And don't forget Flayle Payne of Maryland. While that first name may well be a morph of a totally different name, I still get that mental picture of the medieval weapon. -- Larry D. Hamilton Coats P.O. Box 823 Aspermont, TX 79502

I was going to name my first son Severe but all I got was girls. Thanks, David S. Payne View my Gedcom at: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=otime See other related photos, etc. http://www.myfamily.com/front_members.asp (Username: user_n Password: user90) Searching for surnames mostly in Upstate SC/GA: ADDISON, ALLISON, CANADY, COLEMAN, CORBIN, COX, CRAIG, DEAN, FOWLER, GILLILAN, HALEY, GORDON, GRAY, HENSON, JAMES, McMILLIAN, McPHERSON, NEWTON, PARKER, PASSMORE, PATTERSON, PAYNE, POINDEXTER, REDWINE, REID, ROY, SHIRES, SWANN, WEST, WHITMIRE, WOODALL ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

I am looking for any info regarding Henry PAYNE born about 1760 married Rachel Thompson 12-17-1795 in Orange county NC, Henry died 5-28-1837. They had 8 known children: Mary Elizabeth about 1796 James about 1797 Joseph 1798 John between 1795-1800 Elizabeth about 1809 Jenny between 1800-1810 Andrew 1813 Abigail 1820 Through records of the childrens birth he appears to have remained in NC till about 1809.At that time all the rest of the children were born in TN. His wife Rachel Thompson was born in 1776 and died 5-5-1859. She was the daughter of James Thompson and Rachel Baldwin. Any help would be very very appreciated. Debra Carter tara37@comsys.net

At 05:17 PM 03/29/2000 -0800, Wilma wrote: >> Dear Researchers, >> Can anyone identify with the following line? And if so, can anyone >> confirm any part of it? > >I come thru Elizabeth 1) PAINE who md William 1) HAMMOND.. >please follow what I say within the below message... please correct >if I am wrong...... > >> >> Descendants of William Payne > > >I have the spelling as PAINE....... wonder which one it is? PAINE >or PAYNE? Aren't they interchangable? I hope I can add something to this post as I have spent so much time lately on this family. Some of my recent posts have contained a lot of information on them, including the CHAUCER manuscript, the connection to STAFFORD, KYTSON and BOURCHIER, as well as a new find showing a much earlier connection to the WASHINGTON family than the one we are aware of in Virginia. I have recently completed adding the full WASHINGTON line to my family file as it appears in "The WASHINGTON Connection- A Royal Pedigree" by J.E. Cobb, Jr., the Mount Vernon Dames Association, and W. Blount Stewart. It is now on-line as well. This should be of interest to descendants of this family that settled in NEW ENGLAND as well as descendants of the PAYNES of VIRGINIA. From these recent posts on the family's pedigree, I have noticed some names that I did not have which I would like to know more about if the author's of those posts have source information they could share. I've created a Genealogy Report on what I have on the family which can now be viewed at http://www.payn.org/leicester-paynes.shtml Enjoy, Patrick http://papayne.rootsweb.com

My Granfather Ednond Lee Payne had 2 cousins who were brothers; they were Major & Addi. Lew Eby.

In a message dated 3/29/00 10:40:03 PM Central Standard Time, skunk@coastalnet.com writes: << WHAT ! No Ima Paine in the whole bunch??? >> Did they also miss Ura Paine? Jno

At 11:25 PM 03/29/2000 -0500, diane k wrote: >WHAT ! No Ima Paine in the whole bunch??? I still like my wife's suggestion that if we should have a son, we'll name him Achen and send him off to medical school so he'll be known as: Dr. Achen Payne :-} While in the navy, I had my wisdom teeth removed by a Dr. Pain and his nurse, Chisel. Patrick

Thanks Matt, HaHaHa. What a (Pleasant) Payne/Pain your list is. My current Payne/Pain is Jane Varney married William Payne. Does anyone know who Jane's parents were? Jane was from Mingo co. Jane and William lived in McDowell Co, WV Thanks, Carol Cantrell Researching: William Payne b. BIRTH: 1846, VA Father: Simeon PAYNE Mother: Mary Ann BARNES Family 1 : Jane VARNEY MARRIAGE: BEF 1868

WHAT ! No Ima Paine in the whole bunch??? diane ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt & Deb <gungazo@execpc.com> To: <PAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 29 March, 2000 8:43 PM Subject: Amazing Paines > I've debated sending this for awhile, but I know that many of you "cousins" of > mine have a warped sense of humor like I do. So, if you find that you are > relatively unwarped, read no further and press the delete key. > > > Still with me? OK. In the brief time that I've been researching my Paine > ancestry, I started to find names that gave me a chuckle. Some of them are my own > ancestors, and others are names I came across while researching. I'll write in > the last name a couple of times, and then you get the picture, add the name Paine > after each name... > > Pleasant Paine (Mr.) > Pleasance > Warden Paine > Flayle > Day > Electa > Amaziah > Job > Thankful > Patience > Beaver > Temperance > Miner > Relief (Mrs.) > Wealtha > Welcome > Pardon > Loa > Guy > Day > > And then there was Milo, who married Joy... > > And Mary Glass, who married a Paine, and became... > > (Mary Glass Paine, of course.) > > And props to the owner of the website, Those Prolific Pains. > > Regards, > Deb Gunther > > >

I've debated sending this for awhile, but I know that many of you "cousins" of mine have a warped sense of humor like I do. So, if you find that you are relatively unwarped, read no further and press the delete key. Still with me? OK. In the brief time that I've been researching my Paine ancestry, I started to find names that gave me a chuckle. Some of them are my own ancestors, and others are names I came across while researching. I'll write in the last name a couple of times, and then you get the picture, add the name Paine after each name... Pleasant Paine (Mr.) Pleasance Warden Paine Flayle Day Electa Amaziah Job Thankful Patience Beaver Temperance Miner Relief (Mrs.) Wealtha Welcome Pardon Loa Guy Day And then there was Milo, who married Joy... And Mary Glass, who married a Paine, and became... (Mary Glass Paine, of course.) And props to the owner of the website, Those Prolific Pains. Regards, Deb Gunther

> Dear Researchers, > Can anyone identify with the following line? And if so, can anyone > confirm any part of it? I come thru Elizabeth 1) PAINE who md William 1) HAMMOND.. please follow what I say within the below message... please correct if I am wrong...... > > Descendants of William Payne I have the spelling as PAINE....... wonder which one it is? PAINE or PAYNE? Aren't they interchangable? I go back to: Sir Thomas -5) PAINE b abt 1414 Bosworth, Leicestershire, England md margaret -1) PULTNEY b c1418 at ? d/o Thomas -2) PULTNEY and an unknown wife........ ~~~~ Edmund -4) PAINE b c 1550 Bosworth, Leicestershire, England md Elizabeth -1) WALTON born c 1444 ............ England, d/o Robert -2) WALTON and his unknown wife... ~~~ > > 1 William Payne b: 1500 in Bosworth, Eng. d: in Bosworth, Eng. William -3) PAINE b 1507 Bosworth, Leicestershire, England, d 1587 Bosworth, Leicestershire, England ~~~ > ... +Margery Ash b: 1530 in Bosworth, Eng. I have Margery & William born abt 1615, and marrying 1630-1632 Bosworth Leicestershire, England. ~~~ > .. 2 Anthony Payne b: 1536 in England d: Mar 3, 1605/06 in Bosworth,> Eng. I have Anthony -2) being born 1535 Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England dying 3 Mar 1606 Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England ~~~ > ....... +Martha Castle b: 1544 in Hengrove, Eng. d: Jun 28, 1603 in > England I have Martha born 1544 Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England ~~~ > ...... 3 William Payne b: Dec 2, 1565 in Lavenham, Eng. d: Nov 21, > 1648 in Lavenham, Eng. I have William -1) b 2 Dec 1565 in Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England dying 21 Nov 1648 in Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England ~~~ > ............ +Agnes Neves b: 1563 in Lavenham, Eng. d: Oct 8, 1645 in > Lavenham, Eng. I have Lavenham is in county Suffolk, England ~~~ > .......... 4 William Payne b: Feb 20, 1595/96 in Lavenham, Eng. d: > Oct 10, 1660 This is where I leave this line of descendants, I come thru William's 1) sister Elizabeth 1) PAINE who md William 1) HAMMOND they were my 9th gr gp... ~~~ > ................ +Anna North b: 1595 I am happy to learn of her surname... didn't have it, and I had her given name as Hannah or Anna ~~~ > .............. 5 William Payne b: 1625 in New Haven, CT d: Jan 11, > 1683/84 in New Haven, CT I have this William 2) being born in Lavenham, Suffolk, England... his parents didn't come to New England until 1635.. I don't have any of the below following.......... Wilma Fleming Haynes gencon@harborside.com ************************************************ > .................... +Mary b: 1623 in New Haven, CT d: Dec 7, 1693 in > New Haven, CT > .................. 6 John Payne b: 1649 d: Jun 4, 1729 in Litchfield, > CT > ........................ +Mary Little b: Jul 28, 1669 in New Haven, CT > m: in CT > ...................... 7 William Payne b: Nov 5, 1695 in Litchfield, > CT d: 1784 in New Haven, CT > ............................ +Esther Carnes b: 1699 m: Sep 21, 1720 in > CT > .......................... 8 William Payne b: Sep 10, 1728 in New > Haven, CT d: Abt. 1805 in New Hartford, CT > ................................ +Elizabeth Bibbins > .............................. 9 Isaac Payne > .............................. 9 Jessie Payne > .............................. 9 William Payne Jr. > .............................. 9 Eber Payne > .............................. 9 Phoebe Payne > .............................. 9 Elizabeth Payne > .................................... +Thomas Paine > .............................. 9 Abraham Payne b: May 28, 1758 in New > Hartford, CT d: Oct 30, 1827 in Salem Twp, Washington Co., OH > .................................... +Hannah Lewis b: Jan 13, 1759 m: > Dec 9, 1779 d: Jan 10, 1849 > .............................. 9 Ezra Payne b: Sep 17, 1765 in > Simsbury, Hartford Co., CT d: Apr 3, 1853 in Westfield Twp, Morrow Co., > OH > .................................... +Amy Matson b: Nov 26, 1769 in > Simsbury, Hartford Co., CT m: Oct 1785 d: Apr 27, 1844 in Westfield Twp, > Morrow Co., OH > .................................. 10 Amy Payne b: Mar 6, 1789 > ........................................ +Philo Holcomb > .................................. 10 Ezra Payne Jr. b: Nov 1, 1791 > ........................................ +Mary Phelps > .................................. 10 Austin Payne b: Feb 16, 1792 d: > Nov 18, 1885 in Date may be Nov 18, 1865. Glendale Cemetery. > ........................................ +Lucinda Lyons b: Nov 12, 1803 > m: Jan 2, 1820 d: Mar 22, 1890 > .................................. 10 Anson Payne b: Jun 9, 1794 > ........................................ +Jane Blake > .................................. 10 Betsey Payne b: Sep 18, 1797 d: > Jun 7, 1808 > .................................. 10 Orra Payne b: Jul 6, 1798 in New > Hartford, Litchfield Co., CT d: Oct 20, 1880 in Westfield Twp, Morrow > Co., OH - Buried in Peak Cemetery. > ........................................ +Jacob Conklin b: Jun 10, 1787 > in St. Alburgs, Grand Isles Co., VT m: Sep 17, 1818 in Liberty Twp., > Delaware Co., OH d: Mar 12, 1875 in Westfield Twp, Morrow Co., OH - > Buried in Peak Cemetery, Morrow Co., OH > .................................. 10 Alvah Payne b: Apr 30, 1800 > ........................................ +Thompson > .................................. 10 Phebe Ann Payne b: Apr 4, 1802 > in CT d: Apr 4, 1889 in Mt. Pleasant, Izard Co., AR (St. Paul Cemetery) > > ........................................ +Grove Meeker b: Jan 17, 1797 > in CT d: Apr 19, 1880 in Mt. Pleasant, Izard Co., AR (St. Paul > Cemetery) > .................................. 10 Hiram Payne b: Feb 27, 1804 > ........................................ +Mary York > .................................. 10 Edmond Payne b: Jun 2, 1806 d: > Sep 11, 1835 > ........................................ +Julia Dingle > .................................. 10 Elvira Payne b: Apr 2, 1808 > ........................................ +Lee Nutt > .................................. 10 Miles Payne b: Jun 1, 1810 d: > Jan 1, 1863 > ........................................ +Silvia Wilcox > .................................. 10 William Payne b: Jun 6, 1813 > > Sincerely, > Bob Armstong > in Houston, TX > >

