At 10:08 AM 5/18/01 -0400, you wrote: >Would appreciate information/clues concerning the five years that Robert Payne (d. abt. 1675) went by a "borrowed" name of Davies/Davis. Does anyone know the reasons? Dear John, One possible answer, and one that is supported by numerous examples of like individuals, is that Robert assumed this alias after having been apprenticed out to a man by the name of Davies and simply adopting the surname. However, I think there may be another answer in this case. Firstly, if we are to go strictly by the document whereby his alias is revealed to the Rappahannock County Vestry, we must assume that he only used the alias during his term as Clerk (1662-1666), or a period of about "five yeares." If that were so, then it would seem to suggest that he had used the alias to hide his identity ONLY for that purpose for some unknowable reason. In this case, the real question would be- Why would he want to hide the name of PAYNE? To answer that, I'd suggest looking at what was happening in the region during that period- politically and religously. Or it is also possible that he just wanted to disassociate himself from the name PAYNE for a more personal reason. Perhaps some falling out with the family? In that case, perhaps there are clues to be found in published texts on the family. Secondly, there were some documented incidents where sons of prominent families used aliases during their indentures or apprenticeships- at least during that time. In Robert's case, he was certainly not among those men during the period of 1662-1666. However, he may have been apprenticed or indentured to a man by the name of Davies earlier in his life and adopted the name as a convenience while a member of the vestry. Again, this would suggest some reason for wanting to hide the name of PAYNE. Robert, as I recall, was well up in years by this time, dying a few years later. Yet he married a young girl, Elizabeth Lawson, who would have otherwise been orphaned. Given his age at the time, and the typical age of indenture or apprenticeship was roughly 16 years, we can assume that if Robert had in fact been in those circumstances during his youth, that it would have occured sometime in the 1620s. I have his estimated birth date as 1604, giving his age at death 71. Robert counted among his friends, Archdale Combs, Abraham Combs and John Meader. In at least the case of Abraham Combs, we know his birth date occurred during that time frame. I bring this all up because of something that I brought up a few years ago that I can't let go of. In the 1621 will of John Rolfe (husband of Pocahontas), said to have been a Norfolk man, he names a servant by the name of Robert DAVIES. This may have been innocent enough when taken by itself, but then consider that in 1626 a William PAYNE was writing to Lord Edward Conway in England asking for his support with a petition to the King regarding several "inventions" he had developed for use in Virginia. One of these "inventions" had been a method of producing tobacco to equal the quality of the Spanish variety. The SAME invention (in almost identical wording) attributed to John Rolfe. Now it starts to become more than innocent coincidence in my book. There are other reasons why I believe the door is open to the possibility that Robert Payne was this Robert Davies, but I'll spare them for now as this is going to be long enough as it is. But if your agreeable to consider the possibility for a moment, then we still have to ask, why the name of DAVIES was chosen? This is obviously speculation on my part (and I know how that is frowned upon by some- but how else do we discover things if we don't consider the possibilities?), but in searching out information on the Davies family and possible connections with the Paynes, this is what I've discovered:- There was a John and a Robert Davies involved in the early settlements in America. Namely, the Popham Colony founded in 1607 along the Kennebec River in what is now Maine. They were mariners, associated with other great mariner names from the area of Devonshire. One man of the name, Sir John DAVIE(S) (1612-1678) of Creedy, Devon., married Amy, daughter of Edward Parker of Boringdon, Plympton, Devon. Amy married, after the death of Sir John, Sir Nicholas SLANNING (1641-1693) of Maristow, Tamerton Foliot, Devon. Slannings 1st wife, married on 4 Nov 1662, had been Anne, daughter of Sir George and Elizabeth de CARTERET. Her father was later elevated to title of Baron Carteret, and he was given the Charters for New Jersey and North Carolina, of which, his family maintained possession until the Revolutionary War. Anne de CARTERET'S brother, Philip, married Jemimah, daughter of Edward MONTAGU, 1st Earl of Sandwich, who had been the boss of Sir George Carteret in the Admiralty. The marriage between Philip and Jemimah had been arranged by Samuel PEPYS, Treasurer of the Admiralty under Lord MONTAGU and also a close friend of Sir George CARTERET. Now here is the key which would tie all of this together and perhaps give us what we need to identify Robert PAYNE alias DAVIES. Sir Robert PAYNE of St. Neots, Hunts. had been the protege of Edward Montagu, Earl of Sandwich according to at least two reputable sources- "Victorias History of the Counties of England- Huntingdonshire," and "The King and the Gentleman," Derek Wilson, a well-known, if not fully reliable English biographer. But it