I have seem to lost contact with Naomia Payne at <dpayne@mail.orion.org>. I may have made a mistake in her address and the mail keeps coming back. Can anyone help me contact her? Thanks, David S. Payne View my surnames and complete file at: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=otime Searching for surnames mostly in Upstate SC/GA: ADDISON, ALLISON, ARENDALE/ARENDELL/ARENDALL, CANADY, COLEMAN, CORBIN, COX, CRAIG, DEAN, FOWLER, GILLILAN, HALEY, GORDON, GRAY, HENSON, JAMES, McMILLIAN, McPHERSON, MOODY, NEWTON, PARKER, PASSMORE, PATTERSON, PAYNE, POINDEXTER, REDWINE, REID, ROY, SHIRES, SWANN, WEST, WHITMIRE, WOODALL _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Do you have a Flayle Payne in your data base? I noticed the similarity in geography of our Paynes. I am researching the following family. Marjorie PAYNE and Robert HARPER were my 3-g grandparents. Descendants of Flayle Payne 1 Flayle PAYNE b: Bet. 1690 - 1698 d: 1765 in Frederick Co., Maryland ... 2 Thomas PAYNE ... 2 Martha PAYNE ... 2 John PAYNE, Sr. b: Bet. 1724 - 1730 in Maryland d: Oct 1798 in Bedford Co., VA ....... +Mary ____? ........ 3 Catherine PAYNE ............ +John(?) KENNETT ........ 3 John PAYNE, Jr. ........ 3 William PAYNE ........ 3 Thomas PAYNE ........ 3 Marjory PAYNE ............ +Robert HARPER b: Abt. 1761 in VA d: Bet. 1840 - 1841 in Tuscaloosa County, AL m: Dec 21, 1787 in Bedford, VA Father: Josiah HARPER Mother: Rachel OWINGS .............. 4 Rachel HARPER b: Bet. 1788 - 1789 in VA d: Bet. 1850 - 1860 .................. +James DUNCAN b: Bet. 1787 - 1789 in TN? d: Bet. 1850 - 1860 m: Abt. 1821 in Pickens Co., AL .............. 4 John Payne HARPER b: Mar 22, 1790 in VA d: Jun 30, 1863 in Jackson Co., AL .................. +Martha "Patsy" PHILLIPS b: Jan 22, 1798 in KY d: Aft. 1883 in AL (Van Zandt Co., TX(?) m: Mar 12, 1813 in Madison Co., AL .............. 4 Mary Frances HARPER b: Abt. 1792 in VA? .................. +James WEBB b: Aug 27, 1793 d: Aft. 1860 m: Bef. 1815 .............. 4 Margary HARPER b: Bet. 1800 - 1810 .................. +Berry WEBB b: Bet. 1800 - 1810 m: Bef. 1825 .............. 4 Josiah HARPER b: Bet. 1804 - 1807 in VA d: Aug 31, 1868 in Archer, Pickens Co., AL .................. +Elizabeth A. HANKS d: 1834 Father: Rev. A. M. HANKS .............. *2nd Wife of Josiah HARPER: .................. +Elizabeth C. LAND b: Jan 6, 1822 in Spartanburg District, SC d: Feb 24, 1895 in Spring Hill, (Archer?) Pickens Co., AL m: Jun 19, 1838 in Probably Pickens Co., AL Father: James LAND Mother: Charlotte COLEMAN .............. 4 Rev. Thomas Philip HARPER b: Bet. 1806 - 1807 in Va/ .................. +Mary L. SHIPMAN b: Bet. 1819 - 1820 in New Jersey(?) m: May 10, 1838 in Greene County, AL .............. 4 William HARPER, (Sr.?) b: Feb 22, 1810 in AL d: Feb 2, 1873 in Winston County, MS .................. +Lucinda B. FULLER b: May 15, 1811 in TN d: Mar 27, 1894 in Winston County, MS m: Sep 13, 1832 in Tuscaloosa County, AL ........ 3 Sarah PAYNE ............ +William BROWN m: Dec 7, 1789 in Bedford Co., VA ... 2 Flayle PAYNE, Jr. ... 2 Peter PAYNE ... 2 Joanna PAYNE ....... +William MCCOY m: Aug 16, 1781 in Bedford Co., VA Reply to troy_harper@bigfoot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norm and Linda Payne" <normlindapayne@earthlink.net> To: <PAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 5:32 PM Subject: John Payne > In response to a message from Marilyne Short Payne... > > It was stated John Payne married Mildred "Millie" Haynes and both were born > in North Carolina. This John was actually John Payne, Jr. and he was born in > either Frederick County, Maryland or Bedford County, Virginia. He was the > son of John and Mary Payne. Millie Haynes was born in Bedford County, > Virginia and she and John Payne were married in that county before removing > to Georgia. > > None of John Payne and Mildred "Millie" Haynes' parents or children were > born in North Carolina. > > Norman L. Payne > >