Dear Researchers, Can anyone identify with the following line? And if so, can anyone confirm any part of it? Descendants of William Payne 1 William Payne b: 1500 in Bosworth, Eng. d: in Bosworth, Eng. ... +Margery Ash b: 1530 in Bosworth, Eng. .. 2 Anthony Payne b: 1536 in England d: Mar 3, 1605/06 in Bosworth, Eng. ....... +Martha Castle b: 1544 in Hengrove, Eng. d: Jun 28, 1603 in England ...... 3 William Payne b: Dec 2, 1565 in Lavenham, Eng. d: Nov 21, 1648 in Lavenham, Eng. ............ +Agnes Neves b: 1563 in Lavenham, Eng. d: Oct 8, 1645 in Lavenham, Eng. .......... 4 William Payne b: Feb 20, 1595/96 in Lavenham, Eng. d: Oct 10, 1660 ................ +Anna North b: 1595 .............. 5 William Payne b: 1625 in New Haven, CT d: Jan 11, 1683/84 in New Haven, CT .................... +Mary b: 1623 in New Haven, CT d: Dec 7, 1693 in New Haven, CT .................. 6 John Payne b: 1649 d: Jun 4, 1729 in Litchfield, CT ........................ +Mary Little b: Jul 28, 1669 in New Haven, CT m: in CT ...................... 7 William Payne b: Nov 5, 1695 in Litchfield, CT d: 1784 in New Haven, CT ............................ +Esther Carnes b: 1699 m: Sep 21, 1720 in CT .......................... 8 William Payne b: Sep 10, 1728 in New Haven, CT d: Abt. 1805 in New Hartford, CT ................................ +Elizabeth Bibbins .............................. 9 Isaac Payne .............................. 9 Jessie Payne .............................. 9 William Payne Jr. .............................. 9 Eber Payne .............................. 9 Phoebe Payne .............................. 9 Elizabeth Payne .................................... +Thomas Paine .............................. 9 Abraham Payne b: May 28, 1758 in New Hartford, CT d: Oct 30, 1827 in Salem Twp, Washington Co., OH .................................... +Hannah Lewis b: Jan 13, 1759 m: Dec 9, 1779 d: Jan 10, 1849 .............................. 9 Ezra Payne b: Sep 17, 1765 in Simsbury, Hartford Co., CT d: Apr 3, 1853 in Westfield Twp, Morrow Co., OH .................................... +Amy Matson b: Nov 26, 1769 in Simsbury, Hartford Co., CT m: Oct 1785 d: Apr 27, 1844 in Westfield Twp, Morrow Co., OH .................................. 10 Amy Payne b: Mar 6, 1789 ........................................ +Philo Holcomb .................................. 10 Ezra Payne Jr. b: Nov 1, 1791 ........................................ +Mary Phelps .................................. 10 Austin Payne b: Feb 16, 1792 d: Nov 18, 1885 in Date may be Nov 18, 1865. Glendale Cemetery. ........................................ +Lucinda Lyons b: Nov 12, 1803 m: Jan 2, 1820 d: Mar 22, 1890 .................................. 10 Anson Payne b: Jun 9, 1794 ........................................ +Jane Blake .................................. 10 Betsey Payne b: Sep 18, 1797 d: Jun 7, 1808 .................................. 10 Orra Payne b: Jul 6, 1798 in New Hartford, Litchfield Co., CT d: Oct 20, 1880 in Westfield Twp, Morrow Co., OH - Buried in Peak Cemetery. ........................................ +Jacob Conklin b: Jun 10, 1787 in St. Alburgs, Grand Isles Co., VT m: Sep 17, 1818 in Liberty Twp., Delaware Co., OH d: Mar 12, 1875 in Westfield Twp, Morrow Co., OH - Buried in Peak Cemetery, Morrow Co., OH .................................. 10 Alvah Payne b: Apr 30, 1800 ........................................ +Thompson .................................. 10 Phebe Ann Payne b: Apr 4, 1802 in CT d: Apr 4, 1889 in Mt. Pleasant, Izard Co., AR (St. Paul Cemetery) ........................................ +Grove Meeker b: Jan 17, 1797 in CT d: Apr 19, 1880 in Mt. Pleasant, Izard Co., AR (St. Paul Cemetery) .................................. 10 Hiram Payne b: Feb 27, 1804 ........................................ +Mary York .................................. 10 Edmond Payne b: Jun 2, 1806 d: Sep 11, 1835 ........................................ +Julia Dingle .................................. 10 Elvira Payne b: Apr 2, 1808 ........................................ +Lee Nutt .................................. 10 Miles Payne b: Jun 1, 1810 d: Jan 1, 1863 ........................................ +Silvia Wilcox .................................. 10 William Payne b: Jun 6, 1813 Sincerely, Bob Armstong in Houston, TX

Hello Listers, As I stated in one of my previous posts, I have revived an old effort to determine if Rev. Robert PAYNE of Ipswich, son of Robert PAYNE and Ann WHITING, was the author of a letter to Judge Jonathan CORWIN against the Salem proceedings in 1692. I have managed to locate the signature's of Robert PIKE and of Judge CORWIN, but I have not been able to find one for Robert. I am hoping that someone on the list who has researched Robert's family might have a document which contains his signature? If so, would you please contact me if you would be willing to help out? The Peabody-Essex Institute has been helpful in assisting me with this project. One of the staff librarians has been most helpful and she has compared the signature of Robert PIKE with the letter in question. It is her belief that the handwriting WAS NOT by the same hand and she is sending her findings on to me, along with the signatures. This leaves only one further piece- the signature of Robert PAYNE. However, she has added a twist to the story as well. In Upham's "History of Witchcraft" he failed to note in detail that also on the letter bearing the initials "R.P.," there is also a line which reads, "A letter to my grandfather, on account of the condemnation of the witches." This may imply that the letter was written by a grandson of Judge CORWIN whose initials were "R.P." The trouble here is that I am unaware that Jonathan CORWIN and Elizabeth SHEAFE had any children at all and I have been unsuccessful, so far, in locating any indication that they did. Even the Internet is oddly silent on the subject... I'll be going to the Library today to see what I can find on that, but I still need to come by the signature of Robert if someone can assist in that area. Also, something that may be of interest to some of you, is that I have located full transcripts of the proceedings which include Robert's activities. Mostly, he seems to have taken many of the depositions from the accused and then sent his recommendations to the court. His signature appears on well over 30 of these documents and in each case, he supports the innocence of the accused. If nothing else, I'll try to contact the transcriber of those documents to obtain his signature... I will try to get these transcriptions on-line soon or provide a link to the site where they were found so that those interested can read them. Off to fight the Georgia pollen! Patrick http://papayne.rootsweb.com

Sorry to post this to the list but the following persons have invalid e-mail addresses at the Paine Database at http://members.tripod.com/~Silvie/PaineDatabase.html ... not much point to having your family posted there if other researchers can't contact you. Salish@worldnet.att.net ........... Karen Hiltbruner .... 009 simonp@ccmail.idp.edu.au ...... Simon Payne .......... 011 Kyrajo2526@aol.com ............ Kyra Jo Hatke ....... 018 pryan@wallace.hotkey.net.au .. Paul Ryan .............. 025 knbnash@ix.netcom.com ......... Kimberly Nash ...... 026 JANETD2@prodigy.net........... Janet Derbyshire .... 031 gep@intermetrics.com ............. Gene Paine ............ 032 momnpop@gulftel.com ............ Chuck McMullen ... 033 papayne@mindspring.net ......... Patrick A. Payne .... 039 JAshby6242@aol.com ............ Jane Ashby ............. 041 If any of you are still subscribed to this list or if anyone has contact with these persons, please ask them to send me an update on their e-mail addresses... Thank you, Sylvie

I am a new subscriber to the list. I picked up one of the messages on PLM that Patrick Payne wrote on the English history of the Paine/Paynes. As my husband is descended from ELIZABETH PAINE HAMMOND of Suffolk, England, I picked up the rest of the posts on a search of the Payne list. They made for very interesting reading, and I am looking forward to more. My husband also has a mystery PAINE in his ancestry. She was PRISCILLA PAINE who was born c1725 and married Joshua BEAL 1-5-1744 in Hingham, Plymouth, MA. She died in Hingham 4-22-1807. Joshua was born 9-22-1722 in Hingham and died 2-9-1804 in Hingham. The IGI and MA marriage CD has one of their marriages in Cohasset, Norfolk, MA. on 1-5-1744. That could be a clue to her ancestry. As I look, the children seem to have gotten married in both Hingham and Cohasset, MA Does anyone have any clues to solve this mystery of Priscilla PAINE's ancestry or know of any MA PAINE/PAYNEs in Cohasset, MA in the early 1700s. Any help would be appreciated. Descendants of Priscilla PAINE 1 Priscilla PAINE b: Abt. 1725 in ? d: April 22, 1807 in Hingham, Plymouth, MA .. +Joshua BEAL b: September 22, 1722 in Hingham, Plymouth, MA d: February 09, 1804 in Hingham, Plymouth, MA .. 2 Hannah Beal b: November 30, 1744 in Hingham, Mass d: Unknown ...... +Harry Lambert b: Abt. 1740 d: Unknown .. 2 Priscilla BEALS src1: History of the Early Settlement of Bridgewater in Plymouth Co., MA, src2: Mayflower Descendent Legacy CD-ROM b: November 21, 1746 in Hingham, Mass d: Unknown ...... +Knight BROWN src1: The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 54, src2: History of the Early Settlement of Bridgewater in Plymouth Co., MA b: November 04, 1750 in Scituate, Mass. d: April 04, 1832 in East Bridgewater, Mass .. 2 Joshua Beal b: August 19, 1748 in Hingham, Mass d: December 01, 1748 .. 2 Welcome Beal b: Abt. 1749 in Hingham, Mass d: Unknown ...... +Susanna Brown b: October 09, 1757 in Scituate d: Unknown .. 2 Andrew Beal b: July 03, 1750 in Hingham, Mass d: Unknown ...... +Priscilla Studley b: Abt. 1755 d: Unknown .. 2 Elijah Beal b: Abt. 1752 in Hingham, Mass d: Abt. 1784 in at Sea ...... +Milcah Stodder b: Unknown d: Unknown .. 2 Betsey Beal b: June 29, 1755 in Hingham, Mass d: Unknown ...... +William Pincin b: Unknown d: Unknown .. 2 Delight Beal b: May 14, 1758 in Hingham, Mass d: Unknown ...... +Elisha Litchfield b: Unknown d: Unknown .. 2 Rebecca Beal b: October 26, 1760 in Hingham, Mass d: Unknown ...... +Noah Stodder b: Unknown d: Unknown .. 2 Daniel Beal b: January 15, 1762 in Hingham, Mass d: Unknown ...... +Celia Beal b: Unknown d: Unknown .. 2 Elisha Beal b: May 11, 1766 in Hingham, Mass d: Unknown .. 2 Catherine Beal b: Abt. 1768 in Hingham, Plymouth, MA d: Unknown ...... +Joshua Morse b: 1765 d: Unknown .. 2 Joshua Beal b: Abt. 1769 in Hingham, Plymouth, MA d: Unknown Thanks, Susan -- Susan C. Johanson Springfield, VA djohanson@mindspring.com Rootsweb sponsor-NEHGS member http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johanson http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/j/o/h/Susan-C-Johanson/ ...Searching for footprints in the sands of time...

This is my first time on the list and hoping someone can help me. My great grandmother was Camilla Mcnee PAYNE born 13/9/1871, Tradestone, Glasgow. She was the daughter of Leicester PAYNE born 6/12/1842 Gorbals, Lanark X 23/12/1869 Tradestone, Glasgow - married to his 1st cousin Elizabeth Maxwell Irvine Payne. Leicester was the son of James Henry PAYNE born 7/2/1802 Norwich England son of James PAYNE and Ann Maria Saddler. James Henry PAYNE died 9 June 1841 Gorbals, Lanark. He was married to Jean Burness LAMOND born 23/Jul/1813 and died 2 Dec 1873. Elizabeth Maxwell Irvine Payne was the daughter of John Hurrell William PAYNE X 27/1/1841 to Elizabeth LAMOND born 25/5/1817. Jean and Elizabeth LAMOND were sisters. John and James PAYNE were brothers. During the 1881 census Camilla was living with her grandmother Elizabeth at 34 Abbotsford Place, Lanark. Is this building still standing? What is the possiblity of a foto? (at my cost ofcourse). Fotos or description of any of the graves mentioned??? It seems as if James PAYNE X Ann Saddler on 9/2/1801 at the Saint Stephen Church Norwich, Norfolk - any possibilty of fotos of church? John H W PAYNE bap 14/1/1816 Saint Clement, Norwich, Norfolk - any possiblity of foto of the church? I look forward to any info! Kindest regards from South Africa Mark Barker mabarker@mweb.co.za

