALL and second Sarah, daughter of Isaac ALLERTON, Jr. and his wife Elizabeth WILLOUGHBY. Again, we find PAYNE's intermarrying with these families as well (see my Family File). Daughter Anne LEE married Thomas YOUELL, a surname that appears in the shipping records with PAYNE, HAWES, PRESTON, BULLOCKE, and others during the early 17th century. The Note attached to the document of 1661 states, "The mother of Oliver CROMWELL, "The Protector," daugther of William STEWARD, of the City of Ely, Esq., by his second wife, Catherine, daughter of Thomas PAINE, of Castle Acre, Norfolk, Esq. She appears to have been a second child of this name, and baptized at Holy Trinity, Ely, 28th October, 1565. She married there 10th Feb. 1588/9, William LYNNE, gent., who was buried there 17th March 1589/90. She married secondly, about a year after her first husband's death, Robert CROMWELL, of Huntingdon, Esq., by whom she was mother of the Protector, and who was buried at All Saints', Huntingdon, 24th June 1617. If the above dates are correct, she had just entered her ninetieth year. She died 18th November, 1654. and was buried in great state, contrary to her express desire. Before the disinterment of her remains, the body of her son, Oliver CROMWELL, buried 26th September, 1658, had been exhumed and hung at Tyburn. Page 521. There are a number of correlations to be found here. First is the mention of the town of Ely in Cambs. which lies in close proximity to the lands held by: · Sir Thomas PAYNE of Market Bosworth, Leicester, who, along with most of his family, removed to the area of Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk · Robert PAYNE of St. Neot's, Hunts. and his grandson, Sir Robert PAYNE, a subscriber of the London Company in 1609 and again 1612 and MP for Huntingdonshire · The PAYNE family of Great Ellingham and Attleborough, Norfolk which lies just east of Ely, north of Bury St. Edmunds and southeast of Castle Acre, Norfolk- the home of Thomas and Margaret PAYNE, and their daughter, Catherine PAYNE CROMWELL (AKA WILLIAMS). The family of Sir Thomas, upon their removal to Suffolk, resided nearby, just to the SE, at Worlington, Hengrave, and in and around Bury St. Edmunds- where they became the Bailiff's of Hengrave for the Duke of BUCKINGHAM (STAFFORD) and Sir Thomas KYTSON; and the Attorneys for the Earl and Countess of BATH (BOURCHIER)- a title also held, in succession, by the GRANVILLE and the PULTENEY families. The CARTERET family intermarried with the GRANVILLE'S (and MONTAGU'S) and thus held the title of Earl GRANVILLE 1714-1766 (although they preferred the families traditional spelling of GRENVILLE- another family of interest, who held the title of BUCKINGHAM 1784-1889). Sir Thomas PAYNE of Leic/Suffolk, married Margaret PULTENEY, an ancestor of the later Earl of BATH. Albert W. PAINE, in "PAINE Genealogy- Ipswich Branch" published in 1881 (entered according to Act of Congress, in the year 1881, in the Office of the Librarian of Congress), relates that, "William PAYNE (son of Edmond), was a man of much note and importance in his day, being in the service of Edward STAFFORD, Duke of BUCKINGHAM, as bailiff of his Manor of Hengrave. In 1521, the Duke having been convicted of conspiring against King Henry VIII. to establish himself in power, as his successor, was, by order of the King, put to death. The office thus becoming vacant by the death of the Duke, PAYNE lost his place as Deputy, and was obliged to retire to private life. The Duke's successor, however, appointed PAYNE'S son (Henry) to the office held by the father." Regarding Henry PAYNE, Albert states, "he came to reside in Bury St. Edmunds, in the County of Suffolk. He was a lawyer by profession, a member of Lincoln's Inn, Esquire. During his life it was that Henry VIII. dissolved so large a part of the Catholic monasteries of England, and seized upon their effects, converting them to his own use and purposes. In the 37th year of that King's reign, A.D. 1546, PAINE purchased of the Crown and received a grant in fee of the Manor of Nowton, the advowson of the church and the hereditaments in Nowton belonging to the dissolved monastery of