Hi John I have been searching high and low for anything on my 5th Great Grand parents William Payne/Paine and Averrila Garnett This is what I have for a few generations. I see there were other Paine/Paynes in MO also Descendants of William Payne First Generation 1. William PAYNE was born about 1773 in Culpepper Co, VA. and died in TN. William married Averilla GARNET, daughter of Robert "Robin" GARNET and Lucy TOWLES, on 8 Jan 1793 in Orange, Co., VA. (Averilla GARNET was born about 1770 in Culpepper Co, VA. and died before 1845 in TN.) They had the following children: 2 F i. Lucy PAYNE was born in VA. 3 F ii. Maria PAYNE was born in VA. 4 M iii. William PAYNE was born in VA. 5 M iv. Franklin PAYNE was born in VA. 6 M v. Oliver PAYNE was born in VA. + 7 F vi. Frances PAYNE (Fannie) was born on 29 Nov 1793 in Culpepper Co, VA., died on 1 Oct 1845 in Lost Creek Washington Co. Missouri and was buried in Oct 1845 in Cresswell & Matthews Cem., Washington Co, Missouri Second Generation (Children) 7. Frances PAYNE (Fannie) (William1) was born on 29 Nov 1793 in Culpepper Co, VA., died on 1 Oct 1845 in Lost Creek Washington Co. Missouri and was buried in Oct 1845 in Cresswell & Matthews Cem., Washington Co, Missouri. Frances married Ambrose POWELL on 14 Aug 1810 in Culpepper Co, VA.(Ambrose POWELL was born on 25 Dec 1785 in VA, died on 15 Oct 1843 in Lost Creek Washington Co. Missouri and was buried 0ct 1843 in Cresswell & Matthew Cem., Washington Co, Missouri.) They had the following children: 8 F i. Margaret POWELL . 9 F ii. Angeline POWELL . 10 F iii. Laura Amanda POWELL . + 11 F iv. Mary F. POWELL was born in 1812 in VA + 12 F v. Ann H. POWELL was born in 1814 in Culpepper Co, VA., died in 1877 in White River, Tulare Co. CA. and was buried in 1877 in Oak Grove Cem, Kern Co, CA + 13 F vi. Sarah B. POWELL was born in 1815 in Culpepper Co, VA., died on 14 Dec 1899 in Lost Creek Washington Co. Missouri and was buried in Dec 1899 in Cresswell & Matthews Cem., Washington Co, Missouri + 14 F vii. Ava Verlotte POWELL was born in 1818 in KY., died in 1900 in Union, Franklin Co., Missouri and was buried in 1900 in Union Cem., Franklin Co., Missouri + 15 F viii. Maria L POWELL was born in 1826, died on 23 Sep 1845 in Lost Creek Washington Co. Missouri and was buried in Sep 1845 in Cresswell & Matthew Cem., Washington Co, Missouri + 16 F ix. Lucy G. POWELL was born on 20 Feb 1833 in Washhington Co. Missouri, died on 23 Sep 1844 in Lost Creek Washington Co. Missouri and was buried in Sep 1844 in Cresswell & Matthew Cem., Washington Co, Missouri Third Generation (Grandchildren) 11. Mary F. POWELL (Frances PAYNE (Fannie)7, William1) was born in 1812 in VA. Mary married Samuel Philpot STONE. (Samuel Philpot STONE was born about 1813 and died on 1 Oct 1845.) 12. Ann H. POWELL (Frances PAYNE (Fannie)7, William1) was born in 1814 in Culpepper Co, VA., died in 1877 in White River, Tulare Co. CA. and was buried in 1877 in Oak Grove Cem, Kern Co, CA. Ann married James G. TUCKER, son of Benjamin TUCKER and Jane GIVENS, on 16 Aug 1831 in Washhington Co. Missouri. (James G. TUCKER was born in 1818 in Fleming KY and died about 1846 in Franklin Co. Missouri.) They had the following children: 17 F i. Ada C. TUCKER was born in 1839 in Missouri. + 18 M ii. Ambrose Powell TUCKER was born in 1840 in Missouri, died on 14 Apr 1914 in Long Tom, Kern Co, CA and was buried on 16 Apr 1914 in Oak Grove Cem, Kern Co, CA + 19 F