"Then the Clerk of the Crown demanded of Henry Earl of SOUTHAMPTON what he could say for himself why judgement of death should not be pronounced against him." SOUTHAMPTON- "My Lords, I must say for my part as I have said before, that since the ignorance of the law hath made me incur the danger of the law, I humble submit myself to Her Majesty's mercy. And therefore my Lord Steward, and my Lord Admiral, I beseech you both that, seeing you are witnesses I am condemned by the letter of the law, it would please you to let the Queen know that I crave her mercy. I know I have offended her, yet if it please her to be merciful unto me, I may live and by my service deserve my life." "I have been brought up under her Majesty. I have spent the better part of my patrimony in her Majesty's service with danger of my life, as your lordships know. If there were any that could challenge me, that I have ever heretofore committed or intended treason, or any other thing prejudicial to her Majesty or the State, God let me never inherit his kingdom. Neither would I desire mercy. Since the law has cast me down, I do submit myself to death. And yet I will not despair of her Majesty's mercy, for that I know she is merciful, and if she please to extend it, I shall with all humility receive it." LORD STEWARD- "My Lord of ESSEX, the Queen's Majesty hath bestowed many favors on your predecessors and yourself. I would wish therefore that you would likewise submit yourself to her Majesty's mercy, acknowledging your offenses, and reconciling yourself inwardly to her Majesty by laying open all matters that were intended to prejudice her Majesty, and the actors thereof. And thereby no doubt you will find her Majesty merciful." ESSEX- "My Lord, you have made an honourable mention. Do but send to me at the time of my death and you shall see how pentitent and humble I will be towards her Majesty, both in acknowledging her exceeding favours to my ancestors and to myself; whereby I doubt not but the pentitent suffering of my death and sprinkling of my blood, which will quench the evil-conceited thoughts of her Majesty against me. And I do most humbly desire her Majesty that my death may put a period to my offences committed, and be no more remembered by her Highness." "If I had ever perceived any of my followers to have harboured an evil thought against her Majesty, I would have been the first that should have punished the same in being his executioner. And therefore I beseech you, my good lord, mistake me not nor think me so proud that I will not crave her Majesty's mercy, for I protest (kneeling upon the every knee of my heart) I do crave her Majesty's mercy with all humility. Yet I had rather die than live in misery." "Then the Lord High Steward, after a few exhortations unto the Earls to prepare themselves for God, told them [that] seeing the law had found them guilty, it followed of course that he must proceed to judgement. The Earl of ESSEX replied very cheerfully, and said Yea my lord, with a very good will. I pray you go on." "Then the Lord High Steward gave the judgement as followeth:" "You must go to the place from whence you came and there remain during her Majesty's pleasure, from thence to be drawn on a hurdle through London streets, and so to the place of execution, where you shall be hanged, bowelled, and quartered. Your head and quarters to be disposed of at her Majesty's pleasure, and so God have mercy on your souls." ESSEX- "My Lord, I am not a whit dismayed to receive this sentence, for I protest death is welcome to me as life, and I shall die as cheerful a death upon such a testimony as ever did man. And I think it fit [that] my poor quarters that have done her Majesty such true service in divers parts of the world should be sacrificed and disposed at her Majesty's pleasure; whereunto, with all willingness of heart, I have submitted myself. But one thing I beg of you, my Lords, that have free access to her Majesty's person, humbly to beseech her Majesty to grant unto me that (during the short time I shall live) that I may have the same preacher to comfort me that hath been with me since my troubles began For as he that hath been long sick is most desirous of the physician which hath been and is best acquainted with the constitution of his body, so do I most wish to have the comfort and spiritual physick from the preacher which hath been and is acquainted with the inward griefs and secret affections of my soul." "And my last request shall be only this: that it will please her Majesty that my Lord Thomas HOWARD and the Lieutenant of the Tower may be partakers with me in receiving the Sacrament and be a witness of it, in token of what I have protested to be true in this life- for my loyalty, religion, and peace of conscience. And then whensoever it shall please her Majesty to call me, I shall be ready to seal the same with my blood." "The Lords promised they would move the Queen for his requests." ESSEX- "I humbly thank your Lordships." Then the Sergeant at Arms stood up with the Mace on his shoulder, and after proclamation was made said this: "All peers that were summoned to be here this day may now take their ease, and all other persons attending here this service may depart in her Majesty's peace, for my Lord High Steward is pleased to dissolve this commission." As the lords were rising, the Earl of ESSEX said: "My Lord DE LA WARE and my Lord MORLEY, I bessech your Lordships pardon me for your two sons that were in trouble for my sake. I protest upon my soul they knew not any thing that was or should have been done, but came to me in the morning, and I desired them to stay, and they knew not wherefore. And so farewell, my Lords." Robert DEVEREUX, Earl of ESSEX, was not hanged, drawn and quartered. He fell to the headman's axe, as befitted his rank, 25 February 1601. Henry WRIOTHESLEY, Earl of SOUTHAMPTON, was pardoned by the Queen's mercy, though he spent some years in the Tower. He died of a fever in 1624. As previously pointed out, Ferdinando GORGES, DEVEREUX, WRIOTHESLEY, DRURY were associated in this plot. RALEIGH was confided in by GORGES. Sir Charles BLOUNT [called BLUNT by CECIL] (Earl of DEVONSHIRE and 8th Baron MOUNTJOY) was also named, as was Sir John DAVIES. Additionally, Sir William KNOLLYS, ESSEX'S uncle was called as a witness and was fetched by "Mr. KNYVETT." ESSEX also stated in his testimony that he had gone to "Sheriff SMITH'S house" and sent him to "Mr. Alderman WATS and the the Lord Mayor of London, desiring them to join him (ESSEX). The Earl of RUTLAND (MANNERS) was mentioned by SOUTHAMPTON as having accused him of persuading the Earl of ESSEX into his actions. Finally, Thomas HOWARD and the sons of Thomas Lord DE LA WARE (WEST) and Lord MORLEY (Baron PARKER) were named. HOWARD, being the "punie," and the sons of the other Lords being unwittingly involved with ESSEX'S plot, causing them some trouble. The data above was produced for Thomas BASSETT, Sam. Heyrick, and Matthew GILLYFLOWER in 1679. In 1673, Derrick PAYNE was the master of the ship "GILLYFLOWER" transporting goods for merchant Thomas SANDFORD- an interesting parallel as the name GILLYFLOWER cannot have been a common one. History gives us a lot of details on these men. Yet we tend to see only "snapshots" of a particular time or place. Rarely do we get to see them on a more personal level or their extensive involvements. Let's have a closer look. Beginning with the DEVEREUX and WRIOTHESLEY families, we can trace the genealogy from sources such as "The Complete Peerage" (which is the standard in use within the academic community) and "The Dictionary of National Biography": Robert DEVEREUX, Earl of ESSEX, "of Netherwood, (Thornbury), Herefordshire" was born 10 November 1566. Netherwood is not far removed from the homes of Samuel PEPYS (during his youth) and Goody LAWRENCE at Kingsland; and of Tobias PAYNE at Kings Caple. Sir Robert PAYNE was also licensed to sell tobacco in nearby Hereford. Robert was the son of Walter DEVEREUX, 1st Earl of ESSEX by his wife Lettice KNOLLYS, daughter of Sir Francis KNOLLYS and Catherine CAREY. The "uncle" KNOLLYS spoken of during his trial would have been William KNOLLYS, 1st Earl of BANBURY who had married, as her 2nd husband, Elizabeth HOWARD. The parents of Catherine CAREY were William CAREY and Mary BOLEYN and her brother, Henry CAREY, married Anne MORGAN. (see the 1649 will of Tobias PAYNE for some MORGAN, LAWRENCE, SMITH connections). Upon the death of Walter DEVEREUX, Lettice KNOLLYS married Robert DUDLEY, Earl of LEICESTER, and they had son, Robert DUDLEY, who became the 2nd Earl of ESSEX. The 1st Earl, Robert DEVEREUX, was executed on 25 February 1601 on Tower Hill. He married, as her 2nd husband, Frances WALSINGHAM in 1590 and had daughter, Frances, who married William SEYMOUR, Duke of SOMERSET, whose 1st wife was Arabella STUART, daughter of Charles STUART, 6th Earl of LENNOX by his wife Elizabeth CAVENDISH, daughter of Sir William CAVENDISH.Charles STUART'S brother, Henry STUART, married 29 July 1565 Edinburgh, Scotland, Mary of GUISE, Queen of SCOTS, and their son, James, b. 19 June 1566, became JAMES I, King of England. Robert DEVEREUX'S sister, Penelope, married 1st, Robert Lord RICH, son of Robert RICH, 2nd Baron RICH. Their son, Robert, became the 2nd Earl of WARWICK, and his daughter, Anne, married 1st, John SMITH, son of Sir Thomas SMITH (Treasurer of the Virginia Company) by his wife Sarah BLOUNT, daughter of William BLOUNT, Esq. Anne married 2nd, as his 2nd wife, Edward MONTAGUE, Viscount MONTAGUE, knight of the shire of Huntingdon 1623-1625. Sir Robert PAYNE of St. Neot's, Hunts., was a protege of both Edward MONTAGUE and Oliver CROMWELL [see Derek Wilson, "The King and the Gentleman"]. Sir Robert replaced CROMWELL as MP for Hunts. in 1625. MONTAGUE also was the boss of Samuel PEPYS in the Admiralty, who employed several PAYNE'S in his household [see the Diary's of Samuel PEPYS]. More on the RICH family and the PAYNE connection's to that family shortly. Penelope DEVEREUX'S 2nd husband was Charles BLOUNT, 8th Earl of MOUNTJOY and Earl DEVONSHIRE by 1605- another name from the trial of Robert DEVEREUX. Another sister of Robert DEVEREUX, Dorothy, married Henry PERCY, Earl of NORTHUMBERLAND, son of Henry PERCY, Earl of NORTHUMBERLAND, by his wife, Catherine NEVILL. Their daughter, Dorothy PERCY, married Robert SIDNEY, 2nd Earl of LEICESTER, son of Robert SIDNEY, 1st Earl of LEICESTER; son Algernon PERCY, married 1st, Anne CECIL, daughter of William CECIL, Earl of SALISBURY, by his wife Catherine HOWARD. From this marriage, daughter Anne PERCY, married Philip STANHOPE, Earl CHESTERFIELD, son of Henry Lord STANHOPE. Algernon's 2nd wife was Elizabeth HOWARD and by this marriage, son Joceline PERCY, Earl NORTHUMBERlAND, married Elizabeth WRIOTHESLEY, daughter of Thomas WRIOTHESLEY, Earl SOUTHAMPTON by his wife Elizabeth LEIGH (LEE)- Robert DEVEREUX'S co-conspirator in the trial above. Their daughter, Elizabeth PERCY, married 1st, Henry CAVENDISH, Earl OGLE (who assumed the name PERCY), son of William CAVENDISH, Duke of NEWCASTLE by his wife Elizabeth BASSETT. Elizabeth PERCY married 2nd, Thomas THYNNE, whose family assumed the title of BATH, an office also held previously by the BOURCHIER, GRANVILLE, and PULTENEY families so closely associated with the PAYNE family of LEICESTER/SUFFOLK. Elizabeth PERCY'S 3rd husband was Charles SEYMOUR, 6th Duke of SOMERSET. By this marriage, son Charles SEYMOUR became the Earl of HEREFORD and daughter Elizabeth SEYMOUR married Henry O'BRIEN, 8th Earl THOMOND and Viscount TADCASTER of Ireland., son of Henry Horatio Lord O'BRIEN by his wife Lady Henrietta SOMERSET, whose 2nd husband was Henry HOWARD, 6th Earl of SUFFOLK., son of Henry HOWARD, 5th Earl of SUFFOLK and his wife Mary STUART. The 6th Earl's 1st wife was Aubrie Anne Penelope O'BRIEN (Lady WALDEN), daughter of Henry O'BRIEN, 7th Earl THOMOND by his wife Susan (or Sarah) RUSSELL. Elizabeth WRIOTHESLEY married 2nd, Ralph MONTAGU, Duke MONTAGU. With these families alone, we can easily see the degree to which the peers of England intermarried. Not unlike the merchant network of the 17th century written about by some of our most eminent historians on the subject. Although it is a very complex web to unravel, it is possible for those with a stomach for it. In my case, in order to establish that the merchant network of the 17th century was NOT a product of the colonization of that period, it is necessary to show how they fit into this early network of peers. We have now covered one critical aspect of that. Many of the names found above play an integral role in the lives of the PAYNE family and others of the merchant network. Of the other's named in the trial as being associated with the two conspirators: Charles BLOUNT (1563-1606), Earl of DEVONSHIRE and 8th Baron MOUNTJOY- Knighted in 1586, he was an English soldier and friend of the 2nd Earl of ESSEX. BLOUNT accompanied ESSEX and Sir Walter RALEIGH on their unsuccessful expedition to the Azores in 1597. He became the Lord Deputy of Ireland in 1601 and quelled the revolt led by the Irish chief Hugh O'NEILL, 2nd Earl of TYRONE, when the Irish failed in their attempt to reach a Spanish force that had arrived at Kinsale in 1601. He subdued most of Ireland and was created Earl in 1603. Sir Ferdinando GORGES (ca. 1566-1647), was an English-born American colonist and founder of the state of Maine. GORGES was born in Somerset, and before the age of 21 was a prisoner of the Spaniards. In 1589 he fought for Henry IV of France. He became Governor of Plymouth and was also a close friend of the 2nd Earl of ESSEX, whom he supported in his attempt to rebel. He continued in his office as governor of Plymouth under James I, but later turned his attention to the colonies, and had an interest in many plantations. He received a Royal Charter for Maine in 1639. For much more information on GORGES, RICH, DAVIES, POPHAM, and several others associated with the early merchant network who were closely associated with these men, see http://www.payn.org/members/family-notes.shtml KNYVETT- The connection to the KNYVETT family is also a deep one. Edmund KNYVETT "of Ashwellthorp, Norfolk" was the husband of Joan (or Jane) BOURCHIER, daughter of John BOURCHIER, 2nd Baron BERNERS, and Catherine HOWARD, daughter of John HOWARD, Duke of NORFOLK, and his wife Katherine MOLEYNS. John BOURCHIER was the son of Humphrey BOURCHIER, Lord CROMWELL and Elizabeth TILNEY, whose first husband was Thomas HOWARD, Duke of NORFOLK, son of John HOWARD above. This BOURCHIER line goes back to the PLANTAGENET'S through Henry BOURCHIER, 1st Earl of ESSEX who married Isabel PLANTAGENET, daughter of Richard, Earl of CAMBRIDGE and Lady Anne MORTIMER. Henry BOURCHIER, the 1st Earl of ESSEX was the son of William BOURCHIER, Compte d' EWE (or EU), and his wife Anne of GLOUCESTER, Countess BUCKINGHAM, daughter of Thomas "of Woodstock", Duke of GLOUCESTER and Eleanor BOHUN. Anne of GLOUCESTER had married 1st, Thomas STAFFORD, 3rd Earl STAFFORD and married 2nd, Thomas' brother, Edmund STAFFORD, 5th Earl of STAFFORD, both son's of Hugh STAFFORD, 2nd Earl STAFFORD by his wife Philippe De BEAUCHAMP. Thomas "of Woodstock" was the brother of John "Of GAUNT" who had married Catherine, daughter of PAYNE de ROET, King of Arms. Sir Henry KNYVETT, by his wife Elizabeth STUMPE, had daughter Catherine, as mentioned above, who married 1st, Richard RICH, son of Robert RICH, 2nd Baron RICH and married 2nd, as his 2nd wife, Thomas HOWARD, Earl of SUFFOLK, son of Thomas HOWARD, 4th Duke of NORFOLK by his wife Margaret AUDLEY.Richard RICH'S brother, Robert Lord RICH, married Penelope DEVEREUX, as also mentioned above. His sister, Frances "of Layer Marney, Essex" married, as his 2nd wife, Thomas CAMMOCK. The CAMMOCK family and their intermarriages are significant in yet another aspect of the PAYNE family connections. Through the marriage of Thomas CAMMOCK and Frances RICH, daughter Martha CAMMOCK married Sir Richard SALTONSTALL, the Provisional Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Sir Richard's marriage to Martha was his 3rd, having first married Grace KAYE. By that marriage, their daughter, Rosamond SALTONSTALL, married Col. Richard PAYNE "of Gunley Hall, Montgomeryshire, Wales." Daughter Grace SALTONSTALL married Col. Thomas COOPER. Richard PAYNE has not yet been placed but his residence in Wales was close to that of Tobias PAYNE "of Kings Caple, Hereford" who named William MORGAN in his 1649 will. The MORGAN'S were a prominent family in WALES and several family traditions state that PAYNE'S were also prominent there. Sir Richard SALTONSTALL'S 2nd marriage is said to have been to Elizabeth WEST, the daughter of Thomas WEST, 2nd Lord DE LA WARE, by his wife Anne KNOLLYS. Her first marriage was to Herbert PELHAM, Esq. "the elder." Martha CAMMOCK'S brother, Captain Sussex CAMMOCK was the father of Warwick CAMMOCK who married 1667 in Old Rappahannock County, Virginia, Margaret (believed to have been) POWELL. Robert PAYNE, alias Robert DAVIES, the Clerk of the Rappahannock County Vestry who married Elizabeth LAWSON in 1666, named Warwick CAMMOCK in his 1675 will, making a special provision to appoint Warwick as the overseer of his will. I believe that this Robert PAYNE was the son of Sir Robert PAYNE of St. Neot's, Hunts. which I have addressed elsewhere. Margaret POWELL'S 1st husband was Silvester THATCHER, also of Rappahannock County. Their daughter Elizabeth married John DEANE. Upon the death of Elizabeth, John DEANE married 2nd, Jane WALKER, the daughter of Col. John WALKER by his 1st wife, Sarah. Col. John WALKER'S 2nd wife, and her 3rd husband, was Sarah (nee FOX?), who had 1st married ? BURDEN, 2nd Col. Henry FLEETE, and 4th John STONE. Jane WALKER'S sister, Anne WALKER, married John PAYNE, Jr., son of John PAYNE and Margaret ROBINSON. This John PAYNE was the subject of Col. Brooke Payne's, "PAYNES of Virginia." The daughter of John PAYNE, Jr. and Anne WALKER, Elizabeth PAYNE, married Henry THATCHER, son of Henry THATCHER and Eltonhead CONWAY. Eltonhead CONWAY was the granddaughter of Edward CONWAY, 1st Viscount CONWAY and his wife Dorothy TRACY. This leads into an entirely different set of connections surrounding the CONWAY-TRACY-THATCHER-SUTTON families which has also been addressed previously and may be found at my web site. Having established these facts from reliable sources- those preferred within the academic community, it is possible to move into the colonization period itself under GORGES, RALEIGH, RICH, SALTONSTALL, and others, which encompasses the merchant network as put forth by Bernard Bailyn, Robert Brenner, and other leading historians. I will address this in separate pages, some of which are currently available on my web site- http://papayne.rootsweb.com

