Hello: Below I included my response to Judy's earlier query (which I had meant to post to list to find out if anyone knew where to find Reba Payne Saville's 1993 book). If this book has more information about this Payne family (descendents and ancestors of James T. Payne (m. 1826 E. Lampkin), then it might also include your (Ray Lewis) James and John (if they are indeed related to this family). Best of luck, Kathy Camp -----Original Message----- I dont have any further information about Fleming Payne, but I do have just a little bit more about his family. What I have is listed below. Most of this I learned from a listserv participant who referred me to a book written by Reba Payne Saville which was published in 1993. I have not yet had the time to look into this book, which looks like a very useful resource. Does anyone know how to find a copy of this book? Since James T. Payne and his daughter Nancy Ann Payne are discussed in a short section of this book (p. 151-2), I would think it likely that James' brother Fleming would be mentioned somewhere nearby. ************************************************* 1. Thomas Jefferson Payne (the site you mentions lists Nehemiah in this position; it could well be right) 2. Thomas Jefferson Payne, Jr. b. 1778 Orange Co., NC [was the sheriff of Greenville, SC] Children of THOMAS JEFFERSON PAYNE are: i. FLEMING PAYNE, b. 1801. ii. JAMES T. PAYNE, b. 1804, GA; d. 1855. iii. THOMAS J. PAYNE, b. 1807, SC iv. L. W. PAYNE, b. 1808, SC. v. CHARLES PATRICK PAYNE, b. 1812, SC; d. 1881, Hall Co., GA vi. WILLIAM PAYNE, b. 1815, SC 3. JAMES T. PAYNE b. 1804 GA; d. 1855; m. ELIZABETH LAMKIN December 21, 1826 in Hall Co., GA. Children of JAMES PAYNE and ELIZABETH LAMKIN are: i. JOHN R. PAYNE, b. 1828, Fulton Co., GA. ii. MARTHA EMALINE PAYNE, b. January 23, 1830, Hall Co., GA; d. August 1891, Atlanta, GA iii. SUSAN PAYNE, b. 1833, Hall Co., GA. 4. iv. NANCY ANN PAYNE, b. 1835, Hall Co., GA; d. Atlanta, GA?; m. GEORGE W. CAMP v. W. M. PAYNE, b. 1837, Hall Co., GA. vi. WARREN DECATUR PAYNE, b. May 13, 1839, Hall Co., GA. vii. MALINDA L. PAYNE, b. 1842, Cobb Co., GA. viii. BABETTE PAYNE, b. 1844, Cobb Co., GA. ix. ELLA L. PAYNE, b. 1846, Cobb Co., GA. x. RICHARD PAYNE, b. 1848, GA. -----Original Message----- From: JodieK444@aol.com [mailto:JodieK444@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 2:04 PM To: PAYNE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Fleming Payne/Hall Co., GA Hello and a happy Sunday to you all ... I came across a huge Payne file on the web which has the closest thing to my FLEMING PAYNE I've seen yet and I need some help. This file is on the descendants of ISAAC PAYNE SR. of Maryland and has this particular FLEMING PAYNE, b. 1801, as the son of THOMAS PAYNE, the grandson of NEHEMIAH PAYNE, and the great-grandson of ISAAC PAYNE. The file states that THOMAS PAYNE was born in 1777 in Hall Co., GA, which, of course, cannot be right because Hall wasn't created until 1818. But if he was born in that area that became Hall, would he have been born in Franklin County or in Indian Territory? One of the siblings of this FLEMING PAYNE is said to be a JAMES T. PAYNE who married in 1826 in Hall Co., so it appears that was the area the family was in. The birth places of Fleming's siblings seem to indicate that the family may have moved to SC by 1807 but came back to Hall Co. as indicated by the above marriage. The file also has some of these Paynes moving to Paulding County, GA which is right next to Carroll County where my Paynes eventually settled. I know there is a FLEMING PAYNE in the Hall County census in 1830 and 1840 and I'm trying to connect a FLEMING PAYNE in Monroe Co., TN in 1850 and Whitfield Co., GA in 1860 (who would have been born abt. 1801-1802 and said he was born in GA) to this earlier Fleming. The FLEMING PAYNE in Monroe and Whitfield was married to EVALINE ----. I realize information on the net is not always accurate, but this at least seems to point me in the right direction. Siblings of this FLEMING PAYNE b. 1801 and who appeared to be in the Hall Co. area are: James. T. Payne m. Elizabeth Lampkin in 1826 in Hall Co. Others Yea Payne (I have no idea what this means) Thomas J. Payne, b. 1807 in SC L.W. Payne b. 1808 Female Payne b. 1811 Charles Patrick Payne b. 1812, d. 1881 William Payne, b. 1815 Female Payne 2, b. 1816 Unfortunately, this file has no more on this Fleming Payne, no marriage, children etc. Is anyone out there connected to this family or can anyone give me any further information? I would really appreciate any help. And to the person who contributed this file, Joe Payne, thank you so very much for the lead. Judy