Dear Megan, I would love to have the information ! Word format is great... Thanks so much Julie [Payne] Manley Rush

William Taylor Payne married Sallie Frank Redmen Dec.25,1856.They lived at St.Joseph, Mo.Then Montgomery Co.Ks.Finally moving to Chelsea,I.T.about 1880. Is any one familiar with this family? Thanks ,Dwight

I just found this Payne site. I have gotten back to Benjamin Payne. He was born abt. 1750 in VA. and died in Barren Co., KY in 1832. He was married to a Mary (Polly). Children: John, James Madison, Benjamin M., William, Elizabeth, Jane, Letticia and Mary (Polly). I am trying to find out where in VA. he was born and his parents. Thanks for any help. Janice

If anyone is interested, I have a genelogical "story" written by my g-g granfather's sister. She was interested in genelology and so she recorded information about herself, her brothers and sisters and their ancestors. It is rather long (about 60 pages) but I have begun entering it in Word in sections. It has some locations of graves, etc. The woman that recorded it was name Martina Grace Payne Hammond (she went by Grace), her brothers and sisters were named James Ralph (my g-g grandfather), Mabel, Gladys, George Alfred, Joyce, Roy and Jessie. Their parents' names were Alfred Stewart Payne and Mary "Kansas" Magill. Alfred's parents were Jonas Payne and Emily Stewart. Well, I hope this is enough info. Since this is relatively recent (I believe this document was dated in the 60's) I will remove any info about anyone who might be alive, but I would be happy to forward on the documents. Right now they are in word format, but I can change them into a different format if necessary. By the way, I am from Seattle. Megan

I am putting together a small booklet for our family; historic info, family sheets and a short history on the origin and possible "meaning" of each of our family lines. This is NOT going to be published, but a computer copy, meant for our family only. I am asking for some assistance on the name, Payne. This is meant to be rather generic, but I hesitate to use the stuff received in the mail from Bath, Ohio. I only know that our Wayne Co. IL. Payne ancestor, Thomas, was b. in 1808 in N.C., so I have a lot of future research ahead of me! Thanks for whatever help you might offer! Sandra Brandt brandt@comwares.net

In a message dated 9/11/99 1:23:18 PM Central Daylight Time, brandt@comwares.net writes: << I hesitate to use the stuff received in the mail from Bath, Ohio. >> Yuck!!!!! Flush the Bath water down the toilet. Bath, Ohio is home of the genealogy con artists. Jno

Looking for information about Susannah Payne Daughter of Thomas and Margaret Payne. Susannah was born: 30 Sept. 1796 in Ohio married Morgan Lewis 29 June 1820 in Franklin Co. Indiana. Susannah is burried in Rochester Cem. Rochester, Andrew Co. Missouri. There were 9 children of this marriage: William, Nathan, George, John, Mary, Deborah, Rebecca, Mariah, and Evoline. Morgan Lewis Born:1794 Son of David Lewis and Elizabeth Hawkins. I would like to hear from someone who has been to the Cemetery where Susannah is burried in Rochester, missouri. I'm planning a trip to Missouri and it happens to be near where I'm going. I would like to know if this is an Old, abandoned Cemetery adn possibly where in Rochester it might be. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks Shelly Wittman swittman@mcn.net

