--part1_d0.547a8e4.26415506_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_d0.547a8e4.26415506_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <ADKINS-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-za04.mx.aol.com (rly-za04.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.100]) by air-za05.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Tue, 02 May 2000 22:04:25 -0400 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [209.85.6.30]) by rly-za04.mx.aol.com (v71.10) with ESMTP; Tue, 02 May 2000 22:04:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23279; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:59:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Sender: Mommybare@aol.com Tue May 2 18:59:40 2000 From: Mommybare@aol.com Message-ID: <6f.46fca9b.2640e1c0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:58:24 EDT Old-To: ADKINS-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Subject: [ADKINS] Re: Jane/Jenny Adkins Harless Resent-Message-ID: <Q3XxsC.A.mrF.Mg4D5@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: ADKINS-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: ADKINS-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <ADKINS-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1925 X-Loop: ADKINS-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ADKINS-L-request@rootsweb.com I am new to this list. I descend from a Jane/Jenny Adkins, probably born about 1776. She was listed as the daughter of Parker Adkins in book "Increase in Prices" by Anne Hayden Price Yates and W. Conway Price and her name is listed as Irene Jane Adkins. The book has the descendants of Anna Margaretha Price and her husband Johan Philip Harless. Jane Adkins married Michael Harless born 1768 on 4-3-1797 in Montgomery Co.,VA. I found an LDS IGI record for her listed under Jane Adkins and it said she was daughter of Parker Adkins born about 1776. No mother listed. A Parker Adkins may have had children with daughter of Chief Cornstalk of Shawnee, named Blue Sky, and her Christian name may have been Mary. I would like to be able to tie her in to the other Adkins from Pittsylvania Co. VA. ==== ADKINS Mailing List ==== For more ADKINS genealogy, visit this homepage: http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jjadkins/genealogy/adkinsinfo.html --part1_d0.547a8e4.26415506_boundary--

Hello to everyone: A couple of weeks ago someone queried the list about a Henry Payne/Paine in Greene Co. TN if I remember correctly. I did not keep the message but did find a couple of things in my files on a Henry Payne. Hope this is helpful. Elizabeth Edwards Source: Greene Co. TN Deed Abstracts 1785-1810 Vol. 2,4,6,7,8 by Joyce Murray. pg. 11 of the abstract book. p. 158 Indenture 14 Nov 1788. David Campbell, Greene Co. NC and Henry Payne, Berkley Co. VA �200 paid, tract in said Greene Co. on north side French Broad River, 500 acres part grant to Campbell at Kinston, 1 Nov. 1786. Wit: James Elliot, Samuel Carrick, Jr., John Moore, Jr.. Acknowledged in May Session 1791 court of Greene Co. Source: Greene Co. TN Minutes of the Court of Common Pleas 1783-1795. Compiled by Goldene Burgner. pg. 97-98 of compilation p. 206, July Session 1791: A deed of conveyance from the Honorable David Campbell, Esq. to Henry Payne dated the 14th of November 1788 for 500 acres of land was duly proven by the oath of Samuel Carrick and John Moore and admitted to record. 7 shillings paid. ce27337@netscape.net Please visit my personal homepage at http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/e/d/w/C-E-Edwards/index.html ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.