Throughout this web site I have presented some of the numerous ties that the merchant network, particularly the PAYNES, had with peers, such as: MONTAGU, RICH, HOWARD, PLANTAGENET, CONWAY, CARTERET, GRANVILLE, BOURCHIER, and STAFFORD. Many of these relationships stem from the fact that they were proteges, members of the household, servants, or relatives of these families. They were often employed in various positions, such as bailiff's, chaplain's, almoner's, palfreymen, etc. and they can be found in those positions from very early dates, going back to at least the 14th century. Those relations continued through the 16th and 17th century colonization period. In the 15th and into the 16th century, the PAYNE family of Leicester/Suffolk was heavily involved with these peers, some of which were supporters of Catherine of ARAGON at CALAIS, France. CALAIS seems to hold a lot of significance for which I am presently delving into. The following is offered as further evidence to these associations. It begins with the trials of the Earl of ESSEX (DEVEREUX) and the Earl of SOUTHAMPTON (WRIOTHESLEY) in 1601 on charges of high treason and moves into the early 17th century colonization attempts by their supporters- on projects these peers were also involved with. It should be noted, however, that there was a lot of division among these families for political and religious reasons. Anyone that has even briefly studied the history of England knows very well that these families often had internal conflicts which placed fathers, sons and brothers at odds- often resulting in open warfare. It should come as no surprise, therefore, that their subjects would have been equally divided in their own families. The PAYNE'S are a good example of this. For example, The Leicester/Suffolk branch, descendants of Sir Thomas PAYNE "of Market Bosworth" served the Duke of Buckingham (Edward STAFFORD), Sir Thomas KYTSON, and the Earl and Countess of Bath (BOURCHIER). Dame Margaret DONNINGTON, in fact, had first married Sir Thomas KYTSON, a devout Catholic who established his own chapel at Hengrave Hall. She later married John BOURCHIER, the Earl of Bath. Henry PAYNE, bailiff of Hengrave, thus became her "beloved friend." On the other hand, Robert PAYNE "of Huntingdonshire," who is thought to have also been a son of Sir Thomas PAYNE "of Market Bosworth," and his family, were connected to CROMWELL and MONTAGU- placing them in direct conflict with their relatives in Suffolk. Robert PAYNE, the grandfather of Sir Robert "of St. Neot's, Hunts.," was responsible for the dissolution of the Catholic monasteries in Huntingdonshire under King Henry VIII. The MONTAGU'S and CROMWELL'S themselves were a divided family, on opposing sides during the English Civil War. Such divisions were notorious during the earlier War of the Roses, which these families were undoubtedly affected by. In fact, Market Bosworth in Leicester was the scene of the last battle of that family conflict- which occured precisely at a time when the family of Sir Thomas PAYNE removed from Leicester to Suffolk- 1489. Henry's father, William PAYNE, had served under Edward STAFFORD (Duke of Buckingham) and his wife, Eleanor PERCY. If their family genealogy is traced back from this time, the both lead to the LANCASTRIAN government (and to PAYNE De ROET'S daughters- Catherine and Philippa). To begin with the trial of ESSEX (DEVEREUX) and SOUTHAMPTON (WRIOTHESLEY) in the year 1601, we find that "the Lords were called and answered to appear as followeth:" (I assume in order of precedence. The Lord's surname is given following the title) (Note: this is not a full transcription of the case, although it all makes for interesting reading. I have included only the text that applies to those involved which establishes later events and associations during the colonization.) · Edward Earl of OXFORD (VERE) · Gilbert Earl of SHREWSBURY (TALBOT) · William Earl of DERBY (STANLEY) · Edward Earl of WORCESTER (SOMERSET) · George Earl of CUMBERLAND (CLIFFORD) · Robert Earl of SUSSEX (RATCLIFFE) · Edward Earl of HERTFORD (SEYMOUR) · Henry Earl of LINCOLN (CLINTON) · Charles Earl of NOTTINGHAM (HOWARD) · Thomas Viscount BINDON (HOWARD) · Thomas Lord DE LA WARE (WEST) · Edward Lord MORLEY (PARKER) · Henry Lord COBHAM · Henry Lord STAFFORD · Thomas Lord GRAY · Thomas Lord LUMLEY · Henry Lord WINDSOR · William Lord CHANDOS · Robert Lord RICH · Thomas Lord D'ARCY · George Lord HUNSDON · Oliver Lord ST. JOHN of BLESTO · Thomas Lord BURGHLEY · William Lord COMPTON · Thomas Lord HOWARD of WALDEN "Then the Earl of ESSEX (DEVEREUX) desired to know of my Lord Chief Justice, whether he might challenge any of the peers or no, whereunto the Lord Chief Justice answered No: and Mr. Attorney General alleged a case in Henry the Eighth's time, of my Lord D'ARCY, whereupon the Earl bade them go on." (when the Lord GRAY was called, the Earl of ESSEX laughed upon the Earl of SOUTHAMPTON (WRIOTHESLEY), and jogged him upon his sleeve.) "Then they were called to hold up their hands at the bar, which they did, And then the Clerk of the Crown read the indictments. That being done, they were bid to hold up their hands again, which they did, and another indictment was read, whereunto the Earl of ESSEX was attentive. After which the Clerk of the Crown asked them whether they were Guilty or Not Guilty, they pleaded Not Guilty; and for their trials they put themselves upon God and the Peers. They spake this severally. They my Lord High Steward in a few words gave the peers a charge, requiring them to have due regard for their consciences." Various witnesses were called forth, including those for the defense, which are of interest for these purposes. The first being the confession of Sir FERDINANDO GORGES, which I include here: "He (GORGES) deposeth that in January last the Earl of ESSEX wrote to him a letter, wherein he complained grievously of his misfortunes and the miserable estate he stood in, whereof he proposed shortly to free himself. And therefore prayed Sir Ferdinando GORGES to come up to London to him; who coming accordingly, the Earl told him how mightily he was crossed and discredited by his private enemies, which he could not endure. "For," saith he, "I have 120 Earls, Barons, and Gentleman that participate in my discontented humour and will join with me; and I desire your help and counsel therein. One especial friend I have in the Court, whereby I have intelligence from time to time. And I hold ourselves indifferently affected by the citizens of London and hope to have a good party in Wales." "He confessed also that they had two several meetings at DRURY House (a family known to Henry PAYNE from which he had purchased lands and left his CHAUCER manuscript in his 1569 will to the grandson of Ursula DRURY- Sir Gilles ALINGTON) to consult of these matters and the projects were, whether it were better first to surprise the Court or to take the Tower of London, or to stir the City. But most agreed first to surprise the Court and then and there Sir John DAVIES (undoubtedly a relative of Captain Robert DAVIES which will be addressed shortly) took pen, ink, and paper and set down that some should keep the Hall, some the Court Gates, some the Guard Chamber, and some the Presence Chamber, saying many of the Guard had been the Earl of ESSEX'S servants and were preferred to the Queen by him, and will be more indifferent to deal with than others. And so my Lord shall have a way through his own guards to come to the Privy Chamber and the presence of the Queen." "And Sir Ferdinando GORGES said to the Earl of ESSEX, "Alas, My Lord! What is so small a number of men able to do in so worthy an action?" And so dissuaded the Earl from surprising the Court, and rather bade him submit himself to the Queen's mercy than proceed any further." "And the Earl of SOUTHAMPTON said at ESSEX House, "is it not three months since this plot began, and shall we resolve on nothing?" Then upon a sudden they all agreed to first stir up London, where they assured themselves of great favour. And after the council was locked up, this deponent followed the troops into London, and after some advice the Earl of ESSEX sent him back again with a token to deliver to the Lord Chief Justice only, by colour of which token be set at liberty the Lork Keeper and the rest." "Lastly, he confirmed that he told Sir Walter RALEIGH first upon the Thames of my Lord of ESSEX'S making his house into a Guard, and putting his friends into arms, as it is delivered by Sir Walter RALEIGH. At this point we have learned that Sir Ferdinando GORGES was a partisian of Lord DEVEREUX, who at this time, had been conspiring with Lord WRIOTHESLEY and other Lords ("For," sayeth he, "I have 120 Earls, Barons, and Gentlemen...") at DRURY House. This at least implies that the DRURY'S were also involved with DEVEREUX (whether directly or indirectly). GORGES, hearing of the scheme then confided in Sir Walter RALEIGH "upon the Thames." Also, ESSEX had implicated Lord CECIL. Depending on the point of view taken, DEVEREUX was either "conspiring" to overthrow the government or, as he claimed in his defense, merely attempting to ensure that he would have safe and unhindered access to the Queen to plead his case. "Here Sir Robert CECIL stepped forth into the Court (having kept himself private till then) and humbly desired leave to speak to ESSEX." CECIL- "The difference between you and me is great: for I speak in in the person of an honest man, and you, my lord, in the person of a traitor. For well I know you have it at will. The pre-eminence hath been yours, but I have Innocence, Truth of Conscience, and Honesty to defend me against the scandal of slanderous tongues and aspiring hearts." And I protest before God, I have loved your person, and justified [defended] your virtues. And I appeal to God and the Queen that I told her Majesty that your afflictions would make you a fit servant for her. And had I not seen your ambitious affections inclined to usurption, I could have gone on my knees to her Majesty to have done you good. But you have a sheep's garment in show, and in appearance are humble and religious; but God be thanked we know you. For indeed your religion appears by BLOUNT, DAVIES, and TRESHAM- your chiefest councilors for the present- and by promising liberty of conscience hereafter." I stand for Loyalty, which I never lost. You stand for Treachery, wherewith your heart is possessed. And you charge me with high things, wherein I defy you to the utmost." "You, my good lords, councilors of state, have many conferences and I do confess I have said the King of Scots is a competitor, and the King of Spain is a competitor, and you, I have said, are a competitor. You would depose the Queen. You would be King of England and call a parliament." "Ah my lord, were it but your own case the loss had been the less; but you have drawn a number of noble persons and gentlemen of birth and quality into your net of rebellion, and their bloods will cry vengeance upon you. For my part, I vow to God, I wish my soul was in heaven and my body at rest, so this had never been." ESSEX- "Ah, Mr. Secretary, I thank God for my humbling, that you in the ruff or your bravery came to make your oration against me here this day." CECIL- "My lord, I humbly thank God that you did not take me for a fit companion for you and your humours, for if you had, you would have drawn me to betray my sovereign, as you have done. But I would have you name the councilor you speak of. Name him! Name him if you dare; I defy you, name him if you dare!" ESSEX- "Here stands an honourable person (meaning the Earl of SOUTHAMPTON) that knows I speak no fables. He heard it as well as I." CECIL- "Then my good lord of SOUTHAMPTON, I adjure you by the duty you owe to God, Loyalty, and Allegiance you owe to your Sovereign, by all tokens of true Christianity, and by the ancient friendship and acquaintance between us, that you name the councilor." SOUTHAMPTON- "Mr. Secretary, if you will needs have me name the councilor, it was Mr. Comptroller [Sir William KNOLLYS, ESSEX'S uncle.]." "Whereupon the Secretary falling down upon his knees, said, I thank God for this day, and upon his knee desired the Lord High Steward that a Gentleman of the Privy Chamber (or one that might have access to the Queen) might go, and humbly entreat Her Highnes to command Mr. Comptroller to come before your Grace [the justice]." "Here the Lord High Steward calling Mr. KNYVETT (a gentleman of Her Majesty's Privy Chamber) said unto him: Go, Mr. KNYVETT, unto her Majesty and let her understand Mr. Secretary's demand." CECIL- "Mr. KNYVETT, you shall have free access unto Her Majesty. Tell her that I vow before the God of Heaven that if she refuse to send Mr. Comptroller, whereby I may clear myself of these open scandals, I will rather die at her foot as her subject and vassal than live to do her any more service in the honourable degree wherein her Highness employs me. And withal, let me adjure you Mr. KNYVETT that you do not acquaint Mr. Comptroller with the cause why you come for him." "Mr. KNYVETT went, and not long afterward returned with Mr. Comptroller, to whom the Lord High Steward [Lord BUCKHURST] repeated the cause why he was sent for, and desired him to satisfy the Lords whether Mr. Secretary did use any such speech in his hearing, or to his knowledge." Mr. Comptroller (KNOLLYS)- "I remember once in Mr. Secretary's company there was a book read that treated of such matters. But I never did hear Mr. Secretary use any such words, or to that effect." "Whereupon Mr. Secretary thanked God, that though the Earl stood there as a traitor, yet he [CECIL himself] was found an honest man and faithful subject, withal saying: I beseech God to forgive you for this open wrong done unto me, as I do openly pronounce, I forgive you from the bottom of my heart." ESSEX- "And I, Mr. Secretary, do clearly and freely forgive you with all my soul, because I mean to die in charity." BACON- "My lord, you may now perceive that my lord of ESSEX went about to procure the matter, and to give over on the instant." After ESSEX had presented his defense, attention then turned to SOUTHAMPTON: SOUTHAMPTON- "Well, I beseech your lordship, let me satisfy your Lordship and the rest thus much, that for my own part, I did never know the laws." "Now to show the causes that made me adventure so far as I did. The first occasion that made me adventure into these courses was the affinity betwixt my Lord of ESSEX and me- I being of his blood and marrying his kinswoman- so that for his sake I would have hazarded my life. But of what I have by my forwardness offended in act I am altogether ignorant, but in thought I am assured never. If through my ignorance in the Law I have offended, yet I humbly submit myself to her Majesty, and from the bottom of my heart do beg her gracious pardon if it please her." "And I hope that neither your Lordship nor any of the peers will hold any of the former resolutions spoken of by these orators. For any certainty depends no otherwise than one upon the other. Fir if any foolish speeches have passed, I protest as I shall be saved that they were never purposed by me, nor understood to be purposed by me, to the hurt of Her Majesty's person." ESSEX- "I beseech your lordship to understand me and assure yourself that what I now speak is not with any desire, I protest, to spare one drop of my own blood. And because some honourable persons are interested in the cause, I would (under favor) signify, because the point hath been so much urged by Mr. Attorney, that our being in London when we were past [St.] Paul's, word was brought to me that the chain was drawn at Ludgate, and that my lord of CUMBERLAND (CLIFFORD) was there. Which when I heard I was right glad to have put myself into so honourable a person's hands as his. But it was a false report, for my lord was not then come tither." "After which I went to Sheriff's SMITH'S house, and after my coming tither, I sent the sheriff and Mr. Alderman WATS to my Lord Mayer (Mayor?), desiring him to come to us. [Or] if he would not, to send four of his aldermen to see if we demeaned ourselves loyally, with intent to put ourselves into their hands to use us as they would, or to put us into any prison. Yet, in regard of our private enemies, and the fear of their treachery, we desired them to shut their gates. And this was the end for which we went into the City." Mr. ATTORNEY- "My Lord, if you had no other purpose, why did you go into Gracious Street and Fenchurch Street, crying out all the way you went, "England is bought and sold to the Spainiard?" SOUTHAMPTON- "Mr. Attorney, I protest. As I hope to have mercy in Heaven, I never heard my Lord speak any such word. Neither did I hear of the proclamation you speak of, made by my Lord BURGHLEY and the Herald at Arms. Neither did I see them, and I deny (my soul and conscience bearing me witness) that I even knew of any intent or meaning, or did ever mean or intend any treason, rebellion, or other action against my Sovereign of the State. What I did was to assist my Lord of ESSEX in his private quarrel." "And therefore, Mr. Attorney, you have urged the matter very far and wrong me therein. My blood be upon your head." "As for my Lord of RUTLAND (MANNERS), whereas he inferreth against me to be a persuader and inviter of my Lord of ESSEX to these actions, he wrongeth me exceedingly, for he was never the man saw me once discontented, and therefore had small ground or reason so to say." "And you, Mr. Attorney, whereas you have charged me for a Papist, I protest most unfeignedly, I was never concersant with any of that sort. I only knew one WHITE, a priest that went up and down the town, yet I never did converse with him in all my life." Upon completion of the testimony, the Proclamation was made: Sergeant at Arms (RALEIGH)- "Lieutenant of the Tower, withdraw your prisoners from the Bar." They being removed, the Lords and Peers went together into a private place made of purpose behind the canopy and chair of Estate. Then the two Chief Judges and the Lord Chief Baron were sent for in to them to deliver their opinions in law. After half an hour, they came all out again, and each man took his place. Which being done, the Sergeant at Arms begun at the punie [lowest ranking] Lord, and called Thomas, Lord HOWARD, who stood up bare headed. Then said the Lord High Steward:" My Lord Thomas HOWARD, [say] whether is Robert Earl of ESSEX guilty of this treason whereupon he hath been indicted, as you take it upon your honour, or no?" "Whereupon the Lord Thomas HOWARD made answer, bending his body and laying his left hand upon his right side, said: Guilty, my Lord, of High treason." "After which manner all the Peers found him guilty one after another from the punie to the highest, and so delivered in like sort upon their honours. Being called over anew, they found Henry Earl of SOUTHAMPTON guilty of High treason also." "Then the Sergeant of Arms commanded the Lieutenant of the Tower to bring his prisoners to the Bar again. Then the Clerk of the Crown speaking first to the Earl of ESSEX said:" Clerk of the Crown- "Robert Earl of ESSEX, you have been arraigned and indicted of High Treason. You have pleaded Not Guilty. And for your trial you have put yourself upon God and your peers. The peers here, who have heard the evidence and your answer in your defense, have found you guilty. Now what can you say for yourself why you should not have judgement of Death." ESSEX- "I only say this, that since I have committed that wich hath brought me within the compass of the law, I may be counted the law's traitor in offending the law, for which I am willing to die, and will as willingly go thereto as ever did any. But I beseech your Lordship and the rest of the Lords here to have consideration of what I have formerly spoken, and do me right as to think of me as a Christian, and that I have a soul to save, and that I know it is no time to jest." "Lying and counterfeiting my soul abhoreth, for I am not so desperate nor void of grace now to speak falsely. I do not speak to save my life, for I see that were in vain. I owe God a death, which shall be welcome, how soon ever it pleaseth her Majesty. And to satisfy the opinion of the world, that my conscience is free from Atheism and Popery, howsoever I have been in this action minded to transgress to points of the law in the course and defense of private matters, and whatsoever through the weakness of my with the dullness of memory, or through violent courses (if there be any violent that seek either life or death). "Or if I have omitted or may have uttered any thing otherwise, yet I will live and die in the faith and true religion which here I have professed."