seems certain in this case that Sir Robert and his family did in fact maintain a close relationship with the Montagu family as well as with the RUSSELL'S and CROMWELL'S. Records also show that the Paynes of Hunts. had held land there of the Earl of Sandwich. Sir George Carteret's family was from Jersey in the Channel Islands where his family had intermarried with Payns since the 1300s and the two families had maintained relationships right up through the 17th-century. I suspect that it was this tie between the Paynes of Hunts. and the Payns of Jersey that has been the source of the confusion regarding the Paynes of Virginia's claim to a coat-of-arms that was granted to a descendant of the Jersey family- Ralph Payne, Lord Lavington. Sir Robert's arms were completely different- but this in NO WAY excludes the possibility of a relationship between the two families I might add. In any case, here is one possible explanation for the use of the alias DAVIES that makes some sense. A search of shipping records from the early 17th-century often shows the names of Payne and Davies together and it would appear that there may have been some Payne involvement at Fort St. George, Pophams Colony- although I am still pulling this data together. Additionally, it would fit the scenario well if Robert had been a son of Sir Robert Payne of Hunts. and wanted to disguise the fact during his apprenticeship under some merchant or mariner associated with his father (an adventurer in the London Company himself, who appears to have been involved in the tobacco trade if he was the man licensed to sell tobacco in Bedfordshire and Gloucestershire). But to return to John Rolfe, it is important for us to also know that he had a KNOWN affiliation with the Payne family long before his death. In 1609, Rolfe had been a passenger aboard the famous SEAVENTURE bound for Virginia when it was shipwrecked on the coast of Bermuda during a "Tempest." This story parcipatated Shakespeares play "The Tempest." On the voyage, Rolfe had been a member of the camp belonging to Sir Thomas Gates, another Norfolk man, and 1st Governor of Virginia. Another member of his camp with Rolfe had been a "gentleman" by the name of Henry Payne, whom I suspect had also been a Norfolk man. There were some 140 total passengers and the "camp's" were divided between that of Sir Thomas Gates and that of Sir George Somers. If we half the numbers between them, we're looking at roughly 70 men per camp. Given that Henry Payne and John Rolfe were gentleman of the camp, we can narrow down further that given their status it would have been next to impossible for the men not to have at least known each other. The same can be said for another passenger aboard- Stephen Hopkins, who was along on the trip as an assistant minister. Surely, ministers in that day did a much better job than they do today when it comes to knowing their congregations! Hopkins returned to England before returning to America, with a different wife, as a Pilgrim aboard the MAYFLOWER in 1620. He settled in Massachusetts where his granddaughter, Mary Snow, married Thomas PAYNE, a member of the Suffolk branch of the Payne family that had settled there and became proprietors of the iron works at Lynn on the Saugus River- a family well-connected to the WINTHROP'S of the Massachusetts Bay Colony founded by them in 1630 (as opposed to Hopkins, a member of the Plymouth Colony 1620). Sir Thomas Gates was the son of Peter Gates of High Easter, Essex by his wife Mary JOSSELYN of Oakington, Cambridgeshire. They appear to have settled in Norwich, Norfolk, where they were married in 1573. They were descended from Geoffrey Gates of Walton or Waltham, Essex, by his wife Elizabeth, daughter of William WALSINGHAM and Joyce DENNY. Upon the death of Geoffrey Gates in 1553, his widow Elizabeth (nee Walsingham) Gates married Peter WENTWORTH, the son of Sir Nicholas Wentworth of Lillingstone Lovell, Oxon., and Jane JOSSELYN of Hyde Hall, Sawbridgeworth, Herts. The first wife of Peter Wentworth had been Lettice, daughter of Sir Ralph LANE of Orlingbury, Northants., by his wife Maud, daughter of William, 1st Baron PARR, of Horton. Lettice's brother, Capt. Ralph LANE, had been the Gov. Virginia 1585-6, during the time of Sir Walter RALEGH'S colony at ROANOKE, where, on the 1587 muster, we find Henry and Rose PAYNE. Sources on the Roanoke Colony are fairly unanimous in concluding that the members of the 1587 colony had been almost exclusively friends and relatives of one another (something else to consider entirely). However, another brother of Lettice and Capt. Ralph Lane, Robert Lane, 1st married Catherine, daughter of Sir Roger COPELEY of Gatton, and Elizabeth SHELLEY, and the sister of Bridget Copeley, who married Sir Richard SOUTHWELL, alias DARCY, the son of Sir Richard Southwell of London and Wood Rising, Norf., and Mary Darcy. Significantly, Sir Richard had been married previously to Thomasine, daughter of Roger DARCY and Elizabeth WENTWORTH, the aunt of Nicholas Wentworth who married Jane Josselyn. More significantly, for our purposes anyway, Thomasine Darcy was the sister of Thomas, 1st Baron Darcy, who married first, Audrey RAINSFORD, sister of Julian Rainsford, who married William, son of George WALDEGRAVE by his wife, Anna, daughter of Sir Robert DRURY and Anne CALTHORPE. Sir Robert Drury had been the prior owner of the "Ellesmere" manuscript of Geoffrey