These people are of no relation to me... I'm only transcribing the book... and this is all there is. Sorry. Can't answer any questions unless you think there is a typo. Hope someone out there can find something of use here. The Bible is The Revised Version of the New Testament of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ Translated out of the most ancient authorities and revised A. D. 1881. HARMON BIBLE - WHAT GOD HATH JOINED TOGETHER LET NOT MAN PUT ASUNDER Mr. David Harmon of Davidson, N.C. and Jennie E. Dawson of Forsythe, N.C. on January 19, 1859 at her fathers res. by Rev. John Naylor. MARRIAGES: Cordelia M. A. Harman was married Oct. 10, 1886 G. J. Pane Angeline J. Harman Sept. 8, 1887 William C. King Addie E. Harman November 30, 1890 J. W. Jones Arminta J. Harman July 3, 1892 G. S. Gothard BIRTHS: David Harmon March 6, 1834 Jennie E. Harmon March 25, 1843 Children's Births: Margaret M. C. Harmon Sept. 5, 1861 David P. Harmon Oct. 4, 1863 Cordelia M. A. Harmon May 20, 1866 Angelina J. Harmon Oct. 27, 1868 Addie E. H. Harmon March 31, 1871 Milton H. Harmon Sept. 25, 1873 Arminta J. Harmon Oct. 18, 1876 Cora R. Harmon Sept. 28, 1880 George E. Harmon June 2, 1884 DEATHS: Margaret M. C. Harmon Aug. 24, 1863 David P. Harmon Nov. 5, 1863 (in pencil): Cordelia Harmon July 8, 1922 George Edward Harmon Oct. 12, 1922 PAPER FOUND INSIDE THE HARMON BIBLE - ON OLD TABLET PAPER George Washington Gothard was born May the 10th 1832. Henry County, Old Virginia. Left Virginia when 17 years of age. Come to Mo. Barbara Ellen Hughes was born July the 21, 1835, Jackson County, Tennessee. Left Tennessee when 14 years of age, come to MO. George Washington Gothard and Barbra Ellen Hughes was married the 26th day of September, 1855. Cedar Co., MO. Amey Caroline Gothard was born August the 18, 1856. Cedar County, MO Nancy Jane Gothard was born March the 15th, 1859. Dallas Co., Tex. (MO?) Mary Margaret Gothard was born May the 11, 1865. Dallas Co., MO Elizabeth Easter Gothard was born October the 23rd 1868. Webster Co., MO Rhoda Lieueasy Gothard was born July the 18th, 1872. Webster Co., MO Julie Ellen Gothard was born January the 30th, 1875. Web. Co., MO Rannie Lieu Setty Gothard was born March the 7th. 1878. Webster Co., MO Vernie Winton Gothard was born January the 26th, 1896 Polk Co., MO George Sigel Gothard was born July the 28th, 1861. Cedar Co., MO John Abraham Gothard was born March the 5th, 1864. Died March the 6th, 1864. LeClede County, MO Nancy Jane Twyman died September the 16th, 1902 Webster Co., MO Barbara Ellen Hughes Gothard died April the 20th, 1902. Webster Co., MO (continued in pencil) George Washington Gothard died May 21, 1916 Blynn Boyd Gothard was born April 11, 1916 Robert Franklin Gothard was borned Oct. 15, 1918 Etta Lue Gothard was borned Jan. 23rd, 1928 LETTER FOUND INSIDE HARMON BIBLE: WRITTEN TO JENNIE (JANE) DAWSON HARMON, WHO LIVED NEAR OLIVE, MO., DALLAS CO. (I left in the bad spelling and lack of punctuation) Lewisville Forsythe Co., NC Jan 14th, 1890 Dear Aunt. It is again I attempt to answer your kind & welcome letter that came to hand a few days ago. Was very sorry to hear of your afflictions. Wish I could aid you in some way or other. Hope you are all better in this time. I have been very poorly for over two month. not able to do my housework and have to keep a girl hired. I am sometimes up & sometimes down. At time I feel that I'll not live long, but yet I do not. --- I will be --- I have such awful pains in my back & side & on my heart at times I can't lay on either side. I just have to lay flat on my back & propped up part of the time but I will take it for my share we have crosses & trials & afflections in this world for this is a world of trouble any way and if it wasn't for the blessed hope of a better one I would at times give up in dispair. but just think of Jesus how he was tempted in the wilderness & we can suffer a little & he has said I will never leave thee nor forsake thee and he also says he will not put more on us than we can bear. and thoug we think it hard but it is all for our good, perhaps. Mrs. Warner, (nighbor of mine) says she has heard a sure cure for bronititis. Take rock candy & put it in rye whiskey & drink it. & smoke life everlasting. Aunt Jane I recon you know what that is. it is a weed that grows in old fields. Don't know if grows there or not. There is plenty of it here. Kind a new discovery for is said to be a safe & sure remedy for bronchitis. I sent Pa your letter & part of your hair so he could read it. I haven't seen him since 2 weeks before Christmas. He lives in Salem now. Walter was down at Christmas. He is on the Dobson Circuit - Surry Co. He will move to Dobson in a few weeks to the Parsonage. He has 13 places to preach at. John was down nearly 2 weeks ago. They live in Stokes, 10 miles this side of Walter. Demarices has a baby girl over 2 weeks old. I haven't been able to go to see her. & she lives some 4 or 5 mile from hear. I havent heard anything from Harmona or Bowdens since I wrote before. And as to the reason for Pas not writing