William (chr. 2 Dec. 1565) was the son of Anthony PAYNE "of Manor NOWTON in Bury St. EDMUNDS" and Martha CASTLE (CASTELL). William's brother, John PAYNE, chr. 1558, buried Nowton 28 Oct. 1597 married Frances, daughter of Robert SPRING. Sister, Anne PAYNE, chr. 13 Jan. 1560, married William WESTON- whom I believe was a member of the WESTON family so heavily involved in the colonization effort. Anthony's parents were William PAYNE "of Market Bosworth, Leicester" and Margery, daughter of Thomas ASH. William PAYNE was the bailiff of the Manor of Hengrave, Suffolk for Edward STAFFORD, Duke of Buckingham, executed in 1521. His son, Henry PAYNE, Esq., was appointed to the position of bailiff in place of his father, by STAFFORD'S successor, Sir Thomas KYTSON and the title BUCKINGHAM then passed to the VILLIERS family in 1616. Henry was also the Attorney for the Earl and the Countess of BATH (BOURCHIER), a family that intermarried with the PAYN family of Jersey in the Channel Islands and the CROMWELL family. These connections between the PAYNE'S, HOWARD'S, BOURCHIER'S, KYTSON'S, CROMWELL'S- and their successors to the title's they held, become of CRITICAL importance to understanding the later network. Also see Derek Wilson's, "The King and the Gentleman, Charles STUART and Oliver CROMWELL 1599-1649," St. Mary's Press, 1999.] Again, the page regarding Sir PAYNE De ROET, provides details on these relationships which connect the Leicester/Suffolk family to him as does that interesting fact the in the will of Henry PAYNE, Esq., he mentions "My CHAUCER, written on vellem and illuminated in gold." This "CHAUCER" owned by Henry, has been confirmed to have been that which is now on display at the Huntington Library, and is known as the ELLESMERE Manuscript. Perhaps this fact, rather than his associations, lends more to the notion of there being a connection to Sir PAYNE De ROET from his family. Henry's brother, Thomas PAYNE, b. abt. 1540 in Suffolk, died 14 Apr. 1631 at age 90/91 years of age. He married in July 1578 Cooklie "near HALESWORTH," Blything, Suffolk, Katheren, daughter of Thomas HARASANT De CRANSFORD. Their son, Thomas, Jr., born 11 Dec. 1586 "of Wrentham, Suffolk and of Salem, Mass.", died 10 Apr. 1638, Weaver, married Wrentham 22 Nov. 1610 Elizabeth (possibly Elizabeth Margaret PULTENEY). Their son, Thomas PAYNE, born prob. Wrentham 18 Jan. 1612/13, died Dedham, Mass. 3 Aug. 1684, Proprietor of Dedham 8 Nov. 1640, married Rebecca WARE. Matthew BRANCH, born Henrico County, Virginia 1661, died Henrico 1726, married Frances WARE, born Henrico County, about 1665. Here we find a connection from the Leicester/Suffolk PAYNE family to another in county BERKSHIRE. Matthew was the son of Thomas BRANCH, chr. Jamestown May 1620, died Varina Parish, Henrico County 1694/95, married Henrico about 1650 Elizabeth, daughter of Matthew GOOCH. Thomas BRANCH was the grandson of Lionel BRANCH born 18 Aug. 1566 London, chr. Abingdon, Oxfordshire 20 Aug. 1566, died 1605, and Valentina SPARKE (SPARHE). Lionel was the son of William BRANCH, born Abingdon 1524, died Abingdon 7 Feb. 1601/2, who had married St. Helen's, Abingdon in 1556 Katherine, daughter of Thomas JENNINGS and Alice BRIGHT. The connections here, between the BRANCH and JENNINGS families, gives us many leads to previously unknown connections between various branches of the PAYNE family. John PAYNE, born about 1615, died 1689/90, married Margaret ROBINSON, who probably had married a JENNINGS prior to her marriage to John. It is also believed that John PAYNE had a previous marriage. In any case, Richard ROBINSON confirms his relationship to John PAYNE by naming him as his "closest kinsmen." John JENNINGS married Margaret PAYNE, thought to have been the daughter of John PAYNE. More research needs to be done here, but I am fairly sure that here we will find a place for the family of John PAYNE- and possibly for Thomas PAINE of St. Mary's County, Maryland as well. There are many angles to be considered here for which I will reserve for a later time to conserve space. Briefly, however, of great interest to PAYNE researchers are a number of connection's here. Martha BRANCH, daughter of William and Katherine JENNINGS BRANCH, married Robert PAYNE, born about 1570 "of Abingdon, Berkshire" (Abingdon was in Berkshire prior to the 1974 county restructuring and now lies in Oxfordshire), died 3 May 1628. Upon Robert's marriage to Martha BRANCH, her brother, Thomas, deeded the BULL INN, Bell Street, Henley-on-Thames, Abingdon, to Robert. Robert passed the BULL INN to his son, Richard PAYNE, who is listed as its proprietor in 1624. In 1639, Richard PAYNE was made Attorney for Thomas MAYHEW and Jane GALLION of Massachusetts. Jane GALLION was the widow of Thomas PAYNE, born London 1608, died England about 1634 "late of London, Merchant" and toghether they has son Thomas PAYNE, Jr. who married Hannah BRAY 25 Aug. 1659 "of New Haven, Connecticut." Thomas PAYNE, Sr. is believed to have been the son of Thomas PAYNE, chr. 13 Apr. 1574 "of Lambourn, Berkshire" and the brother of Robert PAYNE who married Martha BRANCH in Abingdon. This would explain why Gov. MAYHEW and the widow of Thomas PAYNE obtained the services of Richard PAYNE of Abingdon as their Attorney to oversee the lands in Northamptonshire bequethed to Thomas PAYNE, Jr. by "his ancestors" [see Thomas Lechford's Note-Book 1638-1641, Picton Press] Robert PAYNE, Jr., son of Robert and Martha BRANCH PAYNE, and brother of Richard (Attorney for Gov. Thomas MAYHEW and widow Jane GALLION PAYNE) was the Headmaster of Abingdon School and Rector of St. Nicholas Church in Abingdon. At this point, I have shown connections between several PAYNE branches- from Leicester/ Suffolk, Berkshire/Oxfordshire, Virginia, New England, and Jersey. But there are still many more to follow. Getting back to the family of William PAYNE and Margery ASH (I deviated at their son Thomas who married Katheren HARASANT De CRANSFORD), I want to make some other associations before moving along. Son Nicholas PAYNE, born Hengrave, Suffolk, after 14 June 1568 marrief Anne BOWLES "of Baldock, Hertz County" (another prominent name of interest). Their son William "of Worlington, Suffolk and devisee of the Manor of Netherall Tindalls in Soham" married 8 Nov. 1585, Ann CHENERY (still another name of interest). Daughter Dorothy PAYNE married Thomas NICHOLS, a surname associated with the PAYN'S of Jersey, much like the BOURCHIER family (also CARTERET and others as I will soon address)- both of which appear to have been ancient families of Jersey with roots in Normandy and connections to the knights of the same name who served William I and his son, Robert, Duke of Normandy. Another daughter, Ann PAYNE married John HOWARD, yet another connection which provides another link back to friar Hugh PAYNE through his relationship to the HOWARD family as mentioned above. The HOWARD family held (and still hold's) many title's in England, including: Earl BERKSHIRE from 1626, Baron FIZT-ALAN 1627, Viscount HOWARD of MORPETH 1661, Baron HOWARD of WALDEN 1597, Baron MALTRAVERS 1556, Duke NORFOLK 1483, Earl NORTHAMPTON 1604-1614, Earl NORWICH 1672-1777, Viscount STAFFORD 1640-1678, Earl SUFFOLK 1603, and Earl SURREY 1483, among many others- all of which hold some importance in relation to the PAYNE family throughout this history. The associations with the HOWARD family within the netwotk and the PAYNE family run very deep indeed, beginning with the associations of the Leicester/Suffolk family and Hugh PAYNE of Hadleigh, Suffolk. William PAYNE (husband of Margery Ash, above), was the son of Edmund PAYNE, born before 1540, "of Market Bosworth, Leicester" and his wife, Elizabeth, daughter of Robert WALTON. Edmund was the son of Sir Thomas PAYNE and Margaret PULTENEY, ancestors of the later Earl of BATH. Apart from the PULTENEY'S, the reader should note that the title BATH was also held by the BOURCHIER family (as noted above) and also the GRANVILLE family. The GRANVILLE'S intermarried with yet another family of the Peerage with roots in Jersey- the CARTERET family. PAYNS and CARTERETS had been intermarrying in Jersey since at least the early 1300s as recorded in the records of the island- and these associations can be found in nearly every century of the islands recorded history- right up to the last century. George CARTERET was a close associate of Samuel PEPYS and Lord Edward MONTAGU (another Peer closely associated with the PAYNE family)- all officers of the Admiralty. In fact, Samuel PEPYS arranged the marriage between George CARTERET'S son, Philip, to Jemima MONTAGU, daughter of Edward. PEPYS also employed several PAYNE'S in his household and as "watermen." [see the diary of Samuel PEPYS] Derek WILSON, a well known biographer, states that Sir Robert PAYNE of Huntingdonshire, the home of PEPYS, was a "friend and protege" of the CROMWELL and MONTAGU families. Sir Robert replaced Oliver CROMWELL as MP for Huntingdonshire in 1625. Again, I refer the reader to http://www.payn.org/catherine-paynesteward.shtml showing the connection to yet another PAYNE family to the CROMWELL'S, as the Protector's grandmother was Catherine, daughter of Thomas PAYNE, Esq., "of Castle Acre, Norfolk." The reader will also recall the involvement of the CROMWELL family (Sir Thomas CROMWELL) with Hugh PAYNE of Hadleigh, Suffolk as related above. Oliver CROMWELL himself married Elizabeth BOURCHIER, whose ancestors held the title of BATH, and had employed Henry PAYNE of the Suffolk family as their Attorney's, calling him their "beloved friend" and leaving him bequests in their wills. Sir Robert PAYNE was the great-grandson of Robert PAYNE of St. Neot's, Huntingdonshire. His father, also named Robert, was responsible for reporting to the monastery to the Commissioners appointed under King Henry VIII to confiscate the Church lands. Sir Robert's great-grandfather is thought to have been the son of Sir Thomas PAYNE "of Market Bosworth" Below, I will bring together all of the facts which bring these various PAYNE branches, all of whom had arrived in America prior to 1650- under one family, where we find the following links between them: Sir Robert PAYNE b. about 1589 "of St. Neot's, Huntingdonshire," knighted Greenwich 22 May 1605; married Elizabet, daughter of George ROTHERHAM "of SOMERYS, Bedfordshire"; MP for Huntingdonshire 1614-1625, "Merchant of London and subscriber of the London Company of Virginia 1609 and again 1612"; "friend and protege of Edward MONTAGU and Oliver CROMWELL." [see correspondance from Major Algar Howard, Esq., M.C., Norroy Kings College of Arms and Registrar of the College of Arms in London in "PAYNES of Virginia"; also Derek Wilson, "The King and the Gentleman"] Robert PAYNE, AKA DAVIES, d. 4 Nov. 1675; married Elizabeth, b. 1652, daughter of Epaphraditus LAWSON and Elizabeth MADESTARD; Clerk of the Rappahannock County, Virginia Vestry 1662-1666. Son of Sir Robert PAYNE above; Robert named in his will Warwick CAMMOCK b. after 1635, prob. of Boreham, Essex, who married Margaret (POWELL?) in 1667 who m2. Silvester THATCHER. Warwick was the grandson of Thomas CAMMOCK "of Layer Marney, Essex, d. 1602 Maldon, Essex; married Francis, daughter of Robert RICH, 2nd Baron RICH, son of Robert RICH, Earl of WARWICK. Their daughter, Martha CAMMOCK married Sir Richard SALTONSTALL, chr. 4 Apr. 1586 Halifax, Yorkshire, d. bef. 25 Oct. 1661 Crayford, Kent; Sir Richard was the Provisional Governor and leading supporter of the Massachusetts Bay Company. Another connection here is that Elizabeth PAYNE, daughter of John PAYNE, Jr. and Anne WALKER, daughter of Col. John WALKER and Sarah ?, married Henry THATCHER, b. 19 Aug. 1663, son of Henry THATCHER and Eltonhead CONWAY. Eltonhead CONWAY was the granddaughter of Edward Lord CONWAY, 1st Viscount CONWAY, and the Secretary of State for England. [see PAYNES of Virginia; Records of Rappahannock County held at Tappahannock Court House] Richard SALTONSTALL partnered in 1645 with William PAYNE "of Ipswich, Mass." on an expedition to the Deleware River seeking the "Great Lake" and to secure monopoly of the beaver trade. [Bailyn, "New England Merchants, p. 53] Capt. George PAYNE, b. abt. 1606, "Merchant of London," who "married 15 July 1634 Saint John, Hackney, London, Rachel, sister of London Merchants Joseph and Nathaniel HAWES"; son of Sir Robert PAYNE above. Another brother-in-law of George was Randall MAINWARRING, by his marriage to Elizabeth HAWES. MAINWARRING'S cousin was Matthew CRADDOCK, who was also a partner of George PAYNE. Gov. Thomas MAYHEW (step-father of Thomas PAYNE below) paid taxes in Medford for Matthew CRADDOCK [see Brenner "Merchants and Revolution"; Bailyn "New England Merchants"] Catherine PAYNE, daughter of Thomas PAYNE, Esq. "of Castle Acre, Norfolk" who married "about 1564 Castle Acre, Norfolk" William STEWARD "of Huntingdon and also of Ely, Glamorganshire, Wales" and was the grandmother of Oliver CROMWELL. CROMWELL married Elizabeth BOURCHIER- a name prominent in Jersey and who also held the title of BATH. The Earl and Countess of BATH of the