Chaucer's "The Canterbury Tales" which afterwards was owned by Henry PAYNE, Esq., Lord of the Manor of Nowton, Suffolk, son of William Payne, bailiff of Hengrave to the 3rd Duke of Buckingham, and the grandson of Thomas Payne of Market Bosworth, Leicestershire. This is important to us because the Paynes of Suffolk had been close with the DRURY family. On the death of Henry Payne in 1568, he willed his Chaucer manuscript to Sir Giles Alington, the grandson of Ursula Drury, daughter of Sir Robert Drury named above. Anna Drury's husband, George, had been the son of William Waldegrave by Margery Wentworth, the sister of Dorothy Wentworth, whose husband, John SPRING, was the brother of Annie Spring, mother of Elizabeth JERMYN, who married Thomas PLAYTERS of Sotterley, Suffolk. You might recall that Anthony PAYNE, son of John PAYNE and Frances SPRING, had married an Alice, daughter of William PLAYTERS, Esq., also of Sotterley, Suffolk. We've covered some ground here, but we still have a long way to go! To summarize, I have attempted to show, whether you interpret it as fantasy or not, how Robert Payne, alias Davies, had been associated with Sir Robert Payne of St. Neots, Hunts. (who did in fact have a son Robert born in 1604), and have gone on to associate them with the Paynes of Suffolk (who settled in Mass.), and of Jersey (who later settled in the West Indies after a period in Devon.). In addition, I've included some details about the Paynes of Leicestershire from whom the branch in Suffolk descended. That is a quick summary... I want to close this with something a bit more solid though. Thomas, 1st Baron Darcy, married again after his marriage with Audrey Rainsford. His 2nd wife was Elizabeth, daughter of John de VERE, 15th Earl of Oxford (a family also associated with the Paynes of Leicestershire), and by her Lord Darcy was the grandfather of Sir Henry Darcy, who had conveyed his lands in Medloe, Hunts., to one Robert Payne in the early 16th-century. I believe this Robert was one of the elder sons of Sir Thomas Payne of Market Bosworth. Why? Consider this: Sir Henry Darcy's 2nd wife had been Catherine, daughter of Sir John FERMOR of Easton Neston, Northamptonshire, by Maud VAUX, daughter of Nicholas, 1st Lord Vaux of Great Harrowden, Northants. Catherine Fermor had been a widow when she married Sir Henry Darcy. Her first husband had been Michael PULTENEY of Misterton, Leicestershire, and it might be remembered that Sir Thomas Payne of that county had married Margaret, daughter of Sir Thomas PULTENEY, also of Misterton, Leicestershire... I currently have over 250 pages detailing these and a host of like connections bringing the following PAYNE branches together quite nicely: Leicestershire; Suffolk (later Mass.); Huntingdonshire (later Va.?); Norfolk (later Mass. and Md.?); Jersey (later St. Kitts and Va.?); Gloucestershire (later Va.?); Herefordshire (later Mass.); and Berkshire (later Mass. and Va.?). Admittedly, my research has been, by necessity, one of mostly secondary nature. However, I have managed to conduct some primary research as well in the two trips I've managed to finance to England. While it by no means can be considered "fact" just yet, it certainly looks very promising as I hope I have been able to briefly demonstrate here. I have not mentioned many of the great finds, such as finding William Payne of the iron works in Mass. involved with the friends and relatives of John Payne in Virginia! I am dedicating a chapter to each of the branches named above beginning in England and then devoting chapters to the colonies. I also hope to reprint J. Bertrand Paynes "An Armorial of Jersey," as it pertains to the Payne family there. I hope to accomplish three things with this work:- 1) Awaken a new-found interest in Payne research from the earliest times in both England and America. 2) open the door to continued research bringing the branches together. 3) initiating a cooperative effort among researchers everywhere by forming a research Society (yes- based on membership dues!) in order to finance the costly primary research remaining. Individually, we can only accomplish so much. Unless we happen to be independently wealthy enough to invest potentially tens of thousands of $$$ because we are consumed with knowing the truth, then we don't have much choice than to combine our efforts under a structured effort. It has been over 70 years since any work of real magnitude has been produced on the Payne family. Yet in that 70 years, very little progress has been made. We may be filling some holes in our family trees, but by and large, we are missing the real meat and potatoes of the legacy left to us. For us to conclude that these families "bore no relationship whatsoever" (to quote from nearly every published Payne genealogy to date), simply because they don't reach out to one another in records as we'd like, is to turn our back on our history. If it can be shown that time-and-time again, Paynes were linked through common social circles, business and other sources, would it not benefit us to explore them in detail? Is it not conceivable that, given the times, politics, religion, distance and difference, might account for the lack of contact between the branches, despite a relationship between them? When was the last time you contacted your 1st cousin (or brother/sister for that matter)? Is he (or she) mentioned in your will? If that