St. Edmund, one of the most celebrated monasteries in the Kingdom. He also purchased the Grange in Thorpe Riggnoll, in the County of York, parcel of the lands of the Priori of Worksop. For the grants he paid to the Crown, as consideration, the sum of 647.18.2. The sale of the Manor was made subject to a lease then existing in favor of Wm. STERNE for twenty years for the yearly rent of 25.13.9. By this purchase, PAINE became Lord of the Manor of Nowton, a right or dignity which followed the law of inheritance. After the fall and consequent death of BUCKINGHAM (STAFFORD), as has already been related, and the consequent dismissal of PAINE'S father as bailiff, the DUKE'S successor, Sir Thomas KYTSON (?), appointed his son Henry to the same office of bailiff of the Manor (at Hengrave). PAINE was also counsel for the Earl and Countess of BATH (BOURCHIER), and the Earl on his death bequethed to him for a rememberance, a gold ring of the value of 40s., and the Countess styling him "her loving friend." directed by her will, that he should be associated with her executors, and gave him a legacy of 20.0.0." The association of this PAINE family to STAFFORD, VILLIERS, BOURCHIER, thus becomes clear. I am unsure about "Sir Thomas KYTSON." There is no mention of him in my "Directory of British Peerages," particularly in regard to the title of BUCKINGHAM, which appears to have transferred to the VILLIERS family. This would make much more sense and is in line with the associations with these families by a number of PAYNE families- in Hunts., Cambs., Suffolk, Norfolk, and Jersey in the Channel Islands. Add in MONTAGU, CARTERET, and PEPYS, and their associations with the same PAYNE families, and it becomes possible to solidify the connections between the various branches. However, there is a connection to be found here to the KYTSON family. The following comes from Historian General Larry D. McClanahan: "Much of the prosperity of the early Washington's was through marriages in the male line to wealthy widows. These marriages brought increased landholdings and greater status. Through John Washington's marriage to Margaret Kytson was brought a connection to the Spencer line which produced the future Sir Winston Churchill. A later marriage of John's great-grandson Lawrence in the late 1500s to Margaret Butler brought a connection to the Plantagenet line. Lawrence's second son, William, married Anne Villiers, half sister of George Villiers, Duke of Buckingham and confidant of Charles 1. Their son, Colonel Sir William Washington, was a commander under Charles at the Battle of Edgehill in 1642 in the English Civil War. The fifth son of Lawrence and Margaret Butler Washington was the Reverend Lawrence born in 1602 at Sulgrave. His education was from Brasenose College, Oxford, obtaining B.A., M.A. and B.D. degrees while serving as proctor and lector." Thus, we find here even more evidence of the later 17th century connections in Virginia to the PAYNE family. The town of Castle Acre, Norfolk, in which the said Thomas PAINE, Esq. lived is very near to the families old home of Stephen PAYNE and others at Great Ellingham and Attleborough. Bury St. Edmonds, Boxted, Worlington, Soham, Histon, and St. Neots are also in the area and these were all areas where Sir Robert PAYNE, William PAYNE, Guilles and Peter PAYN, Henry PAYNE, PEPYS, CROMWELL, and others of interest lived and conducted business. Robert PAYNE (great-grandfather of Sir Robert), who is thought to have been the elder son of Sir Thomas of Market Bosworth, resided at St. Neot's, Huntingdonshire, near to CROMWELLS home in Huntigdon and St. Ives. The MONTAGU and PEPYS families employed PAYNE'S within their households as cook maids and "watermen" (providing "victuals" to the fleet most likely). Samuel PEPYS stated in his famous diary that when the PAYNE'S left his service it was to join the Lord CHAMBERLAIN'S (a position held by the MONTAGUS under King Charles I). Derek Wilson, a well-known English Biographer states in "The King and the Gentleman," (St. Martin's Press), p. 183, "Between 1623 and 1625 the knights of the shire (Huntingdonshire) in Parliament were Edward MONTAGU and Sir