If anyone has any info on the following please let me know. Thanks, John W. Wells lagoon@knology.net 1. Elzina1 Payne. She married Andrew Bertels. Child of Elzina Payne and Andrew Bertels is: + 2 i. Mary Dolley2 Bertels.

In response to a message from Marilyne Short Payne... It was stated John Payne married Mildred "Millie" Haynes and both were born in North Carolina. This John was actually John Payne, Jr. and he was born in either Frederick County, Maryland or Bedford County, Virginia. He was the son of John and Mary Payne. Millie Haynes was born in Bedford County, Virginia and she and John Payne were married in that county before removing to Georgia. None of John Payne and Mildred "Millie" Haynes' parents or children were born in North Carolina. Norman L. Payne

Sorry list but if Barb is on the list, I'm trying to find you, e-addy is outdated. Mamie

Don, Diane and Ray have asked me different questions which can probably be answered in the following records I have from the Sabine Co. TX Historical Society--with special thanks to Blanche Toole not only for the records found on LDS microfiche but for her personal correspondence which included copies of printed family history. (6 years ago) John Payne md Mildred "Millie" Haynes. Both noted as b. NC. No dates. Their son, John M. Payne, b. 4 Mar 1784 NC, d 14 Oct 1848 Geneva, Sabine TX. md Margaret "Peggy" Rush Williams 21 Mar 1805 Monticello GA. She b. 8 Jul 1787 Franklin Co. NC, d. 7 Dec 1857 Geneva, Sabine TX. (John was a JP and later served in the state congress) Their Children: Epperson Duke Payne b. 1810 Bibb Co. GA, md Jane Caroline Russell 24 Dec 1825 in Selma, Dallas AL. He died 8 Oct 1840 Sabine Co. TX. ("Epps" served at the battle of San Jacinto) Teresa Payne b abt 1812, and Emily Payne b abt 1814. Neither of these appear in TX. Benjamin William Payne b 8 Mar 1818 Green Co. GA, md Ursa Ann Roberts in Sabine Co. TX 1844. He died 1859 Sabine Co TX. Their children: Margaret Amanda b 1845 Epperson Duke b 1847 Sarah Agnes b. 1849 Benjamin Rush b 1853 William Emmett b 1856 Mary Emily b1858 Mary Rush Payne b 1823, md John H. McRae 1839 in Milam, Sabine TX John Payne Jr. b 13 Mar 1824 GA, d 30 Nov 1872 Sabine Co TX. md Mahala Ann Oliphint 30 Oct 1844. I haven't worked on this genealogy in several years. I am looking for descendents of William Emmett Payne's 9 children. Marilyne Short Payne

I will be out of the office from November 28, returning December 4. I will be checking e-mail sporadically in my absence. Thank you, Whitney Waters

Hi Payne researchers, Has anyone received this message and then been successful in your search? I typed in "Payne" and there were no search results and I know that there were Payne's in the county. Thanks, Nancy Payne Masimer WESTMORELAND COUNTY, VIRGINIA WILLS, 1654-1800 Located on the Potomac River, Westmoreland County was created in 1653 from Northumberland County. It was home to such prominent figures as George Washington and Robert E. Lee. This database contains abstracts from wills probated in Westmoreland from its beginnings in 1654 to 1800. Researchers may find information about the deceased, his or her living heirs, his or her occupation, and other such facts.Source Information: Lineages, Inc., comp. "Westmoreland County, Virginia Wills, 1654-1800." [database online] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2000. Records transcribed from LDS Family History Library microfilm copies of wills for this locality. To search this database, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4900.htm

