>Subject: [PAYNE-Pre1700] Daniel Payne 1660-1709 >To: PAYNE-PRE1700-L@rootsweb.com > >I am a descendant of Daniel Payne m. Hannah Scarbrough 1695 in >Accomacke, (North Hampton County,) VA. We have not been able to get a >line on Daniel's ancestors. Is there a possibility that he is connected >with one of the lines involved in the DNA study? Dear Bob (and everyone), Merry Christmas! I have purposely refrained from sharing my thoughts on this publicly. But since you brought it up, I'll share with you where I stand on the subject for what it's worth- which I might add isn't much more than what evidence is available. I've decided to share this with the lists in the hopes it will generate some ideas or thoughts. The lists are WAY to silent on things 17th-century and I'm beginning to wonder if any research at all on the period is going on! To address whether or not the DNA project might help settle this, I believe there is a good chance since members of the New England and Virginia Paynes are participating. It would be much better, of course, if we could include a descendant of Daniel Payne in the study. Anyway, here goes: As you may have seen in some of my recent posts, it has now been established with certainty that William Payne of Boston (proprietor of the iron works at Lynn on the Saugus), had conducted business on the Eastern Shore with at least one individual- Col. Edmund Scarburgh. Perhaps the only reason that we know this is due to the court activity that he sparked off in the attempt to collect a debt owed to him by Scarburgh. William Payne could not go to the Shore himself (he was probably way to busy with the iron works at the time), so he contracted with his "loving friend(s)" Capt. William Stangridge (initially) and Col. William Kendall to collect the debt on his behalf. The Order Books of Northampton County give the details of this. William Payne had a son by the name of Daniel who was born in 1635. He married a woman by the name of Hannah, although her surname has not been discovered to my knowledge. I would like to say that it had been Scarburgh, but there is a problem with this. There are two Hannah Scarburgh's of the Eastern Shore that I am aware of. The first being the sister of the said Col. Edmund Scarburgh. Of the two Hannah's I am aware of, she would be the most likely candidate as the wife of Daniel Payne. However, her only husband that can be identified was John Wise. But I don't feel she makes a very good candidate anyway if Daniel had married her in 1695 as he would have been 60 years old at that time. It's a possibility, but one that's hard to swallow. The other Hannah was the daughter of Edmund Scarburgh III by his 2nd wife Elizabeth. She would have been born in the 1660s or so, making her many years the junior of Daniel Payne of Boston. Also, she is known to have been the wife of Edmund Bayly in 1696, just one year after the marriage of your Daniel with a Hannah (Scarburgh). Three years later (1699) Bayly and Hannah sold land on the Shore that she had received from her parents. What makes this more confusing is that it appears that Daniel Payne's wife, Hannah, had married as her 2nd husband, William Foster of Northampton County. This information comes from "Loose Papers and Sundry Court Cases, 1628-1731, Northampton County, Virginia," vol. I, Jean M. Mihalyka. William Foster's name appears in "Virginia's Eastern Shore," Whitelaw, but it provides no useful details about his wife Hannah. It does, however, mention his wife (2nd?) Margaret Neale, daughter of John Neale and Elizabeth Southey. John Neale and Col. Scarburgh had been very closely associated, and as I had mentioned in previous posts, a William Payne had been building ships for William Claiborne's Kent Island fleet by 1632, one of these being the COCKATRICE, which Claiborne had first leased and then purchased from John Neale. All in all, I would tend to say that William Payne of Boston looks like a good candidate for being the William Payne associated with Claiborne, and that he and his son Daniel were in some way connected with the Scarburgh family (other than the fact the Edmund owed William money). Is it possible that Daniel married the widow of John Wise and sister of Col. Scarburgh? If so, then there would have had to have been