relative cheated you in business, fought against you and your friends on issues of politics or religion, would you associate yourself with them? These are some of the same issues that our ancestors had to deal with that I think we have overlooked. Many other families have been organized into societies for a long time now with great success. The Montagu, Shirley and Palgrave families come to mind. Their subscribers make it possible to fund primary research by hiring professionals to do the leg work or make it possible for appointed members to undertake it. Think how much more BOOST Don Payne would have if he had an organization behind him in negotiating with the LDS regarding the files of Brooke Payne for example. When I think of all the investment of time and money I've put in over just a few brief years, I would gladly spend the equivalent of one book purchase to contribute to an organized effort. It's an investment with much greater potential return to me than any NASDAQ stock. Certainly more satisfying... Regards, Patrick Payne the new Payne on the Neck of Virginia :-)

Hello Paynes/Paine and family members, here is a list of what I have gather and any help you can give me will be appreciated. my e-mail address: dpayne@mindspring Descendants of ? Wesley Paine 1 ? Wesley Paine 1820 - 1860 .. +Margaret Booth 1830 - ......... 2 P.R. Paine ......... 2 Theodore Wesley Payne 1855 - 1917 ............. +Nancy Armendia Lucinda Coldoneic Jane Strain 1863 - 1943 .................... 3 [59] Wesley Moton Paine 1881 - 1967 ............................... 4 [1] Nathan Payne 1905 - 1968 ................................... +[10] Beatrice Sisk ........................................... 5 [11] William Jennings Payne 1935 - ............................................... +[12] Cathy Finley 1928 - ............................... *2nd Wife of [1] Nathan Payne: ................................... +[13] Katie Lee Owens 1921 - 1989 ........................................... 5 [14] Allen Lewis Payne 1938 - 1999 ............................................... +[15] Shirley Ann Tidwell 1944 - ...................................................... 6 [16] Mark Allen Payne 1964 - .......................................................... +[17] Ginger Hammonds ................................................................. 7 [18] Jori Elizabeth Payne ................................................................. 7 [19] Chase Allen Payne 1989 - ........................................... 5 [20] Clarence Oliver Payne 1942 - ............................................... +[21] Laura Mae Adair 1945 - ...................................................... 6 [22] Rhonda Lynn Payne 1965 - ................................................................. 7 [23] Laura Payne ................................................................. 7 [24] Thomas Payne ...................................................... 6 [25] Michael Nathan Payne 1967 - .......................................................... +[26] Heather ........................................... 5 [27] Virginia Elizabeth Payne 1945 - 1946 ........................................... 5 [28] Billie Jean Payne 1946 - ............................................... +[29] Jimmy Hubert McDaniel 1944 - ...................................................... 6 [30] Judi Gayle McDaniel 1964 - .......................................................... +[31] Jim Leirer ................................................................. 7 [32] Kristin Alicia Leirer ................................................................. 7 [33] Brandon Micheal Leirer 1982 - ...................................................... 6 [34] Jimmy Dale McDaniel 1965 - 1965 ...................................................... 6 [35] Ricky Wayne McDaniel 1966 - .......................................................... +[36] Shelley Ann Howell 1969 - ...................................................... 6 [37] Sandra Lynn McDaniel 1971 - .......................................................... +[38] John McGathey ................................................................. 7 [39] Johnathan Douglas McGathey 1989 - ................................................................. 7 [40] Casey Danielle McGathey 1992 - ........................................... 5 [2] Charlotte Ann Payne 1947 - ............................................... +[41] Wayne Black ........................................... *2nd Husband of [2] Charlotte Ann Payne: ............................................... +[42] Samuel Eugene McDaniel 1946 - ...................................................... 6 [43] Karen Louise McDaniel 1965 - .......................................................... +[44] Bill Wayne Atkins ................................................................. 7 [45] Chancellor Wayne Atkins 1990 - ................................................................. 7 [46] Katelyn Elizabeth Akins 1991 - ...................................................... 6 [47] Sharon Ann McDaniel 1968 - .......................................................... +[48] Keith Smith ................................................................. 7 [49] Ashley Smith ................................................................. 7 [50] Kelsey Reagan Smith 1991 - ...................................................... 