I could tell you for I have heard him say. but then it isn't any of my business & I don't like to mettel. I think if you will send him a receipt for the last money he sent you or a clear receipt. he will then write & be like always. but he says he has been a brother to you & has a receipt for every dollar or cent that he has paid out. debts that come p & he had to pay. Others come up that he fought against 1 - or one that I know of if he hadn't you would have lost that much out of your estate. I talked to him about it several times. and you know how he is as good as I do. don't think hard of me now for telling you I thought I'd give you a little satisfaction about it for I have tried hard to get him to write & he wont. I want you to answer soon. Give my love to all your children & tell them to write & send me theirs when you send yours soon Your ever loving nice S. J. Holder ps what was it you said you'd send me if you had any. I could not make it out. Tell it again. I will send you some of mine & Birtha's hair. Would send some of the boys but it is too short. They are going to school now. The darkest hair mine. Marie Lane, who shared the preceding Bible record and letter with us, sent along the following family record of the Harmon family: David Harmon, b 6 Mar 1834 Davidson Co., NC, d 22 Nov. 1897 Dallas Co., MO Jennie E. Dawson (Jane), b 25 Mar 1843 NC, d 31 Jan 1906 Dallas Co., MO David Harmon and Jane Dawson were married 19 Jan 1859 in Forsythe, NC at her father's residence by Rev. John Naylor. Their children: 1. Margaret M. E. Harmon, b 5 Sep 1861 NC; d 24 Aug 1863 NC 2. David P. Harmon, b 4 Oct. 1863 NC, d 5 Nov 1863 NC 3. Cordelia M. A. Harmon, b 20 May, 1866 NC, d 8 July 1922 Dallas Co., MO. m George J. Payne 10 Oct. 1886. 4. Angelina J. Harmon b 27 Oct. 1868 BC d 1 Nov 1941 Greene Co., MO m Wm. Charlie King 8 Sept. 1889 5. Addie Elizabeth Harmon, b 31 Mar 1871 MO, d 13 April 1950 Webster Co., MO. m J. Wesley Jones 30 Nov. 1890. 6. Milton Harve Harmon b 25 Sept 1873 Mo, d 22 Jan 1945 Roosevelt Co., NM m. Nancy Austin 3 Nov. 1901 7. Arminta Jane Harmon b 18 Oct. 1876 Dallas Co., MO, d 21 Mar 1951 Polk Co., MO, m George Sigel Gothard 3 July 1892 8. Cora R. Harmon, b 28 Sept. 1880 Dallas Co., MO d childbirth 8 Nov. 1904 Dallas Co., MO m M. A. Snodgrass 19 Oct. 1902 9. George Ed. Harmon, b 2 June 1884 Dallas Co., MO, d 12 Oct. 1922 Dallas Co. MO never married Editor's note: I think the letter found inside the Harmon Bible gives us a very typical example of family letters, as it touches on so many of life's problems and situations. The very common reference to ill health begins the letter --- the pains and illnesses tat were suffered stoically before the use of the modern medical treatments we take for granted. So many letters carry the same religious references to bearing physical ills as Jesus bore his suffering. But immediately the letter becomes more practical, with advice about the latest remedy for bronchitis. Don't you want to try it? -- take rock candy & put it in rye whiskey & drink it. & smoke life everlasting". The letter writer describes life everlasting as a "weed that grows in old fields" and with Martha Meyers' help, I can tell you what it is. Joseph E. Meyer's book, "The Herbalist" describes it as being in the aster family and known also as Old Field Balsam, Indian Posy, Sweet scented Life Everlasting, White Balsam. Meyer says it is an astringent that relieves irritations of the mouth and throat if the leaves and blossoms are chewed. Bruises and local irritations are also relieved by placing the leaves on the areas. It grows 1-2' high. l If home remedies like life everlasting interest you, you'd enjoy Mr. Meyer's book. Its complete title is, "The Herbalist: Medicinal Plants, Plant Vitamins and Minerals, Beverage Teas, Spices and flavoring Herbs, Plant colors for food and cosmetics, plant dyes for fabrics, Botanicals for Potpourri and Sachets, Dentifrices, gargles, cosmetics, botanical curios, smoke flavoring Botanicals, assorted other information". The book was first published in 1918, the Revised and enlarged edition was published in 1960 by Rand McNally and Company., Conkey Divison. Our letter writer goes on to family news, including the birth of a baby. Then we get a glimpse of a family estrangement over money, apparently -- again, a fairly common occurrence. One can picture the unhappiness on both sides as family members in North Carolina and in Missouri tried to bridge the gap of distance and misunderstanding. I love the postscript of the letter: "What was it you said you'd send me if you had any. I could not make it out. Tell it again." Then the bits of hair were included in the letter -- how typical that was, too, and the necessary explanation that the darkest hair belonged to the writer. And we have the comment that the boys' hair is too short to sample! Exchanging bits of hair was a way, short of sending a photo, that told the receiver what the person looked like, and was a way of haring oneself in affection. It was another typical touch to this letter in the Harmon Bible.