iii. Cornelia A. TUCKER was born on 17 Feb 1842 in Boonville, Cooper Co. MO, died on 23 Apr 1914 in James Station (Near Walker Pass) Kern County CA. and was buried in Old Kernville Cemetary 20 F iv. Sarah E. TUCKER was born in 1843 in Missouri, died in 1897 and was buried in 1897 in Oak Grove Cem, Kern Co, CA. + 21 F v. Margaret Isabella TUCKER was born in 1844 in Missouri, died on 4 Nov 1905 in Kern Co. CA and was buried in Nov 1905 in Oak Grove Cem, Kern Co, CA + 22 M vi. Hamilton James TUCKER was born in 1845 in Missouri, died in 1878 in Long Tom, Tulare Co, CA and was buried in 1878 in Oak Grove Cem, Kern Co, CA + 23 F vii. Frances Jane TUCKER was born on 30 Apr in Washhington Co. Missouri, died on 16 Mar 1906 in Rio Vista, Solano Co, CA and was buried on 18 Mar 1906 in Rio Vista, Solano Co, CA Ann also married Parnell __________ in Married In Missouri. Research: Showed up with Ann in Tulare Co. 1860 Census 13. Sarah B. POWELL (Frances PAYNE (Fannie)7, William1) was born in 1815 in Culpepper Co, VA., died on 14 Dec 1899 in Lost Creek Washington Co. Missouri and was buried in Dec 1899 in Cresswell & Matthews Cem., Washington Co, Missouri. Sarah married Elijah B. MATHEWS. 14. Ava Verlotte POWELL (Frances PAYNE (Fannie)7, William1) was born in 1818 in KY., died in 1900 in Union, Franklin Co., Missouri and was buried in 1900 in Union Cem., Franklin Co., Missouri. Ava married Chelsey B. INGA on 30 Apr 1835 in Washhington Co. Missouri. 15. Maria L POWELL (Frances PAYNE (Fannie)7, William1) was born in 1826, died on 23 Sep 1845 in Lost Creek Washington Co. Missouri and was buried in Sep 1845 in Cresswell & Matthew Cem., Washington Co, Missouri. Maria married Nighten B. WALL before 1845. 16. Lucy G. POWELL (Frances PAYNE (Fannie)7, William1) was born on 20 Feb 1833 in Washhington Co. Missouri, died on 23 Sep 1844 in Lost Creek Washington Co. Missouri and was buried in Sep 1844 in Cresswell & Matthew Cem., Washington Co, Missouri. Lucy married Robert SPILMAN. ----- Original Message ----- From: <PAYNE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <PAYNE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 9:27 AM Subject: PAYNE-D Digest V00 #57 Folks: I hope someone is working on my set of Paines/Paynes. John Paine, mentioned below, was the son of the Barnett Paine of King and Queen County, Virginia. Anyone who could tie Barnett in with some of the other early Paynes in Virgina would be appreciated. John Payne johnthepayne@yahoo.com JOHN PAINE, B. ca 1705 in King and Queen Co., VA, D. 1770 in Spotsylvania Co., VA. He was the son of Barnett and Elizabeth ________ Paine. Md. Frances Coleman. I. JOHN PAINE, JR., B. ca 1735 in Spotsylvania Co., VA, D. 1772 in Spotsylvania Co., VA. Md. Mary Long, daughter of Bloomfield Long. A. JOHN PAINE, B. ca 1758 in Spotsylvania Co., D. 29 December 1836 in Spotsylvania Co. Md. Virginia Ann Burrus, B. ca 1759 in VA on 19 November 1785 in Spotsylvania Co. II. THOMAS PAINE, B. ca 1739 in Spotsylvania Co., VA. D. 1815 in Orange Co., VA. Md. Elizabeth __________. Sold his interest in his father's estate in Spotsylvania Co. 18 November 1773. A. THOMAS PAINE, B. ca 1763 in Spotsylvania Co., D. 1853 in Madison Co., NC. Md. Jane __________, B. ca 1767, D. 1842 in Buncombe Co., NC. B. NANCY PAINE B. in Spotsylvania Co. Md. Charles Douglas on 25 April 1790 in Orange Co. C. WILLIAM PAINE, B. in Spotsylvania Co. Md. Averilla Garnett on 8 January 1793 in Orange Co., VA.