undocumented marriage's with Daniel and William Foster. That is where I would begin looking. Col. Scarburgh had transported Ezard and Anne Payne to the Shore. This couple have not been identified, but I suspect they can be associated with the burgess Florentine Payne, who had been friends with the immigrant Richard Lee I. Daniel Payne's sister, Hannah, married Samuel Appleton, whose 3rd wife was Margaret Whittington, a surname closely associated with the Scarburgh's and Neale's of the Shore (see William Whittington). The Appleton's had intermarried with the Alington family of Suffolk, England, with whom Daniels ancestor's in that county had been well connected. Henry Payne, bailiff of Hengrave Manor, Suffolk, to Sir Thomas Kytson, had willed his Chaucer manuscript (no small gift!) to Giles Alington, grandson of Giles Alington and Ursula Drury. Members of the Drury family settled in Maryland. Then there is the fact that Capt. George Payne (whom I believe to have been the 3rd son of Sir Robert Payne of Huntingdonshire, and cousin of the Suffolk Paynes), had been a trading partner of the prominent merchant Maurice Thompson who, along with his brother Robert, had owned land on the Shore purchased from a William Waters in 1655. I have a note stating that Daniel Payne had also owned a part of this land (described by Whitelaw below). Later, a Nathaniel Payne, and his sons, Benjamin and Gerard Payne, were involved with the inheritance of the Waters family. The Paynes of Massachusetts are the ONLY Payne family I am aware of *during this period of time* to have named children Daniel, Benjamin, Nathaniel or Gerard. In July 1725 Hannah Foster (formerly Payne) asked for an allowance from the estate of William Foster [adm. 8 June 1725 OB 18:190] Her account shows Mr. Pole, Clerk's fee 150 lbs. of tobacco; 3 appraisers one day each 10.11.3; trouble in burying her husband 1.0.0; trouble in getting the estate-gathering it and paying it away- 1.0.0; coffin- 0.8.4; digging grave- 0.1.8; 1 bottle of rum to make the appraisers drink- 0.2.6. Total 4.2.2. Allowed. "With the widow Foster's petition is filed one by Thomas Griffith. He states that the Court ordered that the appraisers of William Foster's estate set apart John PAINE'S estate. Such has not been done since it was in corn and tobacco. The petitioner asks that the appraised value be awarded for the said PAINE. Allowed." The above suggests that Hannah PAINE, widow of Daniel married William Foster [see XIX:791 will of Daniel PAINE]. "Virginia's Eastern Shore," Whitelaw, p. 129, N23: "1652. This [N23] started out bravely as a patent to William Waters for 700 acres, but only a small part of it is indicated on the patent map as the rest was found to be an encroachment on N17. However, all dispositions from the whole will be traced as far back as possible. 1655 Waters assigned to Robert Thompson. 1662 Patent reissued to Robert Thompson, Jr., as son and heir of his father. 1678 Patent reissued to Thomas Thompson as heir to his brother Robert, Each of these reissues called for 700 acres, although Robert Jr., had made a sale before the reissue to brother Thomas. 1673 Robert Thompson sold 200 acres to George Esdell. This was on both sides of the present Fairview-Seaview crossroad and is the part shown on the patent map. 1687 George Esdell (wife Mary) left to sons Edward and George, the former received the part now north of the road." During the first years of the 18th century, this land passed to the Custis family. George Washington Parke Custis and Mary L. Custis (Mary Lee FitzHugh) sold 74 acres to William Stratton. "In 1697, Thomas and Mary Thompson sold 150 acres to Daniel PAINE; this was in the southwest corner of the original 700 acre patent. In 1702 William Willett had recovered it as part of N17 (part of the encroachment above most likely), but for a consideration he and his wife Anne now gave a quitclaim deed to PAINE who was then living here. 1708 Thomas and Esther Griffith gave to their son John, saying that the land had come to Esther from her father Daniel PAINE. Descent from John Griffith is uncertain, but somewhat later the bounds for an adjacent tract stated that a Hezekiah Griffith was then the owner here. He left no will, but his rights seem to have passed to his daughters. Rachel