Lewis, thanks for the site. My husband's PAYNE family came from John Payne, NC, this is where I stalled out, have you seen HOW MANY John Paynes there are--everywhere! Son, John Payne, b. NC, md GA, moved with grown family to Sabine Co. TX 1830, just in time for TX history. I have taken the distaff side back to Benjamin Rush (not the signer of the Declaration of Independence) in the VA colony. I'm looking for family that's more recent, children of William Emmet Payne (1856-1929), the siblings of my husband's father, Henry "Earl" Payne. They are last recorded in Trinity Co. TX 1910 census with their mother, Elizabeth Larkin Payne. Laura b. 12/1878; Annie b. 8/1884; Rush b. 1887 d. New Orleans c1917(had 8 girls); Henry Earl (our family) b. 7/1889 d. 12/55 CA; Dorothy (Dot) b. 1891; Rex b 3/1894 WW1 vet moved to MS; Pearl b. 9/1896; Tom b. 1/1899 said to have died Boulder CO on a military base; Johnny or Tommy b 1902. Marilyne Short Payne

Good morning folks; I just recieved this web site of The Official Federal Land Patent Records Site-- http://www.glorecords.blm.gov It has some Paynes in Ohio who purchased land in the early 1800's ( thats the only state I've checked You can search for any state and county . I've found out if you search for the surname in the state you want you recieve a more complete list. Good luck in you search. My Payne connection is My Grandfather on my mother side -Edmond Lee Payne of Ross County, Ohio Lewis Eby Jr.

Here is another letter from Joyce, David ----Original Message Follows---- From: Mamajoice@aol.com To: otime@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Payne Geneology Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:10:00 EST Yes, I know that the great-grandfather of my husband came from Franklin County, Ga. Carnesville, probably. He is the one that is supposed to have killed the carpetbagger. I certainly will pass on any information that I uncover, and will forward the b-dates and d-dates that I have, after the holiday. This is important to me because my husband is confined with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and congestive heart failure, and frankly, tracking his family is the most interested he has been in anything, outside of TV, and that is a mind-killer. Families have a tendency to use the same family names, which is why I pursued the Johns' in your geneology, to begin with. I had already tracked everything off the computer, and found some really interesting things, but then when I found your website, and you had the same thing I did, except that you had more information, and the interesting notation about J.M. Payne being buried in Georgia. I should tell you that I found the additional info about the 'deafness' in the family interesting. I had thought these family trees would be the perfect place to insert those kind of medical facts, for generations to follow. I am similtaneously tracking my family ancestors, Macons from Alabama and Polks from Darlington, S. C.---the Macons and the Paynes have an interesting coincidence in that both families had members who got property through Indian Land Lotteries. The Macons got Creek land, and the Paynes got Cherokee land. I have laughed that if it were really possible, we could document everyone being connected back to Adam and Eve--the more you find out, the more you want to know. Have a great holiday. Joyce. _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