att :Fred Hawkins Dear Fred , your remarks are noted with thanks . As I am new to this ,all help is welcome.One small point I am only 41this year so I still have a lot to learn have a good 77th!!! Ian Paine

In a message dated 4/3/00 3:18:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, johnthepayne@yahoo.com writes: << IV. ROBERT PAINE, B. ca 1745 in Spotsylvania Co., VA., D. 1805 in Burke Co., NC. Md. Rachel Lord, B. ca 1750 in VA, D. ca 1809 in Burke Co. Sold his interest in his father's estate in Spotsylvania Co. on 16 April 1783. >> I've been told (with no documentation given) that this Robert PAINE may be related to my Joseph PAYNE (b. 1803, NC) who was found on the 1850 Buncombe Co, NC Census. Have you any information about such a connection? If you know of the connection, do you have any sources for the information? Joseph is a massive brick wall for me, so any help will be greatly appreciated. Sally TWEED BAUGHN cbaughn@aol.com

Folks: I hope someone is working on my set of Paines/Paynes. John Paine, mentioned below, was the son of the Barnett Paine of King and Queen County, Virginia. Anyone who could tie Barnett in with some of the other early Paynes in Virgina would be appreciated. John Payne johnthepayne@yahoo.com JOHN PAINE, B. ca 1705 in King and Queen Co., VA, D. 1770 in Spotsylvania Co., VA. He was the son of Barnett and Elizabeth ________ Paine. Md. Frances Coleman. I. JOHN PAINE, JR., B. ca 1735 in Spotsylvania Co., VA, D. 1772 in Spotsylvania Co., VA. Md. Mary Long, daughter of Bloomfield Long. A. JOHN PAINE, B. ca 1758 in Spotsylvania Co., D. 29 December 1836 in Spotsylvania Co. Md. Virginia Ann Burrus, B. ca 1759 in VA on 19 November 1785 in Spotsylvania Co. II. THOMAS PAINE, B. ca 1739 in Spotsylvania Co., VA. D. 1815 in Orange Co., VA. Md. Elizabeth __________. Sold his interest in his father's estate in Spotsylvania Co. 18 November 1773. A. THOMAS PAINE, B. ca 1763 in Spotsylvania Co., D. 1853 in Madison Co., NC. Md. Jane __________, B. ca 1767, D. 1842 in Buncombe Co., NC. B. NANCY PAINE B. in Spotsylvania Co. Md. Charles Douglas on 25 April 1790 in Orange Co. C. WILLIAM PAINE, B. in Spotsylvania Co. Md. Averilla Garnett on 8 January 1793 in Orange Co., VA. D. JAMES PAINE. E. MILLY PAINE Md. John Stevenson on 23 December 1793 in Orange Co. F. MARY (MOLLY) PAINE Md. Roger Mallory on 16 May 1797 in Orange Co. G. JUDITH PAINE Md. Elijah Mallory on 4 April 1804 in Orange Co. H. JOHN PAINE Md. (1) Susannah "Suckey" Lindsay on 16 August 1793 in Orange Co.; (2) Elizabeth Mallory on 8 January 1805 in Orange Co. I. ROBERT PAINE Md. Ann Collins on 24 July 1809 in Orange Co. J. JESSE PAINE K. BETSY PAINE Md. Jonathan Leathers on 23 September 1807 in Orange Co. L. FRANCES PAINE Md. John Bradburn. III. GEORGE PAINE, B. ca 1742 in Spotsylvania Co., VA, D. 1819 in Wayne Co., OH. Md. Elizabeth "Lizzie" _________. Left Spotsylvania County by 9 December 1783. A. FRANCES PAINE Md. Lawrence Winkler B. WILLIAM PAINE, B.. ca 1770-1775 in Spotsylvania Co., VA. C. JOHN PAINE, B. 24 November 1782 in Spotsylvania Co., VA. Lived in Lawrence Co., IN. Md. Rebecca Ford, B. ca 1800 in North Carolina. D. JUDITH PAINE Md. Richard Embree on 17 January 1785 in Orange Co. IV. ROBERT PAINE, B. ca 1745 in Spotsylvania Co., VA., D. 1805 in Burke Co., NC. Md. Rachel Lord, B. ca 1750 in VA, D. ca 1809 in Burke Co. Sold his interest in his father's estate in Spotsylvania Co. on 16 April 1783. A. DANIEL PAYNE, B. ca 1769 in Spotsylvania Co., VA, D. 1839 in Maury Co., TN. Md. Nancy Paine, B. ca 1774 in VA, D. after 1860 in Maury Co. B. CATHERINE PAINE, B. 16 September 1771 in Spotsylvania Co., D. ca 1834 in Burke Co., NC. Md. Samuel Austin, B. 29 August 1768 in MD, D. 1854 in Greene Co., MO. C. FRANCIS