6 [51] Jason Randall McDaniel 1975 - ........................................... 5 [52] Juanita Payne 1948 - 1948 ........................................... 5 [53] Charles Ray Payne 1949 - 1959 ........................................... 5 [54] Veliene Payne 1954 - ............................................... +[55] Larry Wayne Webster 1953 - ...................................................... 6 [56] Lauren Veliene Webster 1990 - ........................................... 5 [57] Clarese Marie Payne ........................................... 5 [58] Virginia Elizabeth Payne 1945 - 1946 ........................ +Nettie Elizabeth McKee - Abt. 1956 ............................... 4 Oliver Payne ............................... 4 [8] Russell Moton Payne 1901 - 1974 ................................... +Frona Tyler ........................................... 5 [7] Joe Russell Payne 1930 - ............................................... +Jewell Chandler ...................................................... 6 [3] Clyde Lavell Payne 1952 - .......................................................... +Janice Butts ................................................................. 7 Tammy Marie Payne ..................................................................... +David Westbrooks ............................................................................ 8 Davin Westbrooks ...................................................... *2nd Wife of [3] Clyde Lavell Payne: .......................................................... +Wanda Renee Duke ................................................................. 7 Kaleb Lavell Payne ................................................................. 7 Kyle Eugene Payne ...................................................... 6 Joe Russell Payne Jr. 1956 - .......................................................... +Debra Gail Rucker ................................................................. 7 Joe Russell Payne III 1981 - ................................................................. 7 Joseph Clayon Payne 1984 - ...................................................... 6 [4] Mary Jo Payne 1949 - .......................................................... +? Isabell ................................................................. 7 Hullon DeWayne Isabell 1967 - ..................................................................... +Stefanie Wynn ...................................................... *2nd Husband of [4] Mary Jo Payne: .......................................................... +James W. Ford 1949 - ...................................................... 6 Carrie Sue Payne .......................................................... +William Cavin Rharbrough ................................................................. 7 Wanda Sue Rharbrough 1966 - ............................................................................ 8 Lena Nichole Payne Rharbrough 1987 - ............................................................................ 8 Farian Lasha Holliday Rharbrough 1989 - ...................................................... 6 [5] Bonnie Payne 1955 - .......................................................... +Jimmy Goins ...................................................... *2nd Husband of [5] Bonnie Payne: .......................................................... +Roy Marcal Burks 1954 - ................................................................. 7 Donna Gail Burks 1977 - ..................................................................... +Matthew Brett Autrey ............................................................................ 8 Matthew Brett Autrey II 1993 - ............................................................................ 8 Christian Blake Autrey 1996 - ...................................................... 6 Connie Lynn Payne 1961 - .......................................................... +? Horton ...................................................... 6 [6] Jewell Dean Payne 1954 - .......................................................... +? Driver ................................................................. 7 Joe Alvin Driver 1977 - ...................................................... *2nd Husband of [6] Jewell Dean Payne: .......................................................... +? Wills ................................................................. 7 Terry Dewayne Wills 1970 - ..................................................................... +Kanda Henly ............................................................................ 8 Kimberly Wills 1989 - ............................................................................ 8 Terry Shane Wills 1990 - ............................................................................ 8 Hanna Michelle Wills 1994 - ...................................................... *3rd Husband of [6] Jewell Dean Payne: .......................................................... +Thomas Griggs Howard 1960 - ...................................................... 6 Gaylynn Delene Payne 1960 - .......................................................... +Scott Leigh Brooks 1962 - ................................................................. 7 Aaron Scott Brooks 1995 - ...................................................... 