surname were "the beloved friends of Henry PAYNE" of the Ipswich branch of the family. The GRANVILLE family also came in the title and they intermarried with the CARTERET family, also from Jersey. The PULTENEY family then followed in the title of BATH, and I have already shown the intermarriage with that family. [see <http://www.payn.org/catherine-paynesteward.shtml%5D>http://www.payn.org/ca therine-paynesteward.shtml] Thomas PAYNE, b. 1608 London, d. about 1634 "Late Merchant of London" who married 15 Oct. 1620 Wantage, Berkshire, Jane GALLION and had son Thomas PAYNE, Jr., b. 16 Feb. 1632 "of London" who married 25 Aug. 1659, Hannah BRAY b. about 1638 "of New Haven, Connecticut"; upon the death of Thomas PAYNE, Sr., widow Jane married 1634 Medford, Mass., Governor Thomas MAYHEW, b. 31 Mar. 1592 Tisbury, Wilts., d. 25 Mar. 1681 Martha's Vineyard, Mass. [see Thomas Lechfor's Note-Book 1638-1641] Robert PAYNE, b. about 1570 "of Abingdon, Berkshire (now Oxfordshire), d. 3 May 1628 who married Martha, b. 1 May 1568 "of Abingdon", d. 9 Dec. 1626, daughter of William BRANCH b. 1524, d. 7 Feb. 1601/2, buried "North Aisle, St. Helen's, Abingdon, Berks." and wife Katherine, daughter of Thomas JENNINGS and Alice BRIGHT. Robert and Martha's son, Richard PAYNE, was named in 1639 as the Attorney for Thomas MAYHEW, Jane GALLION, and Thomas PAYNE, Jr.; Richard's brother, Robert PAYNE, Jr., was the headmaster of Abingdon School and rector of St. Nicholas Church, Abingdon. As previously mentioned, Gov. Thomas MAYHEW was also closely associated with Mathew CRADDOCK, the cousin of Randell MAINWARRING who was the brother-in-law of Capt. George PAYNE, son of Sir Robert of St. Neot's, Hunts. [see Thomas Lechford's Note-Book 1638-1641; Records of Abingdon School, St. Nicholas Church, tablet held at "Our Lady's aisle of St. Helen's, Abingdon"] John PAYNE, b. about 1615, d. 1689/90 on the Patuxent River, "of Rappahannock County, Virginia; married Margaret ROBINSON; [John is the subject of Col. Brooke PAYNE'S, "PAYNES of Virginia."; see also Colonial Records Project, Library of Virginia] Thomas PAYNE, b. about 1612, d. 1673 of St. Mary's County, Maryland; married Jane SMALLPIECE [Maryland Archives; "Early Mariners of Maryland"; Colonial Records Project, Library of Virginia"] William PAYNE, b. 1598/9 "of Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk and Watertown, Mass.", d. 10 Oct. 1660 Boston, Mass., married Ann ?, father of John PAYNE, b. 1632, died "at sea" 1675, married Sarah, daughter of Richard PARKER; Proprietors of the Iron Works at Lynn, Mass. on the Saugus River. Descendants of Sir Thomas PAINE "of Market Bosworth, Leicester" and Margaret PULTENEY [see "Iron Works on the Saugus; "PAINE Genealogy- Ipswich Branch"; "PAINE Family Record, vol. II; WINTHROP PAPERS; "Great Migration Begins"] Stephen PAYNE, b. abt. 1603 Great Ellingham, Norfolk, buried 21 Aug. 1679 Rehoboth, Mass. "Merchant of New England"; maried Alice Elizabeth ?, widow of William PARKER d. 5 Mar. 1659 "of Taunton, Mass.," believed to have been the brother of Richard PARKER above; Stephen m1. Neele (Neale or Nell?), chr. 20 Feb. 1602/3 Attleborough, Norfolk, daughter of John ADCOCKE and Elizabeth ELDRED; Decendant of Thomas PAYNE b. abt. 1485, d. bef. 4 Oct. 1555, buried St. James Church, Great Ellingham, Norfolk and Margaret ? [Thomas Lechford's Note-Book 1638-1641; "Great Migration Begins"] Moses PAYNE, chr. 23 Apr. 1581 "of Frittenden & Tenterden, Kent", d. 21 June 1643 Braintree Mass., m1. 2 Nov. 1615 Mary, d. 6 Mar. 1617/8, daughter of John BENISON; m2. Elizabeth, chr. 26 Oct. 1589 Cranbrook, Kent, buried 11 Oct. 1632 Tenterden, Kent, daughter of Richard & Margery SHEAFE. Elizabeth m1. ? COLLIER; m3. Judith, d. 29 Mar. 1654 Boston, Mass., daughter of Edmund QUINCY. Judith m1. ? PARES. Moses is found in the records of William and John PAYNE of Watertown, Mass and also invested in the Iron Works at Saugus; Descandant of Richard (Stephen?) PAYN, m. Agnes ?, Chamberlain of the Bishop of St. David's and of John PAYN b. abt. 1420 Frittenden, Kent and wife Joanne ? [see "Decendants of John PAYN"; "Iron Works on the Saugus"] Tobias PAYNE, chr. Bitton, Gloucester, 12 Mar. 1649 "of Fownhope, Herefordshire", d. 12 Sep. 1669 Boston, Mass., m. Sarah, b. 1638 Plymouth, Mass., d. 9 Apr. 1726 Boston, daughter of Pilgrim John WINSLOW and Mary CHILTON "of Droitwich"; Tobias was the granson of Tobias PAYNE, Gent., d. 8 Feb. 1649 "of Kings Scaple, Herefordshire and Joan (SCUDAMORE?), d. aft. feb. 1649 [see Mayflower Families, CHILTON/MORE/ROGERS, Book 2; "Great Migration Begins"] Thomas PAYNE, b. 18 Jan. 1612 Kent, England, d. 16 Aug. 1706 Eastham, Mass.; m. July 1650 Eastham, Mass., Mary b. abt. 14 Dec. 1630 Plymouth, Mass., d. 28 Apr. 1704 Eastham, Mass., daughter of Nicholas SNOW d. 15 Nov. 1676 Easham, and Constance HOPKINS d. 15 Oct. 1677 Eastham, daughter of Pilgrim Stephen HOPKINS and Elizabeth FISHER; The HOPKINS, DOTY, WINSLOW families shared a close association. [see Mayflower Families, HOPKINS, Book 6] and some mysteries still remaining, although the connections are clear: William PAYNE, b. about 1612 Stepney Parish, London, d. Virginia; he married and had son William, but little more is found about him. However, we do know that by 1632 a William PAYNE was building ship's for William CLAIBORNE'S Kent Island Fleet, including CLAIBORNE'S pinnace, LONG TAYLE, and the FIREFLY, whose Captain was Thomas COLE. The PAYNE'S of Virginia were very closely associated with CLAIBORNE, his kinsmen and followers. MATHEWS, THOMPSON, JAMES, BENNETT, TAYLOR, COLE, STONE, WEST, LAWSON, FLEETE- surnames very which intermarried with PAYNE'S were also kinsmen of CLAIBORNE, who with him, established themselves in Kent, Accomac, and on the Northern Neck in areas such as CHICACONE. All areas where PAYNE's are also found. In fact, CLAIBORNE and his associates made a bid to become the Proprietors of the entire Northern Neck of Virginia in association with the SOMERS ISLAND Company. This should be of particular interest to PAYNE researchers for there is much history to be learned from the networks involvement in BERMUDA (also known as the SOMERS ISLANDS. A name given the island by Sir Thomas GATES when he arrived there in 1609 with the wreck of the SEAVENTURE. Two of "his camp" were Henry PAINE and John ROLFE, later husband to Princess Pocahontas. Another associate of theirs, who nearly met the same fate (of execution) as Henry PAINE, was none other than later Pilgrim Stephen HOPKINS, who became the grandfather of Thomas PAINE of Eastham, Mass. with his marriage to Mary SNOW. Robert PAYNE (AKA DAVIES- see above) used the alias for several years. John ROLFE named a Robert DAVIES in his 1621 will. [see "Virginia Venturer"; "Records of the Virginia Company of London"; "Henry FLEET"; "Isle of Devils"; Records from Rappahannock County at the Tappahannock Courthouse] William PAYNE, who was a founder of the colony at St. John's, NEWFOUNDLAND. In 1626, Dr. William PAYNE is found in correspondance with Lady Katherine CONWAY, wife of Edward Lord CONWAY, Secretary of State for England, urging her to invest in the colony. Also in 1626, Dr. William PAYNE petitioned Lord CONWAY himself, regarding "several inventions" of his developed for use in the colonies. One of them being a means to "produce tobacco of the same quality as the Spanish variety" - a bit of history attributed to John ROLFE, whose servant was Robert DAVIES- the Alias used by Robert PAYNE of the Rappahannock County Vestry! [see "Coldest Harbour in the Land"; Memorial University of Newfoundland Archives; Records of Rappahannock County at Tappahannock Courthouse] William PAYNE, who in 1673 came to Dorchester County, Maryland as a head right to Mr. John LEE of Virginia. His grandson, Thomas PAYNE, moved from Dorchester County in about 1765 with the many of the descendants of Thomas PAINE of St. Mary's County, Maryland. After settling in Rowan County, North Carolina (a colony still largely under the Proprietorship of the CARTERET Family) for little more than 20 years, both families again removed together to Greenville District, South Carolina. Along the way, Anne PAYNE, daughter of Thomas, married Archibald MACMAHAN, a Revolutionary War soldier who also drove the wagon for Thomas from North Carolina. In the Revolutionary War Pension application of Aaron PAYNE, a descendant of Thomas PAINE of St. Mary's, Maryland, he stated, that he "knew Archibald MACMAHAN in North Carolina" and that his wife was his "Cousin." Thus establishing yet one more link between the PAYNE'S of Virginia and Maryland. Charles and Abraham PAYNE, of the Jersey PAYN family, who fled England to St. Kitt's Island in the Caribbean as a result of their involvement on the Royalist side of the English Civil War. They undoubtedly were a prominent family in the Caribbean from the time of their arrival and would have associated with the Merchants of the family network so invovled in those islands. One of their descendants, Lord LAVINGTON, was granted Arms that are identical with the Arms claimed by the PAYNE'S of Virginia- "two Lions passant argent." We must believe that there is some legitamacy to this claim, even if it turns out to be the right family, but the wrong coat-of-arms. This may be attributed to the fact that Ralph and Thomas PAYNE settled in Virginia near to John PAYNE of Rappahannock County. The name RALPH occurs within the Jersey branch of the family that removed to the Caribbean and no other. It was this branch of the family that had intermarried with and otherwise been so closely associated with the CARTERET'S of the island from at least the 13th century, where they are found in deeds together. Additionally, from those early days throughout this history, the following surnames of interest to the family network are found frequently in the records of both Jersey families: BOURCHIER, BAILEY, SARRE, HAMMOND, NICHOL, GARDINER, CABOT, LAURENS, LUCE, BERTRAM, BURDEN, LEMPRIERE, ALEXANDER, HAMPTONNE, DUMARESQ, MERRITT, MESSERVY, CARTIER, MALLET, MACHAN, SHAW Most of these names are found throughout the history of the network. The PAYN family is known to have had connections in the West County, particlarly in Devon and Cornwall. They can also be found in London and, significantly, in the neighboring villages where Sir Robert PAYNE of St. Neot's, Huntingdonshire and Tobias PAYNE of Kings Caple, Herefordshire held lands and conducted business. Guilles and Peter PAYN, for example, are found in living by the early 18th century at Tempsford and Blunham- just to the south of St. Neot's. More significantly, however, is the fact that a member of the CARTERET family, George CARTERET, was the boss and close friend of Samuel PEPYS, the Treasurer of the Navy, of Huntingdon. They worked for Edward MONTAGU and Sir Robert PAYNE of St. Neot's, as I have shown, was a "close friend and protege" of the MONTAGU'S and the CROMWELL'S- men well known to both CARTERET and PEPYS. [see "Samuel PEPYS diaries"; "An Armorial of Jersey"; "The King and the Gentleman"] These last mysteries are not coincidences- and we PAYNE reseachers should endeavor to discover the answers that still surrounds these events- by working together. For 400 years ANY kinship between the various PAYNE branches throughout colonial America have been denied by genealogists in their works- and those unfounded claims have been defended, often with great zeal, by others taking them at their word for it. With this research, I have shattered the myth that these families had no relationship. In nearly every case, the families that arrived in America prior to 1650, are found in business ventures and intermarrying within the same group of families. The trail doesn't even begin with the America in fact, but extends back to at least the beginning of the 15th century. Over a period spanning more than 300 years (1500-1700), I have shown how they remain associated. There is still much work to be done to establish the exact nature of many of these relationships however. That is the purpose of the PAYNE Family History Society. The purpose of the Domesday to America Society is to establish the network of families associated with them. Much of the remaining research, that will ultimately resolve the nature of these relationships, can only be obtained thorough and carefully executed search of the records held in England. I have done my best to complete as much of that research as my financial situation would allow but it is now exhausted. After two trips to England for this purpose, and numerous trips within the US, I regret to acknowledge that there is so much remaining to be done. But we have the foundation we need to continue the pursuit and I am confident that the remaining questions will be answered. I encourage the reader to actively support the continuation of this research by joining and contributing to the Society I have established for that purpose. The time for independent research is past. The expense is to great for any one researcher to accomplish and will best be achieved through the combined resources of the Society.