Oliver CROMWELL. In the election of 1625 CROMWELL was replaced by Sir Robert PAYNE, a friend and protege' of the Kimbolton family. The new order was harshly emphasized two years later by the sale of Hinchingbrooke to the MONTAGUS." This reference, and the records themselves, establishes that Sir Robert PAYNE was, in fact, a close associate of CROMWELL, whose grandmother was Catherine PAYNE, daughter of "Thomas PAYNE, Esq., of Castle Acre, Norfolk." However one choses to approach this connection, it is unavoidable to NOT associate Sir Robert with either the NORFOLK or the SUFFOLK branch of the PAYNE family. I chose both for the evidence is compelling that we are talking one family. Either the Thomas PAYNE, Esq. "of Castle Acre, Norfolk" and Sir Thomas PAYNE "of Market Bosworth, Leic." were the same man- or they were closely related. They were both born about the same time (1500) and they both married a Margaret (Thomas of Leic. m. Margaret PULTENEY. Thomas of Norfolk m. Margaret ?). This association must have been one of great division between the family as it is apparant that within this family there were ROYALISTS on the one side and PARLIAMENTARIANS on another. Between the PAYNE relationship's with the MONTAGU, CROMWELL, STAFFORD, VILLIERS, PEPYS, and CARTERET families, there must have been major political and religious differences between members of the family- similar to what historians record happened within the MONTAGU family. Not far to the west, in Hereford, are the remains of Goodrich Castle which was a Royalist stronghold during the Civil War, defended by 104 Royalists. There is a CROMWELL exhibit there and although I do not know CROMWELL'S connection to Goodrich, it is interesting that it lies next door to Tobias PAYNE's haunts and is the neighboring village to where the SCUDAMORE family lived. A SCUDAMORE is named in the 1649 will of Tobias PAYNE of Kings Caple. Furthermore, the Arms of at least three different PAYNE branches are found in the same area- Sir Robert PAYNE held land and license to sell tobacco, Guilles and Peter PAYN of the Jersey family owned land here, and finally, the family of Sir Thomas of Leicester are found here- all living near to one another. Additonally, Oliver CROMWELL married Elizabeth, daughter of James BOURCHIER, another name prominent in Jersey and associated with the PAYN and CARTERET family there. All facts which are hard to dismiss. (see "An Armorial of Jersey," J. Bertrand PAYNE) Oliver CROMWELL was to receive a letter from Colonel Robert LILBURNE dated 22 September 1653; " There Happened a most violent storm, which continued for 16 or 18 hours together, in which we lost a small man of war called the SWAN, the MARTHA and MARGARET of Ipswich, wherein was all our remaining store of ammunition and provision... but that which was most sad was the loss of the SPEEDWELL of Lynn, where all the men that were in her, being 23 seamen and soldiers (except one) were drowned... and all this in sight of our man at land, who saw their friends drowning, and heard them crying for help, but could not save them." The connection of these ship's to the network are unquestionable. The most significant of these being the SPEEDWELL of Lynn. This ship was owned by John WINSLOW, merchant of Boston, whose son-in-law was Tobias PAYNE, Mariner. His grandson, William PAYNE, was a merchant of Boston and two of WINSLOW'S sons lived for a time in Charles County, Maryland where Thomas PAINE of St. Mary's had first patented land as early as 1644. Thomas GATES was aboard the SWAN in 1609 and his wife Elizabeth WEEDON came to Virginia aboard the WARWICK in 1620. The WARWICK was under the command of Col. Henry FLEETE, whose widow, Sarah, married, as his second wife, Col. John WALKER. Their daughter, Sarah WALKER, married before 1685, Edwin CONWAY, who married first, Elizabeth THOMPSON. John WALKER married first, Sarah ? and had three daughters. Jane WALKER married, as his second wife, John DEANE bef. 1679. John DEANE married first, Elizabeth THATCHER, daughter of Silvester THATCHER and Margaret (probably POWELL). Margaret's second husband was Warwick CAMMOCK, whom Robert PAYNE, alias DAVIES, Clerk