6 Sharon Ray Payne 1964 - .......................................................... +Louis Allen Rawlinson 1960 - ................................................................. 7 Jennifer Renee Rawlinson 1983 - ................................................................. 7 Michael Allen Rawlinson 1989 - ........................................... *2nd Wife of [7] Joe Russell Payne: ............................................... +Noble Bradley ........................................... 5 Jack Lowell Payne ............................................... +Ann ........................................... 5 Betty Payne ? ............................... *2nd Wife of [8] Russell Moton Payne: ................................... +Irene Sarah Smith 1901 - 1991 ........................................... 5 [9] Phillip Windell Payne 1940 - ............................................... +Carlyn Anglea Grice - Abt. 1995 ...................................................... 6 David Phillip Payne 1964 - ........................................... *2nd Wife of [9] Phillip Windell Payne: ............................................... +Jeri Sollie Abt. 1950 - ...................................................... 6 Sonya Payne Abt. 1965 - ...................................................... 6 Phillip Kevin Payne 1973 - ........................................... *3rd Wife of [9] Phillip Windell Payne: ............................................... +Debra Cristine Riley ...................................................... 6 Loni Brook Payne 1982 - ...................................................... 6 Brittney Rena Payne 1983 - ...................................................... 6 Byran Jacob Payne 1987 - ........................................... 5 James Donald Payne 1937 - ............................................... +Joyce Faye Baker 1939 - ...................................................... 6 Donald Spence Payne 1969 - ........................................... 5 Robert Bobby Payne 1938 - ............................................... +Marie ........................................... 5 Shirley Ann Payne 1941 - ............................... 4 [1] Nathan Payne 1905 - 1968 ................................... +[10] Beatrice Sisk ........................................... 5 [11] William Jennings Payne 1935 - ............................................... +[12] Cathy Finley 1928 - ............................... *2nd Wife of [1] Nathan Payne: ................................... +[13] Katie Lee Owens 1921 - 1989 ........................................... 5 [14] Allen Lewis Payne 1938 - 1999 ............................................... +[15] Shirley Ann Tidwell 1944 - ...................................................... 6 [16] Mark Allen Payne 1964 - .......................................................... +[17] Ginger Hammonds ................................................................. 7 [18] Jori Elizabeth Payne ................................................................. 7 [19] Chase Allen Payne 1989 - ........................................... 5 [20] Clarence Oliver Payne 1942 - ............................................... +[21] Laura Mae Adair 1945 - ...................................................... 6 [22] Rhonda Lynn Payne 1965 - ................................................................. 7 [23] Laura Payne ................................................................. 7 [24] Thomas Payne ...................................................... 6 [25] Michael Nathan Payne 1967 - .......................................................... +[26] Heather ........................................... 5 [27] Virginia Elizabeth Payne 1945 - 1946 ........................................... 5 [28] Billie Jean Payne 1946 - ............................................... +[29] Jimmy Hubert McDaniel 1944 - ...................................................... 6 [30] Judi Gayle McDaniel 1964 - .......................................................... +[31] Jim Leirer ................................................................. 7 [32] Kristin Alicia Leirer ................................................................. 7 [33] Brandon Micheal Leirer 1982 - ...................................................... 6 [34] Jimmy Dale McDaniel 1965 - 1965 ...................................................... 6 [35] Ricky Wayne McDaniel 1966 - .......................................................... +[36] Shelley Ann Howell 1969 - ...................................................... 6 [37] Sandra Lynn McDaniel 1971 - .......................................................... +[38] John McGathey ................................................................. 7 [39] Johnathan Douglas McGathey 1989 - ................................................................. 7 [40] Casey Danielle McGathey 1992 - ........................................... 5 [2] Charlotte Ann Payne 1947 - ............................................... +[41] Wayne Black ........................................... *2nd Husband of [2] Charlotte Ann Payne: ............................................... +[42] Samuel Eugene McDaniel 1946 - ...................................................... 6 [43] Karen Louise McDaniel 1965 - .......................................................... +[44] Bill Wayne Atkins ................................................................. 