I received these mailings from Joyce and I havent heard of this before and wander if anyone can help her. Paynes by MamaJoice From: Mamajoice@aol.com Save Address - Block Sender To: otime@hotmail.com Save Address Subject: Payne Geneology Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:14:57 EST Reply Reply All Forward Delete Previous Next Close My husband's grandfather was John Wesley Payne, son of Jesse M. Payne of Franklin, Ga. The family story is that Jesse M. shot a carpetbagger, fled to TN, changed his name to James M., and subsequently came to Texas. He was married when he fled to TN, had at least one child, and had another, John Wesley, while he was in TN. The wife that is listed when he got to TX, was Mary Kate Mabry, and I can find one listing on Ancestry.com, for the combination of Mary Kate Mabry and Jesse Messer Payne. The problem arises because it shows the same birth date, same parents, etc. as Jesse Messer Payne, with Mahala Sartain. Do you have any knowledge of this? My thought is that not only did Jesse M. change his name in TN, but that of his wife as well. If you have any information to share on this, I would be so grateful. My e-mail is mamajoice@aol.com. My name is Joyce Polston Payne, and my husband is Edward M. Payne, Jr. Please do what ever you think you need to do to get any information on this. This tale of killing the carpetbagger and fleeing from Georgia is one I have heard since I have been a member of this family---and, that is over 50years. Only lately have I heard that he fled to TN, instead of coming straight to Texas. I just have a 'mystery-solving' kind of mind, and when I came across the 2 Jesse Messer Paynes, with the data matching, except for the wives, and then no further could I track Mary Kate Mabry---her history is recent ---as far as I could tell, though I was told that she has a connection with a Russell Mabry, and that that history was from Ephraim (4)---but, there doesn't seem to be a connection that I can find and verify. Frankly, if I were fleeing with a family, I would change all the records and names. The fact that bears on his having been in Tennessee is that John Wesley was born there. Thanks a lot, and I wish us both a lot of luck. Joyce Payne. I realized after I signed off yesterday that you did ask for more information and I will give you what I have, which isn't much. It did occur to me, last night, something that is a little strange. John Wesley Payne, my husband's grandfather, was 17 years younger than the brother that lived in Waco, James Franklin Payne. James F. Payne had a son, James Franklin Payne, Jr. What struck me last night, and I really do not know why I never thought of it before is this: these 2 brothers, John Wesley and James Franklin lived in town for years and never spent time together. The families were so separated that one side didn't even know about the other! A cousin explained that it was because of the dread "killed a carpetbagger' business and the need to protect the father: Jesse M. Payne/James M. Payne----that is maybe the deal in the beginning, but hardly plausible in these more enlightened times. The other thing that struck me was that in the John Wesley side of the family the custom has been to give the family watch, bible, etc., to the eldest son, and on down. But, John Wesley wasn't the oldest son in the family! My father-in-law was the oldest son of John Wesley and received the family watch, bible and when he died, the watch and bible came to my husband, and will go to our son, who is the oldest grandson. I'm just wondering if this was a family tradition from how far back---history tells us that in European families the first son gets it all and we just assumed that this was a carryover----but, it hit me last evening that John Wesley was not the first son! Have to track this down. I will forward after Thanksgiving the birth-dates and death-dates of the 2 brothers---and any other information I find. I will tell you though, that the father of those 2 brothers is buried in Lone Oak cemetery, Texas. Wouldn't it be interesting if James M. Payne buried in Georgia, is just a headstone? Joyce P. Payne. Thanks, David S. Payne View my surnames and complete file at: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=otime Searching for surnames mostly in Upstate SC/GA: ADDISON, ALLISON, ARENDALE/ARENDELL/ARENDALL, CANADY, COLEMAN, CORBIN, COX, CRAIG, DEAN, FOWLER, GILLILAN, HALEY, GORDON, GRAY, HENSON, JAMES, McMILLIAN, McPHERSON, MOODY, NEWTON, PARKER, PASSMORE, PATTERSON, PAYNE, POINDEXTER, REDWINE, REID, ROY, SHIRES, SWANN, WEST, WHITMIRE, WOODALL _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

We really appreciate it. Thanks so much, Edie Sando -----Original Message----- From: Don Payne <don.payne@accessone.com> To: PAYNE-L@rootsweb.com <PAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 7:45 PM Subject: Update on Col. Payne Collection, # 920 >Hi Cousins: > >I recently contacted LDS to see if our proposal, to have them coordinate with the University of Virginia for the purpose of converting the information in the Payne Collection to a usable format for Payne family researchers, was still under consideration. They said yes and that we should be hearing from them pretty soon. >That was about three weeks ago. I'm still waiting. I did however want to give you a status report. When I learn more, I'll let you know. > >Don Payne >

Hello, I am looking to clear up a problem I have with my Paynes of Ohio. Hopefully someone out there is a cuzzie or knows more than I do. My problem is with my ggrandmother.I know who she is thru my grandmothers birth cert. The problem is her(Bertha's)husband. Differant sources list him as Lorenzo D. PAYNE or Alonzo PAYNE BUT the sources also list differant siblings,I have checked census,local newspapers,etc.But I cannot rule out either one. This is one possibility: 1 Lorenzo D. Payne . +Alice Higgins b: 1863 Father: William Higgins Mother: Elizabeth .......... 2 Charles Payne b: 1880 .......... 2 Bertha Alice Payne b: March 20, 1883 in Aid Township,Lawrence County.Ohio d: January 09, 1939 This is the other. Alonzo PAYNE (son of Elliott,Ellis,John Benton,Thomas,Flayl,Thomas)b.1856 in Lawrence County,Ohio d. 1896 in Ohio m. 8/4/1881 Minerva THORNTON.b. 1859 in NY d.1934 in Ohio 1)Bertha Alice PAYNE b. 3/1883 2)Orin PAYNE b.1891 m. Verga Brown Thanks for anyhelp you might be able to give with this. Jennifer

Is it possible that Palin could be the same as Paine and Paylin the same as Payne? Anyway you will find some old 1700s deeds for this name at Pasquotank,NC http://www.usgennet.org/usa/nc/county/pasquotank/webbbs/deeds/index.cgi diane Pasquotank County www.usgennet.org/usa/nc/county/pasquotank

