Hey list, You know, during our DNA testing it was completely lost on me and I could kick myself. I was so busy trying to find members of the Jersey Payn family to participate in our test that I completely overlooked the Paynes of Bedfordshire that had removed FROM St. Kitts to settle there during the late 18th century. Perhaps we would have better luck finding current members of this family willing to participate in our next round of testing? Has anyone on the list had correspondence with members of this family or at least aware of any? I quick search on my part reveals that there are likely descendants still in the Bedfordshire area and perhaps Ireland as well. I have found some Payne's bearing the names "Coventry" and "Philip Monoux" Payne that are probably members of the family to which these names occur. They would be descendants of Sir Gilles and Sir Charles Payne of St. Kitts, mentioned in "The Paynes of Virginia." They were certainly related to Baron Lavington as I have records of deeds where they claimed land in St. Kitts once owned by Baron Lavingtons family. An observation here is that the names Gilles and Ralph (together) only occurs in the Jersey family to my knowledge. I have found members of the Gloucestershire branch by the name of Gilles [and they happened to live not very far from Wiltshire, supposedly the home of Baron Lavingtons family]. But Ralph, particularly in early days, only seems to appear in Jersey. At least that's what my database tells me, so it is interesting and worth noting. The last known male of the family in my database was Sir Philip Monoux Payne b. 1858 of St. Kitts and Wootton, Bedfordshire, who d. 1935. He was a son of Coventry Payne d. 1849, possibly the Vicar of Hatfield Peverel, Essex, by his wife Harriett Wright. He had a great-uncle by the name of Sir Charles Payne of Tempsford Hall, Beds. who died in France 1841. If anyone has knowledge of current members of this family, please contact me. We REALLY need to see if we can get them tested so that we can confirm or lay to rest a possible relation between them and our Group 2, which includes Thomas and Ralph Payne (son Thomas m. Mary Montagu) of Lancaster and Middlesex, Va., Isaiah Payne (married Ann Williams) of Dorchester County, Maryland, and William Payne (married Celia Lewis) of Virginia. In addition to this, we also need to test descendants of the immigrant John Payne (d. 1689/90). While it is possible that George Payne (married Mary Woodson) was in some way related to Group 2, it has not been confirmed that he descended from the immigrant John. If we can test known descendants of John and compare the DNA results with Group 2, we will have better answers. I ask anyone who can assist in locating descendants of these branches to please contact me. I'm off to Salt Lake in the morning and will have news to report when I get back. Thank you! Patrick Payne