7 [45] Chancellor Wayne Atkins 1990 - ................................................................. 7 [46] Katelyn Elizabeth Akins 1991 - ...................................................... 6 [47] Sharon Ann McDaniel 1968 - .......................................................... +[48] Keith Smith ................................................................. 7 [49] Ashley Smith ................................................................. 7 [50] Kelsey Reagan Smith 1991 - ...................................................... 6 [51] Jason Randall McDaniel 1975 - ........................................... 5 [52] Juanita Payne 1948 - 1948 ........................................... 5 [53] Charles Ray Payne 1949 - 1959 ........................................... 5 [54] Veliene Payne 1954 - ............................................... +[55] Larry Wayne Webster 1953 - ...................................................... 6 [56] Lauren Veliene Webster 1990 - ........................................... 5 [57] Clarese Marie Payne ........................................... 5 [58] Virginia Elizabeth Payne 1945 - 1946 .................... *2nd Wife of [59] Wesley Moton Paine: ........................ +Birdie Anderson 1887 - 1976 ............................... 4 Bea Paine ................................... +Lawrence Folsom ........................................... 5 Judy Marion Folsom 1949 - ............................................... +Pat Jones ...................................................... 6 Tina Michelle Jones Valentine ? 1969 - ........................................... 5 Mary Jane Folsom 1947 - ............................................... +Jack Dixon ...................................................... 6 Kenneth Anthony Dixon 1963 - ...................................................... 6 Kimberly Ann Dixon 1967 - ........................................... 5 Billy Charles Folsom 1951 - ............................................... +? ...................................................... 6 Billy Charles jr. 1971 - ...................................................... 6 Brian Folsom 1972 - ...................................................... 6 Tammy Lee Folsom 1976 - ...................................................... 6 Timothy Lee Folsom 1976 - ............................... 4 Moten Paine 1911 - 1919 ............................... 4 Doug Eugene Paine 1914 - 1982 ................................... +Martha Jewell Boswell 1915 - ........................................... 5 James Terry Paine 1938 - 1989 ............................................... +Nancy Virginia Black 1942 - ...................................................... 6 Lee Scott Paine 1963 - 1989 ...................................................... 6 Rebecca Lynn Paine 1961 - ........................................... 5 Betty Christine Paine 1940 - ............................................... +Hershel Armstrong ...................................................... 6 Donald Ray Armstrong ...................................................... 6 Gerald Armstrong ........................................... 5 [60] Douglas Edward (Pete) Paine 1943 - ............................................... +Jonell Alexander ...................................................... 6 Tracy Paine .......................................................... +? Rice ...................................................... 6 Kevin Paine ........................................... *2nd Wife of [60] Douglas Edward (Pete) Paine: ............................................... +LaShaw Long ........................................... 5 Sandra Ann Paine 1948 - ............................................... +Curtis Mack Armstrong ...................................................... 6 Teresa Armstrong ...................................................... 6 Kenneth Armstrong ........................................... 5 Thomas Howard Paine 1945 - ............................................... +Elizabeth Kline ...................................................... 6 Julie Marie Paine 1969 - ...................................................... 6 Laura Paine 1975 - ...................................................... 6 Leah Suzanne Paine 1977 - ........................................... 5 George Wesley Paine 1936 - 1946 ........................................... 5 Thelma Jean Paine 1935 - 1935 ........................................... 5 [61] Roy Jackson Paine 1946 - ............................................... +Mary Sue Timmons ...................................................... 6 Wesley Jason Paine 1974 - ........................................... *2nd Wife of [61] Roy Jackson Paine: ............................................... +Barbara Louise Wallace Pilgrim ........................................... 5 [62] Janice Carol Paine 1950 - ............................................... +Durrell Harding ...................................................... 6 Deborah Harding ...................................................... 6 Deloris Harding ........................................... *2nd Husband of [62] Janice Carol Paine: ............................................... +? O'Neal ........................................... 5 David Harold Paine 1956 - ............................................... +Susan ??? ...................................................... 