After doing an awful lot of reading on Melungeons lately, I'm beginning to entertain the possibility that Thomas Sr.'s first wife (if there was one) might have been of this mysterious quasi-indigenous group. They are said to be a mix of American Indian (Pomunkey/Powhatan/Cherokee), Turkish Berber (North African) and what ever else came along afterward. Many of my old Payne and Monday ancestors referred to themselves as "Black Dutch." One of the earliest accounts of the Melungeon people in the mid-1600s described them as marrying, then "divorcing" frequently. Later, law forbid marriage between Melungeons and other groups. Even if, one party was also part Melungeon, but passed for white. This went on until well after 1900 and that is why many were forced to call themselves "Black Dutch, Black German and Black Irish." I am descended from Thomas Sr. and have the classic spoon shaped teeth of a Melungeon, but am white as snow. Other members of my family have symptoms of an affliction associated with a genetic defect on chromosome number 14 which has been identified with persons of Melungeon descent. I can trace back three generations of my Payne family. It is said, and I do say "said not proven" that Thomas Sr.'s first wife was Cherokee. Many early Melungeons were also simply referred to by their American Indian blood. Melungeons were known to have populated GA, SC,NC, TN and VA as far back as the early 1600s. Yes, even before Jamestown! Just another thought to pour into the kettle. Regards, Barb McCreary Visit my website at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hollow/9401/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Martha W. Acker <mwacker@bellsouth.net> To: <PAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 06, 1999 5:08 PM Subject: Thomas and Yanaka Payne > The phrase In the Will of Thomas Payne, Jr. of Franklin Co. GA 1786, > " all my brothers, stepbrothers and sisters" continues to cause > problems. > > WWWEBSTER DICTIONARY on line defines stepbrother as a son of one's > stepparent by a former marriage . Now that would really make for > problems! > but > The 1755 DICTIONARY OF SAMUEL JOHNSON defines the useage of " Step" as > one related only by marriage, and > WEBSTER'S 1828 DICTIONARY defines "step-brother" as a brother in law > or by marriage > There are, I'm sure, dictionaries from 1786, but these are the two > closest ones I have access to. > > I do not believe the terminology of the will shows Thomas Payne, Jr. was > > referring to brothers, HALF brothers and sisters. I > believe he was referring to his sister's husbands. > > This in no way precludes the possibility that some siblings were "of > the whole blood" and others > "of the half blood." But the will simply does not speak to that, and > can not be used to prove it. That is something that will have to > be proven in some other way. > > In addition, the wide range of birth dates listed for Thomas > Payne, Jr.'s mother, Yanaka Ayers > Payne (everywhere from 1722 to 1744) does not preclude the possibility > that she is the mother of > all the children. This issue is very important to those striving to get > the correct ancestors > > I suggest we curtail the speculation, stay open-minded on the subject, > and keep watching for evidence that Thomas Payne, Sr. did/did not have a > > wife previous to Yanaka, and for evidence that Yanaka > was/was not mother of all of husband Thomas' children. It would be very > helpful to discover evidence either way. > > Cordially, > Martha W. Acker > > > > > > >

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Looking for information about James J. Payne, Marshal in Fairmount, IN, who was killed in the line of duty by a man named Hooper in 1903. Father, Morris P. Payne; Mother, Eleanor "Nellie" Lewis; Wife, Eliza; sons Blanchard (or Richard) and John F. James was 55 years old when he was killed.

I'll be back, life is too busy at the moment.... thanks for all the support, assistance and education. Denise Smothers-Rust

+~~~+~~~+~~~+~~~+~~~+~~~+~~~+~~~+~~~+~~~+~~~+~~~+~~~+~~~+~~~+~~~+~~~+~~~+~~~+~~+ Jonathan David Endicott Payne Dalhousie University Halifax, Nova Scotia jpayne@ug.cs.dal.ca http://is2.dal.ca/~jpayne

Hi List, Old Little John's granddaughter has gone round the bend looking for these folks. I posted the poems yesterday and this is how he connects. Could the Payne lady who emailed me the information on her Payne Archer please resend the information? I meant to print it for future reference and deleted it instead. Thanks Jeanette Wheeler My gg-grandfather Charles E. (Emanuel?)Payne was b. in IN 1845-1846 according to his marriage license to Mary Catherine Waddle. They married 1-4-1874 in Marshall Co IN. The 1880 Marshall Co. In census lists Charles father born in VA and mother in KY. They named their first son Otho Andrew Payne. This is such an unusual name I am assuming that Charles father was Otho Payne. I find Otho Payne buying federal land in IL in 1838 and John Payne also bought land in 1838 both in Kankakee Il right on the border of Indiana. I find Otho W Payne in the Il census index from 1840-1849 and then in IA index from 1850 and 1852. Does anyone know anything about this Otho Payne? His wife, children or siblings? Charles E Payne and Mary Catherine Waddle had the following children 1. Otho Andrew Payne b. 8-7-1875 IN 2. John S. Payne b. 1878 IN 3. Issac Payne b. 1879 IN These children were listed in the 1880 census Marshall Co In In March of 1881 Charles and Mary moved to Pentwater, Oceana Co Michigan and then to Walkerville Oceana Co Michigan. They had the following children in Oceana Co. Mi. Ernest Edward Payne 2-16-1831 d. 2-12-1887 Daisy (Maude)Payne 5-21-1884 Charles C. Payne 3-1886 d. 6-8-1901 Harry (Harrison?) L. Payne 7-1889 I have extesive history on our branch, some pretty wild characters! If any of this rings a bell please email me direct. Thanks Jeanette Wheeler grandaughter of Charlie Payne, "Little John of Michigan"

