SEARCH TIP FAMILY TREE RESEARCH CENTER: WAR OF 1812 - TIP FOR SEARCHING THE SITE http://www.sierra.com/sierrahome/familytree/records/w1812/list/1,2824,00.ht    WAR of 1812 SITE: I have discovered a trick. Since the site only displays the first 100 names and then one has to know the exact first name in searching, run the alphabet - as the initial only. If there are more than 100 within any letter of the alphabet - run the alphabet with the second or third letter wherever the list ends on the first name. This method should bring everyone up without knowing any first names.   Hope this is clear. It worked for me. Good Luck.     Nola Payne

Searching for any info on ALMIRA PAYNE. Born in the 1820's, Mason Co, (or nearby county), KY. Married Thomas Mason Darnall, 1845, Mason Co., KY. Thank you, Don ddarnell@gvi.net

I am stuck and so I thought I would do a roll call Husband: James Granvil Payne Born: 1826 at: Tenn Married: ABT. 1857 at: Texas Died: 5 Mar 1897 at: Bell County, Tx. Father: Payne Virginia Mother: ukn Tenn. Other Spouses: Possible in Tenn Wife: Carrie M unknown Born: Jan 1838 at: LOUSIANA Died: at: Father: Mississppi Mother: Lousiana Other Spouses: CHILDREN Name: Mary C. Payne Born: 1860 at: Texas Married: at: Died: at: Spouses: Name: Anna E. Payne Born: 1862 at: Texas Married: at: Died: at: Spouses: Name: Martha E Payne Born: ABT. 1865 at: Texas Married: at: Died: at: Spouses: Name: Francis Minerva Payne Born: Oct 22 1869 at: Belton City Bell Co. Texas Married: Jan 5 1885 at: Temple City Bell Co. Died: around 1904 or 1905 at: Mclennen County Waco TX Spouses: Nathan Thomas Hallmark he also married Mary from ARK. 1909 Children: of Francis and Nathan James David Hallmark Born: Nov 8 1885 at Houston Co. TX Married: at: Died: at: Spouse: at: Eula Belle Hallmark Born: Oct 4 1887 at: Bell Co Died: at: Married: at: Spouse: Maggie Elizabeth Born: March 20, 1889 at: Temple City, Bell Co. TX. Died at: Married: Nov 30 1911 at: Hunt Co. Greenville, TX Spouse: Sam Jones Stapleton John Orville Hallmark Born: Nov 9 1890 at: Anderson,Co. Palestine, TX Died: at: Married: July 12 1919 at: Hunt Co. Greenville, TX Spouse: Bertha Eula Graham Arthor Hallmark Born: May 1892 at: Died: at: Married: at: Spouse: Paul Hallmark Born: around 1903 at: Died: at: Married: at: Spouse: Purcy Zuland Hallmark Born: Nov 28 1895 at: Anderson Palestine, TX Died: at: Married: April 30 1921 at: Nolen Co. Sweetwater, TX Spouse: Virgi Alma Johnson Name: Zeranda Susanna Payne also known as Susie Born: 29 Jun 1875 at: Bell Co. Tx. Married: 7 Dec 1897 at: Died: 10 Jul 1913 at: Mesquite Tx. Spouses: Joseph Jefferson Smith Husband: Joseph Jefferson Smith known as Joe Born: 1876 at: MISS Married: 7 Dec 1897 at: Died: 7 Aug 1956 at: Los Angeles, Los Angeles Co. Ca. Father:Jefferson Smith Mother: Other Spouses: Wife: Zeranda Susanna Payne Known as Susie Born: 29 Jun 1875 at: Bell Co. Tx. Died: 10 Jul 1913 at: Mesquite Tx. Father:J. G. Payne Mother:Carrie M unknown last name possibly Martin Other Spouses: CHILDREN Name: Gaundin L Smith Born 1898 at: Houston TX Died: 1902 ? at houston TX Name: James Payne Smith Born: 1 Aug 1902 at: Texas Married: ABT. 1920 at: Died: 12 Jun 1982 at: Santa Ana, California Spouses: Viola Victoria Johnson Melvina Redford Name: Leonard Joseph Smith Born: 3 Jul 1904 at: Floyd, Hunt Co.TX Married: 2 Oct 1930 at: Waco,Mclennan Co.Tx. Died: 6 Mar 1991 at: Waco,Mclennan Co.Tx. Spouses: Lillie Donia Butler Name: Lola Alene Smith Born: 20 Dec 1907 at: Texas Married: at: Died: 21 Oct 1986 at: San Antonia Tx.Bexar Co. Spouses: Mitchell Farris Name: Susie Beryl Smith MY GRANDMOTHER Born: 7 Dec 1908 at: Married: at: Died: 1986 April at: Nev Spouses: Name: Jesse Granvil Smith Born: 11 Dec 1912 at: Married: at: Died: at: Spouses: Name: Melessa Jane Payne Born: 1858 at: Texas Married: 4 Jul 1881 at: Died: at: Spouses: John Hallmark Name: Jesse G. Payne Born: 1872 at: Texas Married: Jan 21 1893 at: Died: ABT. 1939 at: Waco,Mclennan Co. Tx. Spouses: Effie Redfield Name: Dora C. Payne Born: Jul 1879 at: Texas Married: at: Died: at: Spouses: Children:

I don't know if this fellow belongs to any of you. I just happened to notice this in the 12 June 1884 Lawrence Co (MO) Chieftain. "John W PAYNE, a well known lawyer and politician of this co before the war, and well known to our old citizens, arrived last Tuesday on a visit with W.A. McCanse. Mr Payne is now residing at Dallas, Texas andis one of the prominent Greenbackers of the state." Sarah

My relative went from TN to KY when all of his kin folks or traveling companions died of a fever. He was taken in by neighbors and perhaps given the name of Payne at that time. Does anybody have an unusual census record of a James suddenly appearing?

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Payne Info. "Does anyone out there know Thom. Paynes father? Thom. was born in KY c.1792, m. Lydia Lindsey 1821, moved to IN & died in 1856 in Dubois Co. IN" marcellamassey@juno.com.......Thanks much

I am looking for the family and parents of a Malissa Jane Payne born 1857 in Bell County, Texas. She married John Thomas William Jefferson Hallmark on July 4, 1881 as his second wife in Bell County. There children are: Nettie Florence, Jessie Stephen (my g-grandfather), Mittie Clifford, Carrie Audry Emaline, Calvin Morgan, Edna Lois, and John Riley Hallmark. If anyone has any information on her family please contact me. Sondra Bateman

Hi Julie, :"Flayle is part of my line" I saw your message on the Payne list and was glad to find someone who knows something about Flayle!!!! I don't have much info on the Paynes - I have Flayle, his son John, John's daughter Catherine who m. John Kennett. Flayle Payne was on the 1733 taxable list in Monacas, Prince George, MD. Wife unknown. I don't have any dates or wife for John. John's daughter Catherine m.John Kennett who was b. about 1735 and d. between 1815-1820, and I assume Catherine was somewhere near his age. >From there I go to the Kennett line. Do you connect with them? I also have a William Rush m. Ann Gray, their daughter Elizabeth b. ca 1650 m Joshua Hudson b. ca 1650, and their son Rush Hudson, b. abt 1805 - 1704 in Westmoreland Co.,VA, m. Sarah (surname unknown), their son Joshua Hudson (the second one) b. ca 1725 in Prince George Co., VA m. Mary Foster Terrell. Since your last name is Rush I wondered if you are related to this line of Rush. Any information that you could give me would be greatly appreciated and I will be glad to trade anything that I have. Thanks for replying to my query. Mary Ellen Scrivner CMEScriv@aol.com

In a message dated 9/26/99 12:58:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, CMEScriv@aol.com writes: << Hi -- Replying to your William Payne inquiry, I noticed the name Flavious Payne. I have Flayle Payne, father of John Payne whose daughteer Catharan Payne m. John Kennett who was born ca 1735. They were m. in VA. I found Flayle Payne on the 1733 taxable list for Manacas, Prince George, MD. Do you have Flayle Payne in your line anywhere? >> Flayle is part of my line. Julie [Payne] Rush Florida