PAINE, B. ca 1774 in Spotsylvania Co., D. 1840-1850 in Burke/Alexander Co., NC. Md. William Fox, B. ca 1769 in NC, D. after 1850 in Alexander Co., NC. D. MARY PAINE, B. ca 1778 in Spotsylvania Co., D. 1844 in Buncombe Co., NC. E. KATIE PAINE, B. ca 1780 in Spotsylvania Co., D. after 1840 in Burke Co. Md. Moses Teague, B. ca 1771 in Wilkes Co., NC, D. ca 1845 in Alexander Co., NC. F. TEMPERANCE PAYNE, B. ca 1782 in Spotsylvania Co. Md. Elijah Austin, B. 15 February 1774 in Orange Co., NC, D. ca 1842/43 in Burke Co. on 8 August 1809 in Burke Co. G. RACHEL PAYNE, B. ca 1784 in Culpeper Co., VA, D. after 1860 in Madison Co., NC. Md. James Payne, B. ca 1784 in NC, D. after 1870 in Madison Co. H. ELIZABETH PAYNE, B. 2 March 1786 in Culpeper Co., VA, D. 29 April 1828 in Buncombe Co. Md. Edward Teague, B. 17 October 1782 in NC, D. 23 February 1832 in Buncombe Co. I. JOHN PAINE, B. 11 February 1789 in Culpeper Co., D. 28 March 1866 in Buncombe Co. Md. Mary Bradburn, B. 6 August 1796 in Burke Co., D. 22 August 1872 in Buncombe Co. on 12 April 1810 in Burke Co. J. ROBERT PAYNE, B. 20 September 1791 in Burke Co., D. 12 April 1859 in Marion Co., TN. Md. (1) Mary Baker, B. ca 1791 in Burke Co, D. ca June 1870 in Alexander Co., NC on 20 July 1809 in Burke Co.; (2) Nancy McMahan, B. 10 August 1803 in GA, D. 1 March 1872 in Marion Co. V. WILLIAM PAYNE, B. ca 1750 in Spotsylvania Co., VA, D. 1807 in Burke Co., NC. Md. Catherine Arnold, D. 1816 in Burke Co. They sold their interest in his father's estate in Spotsylvania Co. on 20 November 1777. A. THOMAS PAINE, B. 27 December 1774 in Spotsylvania Co., D. 4 October 1838 in Limestone Co., AL. Md. Susannah B. Cobb on 19 June 1800. B. ABNER PAINE, B. 3 March 1777 in Spotsylvania Co., D. 24 August 1845 in Caldwell Co., NC. Md. Catherine Sherrill, B. 6 April 1786 in Lincoln Co., NC, D. 12 May 1867 in Caldwell Co., NC on 1 January 1801 in Burke Co. C. SARAH PAINE, B. 12 September 1782 in Spotsylvania Co., D. 31 May 1855 in Giles Co., TN. Md. Meshach Boyce, B. 22 February 1781 in NC, D. 1849 in Giles Co., TN. D. LYDIA CATHERINE PAINE, B. 16 August 1787 in Burke Co., D. 6 March 1872 in Giles Co., TN. Md. Rev. Elam Stevenson, B. 24 September 1787 in Rowan Co., NC, D. 13 March 1875 in Giles Co. E. CATHERINE PAINE, B. 15 January 1790 in Burke Co., D. 30 January 1878 in Crockett Co., TN. Md. Rev. Coleman Harwell, B. 3 July 1789, D. 8 January 1841 in Giles Co. on 29 June 1811. VI. BARNETT PAINE, B. ca 1757 in Spotysylvania Co., VA, D. 1816 in Burke Co., NC. Md. Nancy _________. They sold their interest in his father's estate in Spotsylvania Co. on 9 December 1783. A. ELIZABETH "BETSY" PAYNE, B. ca 1780 in Spotsylvania Co., D. 1813 in Warren Co., TN. Md. Alexander Sherrill, D. 1 June 1862 in Schuyler Co., IL on 20 September 1798 in Burke Co. B. JOHN PAYNE, B. ca 1782 in Spotsylvania Co., D. 1 April 1826 in Garrard Co., KY. Md. Sarah _____________ C. LEWIS PAYNE, B. ca 1784 in North Carolina, D. 1834 in Burke Co., NC. D. LUCINDA "LUCY" PAYNE, B. 25 September 1785 in NC, D. 26 October 1854 in Giles Co., TN. Md. John Johnson on 15 January 1805 in Burke Co. E. WILLIAM "BILLY" PAYNE, B. ca 1787 in Burke Co. F. AQUILLA PAYNE, B. 2 November 1790 in Burke Co., D. 6 February 1852 in Caldwell Co., NC. Md. Mary West, B. 18 June 1791 in NC, D. 24 November 1856 in Caldwell Co., NC. G. MARY PAYNE, B. ca 1792 in Burke Co., D. ca 1840 in Burke Co. Md. William Reed Jr., B. ca 1772, D. after 18 June 1846 in Caldwell Co., NC. H. HENRY PAYNE, B. 1794 in Burke Co., D. ca 1854 in Burke Co. Md. (1) Margaret Oxford B. December 1812 in Burke Co.; (2) Elizabeth Barnes, B. ca 1802, D. before 1854 on 15 October 1833. I. NANCY PAYNE, B. ca 1798 in Burke Co. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