I have a James PAYNE . He had one known son named Henry Payne born about 28 January 1767. He married Rachel Thompson(daughter of James and Rachel (Baldwin) Thompson. Henry and Rachel were married 17 December 1795 in Orange county NC. Does anyone have any information on this family line? Debra Carter tara37@comsys.net

If John Wilkes Booth died on April 26, 1865, what does the marriage date of 1872 listed in the subject below mean? Sincerely, Bob Armstrong in Houston, TX Jennifer Payne Guarino wrote: > From: "Judy Sakuta" <jsakuta@bignet.net> > To: "Jennifer Payne Guarino" <jguarino@mindspring.com> > Subject: Re: Louisa Payne m. John Wilkes Booth, TN, 1872 > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:03:37 -0400 > X-Priority: 3 > > From my side of the family (the Payne's) the story goes like this. The > Payne's of Pelham Valley are descended from Benjamin Franklin and Elizabeth > Conn Payne. Their oldest son was: > > Zebadiah C. Payne b. 1843 m. Louisa Price (She later married John Wilkes > Booth after Zebadiah died in the Civil War.) > > This is taken from "Homecoming "86 > History of > The Elk River Valley > (Pelham Valley) > of > Grundy County, TN" > > This history of my ancestors was compiled by Arlene Partin Bean and Janelle > Layne Coats > > Judy

From: "Mark Moran" <tward5@Bellsouth.net> To: "Jennifer Payne Guarino" <jguarino@mindspring.com>, <PAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <PAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: Louisa Payne m. John Wilkes Booth, TN, 1872 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:26:24 -0400 X-Priority: 3 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jennifer Payne Guarino <jguarino@mindspring.com> To: <PAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 10:54 AM Subject: Louisa Payne m. John Wilkes Booth, TN, 1872 : Saw this in my local newspaper today and thought the Payne list may : be interested - this person claims a Payne family member married John : Wilkes Booth, President Lincoln's assassin: Hello Jennifer, I am CCing a copy of this to the list but not sure if it will go through, I have had trouble getting anything posted to the list. I too have this person in my tree along with some similiar info. Her name was Louisa J. Price, She had a first husband who's name was Zebadiah C. Payne who was wounded during the Civil war and later died because his wounds would not heal. I have a relative that told me there was an entry in an old family Bible that would confirm this but I have not seen it. I read an article in the Nashville newspaper about 7 years ago that said two professor's at the University of the South were trying to get permission to exhume this persons body to try to confirm these reports by checking to see if the corpse might have a broken leg bone. I have heard nothing more concerning that. It would be really interesting to know if there was any fact to this story. As I stated I have never been able to get messages posted to the list, if this one does'nt go thru, feel free to post it if you think it worth while. Below are the notes that I have on this subject: Her second husband, John Wilkes BOOTH, who was accused of shooting Abraham LINCOLN, had to leave his pregnant wife and step-son behind when he fled from Memphis, Tennessee. She later brought her two children to Pelham, Tennessee. One day while she was sweeping her yard, her long skirt was set fire by a small burning heap of trash, She died as a result of her burns. [per J. COATS Grundy County book, and as reported by Herald Chronical, Winchester, Tennessee, 23 May 1983]

From: "Judy Sakuta" <jsakuta@bignet.net> To: "Jennifer Payne Guarino" <jguarino@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Louisa Payne m. John Wilkes Booth, TN, 1872 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:03:37 -0400 X-Priority: 3 From my side of the family (the Payne's) the story goes like this. The Payne's of Pelham Valley are descended from Benjamin Franklin and Elizabeth Conn Payne. Their oldest son was: Zebadiah C. Payne b. 1843 m. Louisa Price (She later married John Wilkes Booth after Zebadiah died in the Civil War.) This is taken from "Homecoming "86 History of The Elk River Valley (Pelham Valley) of Grundy County, TN" This history of my ancestors was compiled by Arlene Partin Bean and Janelle Layne Coats Judy

Per an article in the Houston, TX paper this week, a project (started by a University of Houston history professor name Walther) at www.texasslaveryproject,uh.edu is trying to get info on all slaves in Texas. They are checking newspapers, census and other public info. If you have any personal or little known sources please contribute. Thanks, Patsy Q

My PAYNES seem to have clustered themselves around Chesham and Newport Pagnell, Bucks. I have a JOHN PAINE/PAYNE married to ANN TERRY in 1822 and then living at Pednormead End, Chesham, where they raised a brood of children - whose names I will share if anyone is interested. Shall be pleased to hear from descendants of either family. Please contact: zingara@interlynx.net Yvonne Garry Dundas, Ontario, Canada

Anyone out there interested in the Payne family of Glasgow? Following names in family I am interested in Cornelius Marsh Payne 1790- 1862 George William Payne 1810 ? - 1889 ? Sarah Ann Payne 1810 - 1890 ? Georgina Matilda Payne 1842 - `1913 David Cornelius Payne married Ann MacArthur Glasgow 1865 I am trying to trace descendants and cencus returns in Glasgow 1862 thru 1891 Thanks Richard and Christine Dolman