of the Rappahannock County Vestry from 1662-1666, named in his will as an overseer (to ensure certain stipulations in his will were carried out). Robert PAYNE'S wife was Elizabeth LAWSON. Another Robert PAYNE married Catherine THOMPSON, daughter of John THOMPSON. Warwick CAMMOCK was the grandson of Thomas CAMMOCK, who had married Francis RICH, the daughter of Robert RICH, 2nd Baron RICH and a relative of Robert RICH, the Earl of WARWICK. Thomas CAMMOCK'S daughter, Martha, married Sir Richard SALTONSTALL, Provisional Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony. After the death of John WALKER, Sarah married after 1668, as her fourth husband, John STONE. Another daughter of John WALKER and Sarah ?, Anne, married first, John PAYNE, the son of John PAYNE and Margaret (probably ROBINSON, although most sources say JENNINGS) of Rappahannock County. Anne WALKER married second in 1703, John DANGERFIELD and had issue. John DAINGERFIELD, Jr., married as her second husband, Mary CONWAY, who had married first, James, son of William BALL. James BALL and Mary CONWAY had daughter Sinah, who married Daniel MCCARTY, who had married first, Anne Mary LEE, whose second husband was William FITZHUGH. Frances DANGERFIELD, sister of John, married Edwin, son of Henry THATCHER and Eltonhead CONWAY. Edwin's brother, Henry THATCHER, married Elizabeth PAYNE, the daughter of John PAYNE, Jr., and Anne WALKER above. I have written extensively on these intermarriages within the "merchant network." Although listing them in this way is tedious to follow, I know of know other way of demonstrating the degree to which the families of New England, Virginia, and Maryland intermarried. Particularly the PAYNE'S of those colonies- who unquestionably shared a relationship that trancended coincidence or mere association by marriage. To understand this, apart from the numerous marriages that tied them together, all we need do is look to the shipping and business records which also associates them. Again, read my notes on those subjects. More details on these families can be found throughout my web site. I have no firm proof that Sir Thomas PAYNE of Market Bosworth had a daughter named Catherine. We know she was the daughter of "Thomas PAINE, Esq. "of Castle Acre, Norfolk." But, if my research is studied, it becomes apparant that these two Thomas PAINE'S were very closely connected to Sir Robert PAYNE of St. Neot's, Hunts. Further research needs to be done, but I hope I have established yet another lead to follow which will ultimately help in solving our PAYNE mystery. I believe I have demonstrated very well, over a period spanning well over 500 years or more at this point, that these families shared similarities that almost certainly suggest a relationship between them, in England as well as throughout the colonies. If we take all the primary and secondary research together, literally, than we are presented with the unavoidable conclusion that through their relationships with CROMWELL, MONTAGU, BOURCHIER, PEPYS, STAFFORD, VILLIERS, FAIRFAX, KYTSON, and CARTERET, the PAYNE'S, represented by Sir Thomas PAINE of Market Bosworth, Leic. and of Suffolk; Thomas PAINE, Esq. of Norfolk; Robert PAYNE of Hunts.; Tobias PAYNE of Hereford, and finally, the PAYN family of Jersey- were at a minimum, well aquainted with one another. However, we cannot fail to also recognize that from these beginnings in the late 1400s, the connections between the branches continued on for an additional 300 years or more, ending in America where each of these families emigrated in the years between 1635 and 1637. The PAYNE mariners, although they were involved in the settlement of America, appear to not have settled, however, until the 1640s- or the completion of the "Great Migration" period; and the PAYN'S of Jersey that made their way to St. Kitts, due to their involvement on the side of the King during the Civil War, did not emigrate until the close of those hostilities. Nevertheless, their connections, from at least the 15th century on through the 17th (and well beyond in some cases) are simply undeniable.

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