re my last e-mail paine's of london i just got some info from my mum my grandfather died in the early part of 1957 jan or feb this was just before mum & dad got married on 13th july maybe this will help

This is in reply to Tammy who asked whether there is anyone with a connection to Newfoundland Paynes. I'm replying to the list in case this may be of interest to others. I have traced my maternal line back to John Payne and Sarah Cross Singleton who married in 1809 and who lived and raised their family in Rocky Harbour on the Northern Peninsula in Newfoundland. They were both natives of England, but I haven't traced them back there. I believe John Payne's grave stone says that he was a native of Jersey. Also, I believe that the original spelling of the name was Paine -- later changed to Payne. I don't know whether he would have had any connection to Paynes in Quirpon, Newfoundland. A story says that he deserted from a Man o' War, and that's how he ended up in Newfoundland. There is an interesting story about John Payne and Sarah Cross Singleton and how they came to be married in St. John's, Nfld., which was a long distance from Rocky Harbour in those days. The story is related on this Newfoundland genealogical website: http://www.huronweb.com/genweb/nf.htm Click on: Regions: Northern Pen(insula): St. Barbe South District: Oral History: Cow Head. One of the regional co-ordinators of this site is Alexander (Sandy) Payne. Another excellent site for Newfoundland genealogical research is: http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Heritage/NGB/ Hope this is of some assistance to any who may have Pain/Paine/Payne relatives who went to or came from Newfoundland. You can contact me privately at lchat@home.com if I can help. Best to all. Leona Chatwood

I am looking for any info regarding Henry PAYNE born about 1760 married Rachel Thompson 12-17-1795 in Orange county NC, Henry died 5-28-1837. They had 8 known children: Mary Elizabeth about 1796 James about 1797 Joseph 1798 John between 1795-1800 Elizabeth about 1809 Jenny between 1800-1810 Andrew 1813 Abigail 1820 Through records of the childrens birth he appears to have remained in NC till about 1809.At that time all the rest of the children were born in TN. His wife Rachel Thompson was born in 1776 and died 5-5-1859. She was the daughter of James Thompson and Rachel Baldwin. Any help would be very very appreciated. Debra Carter tara37@comsys.net

after the death of my father Alfred James Paine in oct last year i now wish to find out more about my family's roots only info i have is as follow i was born in london hackney 7/6/59 to alfred james paine &katherine v paine(merle) we lived in shordich where my father's parent also lived they were cyril alfred paine & maryellen paine(harty) i know my grandfather was a master carpinter and some of his work can still be seen on a house which is across the road from the entrence to whitechaple church ,he was laid to rest in highgate cemertry that all !! can anybody tell me more?? thanks Ian

Hi I'm sorry I can't help you at this time. I don't know where in England my Payne's come from yet. I'll give you what I have and if they tie in with yours somewhere down the road just e-mail me and I'll give you the rest of the Canadian line that I have. 1861 Census for Cayuga Twp., Ontario, Canada Edwin Payne born England Labourer Age 34 Mary Payne born England Wife Age 33 William Payne born England Son Age 10 James Payne born England Son Age 9 Edward Payne born England Son Age 7 Cecelia Payne

