Good luck, Kevin. Your message discusses a situation similar to mine with the WARINGs of Essex Co. There are significant omissions and errors in the genealogy of the principal genealogist, Hoskins. It was only through the help of online "cousins" that I was able to get information on my PAYNEs, John (b. abt. 1615 in England) and his son, Robert, the namesake of many WARINGs to follow. My PAYNE connection ends at Thomas WARING (b. 1719) --sixth great grandfather, who married Elizabeth (Betty) PAYNE in abt. 1738. She was allegedly born in Hanover Co. VA. date unknown. Would like to know more about Robert PAYNE who went by the name Robert DAVIES for a period of approx. five years prior to 1667 when his petition to restore his name as PAYNE was approved by the County Court at Rappahannock (later Essex) Co. Your message betrays (if that's the correct word) the problem with the PAYNEs, several groups of whom lived in Lancaster/Rappahannock/Essex Co. area in the 17th and 18th centuries. The Col. stated that among ". . .the fairly well defined groups of Paynes,. . .there does not appear to be any convincing evidence of consanguinity. . . ." I think it exists, but he just didn't have "proof." I trust you will post your findings on the PAYNE-L page etc. and we can follow it. Thanks for your posting. John Anderson ----- Original Message ----- From: To: PAYNE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: 7/27/01 8:52:06 AM Subject: Reuben Payne family of Orange, VA Fellow Payne researchers-- Are any of you researching the Reuben Payne family of Orange Co., VA? The reason I ask is that it is increasingly apparent to me that Col. Payne's reconstruction of this family in the Paynes of Virginia is seriously flawed. For example, a comparison of the Orange Co. and Rockingham Co. Marriage volumes by Vogt Kegley reveal at least one daughter unknown to Col. Payne. Second, William Harrison Payne, considered by Col. Payne to have been the eldest child and to have been born about 1776, is consistently tracked in the various census records of Rockingham Co. as having been born about 1791. This is not to criticize Col. Payne and I know that Vogt Kegley's books also contain errors. My interest is simply to accurately reconstruct this family. Can anyone help? Thank you. Kevin Thompson katatty@socket.net --- kS2Oc5yKeBE= dpVpTiYLRebzj//JP08P3A== --- mijojohn@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.