One of my Great Great Grandmothers was an Ann Paine, born at Brampton Ash in Northamptonshire in 1817. Her Father was a Joseph who died in 1818 at about the age of 56. Ann had three brothers called Joseph, John and Henry. As she was born in 1817 and her father died in 1818, it is probable that her brothers were older. That would fit with your Joseph being born in 1813. The only problem is that my Ann's mother was also called Ann, whilst your Joseph's mother was Jane - I suppose a second marriage might have been possible with my Ann a step-sister of your Joseph. I haven't got round to researching this branch in detail yet because Ann complicated matters by marrying my Great Great Grandfather whose name was James Paine - in other words, I have two Paine lines to research! I have looked at the map, and the villages of Great Addington are not that far apart and are both adjacent to what is now the A6 and which then was probably the main road connecting Bedford, Kettering and Market Harborough. My Great Grandfather came from Glapthorn to Brampton Ash which is further away than Great Addington, so communications in the area must have been reasonable at that time. This may not be of much help but you never know! For fuller details, follow the link from my Family History page at www.paine.org/home/john.paine Happy hunting! John Paine -----Original Message----- From: Jim Payne <jr_bjpayne@xtra.co.nz> To: PAYNE-L@rootsweb.com <PAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 27 August 2000 08:41 Subject: PAYNE/PAINE 1813-1881 NTH; ( LEI; NTT); Barnsley, WRY, ENG >Hi Listers > >I have traced Joseph PAYNE s/o Joseph PAYNE or PAINE and Jane ROWE of Great >Addington, Northamptonshire, England to Barnsley, Yorkshire, England where I >now know there were three generations living from probably c1840 to at least >1881. This branch of the family also has ties to Loughborough, Leicester, >and [Hyson Green] Nottingham > >1)> Joseph PAYNE b1813 Great Addington, Northampton, England >1)> Mary PAYNE b1805 Nottingham, England >2)> John PAYNE b1846 Nottingham, Nottingham, England >2)> Marion S. PAYNE M b1847 Loughborough, Leicester, England >3)> > William J. H. PAYNE b1868 Barnsley, York, England >3)> Mary E. PAYNE b1869 Barnsley, York, England >3)> Lillian A. PAYNE b1871 Barnsley, York, England >3)> John C. PAYNE b1873 Barnsley, York, England >3)> Edwin H. PAYNE b1874 Barnsley, York, England >3)> Florance M. PAYNE b1886 Barnsley, York, England >3)Frederick C. PAYNE b1880 Barnsley, York, England > >Both Joseph and his son John were insurance agents for the Royal Liver >Society > >In the 1861 census Joseph and Mary PAYNE were at 120 Dodworth Road, >Barnsley; >in the 1862 Whites Directory there is reference to 68 Dodworth Road, >Barnsley which is described as a Servant's Register Office; >in 1863-1868 Joseph was at 12 Peel Street, Barnsley which was probably an >office; >in both the 1871 Census and the 1871 White's Directory Joseph was living at >68 Dodworth Road while 61/2 Church Street is given in the 1871 White's >Directory as the Royal Liver Friendly Society Office; and >in 1881 Joseph and Mary were at 53 Dodworth Road, Barnsley. > >In 1871 John and his family were living in 10 Waterloo Road, Barnsley, and >in 1881 132 Dodworth Road, Barnsley. > >Just to cause further confusion, the 1871 Census has Mary Ann HEWITT b1855 >Hyson Green, Nottingham, England living with Joseph and Mary as "niece" and >as "Grand Daughter" in 1881 > >Thank you for reading all this - if you recognize any of these names could >you please contact me > >Jim > > > >Jim & Bev Payne >NEW ZEALAND >jr_bjpayne@xtra.co.nz >