Hello, In a book about the emigration from Flanders during the 16th century "Bannelingen en Vluchtelingen uit Ronse" J.H. Bekouw, Amsterdam 1941, You can find a lot off different Payne, Pain, Paine, Payeth, Pein,... . My special interest goes on page 153 off this book. "Lucas Payne, lynnenwever, father in lawe to the said Mighell (Griffen), Annijs, his daughter, Roger & Lucas his sonnes borne all in Rostar in Flaunders, they pay the said Mighell no rent, because he is his wife's father; they go to the Dutch Church. ..." This Lucas Payne has to be VANPEENE. He's born in Roeselare (Belgium) and died in London 1587. By the way, Ronse isn't the same for Rostar. Rostar must be Roslar (=Roeselare). This Lucas VANPEENE had a lot off children in the area off London. Some off them had the name Payne, Pain, Peene and Peen. None off them were called as VAN PEENE. Maybe someone off the Payne-list has this Lucas Payne as his ancestor. Please, let me know if you are in this case. The index off the said book gives the following names: PAIJNE, PAIJN, PAIN, PAIJEN, PAYER, PAIJNS, PAYETH. Anna- Anna Margaretha- Annijs- Arthur- Barbara- Carolus- Charles- Cäcilia (born Schnelle)- Collaert- Daniël- David- Gillis- Gorijs- Gosson- Hermes- Jacob- Jan- Johannes- John- Joris- Lodewijck- Louis- Lucas- Maicken- Marrijken- Paulus- Petrus- Peter- Pieter- Roger- Sara- Thomas. PEENE, PENEN, PEIJNE, PEIN, PIJN(E), PIJNS, PIENE, (van): Agnes- Anna- Catharina- Cornelis- Goffreij- Jakemijne- Jacob- Jan- Johan- Johanna- Joosken- Joris- Lucas- Nicholas- Peter- Rogier- Williken. If someone wants some information off this names you can ask it to me. You can find more information about the history off the family on my site http://come.to/peene Belgium greetings. --- Werner Peene Tempelierstraat 15 B-8470 GISTEL http://come.to/peene

2nd Letter from CRANMER to CROMWELL, after the death of Hugh PAYNE at Marshalsea Prison, dated 5 Feb. 1538 CCXV. To CROMWELL: My very singular good lord, in my most hearty wise I commend me to your lordship. And whereas the benefice of SUTTON MAGNA, within the county of ESSEX, of the patronage of Margaret WYATE, widow, and George COVERTE, alternis vicibus, being void this last year, came in controversy of the law, which of them should present the incumbent, so that either of them presented one to the said benefice; the said Margaret WYATE presenting Sir John GYLDERDE of RAYLEY, in the county of ESSEX, a man, as I am credibly informed, both for his literature, good judgment, and honest conversation, worthy of commendation and preferment; and the said George COVERTE presenting one Sir Hugh PAYNE, late observant, whom I knew neither to be of good learning nor judgment, but a seditious person, and I suppose your lordship knew the same: of the which two persons so presented, the bishop of London [STOKESLEY], notwithstanding that the matter was then in controversy, and not favouring so much the learning and judgment of the said Sir John of RAYLEY as he did Sir Heugh PAYNE'S, gave the institution unto the said Sir Heugh PAYNE, leaving the patroness in suit at the common law for the same; which said suit hath ever since continued, until now that at this time the said Sir Heugh PAYNE, being in the Marshalsea for his demerits, is departed: and now, forasmuch as the said Margery WYATE, pretending the maintenance not only of her just title unto the said benefice, but also the discharging of her conscience in the same, hath once again presented the said Sir John of RAYLEY, being very loth that the benefice should be bestowed upon such as afore time have been drowned in superstitious religion, as partly she feareth that one ROCHE, late observant, will promote himself thereunto as much as in him lieth: these shall be therefore to beseech your lordship, in consideration of her godly mind in this behalf, and to the intent that the said bishop of London may with better will accept the said Sir John of RAYLEY, to direct your letters in his favour unto the said bishop of London, requiring him to induct the said Sir John without further interruption; forasmuch as the said COVERTE can claim no more at the most, but to present once against the said Mistress WYATE twice; and therefore it seemeth to me, that he can have no colour of interest in the said benefice at this time, Sir Heugh PAYNE dying in possession, who was by him last presented. And in thus doing your lordship shall do for the advancement of God's word, which I think is but easily set forward in ESSEX. Thus, my lord, right heartily fare you well. At Ford, the viith day of February, [1538.] Your own assured ever, T. CANTUARIEN. To the right honourable and my singular good lord, my lord privy seal.

Hi, I noticed that everyone here seems to be searching in the US. Is anyone out there connected to the Paynes in Newfoundland, specifically in the Fogo/Twillingate area. The farthest I can go back is March 1870 or 1871 to William J. Payne, he married Harriet Ann Guy born in Quirpon, Newfoundland. Her father was John Guy. I would love to hear from anyone connected to these people. Thank you Tammy

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I have a Aunt who was Willa PAYNE middle name made her Mae PAYNE.. Met a Minor BURNS fron Longview Tex.