Saw this in my local newspaper today and thought the Payne list may be interested - this person claims a Payne family member married John Wilkes Booth, President Lincoln's assassin: Source: Brentwood Journal, Brentwood, TN, Thursday April 13, 2000 by Clint Confehr, Staff Writer WILSON COUNTY MAN NAMED HEAD LIBRARIAN (excerpts follow) Brentwood's new head librarian is currently the director of public services at the Tennessee State Library and Archives in Nashville where he's worked since 1994. Charles A. "Chuck" Sherrill, 41, of Mount Juliet is scheduled to start leading the Brentwood Library on May 8. ...before his work in state archives he found a record implying John Wilkes Booth escaped to Tennessee after assassinating President Lincoln on April 14, 1865. History books report Booth died in a Virginia barn. The record Sherrill found is a marriage license for one of Sherrill's ancestors and a man named Booth. His parents are originally from Tennessee. They moved to Ohio during WWII, but retired in Estill Springs. Sherrill lives in Mount Juliet. As for his ancestor's legendary marriage license with Lincoln's assassin, the record is part of the Franklin County archives in Winchester [TN], Sherrill said. Booth "was actually married to a member of my family, so the story goes," Sherrill said, "assuming you believe he was still alive in 1872. "It's not his signature, " Sherrill said of the Booth name in the record. "It's the name written in by the county clerk on the marriage license." The bride to be was Louisa Payne. "She came out of Payne's Cove in Grundy County, settled by Poindexter Payne," Sherrill said. "I found the marriage license in the courthouse years and years ago while studying genealogy as a teenager," he said. "My grandfather had told me the story, so I was looking for proof."

Hi Listers, I'm new to this list and thought I would post my surname interests. I am helping a friend trace her family tree in Australia. We have had a lot of dead ends and disappointments but finally have a break through. We are looking for Frederick John Goodsell PAYNE or PAINE, born about 1832 in Sussex, England His parents were: William PAYNE; a general labourer and Lucy GOODSELL We think they came to Australia in about 1836. The family story goes that there were three brothers, one (my friends ancestor) stayed in NSW and the other two went to Victoria. (Yet to be confirmed) Our big problem is they all seemed to 'change' their names regularly. They either went under their first name or middle name. I have a lot of sorting to do. If anyone has an idea on where I can start to find births etc from Australia, I'd love to hear from you. If this 'ancestor' is yours, I'd love to trade information. Thank you all. Karen Hocking Dubbo NSW Australia

I am looking for any info regarding Henry PAYNE born about 1760 married Rachel Thompson 12-17-1795 in Orange county NC, Henry died 5-28-1837. They had 8 known children: Mary Elizabeth about 1796 James about 1797 Joseph 1798 John between 1795-1800 Elizabeth about 1809 Jenny between 1800-1810 Andrew 1813 Abigail 1820 Through records of the childrens birth he appears to have remained in NC till about 1809.At that time all the rest of the children were born in TN. His wife Rachel Thompson was born in 1776 and died 5-5-1859. She was the daughter of James Thompson and Rachel Baldwin.Henry was the possible son of James or Joseph. Any help would be very very appreciated. Debra Carter tara37@comsys.net

For those interested, I have received the documents from the Peabody-Essex Museum sent to me by Deborah Messa, a Library Assistant who has been very helpful in helping me research this. Included are examples of Robert PIKE'S handwriting, including his signature, as well as the 1692 letter written to Judge CORWIN in opposition to the trials. However, the Museum did not have any examples of Robert PAYNE'S writing to make a comparison. I am still looking for that if anyone happens to know where it can be obtained. One thing that is evident, Robert PIKE absolutely did not write the 1692 letter. The handwriting is obviously not in his hand. You can judge for yourself. I have taken images of the two documents and posted them at the following address: http://www.payn.org/rp-comparison.shtml If it was not Robert PIKE, as historians have concluded, than the only other author put forth was Robert PAYNE of Ipswich, whose name was added at some point beneath the initials, "R.P." in which the author of the letter used in closing. Regards, Patrick Payne http://papayne.rootsweb.com

Prior to state hood in the Cherokee Nation Joseph Payne whose son married Elizabeth Isreal the daughter of David Isreal. Joseph Payne owned at one time Bromide Springs.