who married Eleazer Wilkins, and Esther who married Wittleton Wilson." As an aside here, William Calvert of St. Mary's, Maryland, had married Elizabeth, a daughter of Gov. William Stone of Northampton County at one point. Their daughter Elizabeth married 1 Jan. 1679, James NEALE, a kinsman of the Neale's of the Shore mentioned above. In 1673, William Calvert was a testator of the will of Thomas Payne of St. Mary's County. Also, in the record just above, we find the name of Hezekiah, which in my mind is a typically Puritan name, most often encountered in New England- not Virginia, although it obviously does occur there. I think clues like this are important to keep in mind as we know there was a lot of migration between colonies and this could possibly account for things like this. The William Willett above was Capt. William Willett (d. 1739), nephew of Sarah Douglas (his mother's sister) and Edward Littleton (d. 1663). This connection leads directly to the Neale's, Scarburgh's and Littleton's. Not to mention the Custis family and several others of interest to Paynes. The Willett family is also found in New England in association with Paynes. It is much to much to get into here other than to briefly sketch it out. The following can be found in "The Great Migration Begins," (Anderson), Thomas Lechford's Note-Book, 1638-1641, "The New England Merchants in the Seventeenth Century," (Bailyn) Thomas Willett, Mayor of New York, married Mary Browne of Watertown (sometime home of William Payne of the iron works). Their son James Willett of Plymouth (b. 24 June 1649), married on 17 Apr. 1673 at Rehoboth, Mass., Elizabeth, daughter of Peter Hunt, Jr. (14 June 1650-25 Aug. 1676) and Rebecca (20 Oct. 1656-12 June 1699), daughter of Stephen PAYNE, Jr. (20 Sept. 1629-24 Jan. 1677/8) and Anne Chickering. James Willett had a brother (two actually) by the name of Hezekiah, who married a first cousin, Anne Browne. James Willett also had a sister, Mary (b. 10 Nov. 1637) that married 22 Sept. 1658, Samuel Hooker, son of Rev. Thomas Hooker. They had a son Thomas Hooker who married 1685/6 Mary Smith (b. 7 Mar. 1642/3), former wife of Richard Lord. She was a daughter of Henry Smith and Ann Pinchon, daughter of William Pinchon. Pinchon was a merchant who came over with Winthrop, whose son John Jr. was the initiator of the iron works in which William Payne had been among the investors (and eventual proprietor). In the will of William Pinchon, proved Dec. 1662, he mentions "... business concerning the estate of Master Nicholas Ware in Virginia." Martha Smith, a daughter of Henry Smith and Ann Pinchon, married a Cammock before 1681. The Cammock had also been associated with New England and Martha Cammock has often been put forth as being a wife of Sir Richard Saltonstall. Her nephew, Warwick Cammock, was named as a supervisor of the will of Robert Payne (alias Davies) who married Elizabeth Lawson in Virginia. Turning for a moment to look into the Virginia connection between William Pinchon with Nicolas Ware, we find a Nicholas Ware (1625-1662) of Ratcliffe, Essex, who had married in July of 1655, Anna Vassell (6 Sep 1614), daughter of William Vassell (27 Aug 1592-13 Jul 1655) of Stepney, Middlesex, Ratcliffe, Essex (or Devon), and of Plymouth. More on the Vassell's in a moment. The first mention of Nicholas (I) Ware I have found is in "Cavaliers and Pioneers," vol. I, p. 476: "John Garrett and Nicholas Ware, 386 acres, New Kent County, 21 Aug. 1665, p. 253, (185). North side Mattapony River upon head branches of Hartequack Sw., beginning at mouth of Cattaile Branch & crossing Wolfe Branch. Trans. of 8 pers: Sarah Dibdall, Tim. White, Rowland Lurs., (?), Sa. Boucher, Wm. Bryan, Fran. Cooke, Agnes Buck, James Haines." This land was repatented on 22 Sep. 1682 to Nicholas Ware for 300 acres. (vol. II, p. 242), adjacent to land of John Ware. This land seems to have remained in the Ware family as late as 1683 when a Nicholas Ware is last mentioned in connection with it. This was presumably Nicholas Ware II who had married Elizabeth, daughter of John Garrett and Elizabeth Ware, perhaps a sister of Nicholas I (some claim she was a daughter). A sister-in-law of the Willett's (through the marriage of Mary with Samuel Hooker above), was Sarah Hooker, wife of