In a message dated 3/30/00 4:10:29 PM Central Standard Time, hazel@premier.net writes: << Their last name (I don't think it go over on the internet ), but yes it was F __ __ k. >> Well, if you say so. I know of some people whose name is Fuchs...that is for real. You know how it is with old faded print... Jno

Hello again, I received an inter-library loan I'd been waiting on today which includes a transcript of the letter that Thomas CRANMER, Archbishop of Canterbury, wrote to Sir Thomas CROMWELL in 1537 regarding Sir Hugh PAYNE, the ex-Observant friar of Hadleigh, Suffolk (the home of Ann, daughter of John WHITING, who married William PAYNE in 1601 and of the CASTELL family, of which Martha CASTELL married Anthony PAYNE abt. 1564). I previously posted a fairly detailed account about Hugh to the list. If you missed it, or just need a refresher, it is located at <http://www.payn.org/pfhs-intro.shtml>http://www.payn.org/pfhs-intro.shtml I'm including the text of the letter below along with some of the questions it raised for me. If you'd rather have the html formatting, it is located at <http://www.payn.org/hugh-payne.shtml>http://www.payn.org/hugh-payne.shtml Letter from Thomas CRANMER, Archbishop of Canterbury, to Sir Thomas CROMWELL regarding Hugh PAYNE, Curate of Hadleigh, Suffolk, 28 January 1537 (the following letter transcribed from "The Works of Thomas Cranmer- Miscellaneous Writings and Letters of Thomas Cranmer," edited for the Parker Society by the Rev. John Edmund Cox, M.A., F.S.A., of All Souls' College, Oxford, Curate and Lecturer of Stepney, vol. II, Cambridge: printed at The University Press) CLXXXIII. To CRUMWELL (CROMWELL) My very singular good lord, in my most hearty manner I commend me unto your lordship. And whereas I received a letter from you, wherein you will me to send Sir Hugh PAYNE unto you after his appearance, whom ye are informed that I acited to appear before me; your lordship shall understand, that the said Sir Hugh PAYNE was curate of Hadleigh in the county of Suffolk, of my particular jurisdiction, and for his erroneous and seditious preaching there he was detected to me: upon which detection I sent for him; and in the mean space, while he stood in examination, I commanded him, before doctor REVET, parson of Hadley, that he should not preach within my diocese or peculiars; which by my commandment he disobediently contemning, did both preach at Hadley and also at London in my peculiars there. And in his examination had before me concerning those things wherein he was detected, he was proved openly perjured. And that he there erroneously preached, a taste of his teaching your lordship shall perceive. He taught openly in the pulpit there, that one paternoster, said by the injunction of a priest, was worth a million paternosters said of a man's mere voluntary mind: by this you may soon savour what judgement this man is of, and how sincerely he would instruct the people. At the last he, seeing these things proved against him, submitted himself to my correction. And whereas I might by justice have pronounced him perjured, and farther have proceeded against him for his erroneous preaching, I enjoined to him but certain pennance. and not so much as he deserved; which he did receive, and swear by the holy evangelists to accomplish the same. And therein again he was forsworn and did it not, but fled into the said county of Suffolk again, and became a parish priest and a preacher at Stoke Nayland, where he is (as I am informed) as well liked as he was at Hadley. I hearing that he was there, caused him to be cited to appear before me; which thing he did not: whereupon I did excommunicate him, and so now for his contumacy he standeth excommunicate. And if he come unto me, I will send him to your lordship; but in the mean space these my letters are to desire your lordship that you will put with me your helping hand to see him punished: for although many of the observants were wolves in sheep's skins, yet in my opinion he ought to give place to none of them in dissimulation, hypocrisy, flattery, and all other qualities of the wolfish Pharisees. Furthermore I send unto your lordship herewithal a letter directed to me by a monk of Christ's church in Canterbury, named Dan John WALKEHAM, concerning certain directions. Upon which letter this day I have examined Dan Stephen GYLES and Dan John STONE, monks; and I have sent for Dan Thomas BECKET to examine him to-morrow. And as for John STONE, I have committed him to ward: beseeching your lordship that I may know with expedition the king's grace's pleasure concerning the ordering of these persons. Over this I have received letters directed both unto your lordship and to me from Turney of CALICE (CALAIS); and because your letters concern divers matters, I have sent you mine also, thinking it good that your lordship know the contents thereof. Thus, my lord, right heartily fare you well. At Ford, the 28th day of January [1537.] Your own ever assured, T. CANTURIEN. (To the right honourable and my singular good lord, my lord privy seal. ) references are then given regarding the preaching of Observants: Vid. letters CXVIII. CXLIII. CLXXIX., pp. 291, 303, 330 Questions: Why would CROMWELL have written to CRANMER asking him about Sir Hugh PAYNE and that he be sent to him? Why would CRANMER return such a detailed reply to CROMWELL on his reasons for examining Sir Hugh PAYNE? Why would CRANMER require CROMWELL'S hand to punish Sir Hugh PAYNE? After all, CRANMER was the Archbishop of Canterbury and Sir Hugh fell within his jurisdiction! CROMWELL was a politician, not an ecclesiastic... Who was John STONE and what was his relationship to the family of Samuel STONE that lived in Sisted, Essex, near to both Hadleigh, Suffolk and to "Stoke Nayland" (now called Stoke-by-Nayland) where Hugh preached? Or the family of STONE'S involved with the PAYNE'S in BOTH New England and Virginia/Maryland? Both of these villages (Hadleigh and Stoke Nayland) are on the border of Suffolk and Essex and near the homes of the WINTHROP'S "of Groton" (who initiated the Iron Works at Saugus), Edward PAYNE "of Alphamstone", Henry PAYNE and Ann ALSTON "of Boxford," and the GATES family "of Kentwell Hall." Recall that a Henry PAYNE accomanied Sir Thomas GATES as a member of his camp (along with John ROLFE and Stephen HOPKINS) aboard the "SEA VENTURE" in 1609. Thoughts:In 1564, 27 years after this letter was written, William STEWARD married Catherine, daughter of Thomas PAYNE, Esq., and his wife Margaret "of Castle Acre, Norfolk". The daughter of William STEWARD and Catherine PAYNE, Elizabeth STEWARD, married Robert CROMWELL (AKA WILLIAMS), Esq., and they were the parents of the Lord Protector, Oliver CROMWELL (whose protege and replacement in Parliament in 1625 was Sir Robert PAYNE). Robert CROMWELL was the son of Sir Henry CROMWELL, the grandson of Sir Thomas CROMWELL above. Henry's father (Robert's grandfather), Gregory CROMWELL, died and was buried in Leicestershire, as was his wife, Elizabeth SEYMOUR, daughter of John SEYMOUR and Margery (or Margaret) WENTWORTH. Leicestershire was the home of Sir Thomas PAYNE up until the family removed to Suffolk (near Hadleigh where Hugh preached) prior to 1521. Additionally, Oliver CROMWELL received an inheritance of land in Ely, very near to St. Neot's (the home of Sir Robert PAYNE) from his maternal uncle, Sir Thomas STEWARD "of Huntingdonshire." for additional information on Sir Hugh PAYNE, see my page at http://www.payn.org/pfhs-intro.shtml or read Diarmaid McCulloch's, "Thomas CRANMER." For more on the PAYNE-CROMWELL connections, see the page at http://www.payn.org/catherine-paynesteward.shtml