Descendants of Payne/paine/pane 1 Payne/paine/pane ........ 2 John Payne ........ 2 Joseph "Joe" Payne ........ 2 Fanny Payne Abt. 1790 - Aft. 1835 ............ +Thomas A. Stanford Abt. 1790 - 1859 ................... 3 Harrison "Harris" Stanford1817 - 1888 ....................... +Elizabeth ................... *2nd Wife of Harrison "Harris" Stanford: ....................... +Holley Pennington 1815 - 1860 ................... *3rd Wife of Harrison "Harris" Stanford: ....................... +Mary "Polly" Day 1835 - 1887 ................... 3 Demitrus "Susy" Stanford 1818 - ....................... +[1] William Drigger 1817 - ................... 3 Mary "Polly" Stanford 1819 - ....................... +John James Lemmons ................... 3 William Stanford 1820 - ....................... +Lucy 1825 - ................... 3 Joseph Stanford 1824 - 1876 ....................... +Rebecca Ann Kerley/Klearly1830 - 1874 ................... 3 Francis "Fanny" Stanford 1827 - ....................... +[1] William Drigger 1817 - ................... 3 Thomas Jefferson Stanford1827 - 1898 ....................... +Nelly Kerly/Cearly 1833 - Bef. 1858 ................... *2nd Wife of Thomas Jefferson Stanford: ....................... +Miranda Boyd Newman 1837 - Bef. 1880 ................... *3rd Wife of Thomas Jefferson Stanford: ....................... +Rachel Tatum - Bef. 1883 ................... *4th Wife of Thomas Jefferson Stanford: ....................... +Jane Harmon ................... 3 Elizabeth Stanford 1831 - ....................... +John R. Compton ................... 3 Harriet A. Stanford Abt. 1835 - 1895 ....................... +C. B. Dill ........ 2 Philip S. Payne Abt. 1780 - 1815 ............ +Demaris "Mary or Rissa" Forrester1780 - 1850 ................... 3 Joseph Payne 1803 - ....................... +Harriett Stanford 1807 - ................... 3 Elizabeth"Lizzie or Betsy"Payne1805-1860 ....................... +Hiram Stanford 1805 - 1876 ................... 3 Jonathan Payne 1812 - 1889 ....................... +Toppin Wylder 1813 - 1873 ................... 3 Demaris Payne 1814 - 1843 ....................... +Henry W. Holtslaw 1816 - 1849