Hello Listers, It's been quite some time that I have been away from the list, but I have been very busy in my absence. I'm sending along some of the data I have managed to put together over that time as I have been pulling together all of my research in an attempt to put this all together. I have made particular effort to cite my sources and I trust they will be found acceptable as they are those used within the academic community. If there are questions regarding them, or if I have failed to address them somewhere, I will be happy to dig it up and provide it. The formatting of the coming documents may not be great, as they are coming off of my web site at <http://papayne.rootsweb.com/>http://papayne.rootsweb.com and therefore the links and other html formatting will not come through on an e-mail post to the list. Therefore, if you'd prefer better formatting, I invite you to the web site to view the pages there- where you will also find much more. There is a lot of reading in what follows, and I will send them in several installments, but those interested will undoubtedly come away with a new perception of the PAYNE'S in early America. There can be no disputing that these PAYNE families who had arrived prior to 1650 shared many common bonds in both America and much earlier, in England. The notion that there was "No relationship whatsoever" between them must now be re-evaluated and I hope those of you on the list who are descendants of these branches will join me in the remaining research. We are largely uncoordinated in our research efforts which makes this all  the more difficult. We can only accomplish so much working alone- and at great expense (just ask my accountant!) I know that for some out there, even the thought of there being a relation between different branches is a sore spot. I would like to point out, however,  that this conclusion was largely based on research from over 60 years ago (PAYNES of Virginia)- if not over 100 (PAINE Genealogy- Ipwsich Branch, PAINE Family Records, etc.). Records are much more accessible these days. So, before condemning me and refuting my research, I urge you to at least study it a little bit before throwing it out the window. Your BOUND to learn something new, whether you believe my overall thesis or not :-} Having said that, here is the first installment, with others coming behind it. Take your time. Read them as you find the time, and please offer your comments if you'd like. I hope that through some of my effort's here we can come to some new conclusions and add a wealth of new information to what has been previously known. Patrick The period between the introduction of the MAGNA CHARTA in 1215 through about 1400 is a gray area in many respects as far as this research is concerned. The research after this period is much better established. To be sure to my point, many of the intermarriage's between the families of the network in which I write are well known to historians and genealogists alike. However those intermarriages stand out due to the prominence of the families involved. HOWARD, STAFFORD, RICH, BOURCHIER, BERKELEY, MONTAGU, BEAUCHAMP, BOHUN, MOWBRAY and PERCY, are a few examples. They are known to us as Peers of England, and thus their genealogies have been preserved over the centuries [see the Herald's Visitations of England or the "Complete Peerage"] In the background, however, intermarriage's within these families (or on their immediate periphery- their chaplains, servants, etc.), not so notable were also occurring. For some examples, click here; or here. Researchers have established many of these and they, too, are well documented. But we've somehow managed to miss the opportunity of connecting those single efforts of researchers into something more meaningful to history. When an effort is made to connect the relationships between them and how they interacted together, however, a story emerges that is both fascinating and of great significance to the history we now know of England- and as we move into the 16th and 17th century, to America as well. This research has, by neccessity, has focused mainly on the 17th century activities presented by a network of "merchants, mariners and clergymen" as established by professionals in the field- historians who have recognized and respected names within the academic community. Such eminent historians as Bernard Bailyn, Robert Brenner, James P. Horn and David Hackett Fischer, (see the research bibliography) are among those few who have written about this network of families in the 17th century. Where history has failed in this regard, however, is to delve deeper into the origin's of this network of families to discover the inter-colony kinship's which spread, quite literally, from the Caribbean to Newfoundland, encompassing all of the colonies. This would seem of importance enough, yet there is a much richer history here than is now known, for this network was not a product of the 17th century colonization as historians have implied. It sprang from MUCH earlier times. As I do not have the recognition that the historians mentioned above enjoy, my task of establishing even the inter-colony kinships between the men in which they write about- the 17th century Merchant Networks of New England and Virginia primarily- is made difficult, if not impossible. Although I have received encouraging letters from some of those historians (and others) and have a steadily growing list of support from several hundred fellow genealogists, the research I present has not yet been reviewed by any academic organization. It has been a long wish of mine to get their support to confirm my research. My approach has been to use the works produced by those historians as the foundation for my research, knowing that those works are accepted historical accounts in which I could build upon. I then extracted the names from those historical accounts and have worked dilligently to delve into their genealogies to establish the inter-colony relationships of the network. It seemed a reasonable approach to me at the time. Bailyn writes of the New England Network; Horn and Fisher of the Virginia network; and Brenner (God-bless him) stands out among them all for giving us the only work I have found to date that makes any attempt to write about them both to any large degree. As a result, my thesis is largely in unchartered waters, receiving no support-from any academic organization- founded, ironically, for the purpose of advancing our knowledge of history. It has been, to this point, a labor of love on my part. My hope and desire is to produce something that will raise the curiousity of those professionals or at least bring it to the attention of others who will expand upon my efforts. The existence of the network in America is known. What I have attempted to do is simply connect them- bringing the colonies of New England and Virginia (among many others) together- that history has left divided with little or no mention of the significant inter-colony kinships that are evident in this research. It would be impossible to imagine that the English efforts of colonization in America would have succeeded at all without them. Many genealogists are already finding answers to questions that have eluded them for centuries as a result of my effort. What could therefore be accomplished with the support of academics? A better question still, what has been lost without it? The implications of even these inter-colony kinships are quite profound as history, as now taught to us, places an barrier between the Roanoke, Newfoundland, Virginia, New England, Maryland, Bermuda, Caribbean, and other early colonies. It leaves us believing that these ventures were undertaken by different groups of men for entirely separate reasons, having little or nothing to do with each other. When, in fact, underlying it all was a merchant network that Bernard Bailyn, in his 1955, "The New England Merchants in the Seventeenth Century," relates was, "after three generations, in effect, one large family"- that "family" extended well beyond the bounds of any one isolated colony and England. Their dependence on one another was much greater than history has given them credit for to date. No such work, to my knowledge, has properly addressed this fact. While I have concentrated on establishing those inter-colony relationships in an effort to garner support for the research, I have managed to trace some of them to much earlier origins in England. I'll relate some of what I have found here and hope you find it as interesting and significant as I do. For PAYNE researchers, you will find this of most interest because I tell the story following their history as best I know it at this point. Afterward, I will devote the remaining portion of my thesis to the 17th century merchant network of families. However, I am very eager to continue the research into the earlier origin of the network in England- which appears to date back, quite possibly, to the Norman Conquest of England in 1066 by William the Conqueror. In any event, as early as 1400 England, the network was thriving. Sir Thomas PAYNE "of Market Bosworth, Leicester" was probably born around the middle of the 15th century, ca. 1460. He must have been a man of some importance in Leicester as he and his family members appear from the outset to have had strong connections at Court. Sir Thomas married Margaret, daughter of Thomas PULTENEY and they were the ancestors of the later William PULTNEY, Earl of BATH and Viscount PULTENEY during the years 1742-1764. The connection of the family to the Lords BATH, BUCKINGHAM, MONTAGU, and other peers becomes evident shortly- and I believe these relationships are critical to understanding the network I have spoken of. Sir Thomas and Margaret (nee PULTENEY) PAYNE had a least three children: (in no particular order) William, Edmund and Robert. By the beginning of the 16th century, the family removed to county SUFFOLK, with the exception of son Robert who is not found in either the visitations of Leicester or of Suffolk. Family traditions maintain that this son Robert instead removed to county HUNTINGDONSHIRE where he settled and established a family. As you will soon see, this seems now to be a certainty. Of son William, little is known. It is assummed that he was born in Leicester. Of son Edmund, more is known. He was born about 1484 and is said to have been "of Market Bosworth" like his father. Edmund married about 1498 Elizabeth, born about 1488, daughter of Robert WALTON "of county Leicester." Edmund and Elizabeth (nee WALTON) PAYNE had son William born in Leicester before 1510. He, along with his father and mother, removed to Suffolk where he became Bailiff of Manor HENGRAVE to Edward STAFFORD, Duke of BUCKINGHAM, who was executed in 1521. Upon the execution of STAFFORD, William lost his position as bailiff. William married, Margery, daughter of Thomas ASH and together they had twelve children: George PAYNE, b. 1532 of Newton (or Manor Nowton) Suffolk. Nicholas PAYNE, b. 