Has anyone lost a Joseph PAYNE/PAINE born about 1762 somewhere in England. Joseph, my ggg grandfather, who was a widower at that time (what happened to his first wife?) married Jane Rowe in the village of Great Addington, NTH, ENG 29 March 1813. As there are no details in the parish registers of Great Addington for either Joseph or Jane they may well have come to Great Addington from another place/parish. Family tradition states that our PAYNE/PAINE family originated in Thrapston, NTH, ENG which is close to Great Addington but now that I know that all civil registrations for Great Addington are entitled "Registration District of Oundle and Thrapston in the sub-district of Thrapston in the County of Northampton I am wondering whether that's where the tradition concerning Thrapston comes from. So, has, anyone lost a Joseph PAYNE/PAINE from Thrapston (as that's still possible) or anywhere in England? Jim Jim & Bev Payne NEW ZEALAND jr_bjpayne@xtra.co.nz

I forwarding this message which was returned to me undeliverable. I hope to find "bigdaddy49@ky.freei.net" or anyone else with information. Thanks. Leslie Alderman nasalla@aol.com ____________________________________________________________________ From: NASALLA@aol.com Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 23:00:46 EST Subject: Payne File on Ancestry.com To: bigdaddy59@ky.freei.net I found the file you provided on Sarah Norman, Reuben Payne, etc. on Ancestry.com. You are the first to confirm what I thought was the case ... that Sarah married Joseph Keen after the death of Reuben. However, you show just the America born in 1836. I knew that my gggrandmother was America Payne, daughter of Reuben and Sarah. However, I knew her year of birth of 1851. This is on her death certificate and on her tombstone in Des Moines. Also knew she was married to James Hood. I finally had some clarification re: this year of birth confusion with information from another researcher. She had handwritten notes from an aunt over 20 years ago (who descended from the Addison Payne line in Sullivan county, MO) stating that the 1836 America died (date unknown) and that the name was reused with the daughter born in 1851. I have some confirmation of this from the 1860 census record for Joseph Keen in Monroe County. In addition to it, it lists Sarah, Ibby Payne, and America Payne. Ibby was 2-3 years older than America. She was born in 1848. Hope this helps. It was a great help for me to see Joseph Keen. Leslie nasalla@aol.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <> Received: from rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (rly-yb01.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.1]) by air-yb02.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.23) with ESMTP; Thu, 09 Nov 2000 23:17:47 -0500 Received: from imo-r11.mail.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.19) with ESMTP; Thu, 09 Nov 2000 23:17:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost) by imo-r11.mail.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0) with internal id WAC04126; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 23:17:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 23:17:22 -0500 (EST) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@aol.com> Subject: Returned mail: Cannot send message within 1 day Message-Id: <200011100417.WAC04126@imo-r11.mail.aol.com> To: NASALLA@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="WAC04126.973829842/imo-r11.mail.aol.com" Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure)

Searching for info regarding Henry PAYNE b. about 1760 m Rachel THOMPSON b.1766. They were married 12-17-1795 in Orange county NC they had 8 known children. John b.about 1795 Mary b.1796 m James Martin ARMSTRONG James b. 1797 Joseph b.1798 Jenny b.1800-1810 Elizabeth b. about 1809 Andrew b. 1813 Abigail b. 1820 It is thought they migrated to TN around 1810 as the last 4 children were born in TN and Henry died there in 1837 Debbie Jennings debbiej@iquest.net "Following the footprints through time"

Hello Don, Thanks for the update. I am sure I speak for many (all) Payne researchers when I say I appreciate the initiative you have taken on our behalf to make the Payne material more accessible to all. Thanks very much! Teddy (Gray) Brock Don Payne Wrote: Subject: Update on Col. Payne Collection, # 920 Hi Cousins: I recently contacted LDS to see if our proposal, to have them coordinate with the University of Virginia for the purpose of converting the information in the Payne Collection to a usable format for Payne family researchers, was still under consideration. They said yes and that we should be hearing from them pretty soon. That was about three weeks ago. I'm still waiting. I did however want to give you a status report. When I learn more, I'll let you know. Don Payne >

Hi Cousins: I recently contacted LDS to see if our proposal, to have them coordinate with the University of Virginia for the purpose of converting the information in the Payne Collection to a usable format for Payne family researchers, was still under consideration. They said yes and that we should be hearing from them pretty soon. That was about three weeks ago. I'm still waiting. I did however want to give you a status report. When I learn more, I'll let you know. Don Payne