Forgot part of the poem, sorry. Jeanette Hi list, I signed myself granddaughter of Charlie Payne "Little John of Michigan" the other day, thought you might enjoy knowing why. Are there any other archers or musicians in the family? Please print, will be easier to read, I think Thanks Jeanette Little John Of Michigan At a meet of the Michigan Bowman In Newaygo, in forty-two, A neat demonstration was given Of what a real bowman can do. With the best of the State for competition, And they no slouches, I swan. Though others may quail and miss targets. There's nothing can phase Little John. The second place man had Three-eighty, And pride in what he had done; But the always invincible Charlie Had a cool Six Hundred and One! You know of William Tell and the apple; What a marvelous feat he had done; Well, Charlie has also shot an apple >From the head of his first born son. But , " just as well" doesn't suit Charlie, And he outshines William Tell; His second son stood by the first-born And he split this apple as well! To the wilds of the Allegan Forest Came Charlie one day last Fall. With his staunch old hundred pound hunter, And an edge on his broadheads all. Just show me the tracks of the big one Said Charlie in his arrogant way I'll have him in camp before nightfall Little John wants venison today! The natives all stared in amazement But pointed where deer could be found So Charlie slipped into the forest Like a dog with his nose to the ground Well, evening found Charlie returning Having neatly fulfilled his part, An eight-point buck on his shoulder With a broadhead piercing its heart Oh Many are the bold adventures For hours I could write on About Charlie, the invincible archer Michigan's own Little John! Author Neal Houtman, poem appeared along with a hunting spread on Little John in Sports Illustrated Magazine fall of 1942. Grandpa then picked up his handmade guitar and entertained the troops! A MAN NAMED JERRY CULVER author unkown A man named Jerry Culver, Will you shoot for me Charley "The archer of the day" A slow arrow you know? Wandered in on Charley Payne I can't hit moving bullets, One sunny time in May You pull a powerful bow! "I'm pleased to meet you, Charley" With a four-inch pull of the bowstring The former had to say The arrow went its way "I'm looking for a Little John," Almost straight for Culver "An archer of the way" Five yards off we'll say "He's just a boasting bragger" A gleaming streaking broadhead Who claims he won the cup split the sunlit air Championships and ribbons And cut poor Culver's arrow And all that sort of stuff As a razor cuts a hair I'm not a boasting fellow, Charley pulled a blunt head I've never won a cup, Three sparrows on the fence But I'm going to find this Were taking in the scenery "Little John" Void of human glance "And really show him up" I never heard of "Little John" As Culver watched the archer Championships or cups The arrow won the play But what you say we shoot around, Straight in line those sparrows A little routine stuff? About 12 yards away Culver strung his hunting bow Culver stood and scratched his head Beautifully outlined And Charley stood and laughed Made by a noted craftsman Those three birds would fly no more Famous in his time Strung upon his shaft The quiver for his arrows "Jesus Christ! What Shooting!" Edged in shining pearl Who are you anyway? Was pictured on the side "Little John of Michigan" With a famous archer girl The latter had to say The arrows in themselves The broadhead hunter's style Were crafted out in such a way That Charley had to smile Grandpa Charley used to say "It ain't braggin if you can do it!"

This is MY FIRST Message to your list. My machine was apparently crossed with Steve Payne's. PLEASE remove my address from your list and if you have not done so already add: spayne@mail.gcsu.edu

Hi list, I signed myself granddaughter of Charlie Payne "Little John of Michigan" the other day, thought you might enjoy knowing why. Are there any other archers or musicians in the family? Please print, will be easier to read, I think Thanks Jeanette Little John Of Michigan At a meet of the Michigan Bowman In Newaygo, in forty-two, A neat demonstration was given Of what a real bowman can do. With the best of the State for competition, And they no slouches, I swan. Though others may quail and miss targets. There's nothing can phase Little John. The second place man had Three-eighty, And pride in what he had done; But the always invincible Charlie Had a cool Six Hundred and One! You know of William Tell and the apple; What a marvelous feat he had done; Well, Charlie has also shot an apple >From the head of his first born son. But , " just as well" doesn't suit Charlie, And he outshines William Tell; His second son stood by the first-born And he split this apple as well! A MAN NAMED JERRY CULVER author unkown A man named Jerry Culver, Will you shoot for me Charley "The archer of the day" A slow arrow you know? Wandered in on Charley Payne I can't hit moving bullets, One sunny time in May You pull a powerful bow! "I'm pleased to meet you, Charley" With a four-inch pull of the bowstring The former had to say The arrow went its way "I'm looking for a Little John," Almost straight for Culver "An archer of the way" Five yards off we'll say "He's just a boasting bragger" A gleaming streaking broadhead Who claims he won the cup split the sunlit air Championships and ribbons And cut poor Culver's arrow And all that sort of stuff As a razor cuts a hair I'm not a boasting fellow, Charley pulled a blunt head I've never won a cup, Three sparrows on the fence But I'm going to find this Were taking in the scenery "Little John" Void of human glance "And really show him up" I never heard of "Little John" As Culver watched the archer Championships or cups The arrow won the play But what you say we shoot around, Straight in line those sparrows A little routine stuff? About 12 yards away Culver strung his hunting bow Culver stood and scratched his head Beautifully outlined And Charley stood and laughed Made by a noted craftsman Those three birds would fly no more Famous in his time Strung upon his shaft The quiver for his arrows "Jesus Christ! What Shooting!" Edged in shining pearl Who are you anyway? Was pictured on the side "Little John of Michigan" With a famous archer girl The latter had to say The arrows in themselves The broadhead hunter's style Were crafted out in such a way That Charley had to smile Grandpa Charley used to say "It ain't braggin if you can do it!"