--WebTV-Mail-25064-3561 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit HI - Charlotte -- Yes, we may be kin. Will keep your name and info on file. Nola Payne in WA --WebTV-Mail-25064-3561 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.97) by postoffice-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <hchar@gte.net> Received: from smtppop2.gte.net (smtppop2.gte.net [207.115.153.21]) by mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-d/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) with ESMTP id NAA11739 for <PAYNE9@webtv.net>; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hchar (1Cust208.tnt1.medina.oh.da.uu.net [208.254.37.208]) by smtppop2.gte.net with SMTP for <PAYNE9@webtv.net>; id PAA5292128 Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:05:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001201bf085a$f21674a0$d025fed0@hchar> From: "hchar" <hchar@gte.net> To: "PAYNE FAMILY" <PAYNE9@webtv.net> References: <20903-37ED40CE-7725@postoffice-153.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: WILLIAM M. PAYNE M. 1830 JUDY A. BELCHER TAZEWELL,VA Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 16:08:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Nola, We may be Kin, Mary Ann Payne married Robert Shortridge about 1820 in Tazewell Co. Va. This was his second mariage. I have been trying to find her parents or siblings. Charlotte hchar@gte.net ----- Original Message ----- From: PAYNE FAMILY <PAYNE9@webtv.net> To: <PAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 1999 5:38 PM Subject: WILLIAM M. PAYNE M. 1830 JUDY A. BELCHER TAZEWELL,VA Hello - Anyone out there researching Paynes? Does anyone have any info on William M. Payne who married Judy A. Belcher, Tazewell C0, VA 28 Oct. 1830? Reason to believe they were in McDowell Co area, WVA. Do have Judy's ancestry thanks to "Jeannie Clark (Watts) ancestry on FTM user site. Do not have any idea of William's parentage, location, birthdate, deathdate, cemetery, etc. My husband Sheridan L. Payne b. Wenatchee, WA 1933 is descended through their son Flavious Josephus Payne 1835 VA via son Lewis Martin Payne (MO), his son Roy Kenneth Payne 1904 MO. We have four boys and one grandson so far to carry on the lineage. Our descendants are the only male descendants from Flavious Josephus Payne-Harriet Dean to carry on his name. Thanks a bunch. Nola Payne in WA Downline information would also be appreciated on these surnames as well as upline on PAYNE, BLECHER, DEAN. NLP --WebTV-Mail-25064-3561--

Hi -- Replying to your William Payne inquiry, I noticed the name Flavious Payne. I have Flayle Payne, father of John Payne whose daughteer Catharan Payne m. John Kennett who was born ca 1735. They were m. in VA. I found Flayle Payne on the 1733 taxable list for Manacas, Prince George, MD. Do you have Flayle Payne in your line anywhere? Mary Ellen Scrivner CMES@aol.com

   Hello - Anyone out there researching Paynes? Does anyone have any info on William M. Payne who married Judy A. Belcher, Tazewell C0, VA 28 Oct. 1830? Reason to believe they were in McDowell Co area, WVA. Do have Judy's ancestry thanks to "Jeannie Clark (Watts) ancestry on FTM user site. Do not have any idea of William's parentage, location, birthdate, deathdate, cemetery, etc. My husband Sheridan L. Payne b. Wenatchee, WA 1933 is descended through their son Flavious Josephus Payne 1835 VA via son Lewis Martin Payne (MO), his son Roy Kenneth Payne 1904 MO. We have four boys and one grandson so far to carry on the lineage. Our descendants are the only male descendants from Flavious Josephus Payne-Harriet Dean to carry on his name. Thanks a bunch.     Nola Payne in WA Downline information would also be appreciated on these surnames as well as upline on PAYNE, BLECHER, DEAN. NLP

Looking for info on these folks: 1-A.E. Payne, m. A.H. Morton on oct 17, 1844 in South Carolina. 2-Susan Payne (b.Mar 1823 in AL, d. 1879 in AL) m. John Patterson (b. 1816 in GA, d. 1890) in Feb 1861 in GA *my great, great, great grandparents Any ideas? Stacey Brown

I have found some more info that I would like to share. This is the third time I have posted to the list. Hopefully someone will finally see some connections: 1. Unk Payne, b cir 1740, VA? 2. Adam Payne b < 1763 3. Adam Payne b < 1791 3. Aaron Payne b 12/30/1789, Quemahong Twp, Somerset Co., PA; d 5/19/1883, Yamhill Co., OR 2. John Payne b cir 1765 3. Adam Payne, b PA?; d Walkers Grove, IL? 3. Christopher Payne b 1786, Somerset Co., PA; d 2/18/1871 Scott, WI 4. Uriah Payne b1815 IL; d 1895, Benton Co., OR; married Matilda Farnsworth 1841, Winnebago Co., IL 4. George Payne, settled Scott, WI 4. Abigail Payne, married GW Trimble; settled Linn, WI Can anyone help? CiCi Morse