the Rev. John Wilson, whose sister Elizabeth married in 1650, the Rev. Ezekiel Rogers (1590-23 Jan. 1660/1), whose uncle John Rogers (1538-1601) was the husband of Mary Leete (1542-1579), a cousin of Gov. William Leete (1612/3-Apr. 1683), who married on 1 Aug. 1636, Anne (1621-1 Sep. 1668), daughter of Rev. John PAYNE of Southoe, Huntingdonshire, whom we now know was a brother of Sir Robert Payne of St. Neots. The final member of the Willett family I'd like to mention was Sarah (b. 4 May 1643), another sister of James. Sarah married John Elliott, a son of the Rev. John Elliott by his 1st wife, Hannah (or Ann) Mumford. John Jr.'s stepmother (his father's 2nd wife), was Elizabeth, daughter of Major Daniel Gookin and his wife Mary Dolling. John Jr.'s stepmother Elizabeth Gookin was the granddaughter of Daniel Gookin and Mary Byrde, who had originally settled in Virginia before removing to New England. Elizabeth was also the niece of John Gookin, who had married Sarah (or Susan) Offley, the former wife of Adam Thoroughgood (15 July 1604-27 Apr. 1640) and the relict of Francis Yeardley, son of the Gov. George Yeardley and Temperance Flowerdew, and brother of Argoll Yeardley, whose 2nd wife had been Ann Custis, sister of Gen. John Custis II (d. bef. 10 Feb. 1695/6), who had 1st married Elizabeth Robinson (possibly the daughter of Richard Robinson who named John Payne (d. 1689) as his next of kin), and whose 3rd wife had been Tabitha (1639-1718), daughter of Col. Edmund Scarburgh, who owed William Payne of Boston the debt cited above. John Payne, as commander of the ship JOHN & DOROTHY, had brought Adam Thoroughgood to Virginia in 1634/5 (see Cavaliers and Pioneers, vol. I, p. 22; and the following record abstracts in the Library of Virginia's Colonial Records Project located at: http://eagle.vsla.edu/colonial/virtua-basic.html (just run a search on the ship name): SR04048, SR09979, SR10398, SR10399, SR10948, and many other records regarding this voyage. Depositions on behalf of John Payne included those of: Maurice Thompson, Col. John Walker, Capt. John Martin, and other's associated with John Payne of Westmoreland- John Payne the immigrant (who died 1689/90) of Westmoreland County (wife Margaret Robinson), had a son, John Jr., who married a daughter of Col. John Walker, this among other reasons for believing John Payne of the John & Dorothy was the same man as the immigrant of Westmoreland). Of the information on the Gookin's (which can hardly be considered a common surname!) in Virginia, we find: 1. Cavaliers and Pioneers, vol. I, p. 78: A patent to Daniel Gookins, Esqr., for 2500 acres in New Norfolk, Co. 2. p. 132: patent to John Carter for 1300 acres on Rappahannock River on Carter's Creek in 1642, due by assignment of Capt. Daniell Gookins. 3. p. 138: patent to Capt. Daniell Gookin, 1400 acres upon the north side of Rappahannock River, Nov. 4, 1642. There is a memo attached stating: 900 acres of the foregoing is due sd. Gookins by assignment from sd. Burbage for the servants mentioned: William Paine (among several others), Mrs. Mary Gookins, Samll. Gookins... 4. patent to John Gookin, Gent., 640 acres, Lower Norfolk County, Oct. 12, 1641 adjacent to Capt. (Adam) Thoroughgood's land. Whitelaw mentions the Gookins on p. 287: "Another son Francis [Yeardley], about 1645, married Sarah (Offley) who had been previously the widow of Captain Adam Thoroughgood and Captain John Gookin, both of Princess Anne County." Back on the Willett's (and once again, this is verifiable through "The Great Migration" and the other sources I've cited). Mayor Thomas Willett and Captain Miles Standish took the will of Stephen Hopkins on 17 July 1644. Mary Snow was a granddaughter of Hopkins and she was married to Thomas Payne of Eastham, Mass., while Standish's son, also named Miles, was married to Sarah Winslow, who married on his death, Tobias Payne, whose family hailed from Kings Caple, Herefordshire. He succeeded Miles Standish as Captain of the military company at Plymouth. A cousin of Mary Browne (wife of Thomas Willett), was John Browne (d. 28 Feb. 1687 at Salem, Mass.) who married in 1640 at Charlestown, Sarah (1618-6 June 1672), sister of Philip Walker (1629/30-20 Aug. 1679) and his wife Mary (or Jane) Metcalf (24 Mar. 1632-24 Oct. 1710), sister of Thomas Metcalf (27 Dec. 1629-16 Nov. 1702) who married Anne Chickering (d. 1 Jan. 1688), widow of Stephen PAINE, Jr. (29 Sep. 1629-24 Jan,. 