1534 who married Anne BOWLES "of Baldock, Hertz" and had issue. Edward PAYNE, b. Newton, Suffolk 1535 "of Manor of CLEES in Alphamston, ESSEX" who married and had issue. Anthony PAYNE, b. 1537 "of Bury St. Edmunds and Manor of Nowton, Suffolk", who married about 1564 Martha, CASTELL (or CASTLE) who died 28 June 1603. Anthony died 3 March 1606 and they had issue. Thomas PAYNE, b. 1539 "of Cookley, Suffolk," christened 25 Jan. 1539 Lavenham, Suffolk, died 14 Apr. 1631 "at 90/91 years" who married 20 July 1578 Katheren, d. 18 May 1620, daughter of Thomas HARASANT DE CRANSFORD and had issue. Henry PAYNE, b. 1540 "of Bury St. Edmunds and of York", d. 15 July 1568 and was buried at Manor NOWTON. Henry was appointed to the position formerly held by his father by Sir Thomas KYTSON, the successor of Edward STAFFORD. Henry was also the Attorney and "well beloved ffriend" of the Earl and Countess of BATH (BOURCHIER), who both left bequests to Henry in their wills. John PAYNE, b. 1542 Newton, Suffolk, d. before 14 June 1568; he married and had issue. Agatha PAYNE, b. 1542 Newton, Suffolk, married John PRATT Elizabeth PAYNE, b. 1545 Newton, Suffolk, married Oliver SPARROW Agnes PAYNE, b. 1546 Newton, Suffolk Anna PAYNE, b. 1548 Newton, Suffolk Frances PAYNE, b. 1550 Newton, Suffolk Below you will find more detailed information on these descendants of Sir Thomas PAYNE and his wife Margaret PULTENEY. But here needs to be inserted an item which I believe may provide some answers as to why the family decided to remove from Leicester to Suffolk. At about the time the family made their move from Leicester, there was an friar preaching at HADLEIGH, SUFFOLK by the name of Hugh PAYNE. Hugh would have been about the same age as Sir Thomas PAYNE'S children. The following information regarding Hugh PAYNE is extracted from Diarmaid MACCULLOCH'S, "Thomas CRANMER," Yale University Press, 1996- winner of the 1996 Whitbread Biography Award. MacCulloch begins his notes on Hugh at p. 112 of his book where he is describing men associated with Lord L' ISLE (Arthur PLANTAGENET, 6th Viscount LISLE, an illegitimate son of Edward IV, whose wife was Honor GRENVILLE) and "two former "Observant" friars, Bernardine or Roger COVERT and Thomas ROCHE. "COVERT had been among the Observants who had ministered to CATHERINE of ARAGON'S circle, and ROCHE had been on the edge of the Maid of Kent's coterie" in the year 1534. [Lisle Letters 2, p. 183; Neame, Maid of Kent, p. 280]. MacCulloch states, "Nevertheless, later in the decade, COVERT'S Essex gentry family and ex-friar ROCHE would come into CRANMER'S sights in collaboration with another notorious ex-Observant called Hugh PAYNE, and COVERT ended up in the 1540s not only chaplain to the increasingly conservative Bishop BONNER of London, but acused of sedition before the Privy Council. CRANMER'S deep suspicion of Observants eventually ripened into outright hatred, as the cases of PAYNE and friar John FOREST later revealed." Beginning on p. 143, the "preaching of the charismatic iconclast Thomas ROSE," is mentioned and continues with, "In 1536 trouble flared up again in HADLEIGH [Suffolk]; what is particularly intriguing is that the priest at the centre of the row was linked to earlier troubles in CALAIS. His name was Hugh PAYNE, and he was an ex-Observant friar, who had been in deep trouble as one of the Observant clique agitating for Catherine of Aragon's cause in 1533-4 [Elton, Policy and Police, p. 19n.]. We have, of course, already met two of these Observants, Bernardine COVERT and Thomas ROCHE, as preaching proteges of Lord LISLE in 1534. 'In my opinion he ought to give place to none of them in dissimulation, hypocrisy, flattery, and all other qualities of the wolfish Pharisees', CRANMER commented uncharitably on PAYNE when rounding up a report of the HADLEIGH business to [Thomas] CROMWELL [details unless otherwise stated are from this letter of 28 Jan. 1537, PRO, S.P. I/115 f. 89, Cox 2, pp. 333-4 (L.P. 12 i no. 256)]. As CURATE of HADLEIGH, PAYNE had preached to such obnoxious effect during 1536 that CRANMER had summoned him, together with his distinctly more reliable rector, Dr. William REVET, and had personally ordered PAYNE to silence. However, the ex-Observant persisted in preaching, not just in HADLEIGH but also in CRANMER'S peculiar parishes in LONDON. It is likely that there he enjoyed the patronage of the surviving members of the WARHAM set, clinging on to various of the benefices which the old Archbishop had given them. Such defiance could not be tolerated; it had wider implications for CRANMER'S authority than simply the right of instruction of the clothiers of HADLEIGH." "CRANMER gave CROMWELL one specimen of PAYNE'S objectionably 'erroneous' preaching, and the example is of the highest interest: PAYNE 'taught openly in the pulpit there, that one paternoster, said by the injunction of a priest, was worth a thousand paternosters said of a man's mere voluntary mind: by this you may soon savour what judgement this man is of, and how sincerely he would instruct the people.' [Cox, and hence many other commentators, has misread the common abbreviation for 'a thousand' as 'a million', a word in any case not common in Tudor England.]. Dr. Ashley NULL first noticed that (as CRANMER must have been perfectly aware) PAYNE was saying nothing shocking at all in conservative terms; he was merely quoting from a well known fourteenth-century textbook of pastoral care, Guido de MONTE ROCHERII'S MANIPULUS CURATORUM. Indeed, he was being much more moderate than Guido, who had made the ratio of lay and clerically ordered paternosters one hundred thousand to one. [I am very grateful to Dr. NULL for alerting me to his find. The reference is to the MANIPULUS, Tract 2, Pars 3 cap. 10; see also NULL Ph. D., 'Cranmer's Doctrine of Repentance', pp. 55, 96]. On this occasion PAYNE had clearly been preaching at HADLEIGH about penance and confession, which was the context of Guido's extravagant remark; by his contemptuous rejection of PAYNE'S message, CRANMER reveals to us that he had already by 1536 rejected medieval views of the value of auricular confession to a priest. PAYNE'S theology was certainly much more acceptable to another power in East Anglia of different outlook to the Archbishop, for from HADLEIGH the troublesome ex-friar escaped to a benefice at nearby STOKE by NAYLAND, a living in the gift of the DUKE of NORFOLK [HOWARD]. Yet CRANMER was not thwarted; in alliance with the evangelical Suffolk magnate Thomas Lord WENTWORTH, he hunted PAYNE down, having excommunicated him when he failed to turn up on a citation. CROMWELL in turn acted on the Archbishop's plea to punish the priest, and by 1537 PAYNE was sending pathetic pleas to the DUKE of NORFOLK from strict confinement in the MARSHALSEA Prison. [PRO, S.P. I/115 f. 91 (L.P. 12 i no. 257)]. He never left his prison; he died there two years later, as CRANMER noted with righteous relish in another letter to CROMWELL. That letter obliquely completes the circuit back to CALAIS and the LISLES. PAYNE had got himself another benefice, GREAT SUTTON in remote south-east ESSEX; the patron presenting him had been one George COVERT. Whatever COVERT'S exact relation to the ex-Observant Father Bernardine COVERT, there is no doubt about the remaining link to COVERT and ROCHE, those two CALAIS preachers of 1534: CRANMER, primed by an evangelical gentlewoman who had other plans for the SUTTON benefice, now feared lest PAYNE should be succeeded at SUTTON by 'one ROCHE, late Observant'. [PRO, S.P. I/143 ff. 30-31, Cox 2, p. 361 (redated to 1539 by L.P. 14 i no. 244)]. For more on the relationship's between Rev. Hugh PAYNE, The PAINE'S of Leicester/Suffolk, The PAYNE'S of St. Neot's, Huntingdonshire, and some interesting connections click this link regarding Sir PAYNE de ROET, Geoffrey CHAUCER, Peers & Royalty. Those with a good grasp of English Medieval History will recognize the importance of CALAIS and the connections many of the families mentioned here had there. I believe those early connections to France had a lot of significance to this research, for which, I am now attempting to better understand. Following the death of Hugh PAYNE, Robert PAYNE, b. 1601, married Ann, daughter of John WHITING "of HADLEIGH, Suffolk"- where our story about Hugh began. There is another association here in that there was a John WHITING, "Gentleman Usher of the King's Chamber," and a Master Richard PAYNE, "Queen's Almoner and Palfreyman" [found in the "Privy Purse Expenses of Elizabeth of York: Wardrobe Accounts of Edward IV"]. This Richard PAYNE may be the same as that (or of the same family) associated with the CULPEPER'S of Sussex, and a member of the Kent, England branch of the PAYNE Family. Robert and Ann PAYNE'S son, Robert, was the later Foreman of the Grand Jury at the Salem Witch Trials in 1692. He was a graduate of Harvard in 1652 and was obviously trained as a minister. Of note is that there was a quaker by the name of John WHITING whose Truth and Innocency Defended Against Falsehood and Envy (1702) includes a stinging attack on the 1692 witchcraft trials. There is also an interesting letter written to Judge CORWIN of the trials, signed "R.P.," with the name "Robert PAYNE" written under the initials. Some historians have ascribed this letter to one Robert PIKE, a military man, who although he had an interest in the trials, I believe there is very strong evidence that it was in fact, Robert PAYNE who authored that letter. I am now attempting to obtain examples of both men's signatures to put the question to rest. [see PAINE Family Record, vol. II for details on this letter.] Robert PAYNE (b. 1601) was the son of William PAYNE, chr. St. Mary's Church 2 Dec. 1565, buried 21 Nov. 1648. He puchased the Manor of NOWTON in Suffolk from his nephew, Anthony PAYNE. Robert's brother, William, b. Bury St. EDMUNDS 1598/9, died 10 Oct. 1660 Boston, Massachusetts, became the proprietor of the Iron Works on the Saugus River in the 1640s- America's first Technological Industry. Robert's sister, Dorothy PAYNE, d. 11 Aug. 1650 Boston, arrived at New England aboard the ship INCREASE, Robert LEA (LEE), Master. The PAYNE'S of Virginia had close associations with the LEE family there and Robert is thought to have been a member of that family. Dorothy married Dr. Simon EYRE (AYRE). Sister Phebe PAYNE, died 25 Sep. 1677 at age 87 in Watertown, Mass. She arrived in 1630 with Gov. WINTHROP whose son, John, Jr., initiated the Iron Works project at Saugus. He solicited support from several wealthy merchants, including Gov. BERKELEY of Virginia who also had close relations to the PAYNES of Virignia. BERKELEY, and other investors of the N.E. iron works also invested in an iron works in Virginia at MARTINS HUNDRED, whose proprietor was Capt. John MARTIN, who transported Stephen PAINE and his family to New England in 1638 aboard the ship DILLIGENT. MARTIN also had close associations with the PAYNES in Virginia. Daughter Phebe married John PAGE, Constable of Watertown in 1630.