Hi list, I signed myself granddaughter of Charlie Payne "Little John of Michigan" the other day, thought you might enjoy knowing why. Are there any other archers or musicians in the family? Please print, will be easier to read, I think Thanks Jeanette Little John Of Michigan At a meet of the Michigan Bowman In Newaygo, in forty-two, A neat demonstration was given Of what a real bowman can do. With the best of the State for competition, And they no slouches, I swan. Though others may quail and miss targets. There's nothing can phase Little John. The second place man had Three-eighty, And pride in what he had done; But the always invincible Charlie Had a cool Six Hundred and One! You know of William Tell and the apple; What a marvelous feat he had done; Well, Charlie has also shot an apple >From the head of his first born son. But , " just as well" doesn't suit Charlie, And he outshines William Tell; His second son stood by the first-born And he split this apple as well! A MAN NAMED JERRY CULVER author unkown A man named Jerry Culver, Will you shoot for me Charley "The archer of the day" A slow arrow you know? Wandered in on Charley Payne I can't hit moving bullets, One sunny time in May You pull a powerful bow! "I'm pleased to meet you, Charley" With a four-inch pull of the bowstring The former had to say The arrow went its way "I'm looking for a Little John," Almost straight for Culver "An archer of the way" Five yards off we'll say "He's just a boasting bragger" A gleaming streaking broadhead Who claims he won the cup split the sunlit air Championships and ribbons And cut poor Culver's arrow And all that sort of stuff As a razor cuts a hair I'm not a boasting fellow, Charley pulled a blunt head I've never won a cup, Three sparrows on the fence But I'm going to find this Were taking in the scenery "Little John" Void of human glance "And really show him up" I never heard of "Little John" As Culver watched the archer Championships or cups The arrow won the play But what you say we shoot around, Straight in line those sparrows A little routine stuff? About 12 yards away Culver strung his hunting bow Culver stood and scratched his head Beautifully outlined And Charley stood and laughed Made by a noted craftsman Those three birds would fly no more Famous in his time Strung upon his shaft The quiver for his arrows "Jesus Christ! What Shooting!" Edged in shining pearl Who are you anyway? Was pictured on the side "Little John of Michigan" With a famous archer girl The latter had to say The arrows in themselves The broadhead hunter's style Were crafted out in such a way That Charley had to smile Grandpa Charley used to say "It ain't braggin if you can do it!"

Does anyone have an e-mail address for David Champion, formerly at champion@icok.net? I have new info for him but my letters come back. Perhaps has changed providers. David, if you are out there please contact me. Martha B. Steward, wdest2@rabun.net. Thanks. Martha.

Was the JOHN PAYNE, Revolutionary War veteran, who died in Spotsylvania Co., VA on 29 December 1836, the son of John and Mary Long Paine, and the grandson of John and Frances Coleman Paine? John Payne johnthepayne@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

>I took a walk in a fairly old cemetary in Wainscott, New York where I live >and found the following Payne- its the only one I noticed there and I would >guess she's probably related to the Payne's I've noticed from Sag Harbor, a >few miles away. > >Headstone reads: John S. Osborne 1818-1901 > His wife > Jane M. Payne 1818-1890 > David O. Osborne 1848-1924 > Elizabeth H. Osborne 1850-1916 > Jennie M. Osborne 1857-1943 > Florence P. Osborne 1861-1944 > >I would assume the last 4 are their children. It seems strange that none of >the girls were married. They all have individuals stones on the ground >around the main one, with no other mention of spouses or offspring. > >Hope this helps some one. If anyone interested in Sag Harbor Paynes- which >do not appear to be related to me in any way - I would be willing to walk >around some graveyards there - let me know if you have any interest in >finding a particular person from there. > >Regard, >Aimee > > >