1677/8). Turning to the Vassell's now, Anna Vassell's uncle, was Samuel Vassell, a man of Puritan convictions who was a founder of the Massachusetts Bay Company with John Winthrop. Samuel also began a series of ventures in Virginia and the West Indies in 1628 that occupied him over the next 20 years. His brother-in-law was the sea captain Peter Andrews, who was in charge of most of the Voyages to Virginia and the West Indies. The two men worked closely with the Virginian merchant-planter George Menefie, who was a 3rd member of their partnership, settled permanently in Virginia about 1640. However, like many merchants, he travelled many times back and forth between London and Virginia. In 1630, Samuel attempted to settle a colony in what is now South Carolina. Andrews and Vassell were to provide the transportation for the colonists and to supply the colony during its early stages. But for some reason the passengers were landed in Virginia and Vassell ended up paying 600 lbs in damages to the contractors of the colony. In 1640, Vassell was partnered with Maurice Thompson in a voyage to Virginia and the West Indies, along with a third partner, William Felgate, a brother-in-law of Thompson's brother-in-law William Tucker. Another partner of Maurice Thompson had been William Pennoyer. These men were also very active in the tobacco reexport trade to the Levant with Matthew Craddock, a cousin of Randall Mainwarring. Craddock was a kinsman of William Craddock who was the factor of the Sir William Cockayne, one of London's greatest merchants. Matthew Craddock was apprenticed to Cockayne in 1616, undoubtedly through this connection. Craddock was the first Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Company and established a plantation on the Mystic River by the end of the 1620s. During the 1630s he, along with the other merchants named above, was one of the leading Virginia merchants in the Virginia and West Indian tobacco and provisioning trades. The tight relationship between these men is of critical importance for us to understand if we are every to unravel the story of our Paynes I feel. "Merchants and Revolution," by Robert Brenner (1994 Princeton University Press) consists of over 700 pages specifically dealing with these relationships, which were essential to the success of trade with America during that time period of the 17th-century. Among other members of this complex merchant network were Capt. George Payne (sometime partner of Maurice Thompson), his brothers-in-law Randall Mainwarring, Nathaniel and Joseph Hawes, Richard Saltonstall, John Winthrop Jr., and Thomas Mayhew, who had been a factor for Craddock and associated with Winthrop as well. Mayhew had married the widow of Thomas Payne of Wantage, Berks. Capt. George Payne, married Rachel Hawes, making him a brother-in-law of Randall Mainwarring who had married Rachel's sister, Elizabeth. Mainwarring was a cousin of Craddock. Sir Robert Payne, who had also been a merchant of London and investor in the Virginia Company, had ties with the Hawes family. One of Sir Robert's unnamed aunt's had married a brother of Lawrence Hawes of Cambridgeshire who named in his will his brother "Robert Payne." I'm going to have to stop with this very brief overview. It would take a lot to thoroughly cover all of these connections- which is exactly what I've been doing for a very long time now! So I won't try to repeat all the effort here. It will come soon enough though. As I see it, we have a choice... We can write it all off (and I've just scratched the surface here, only covering some of what can be found in America. The same type of thing also occurs in England) as being one long series of coincidence upon coincidence- not to mention a very small world. Or we can agree that it indeed was a small world, but not due to any coincidence. A lot of HARD miles separated these families of Virginia and New England and there is no obvious reason to conclude that they would have randomly bumped heads in this way. I hope that the DNA project will help to support what the records appear to be telling us. We should know something soon! Patrick