This is a reply to Phyllis Payne Turner and Virginia Payne, regarding Joseph and Pheobe Payne, of Bedford County, VA. I am a direct descendant of Joesph and Phoebe through their son James Payne who was married Sarah Anderson. My information comes from the PDA book by Gerald Wilson. There was a direct male descendant from this family named Dale Payne, living in Fayetteville, West Virginia. It's possible he is a descendant of Braddock Payne who married Sarah Craig. Braddock was the brother of my ggg-grandmother Lucy Payne Webb. I don't know if he subscribes to this list or not. It would be nice to know if this Payne family has ties to any of the other Paynes of Virginia. My grandfather's aunts claimed that we were related to Dolley Payne Madison. Two of them belonged to the DAR. I have been trying for years to get the information they submitted for membership. A cousin in Florida has a copy, but when I wrote she did not respond. Joseph is in the DAR Patriots Index. He gave 400 lbs of beef to the Continental Army. In return he was given approx. 400 acres. It would be nice if there are any male Payne's who are descendants of Joseph and Phoebe, who would be willing to participate. If my surname was Payne I would. Last year the Mumma/Moomaw family did DNA testing with very interesting results (I am a descendant of Leonard and Juliana Mumma). Josh D. Dean