My birth name is Janet Horton, but many years ago, I hyphenated it to Horton-Payne to include my mother's Payne side of the family. It didn't take long for a friend of mine to start introducing me as his dear friend, Janet Hurtin' Pain, and thus it has remained in the minds and hearts of many.

My son's name is Bryant Payne Anderson and of course his older sisters called him Bryant P*A*I*N* in the assmenoquestions. He is 14 now and enjoys being a pest to almost all at all times.. Haha ...I guess I named him honestly.. Kay

> RE: > WHAT ! No Ima Paine in the whole bunch??? > > diane No, but I did just find another one. Iva.

I just had to jump in here with my two unusual names. Some of you might think I made thest up but they were (are) really. My husband was going to school for 6 months in 1964 at the Naval base in the Great Lakes. One day our five year old son came home telling me about the people who just moved in across the street. Their last name (I don't think it go over on the internet ), but yes it was F __ __ k. I told him that could not be their last name, because that was a bad word and I didn't want him to say I again. The next day, I had to remind him that it was a bad word and not to say it again or I would wash his mouth out with soap. Well, the next day I had the bar of soap in my hand and thought "before I do this I should go over and introduce myself and find out the correct name. To my great surprise HE WAS RIGHT. Can you imagine how shocked I was. The couple had 3 boys and 1 girl. In order not to hurt anyone's feelings since these individuals are still living I will not mention the first names, Male Andrew (family member) married Female Screws, they have a daughter and named her _____________ Screws Andrew. And I only thought I had it rough when people teased me about my name "Hazel", the medicine and cartoon character "Witch Hazel" and "Hazel the Maid" Shirley Booth, then to add "Payne" in the neck and other parts of the body, and here comes a "Payne". If only people would realize the hurt the child will have to endure throughout their lives with names such as these. Later,