Hi Listers I have traced Joseph PAYNE s/o Joseph PAYNE or PAINE and Jane ROWE of Great Addington, Northamptonshire, England to Barnsley, Yorkshire, England where I now know there were three generations living from probably c1840 to at least 1881. This branch of the family also has ties to Loughborough, Leicester, and [Hyson Green] Nottingham 1)> Joseph PAYNE b1813 Great Addington, Northampton, England 1)> Mary PAYNE b1805 Nottingham, England 2)> John PAYNE b1846 Nottingham, Nottingham, England 2)> Marion S. PAYNE M b1847 Loughborough, Leicester, England 3)> > William J. H. PAYNE b1868 Barnsley, York, England 3)> Mary E. PAYNE b1869 Barnsley, York, England 3)> Lillian A. PAYNE b1871 Barnsley, York, England 3)> John C. PAYNE b1873 Barnsley, York, England 3)> Edwin H. PAYNE b1874 Barnsley, York, England 3)> Florance M. PAYNE b1886 Barnsley, York, England 3)Frederick C. PAYNE b1880 Barnsley, York, England Both Joseph and his son John were insurance agents for the Royal Liver Society In the 1861 census Joseph and Mary PAYNE were at 120 Dodworth Road, Barnsley; in the 1862 Whites Directory there is reference to 68 Dodworth Road, Barnsley which is described as a Servant's Register Office; in 1863-1868 Joseph was at 12 Peel Street, Barnsley which was probably an office; in both the 1871 Census and the 1871 White's Directory Joseph was living at 68 Dodworth Road while 61/2 Church Street is given in the 1871 White's Directory as the Royal Liver Friendly Society Office; and in 1881 Joseph and Mary were at 53 Dodworth Road, Barnsley. In 1871 John and his family were living in 10 Waterloo Road, Barnsley, and in 1881 132 Dodworth Road, Barnsley. Just to cause further confusion, the 1871 Census has Mary Ann HEWITT b1855 Hyson Green, Nottingham, England living with Joseph and Mary as "niece" and as "Grand Daughter" in 1881 Thank you for reading all this - if you recognize any of these names could you please contact me Jim Jim & Bev Payne NEW ZEALAND jr_bjpayne@xtra.co.nz