Someone was inquiring about Merryman Payne or a Payne who married a Merryman. It's been so long ago, it has left my memory. In any event, I found this in some loose notes: Aug 1734, Merryman Payne m. Catherine Brent, Lancaster Co., Va. 13 Oct 1729, George Payne m. Frances Edmonds, Lancaster 16 July 1766 William Payne m. Lucy George In Fauquier Co., Va.: 2 Oct 1790 Colston Payne m. Charity Smoot 4 Feb 1790, Mary Payne m. Claiborne Smoot 14 Jan 1789 Augustine Payne m. Caty Young DJ

(Just a random thought) I don't know about the rest of you, but my maternal ancestry line is difficult to research. Mostly I get a bunch of first names only. The only reason I bring this up is that the only ancestry we are truely sure of is the maternal line. Which is not even true in the case that our ancestor is adopted, but an adoption is not shown in any records, but I'll leave that aside for a minute. Does anyone make any accounting for the fact that _many_ women have affairs and children born in wedlock might have a different father than appears on the birth certificate? I know this is probably a touchy subject and it is probably impossible to know whether this is the case or not, but any thoughts? I am curious because I know someone who claims to be descendant from some guy in the 1300's. Assuming that her research is correct and that her line follows the men all the way back to this guy and assuming that 1% of birth certificate fathers are truly not the biological fathers, it is easy to come up with the probability that she is really a descendant of this person. Does anyone know any random facts about this subject? I would love to hear about it. BTW, I read that in Ancient Egypt, they followed the mother's line for that reason. Thanks in advance. Megan Payne >I *can* imagine how difficult it is to trace your African-American >roots because I have a cousin whose ancestors were first begat, then >owned by mine. We correspond. A lot of the old Southern guys in the >white suits and string ties trifled with the serving wenches, so to >speak; everything from out and out rape through winking about "Ol' >Massa is at it again" when the Missus was feeling poorly to living in >what was called sin in those days. They were not particularly proud of >it and very often didn't claim the children as their own, even when >they looked like them. So, you get a lot of proven maternal links and >fathers "Unknown".

Subscribe I am looking for information on Jonathon Payne. He was a Baptist minister in Edwards N.Y. In 1820 he moved to St. Lawerence CO. N.Y. He might have had a brother, Nehimah and a sister, Rachel. I am looking for the parents of Stephen Payne born July 11,1811 in N.Y. Stephen married Sarah Bristol also born N.Y. Any help would be great. I am really stuck. Barbara Hinz, Central Point, Oregon bhinz@internetcds.com

Megan & List, An issue of "Natural History" within the last 5 or 6 years had an article on the "discovery" by English birdwatchers that, when they actually started watching for female bird hanky-panky (taking off & leaving the eggs unprotected), they actually caught them at it! Just shocked the Brits. Apparently it was the evolutionary behavior pattern of "not keeping all your eggs in one basket." There's also been a "reported in the regular papers" of a British Health Services study from one midland town that demonstrated that in married & intact multi-children households significantly over 1% of the children were not the offspring of the father. Just shocked the Brits. So, while you may be able to actually prove "relationships" since 1300 AD (& if you're the Augustan Society to 1300 BC as well), that certainly doesn't mean the biological interconnection is always true. It just means the relationship is, and that's the human point of it. Just remember the T. Jefferson/Sally Heminges story from last summer! Also check out the fun but serious history by Roger Thomson, Sex in Middlesex: Popular Mores in a Massachusetts County, 1632-1690. Guaranted to raise a smile! Bob G. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

hi. my dad (James L. Payne, from KY, now in TX) tells me that his grandfather was named William Payne and that William Payne came to KY from Whitewright, Tx. i suspect that William Payne left TX for KY because he was from KY. i am just getting started in this so i do not know much more. Looking at the map Palmer appears to be about 30 miles south of Dallas and Whitewright appears to be about 50 miles or so north of Dallas in Sherman County. perhaps there is a connection. i will forward the email to my dad and his cousin and see what they think. patti payne lockhart, texas