At 08:26 AM 04/06/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Patrick, >I know you have been busy, but have you gotten a chance to put together your >recent information that you sent to us on the connection to the Paynes of >Virginia. I checked your site and found a lot of interesting names,but was >not sure how the >Paynes of Virginia were connected. Hello, There is a lot of information on the site about John PAYNE, the subject of "PAYNES of Virginia." First, In the 1630s, this John PAYNE was part owner and also the Commander of the ship, JOHN & DOROTHY, [PRO, SR 04004, pp. 3, 8; PRO, SR 04005, p. 5; PRO SR 9977, p. 1]. John was part owner of the ship, as was London merchant, Joseph HAWES, who brought criminal charges against John for taking the ship, against orders, to Ireland, where John sold off the goods of his partners. The ship brought Adam THOROUGHGOOD to Virginia along with 120 some odd head rights of his and then was to make a return to England- not Ireland, where the records state John PAYNE was living at Dublin at the time with his servant, John WITHERS. [Cavaliers and Pioneers, vol. 1, pp. 22-23]. Among reasons to conclude that this was the John PAYNE d. 1689/90, of Lancaster/Rappahannock County comes from the records of the court case John was involved in following the voyage of the JOHN & DOROTHY and the men that testified in his defense. One of those men was Col. John WALKER, whose daughter Anne WALKER, married John PAYNE'S son, John Jr., in 1668. Several other neighbors and close associates of John PAYNE of Virginia also testified on his behalf. [see http://www.payn.org/members/payne-mariners/johnpayne-1.shtml for more details]. Also named in the records of the JOHN & DOROTHY was Thomas PAYNE and Randell MAINWARRING. In Cavaliers and Pioneers under the patent granted to Adam THOROUGHGOOD in Lower Norfolk County, Virginia, it gives the names of his head rights, along with the ships they came to Virginia on. Among the many names which include close associates of John of Virginia, are the names John WITHERS and John REYNOLDS. John WITHERS was undoubtedly the servant of John PAYNE named in the court case and John REYNOLDS was the executor of the will of Thomas PAINE "of St. Mary's County, Maryland" in 1673. Thus, the argument can be made that John PAYNE "of Virginia" and Thomas PAINE "of Maryland", both named in the records of the ship JOHN & DOROTHY, were at least closely associated with one another and most likely relatives. This is not the only indicator of a relationship between the two men. Thomas PAINE of Maryland's great-grandson, Joseph PAYNE, son of Thomas & Elizabeth PAYNE of St. Mary's County, Md., married Anne BRANNOCK, daughter of John BRANNOCK and Margaret BECKWITH LECOMPTE of Dorchester County, Md. Anne BRANNOCK's half-brother, Anthony LECOMPTE, married the widow of William BENNETT, Catherine "of Virginia" whose family John PAYNE had been closely associated with. Moreover, William PAYNE who came from Virginia in 1673 as a head right of Mr. John LEE to Dorchester County, Md., settled near Joseph PAYNE's brother, Isaac PAYNE, also of Dorchester County. In about 1765, both of these families, the one from Maryland and the one from Virginia, moved TOGETHER from Maryland to Rowan County, NC. Then by 1790, they both moved again to Greenville District, SC. Along the way, they left us a record showing their relationship for Ann PAYNE, daughter of Thomas PAYNE, the grandson of William who came to Maryland from Virginia with John LEE, married a Revolutionary War soldier by the name of Archibald McMahan who drove the wagon for Thomas' family from NC to SC. Aaron PAYNE, the son of Isaiah PAYNE, Joseph PAYNE'S nephew, and a descendant of Thomas PAINE of "St. Mary's, Md.," was also in the Revolutionary War. In the pension application submitted by Aaron PAYNE, he states that he "knew Archibald MCMAhAN in North Carolina" and that he had married his "cousin" Ann PAYNE. Thomas PAINE, did not come to Virginia aboard the JOHN & DOROTHY with John PAYNE however. Instead, he arrived on the TRANSPORT of London with Edward WALKER, Master on July 4, 1635. [PRO, SR 03466, p. 2; Hottens Lists]. This seems to further support the connection between John and Thomas as the associations suggest a relationship between Edward and Col. John WALKER. The evidence can hardly be denied that the families of Virginia and Maryland were related. Brooke PAYNE missed it however because he conducted no research in Maryland at all- he makes no mention of Maryland in his bibliography. But there are several other associations to be made. As recorded in the records cited above, John PAYNE was a partner of Joseph HAWES and his brother Nathaniel HAWES. Their brother-in-law and partner was Captain George PAYNE, Master of the ship "ELIZABETH" captured by the Spanish in 1637. Captain George PAYNE married Rachel HAWES in London 1634. Randell MAINWARRING, named in the records with John PAYNE and the JOHN & DOROTHY, married Elizabeth HAWES, and was thus also the brother-in-law of George PAYNE, Joseph and Nathaniel HAWES. MAINWARRINGS cousin was merchant Matthew CRADDOCK, a New England merchant of prominence. ["Merchants and Revolution," Robert Brenner, Princeton University Press, 1994, pp. 138, 183n, 190t, 325-27, 414, 430n, 449]. The business partners of these men reads like a who's who of Virginia's Northern Neck; all neighbors and associates of John PAYNE. But they were also merchants active throughout the Colonies- the West Indies, New England, Bermuda, and Newfoundland. In fact, their reach extended farther still as the also traded in Europe, Africa, and even Asia as members of the Levant, East India, Somers Islands, and various other companies of London. Some of the names include: William TUCKER, Ralph HAMOR, Sir Thomas WARNER, Augustine WARNER, Maurice THOMPSON, Thomas COMBES, Thomas STONE, William STONE, Edward THOMPSON, William CLOBERRY, Sir William ALEXANDER, Samuel VASSAL, George MENEFIE, Thomas KING, Simon TURGIS, William CLAIBORNE, George THOMPSON, Jeremy BLACKMAN, Gregory CLEMENT, William WILLOUGHBY, Andrew STONE, John WARNER, Samuel WARNER, Thomas DEACON, Andrew HAWES, Edward WOOD, Matthew CRADDOCK, Nathan WRIGHT, John WINTHROP, Edward DOWNING, Edward BENNETT, Richard BENNETT, John UTIE, Thomas, Jonathan, and Nathaniel ANDREWS, Nicolas TRERICE, Joshua FOOTE, William PENNOYER, James STONE, William BARKELEY, Elias ROBERTS, Samuel MATHEWS, George FLETCHER, Randell MAINWARRING, Joseph and Nathaniel HAWES, George PAYNE, Thomas STEGG, William FELGATE, Henry TAVENER, John (De) BAILEY, the Earl of WARWICK (Robert RICH), and John DETHICK. Brenner goes on to show the kinships between these merchants ["Merchants and Revolution," table beginning on p. 194]. We have no reason to doubt Mr. Brenners accuracy and thoroughness. He is one of the most respected names on the subject of these merchants of the colonization period and in compiling his book, he received support from some of the best recognized names in the historical community. His sources are thorough and I have been using them extensively to pull my research together. John PAYNE [given as Jon. PAYNE] is also named in records as being the Master of the ship SUSAN & HELLEN [PRO SR 03491]. In "Planters of the Commonwealth," Banks, we find that Edward PAYNE was the Captain of SUSAN & HELLEN which sailed in May 1635 for New England with: John & Martha PROCTOR, Walter THORNTON, John NORTH, Edward WEEDEN (WEEDON), Richard HAWKINS, Thomas PARKER, Clement COLE, William BURROWS, Philip ATWOOD (a family closely associated through marriage with the SNOW and FREEMAN families who intermarried with families related to PAYNE's in NE), Peter COOPER, Mary and Hannah SMITH, Dionis TAYLOR, John MORE, Henry KNOWLES, Richard and Thomas BROOKE, Rev. Peter BULKELEY & wife Grace with their children, and most significantly, Richard SALTONSTALL of Watertown. Sir Richard SALTONSTALL'S daughter, Rosamond, married Col. Richard PAYNE of "Gunley Hall, Montgomeryshire, Wales" near the home of Tobias PAYNE, whose grandson, Tobias, married Sarah WINSLOW, daughter of Boston merchant, John WINSLOW. SALTONSTALL, PINCHON, and John WOODCOCK were given a grant of land below Springfield about 1640. PINCHON and WOODCOCK also held lands in Roxbury and in Dedham, where Thomas PAYNE "of Wrentham, Suffolk" and his wife Rebecca WARE were married. SALTONSTALL was the nephew of the Lord Mayor of London, justice of the peace, and Lord of a Manor. He later joined William PAYNE of Ipswich in a venture to open the fur trade in the Delaware region, originally initiated by the Laconia Company under the POPHAM'S and GORGE'S group (covered on my site). SALTONSTALL'S 3rd wife was Martha CAMMOCK, daughter of Thomas CAMMOCK and Frances RICH, daughter of Robert RICH, 2nd Baron RICH. Martha CAMMOCK'S nephew, Warwick CAMMOCK is named in the 1675 will of Robert PAYNE (alias Robert DAVIES), clerk of the Rappahannock County Vestry 1662-1666 who married Elizabeth LAWSON, daughter of Epaphraditus LAWSON. All of this is thoroughly covered on my web site and I am just repeating effort here. Please- go to the site and use the search engine provided or just browse :-} Regards, Patrick Payne http://papayne.rootsweb.com

