I received these mailings from Joyce and I havent heard of this before and wander if anyone can help her. Paynes by MamaJoice From: Mamajoice@aol.com Save Address - Block Sender To: otime@hotmail.com Save Address Subject: Payne Geneology Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:14:57 EST Reply Reply All Forward Delete Previous Next Close My husband's grandfather was John Wesley Payne, son of Jesse M. Payne of Franklin, Ga. The family story is that Jesse M. shot a carpetbagger, fled to TN, changed his name to James M., and subsequently came to Texas. He was married when he fled to TN, had at least one child, and had another, John Wesley, while he was in TN. The wife that is listed when he got to TX, was Mary Kate Mabry, and I can find one listing on Ancestry.com, for the combination of Mary Kate Mabry and Jesse Messer Payne. The problem arises because it shows the same birth date, same parents, etc. as Jesse Messer Payne, with Mahala Sartain. Do you have any knowledge of this? My thought is that not only did Jesse M. change his name in TN, but that of his wife as well. If you have any information to share on this, I would be so grateful. My e-mail is mamajoice@aol.com. My name is Joyce Polston Payne, and my husband is Edward M. Payne, Jr. Please do what ever you think you need to do to get any information on this. This tale of killing the carpetbagger and fleeing from Georgia is one I have heard since I have been a member of this family---and, that is over 50years. Only lately have I heard that he fled to TN, instead of coming straight to Texas. I just have a 'mystery-solving' kind of mind, and when I came across the 2 Jesse Messer Paynes, with the data matching, except for the wives, and then no further could I track Mary Kate Mabry---her history is recent ---as far as I could tell, though I was told that she has a connection with a Russell Mabry, and that that history was from Ephraim (4)---but, there doesn't seem to be a connection that I can find and verify. Frankly, if I were fleeing with a family, I would change all the records and names. The fact that bears on his having been in Tennessee is that John Wesley was born there. Thanks a lot, and I wish us both a lot of luck. Joyce Payne. I realized after I signed off yesterday that you did ask for more information and I will give you what I have, which isn't much. It did occur to me, last night, something that is a little strange. John Wesley Payne, my husband's grandfather, was 17 years younger than the brother that lived in Waco, James Franklin Payne. James F. Payne had a son, James Franklin Payne, Jr. What struck me last night, and I really do not know why I never thought of it before is this: these 2 brothers, John Wesley and James Franklin lived in town for years and never spent time together. The families were so separated that one side didn't even know about the other! A cousin explained that it was because of the dread "killed a carpetbagger' business and the need to protect the father: Jesse M. Payne/James M. Payne----that is maybe the deal in the beginning, but hardly plausible in these more enlightened times. The other thing that struck me was that in the John Wesley side of the family the custom has been to give the family watch, bible, etc., to the eldest son, and on down. But, John Wesley wasn't the oldest son in the family! My father-in-law was the oldest son of John Wesley and received the family watch, bible and when he died, the watch and bible came to my husband, and will go to our son, who is the oldest grandson. I'm just wondering if this was a family tradition from how far back---history tells us that in European families the first son gets it all and we just assumed that this was a carryover----but, it hit me last evening that John Wesley was not the first son! Have to track this down. I will forward after Thanksgiving the birth-dates and death-dates of the 2 brothers---and any other information I find. I will tell you though, that the father of those 2 brothers is buried in Lone Oak cemetery, Texas. Wouldn't it be interesting if James M. Payne buried in Georgia, is just a headstone? Joyce P. Payne. Thanks, David S. Payne View my surnames and complete file at: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=otime Searching for surnames mostly in Upstate SC/GA: ADDISON, ALLISON, ARENDALE/ARENDELL/ARENDALL, CANADY, COLEMAN, CORBIN, COX, CRAIG, DEAN, FOWLER, GILLILAN, HALEY, GORDON, GRAY, HENSON, JAMES, McMILLIAN, McPHERSON, MOODY, NEWTON, PARKER, PASSMORE, PATTERSON, PAYNE, POINDEXTER, REDWINE, REID, ROY, SHIRES, SWANN, WEST, WHITMIRE, WOODALL _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com