Cleveland PAYNE, son of Poindexter and Annie Bell HILL PAYNE,born about 1816 TN, married Jalah Jane ------ about 1834. Their children were born in TN and/or Missouri, the first child Elizabeth Ann born about 1836, some census have Missouri, others TN. My records show eight children :Elizabeth Ann; Josiah Poindexter,TN; John T, TN/MO; Malinda, TN/MO; Joel C,TN; Mary ,TN; Henry,TN; Zebediah, TN. 1870, Cleveland and Jalah Jane lived in Kaufman Co, TX; 1880 C PAYNE, wd, lived in Madison Co, AL I am especially interested in parents of Jalah Jane , date and place of marriage, will exchange info with others on desc of Clelveland and Jalah Jane. Lillian H Herrin

Hello Folks, Sorry for being so quite lately. However, I have been working on several projects which have been getting all of my attention. One of those is getting pretty close to completion and I would like to get some reviews if possible. I still have some sources to cite, bits to add, and probably a whole lot to edit out entirely. Anyway, this particular project's topic has been the family merchant network in America during the late 16th and 17th century and is located at http://www.payn.org/american-merchant-network-1.shtml There are several supporting documents that go with it which can be found beginning at http://www.payn.org/pfhs.shtml . I've posted some of these previously to the PAYNE lists. I am hoping that these projects will form the basis for my book on the subject. Any input, critiques, suggestions, or pointing out of any errors would be greatly appreciated. Particularly in areas that might be weak and in need of more support. There is a lot of genealogy incorporated into these pages, much of which comes from Complete Peerage, Dictionary of National Biography (England), and other sources which I trust are accepted sources. I've cited many of those sources throughout, however, others are in my family file and I have not taken the time to copy them over from that file into these pages. Rather, I hope to hyperlink to them taking full advantage of the technology the web offers. I'm not sure how to approach it just yet or which would require the least amount of effort. I like the idea of hyperlinks though, as one of the benefits is that it cuts down on the number of pages, making it more readable. Some of the genealogy gets very tedious to read I think... but it is necessary to make my point that these merchants were a tightly intermarried group whose origins stretched much earlier than the colonization period. That is where I could use your reviews- I am making that point clear enough? Anyway, have at it and I hope you find it of interest. Regards, Patrick http://papayne.rootsweb.com

I am looking for any info regarding Henry PAYNE born about 1760 married Rachel Thompson 12-17-1795 in Orange county NC, Henry died 5-28-1837. They had 8 known children: Mary Elizabeth about 1796 James about 1797 Joseph 1798 John between 1795-1800 Elizabeth about 1809 Jenny between 1800-1810 Andrew 1813 Abigail 1820 Through records of the childrens birth he appears to have remained in NC till about 1809.At that time all the rest of the children were born in TN. His wife Rachel Thompson was born in 1776 and died 5-5-1859. She was the daughter of James Thompson and Rachel Baldwin. Any help would be very very appreciated. Debra Carter tara37@comsys.net