6 Scott Paine 1981 - ...................................................... 6 Christopher Paine ............................... 4 Hazel Augustine Paine 1916 - ................................... +Hubert McConnell 1918 - 1987 ........................................... 5 Hubert Wayne McConnell ...................................................... 6 2 Sons McConnell ........................................... 5 William Kennt ( Billy) McConnell ...................................................... 6 2 Daughters McConnell ............................... 4 Edna Estelle Paine 1919 - 1976 ................................... +John Thomas Little ........................................... 5 Carole Ann Little 1940 - ............................................... +Jack Haden Brock 1937 - ...................................................... 6 Jackie Brock .......................................................... +Larry Lawson ................................................................. 7 Jaclyn Lawson ...................................................... 6 Jack Brock ...................................................... 6 Stephen Brock ........................................... 5 Sarah Louise Little 1942 - ............................................... +George Brewster ...................................................... 6 Debbie Brewster ...................................................... 6 Tommy Brewster ...................................................... 6 Kim Brewster ........................................... 5 Richard Earl ( Ricky) Little 1945 - ............................................... +Jackie Louisa Hale 1951 - ...................................................... 6 Rikki Jacquelyn Little 1993 - ........................................... 5 Sherry Luctrica Little 1955 - ............................... 4 Charles Matthew Paine 1922 - 1991 ................................... +Frances Hood ........................................... 5 Charles Paine ............................................... +Lynn ...................................................... 6 Matt Paine Jr. ...................................................... 6 Phyllis Darlene Paine .......................................................... +? Carruth ................................................................. 7 Garrett Chase Carruth 1999 - ........................................... 5 Billy Paine ............................................... +Lou ........................................... 5 Richard Dean Paine 1941 - ............................................... +Joyce Wolfe - 2000 ...................................................... 6 Kevin Richard Paine 1970 - ........................................... 5 Joann Paine 1955 - ............................................... +Michael Wayne Stemper ...................................................... 6 Stephanie 1979 - .......................................................... +Ryan Eby ........................................... 5 Michael Ray Paine 1952 - ............................................... +Sharon Dempsey ............................... 4 Earl Paine 1924 - ................................... +Icielene Brewster 1924 - ........................................... 5 Chris Paine ........................................... 5 Portia Paine ........................................... 5 Larry Paine ............................................... +Mary Ann ............................... 4 Bertha Beatrice Paine 1927 - ................................... +? Bradford ........................................... 5 Joyce Elaine Bradford 1946 - ............................................... +D. Spoonemore ...................................................... 6 Donna Spoonemore ...................................................... 6 Wendy Spoonemore ............................... 4 Virginia Jenny Paine 1929 - ................................... +Jim McCall ........................................... 5 Jim McCall Jr. ........................................... 5 Rosa Mary McCall .................... 3 William Willie Payne 1890 - 1960 ........................ +Dovie Reese ............................... 4 [63] Myrtle Lee Payne ................................... +Ishmael Summer ............................... *2nd Husband of [63] Myrtle Lee Payne: ................................... +Fred Thompson - 1978 ............................... 4 Margaret Payne ............................... 4 Lucille Payne 1921 - ................................... +? Wooldridge ........................................... 5 Kenneth Wooldridge - 1985 ........................................... 5 James Wooldridge ............................... 4 [64] Dorothy Daisy Dot Payne 1926 - ................................... +? Morrison ........................................... 5 Donnie Morrison - 1993 ........................................... 5 John Willie Morrison ........................................... 5 Dorothy Lynn Morrison ........................................... 5 Nancy Sue Morrison ............................................... +Jerry Watson ............................... *2nd Husband of [64] Dorothy Daisy Dot Payne: ................................... +? Norton ........................................... 5 James Norton ........................................... 5 Micheal Wayne Norton Abt. 1959 - 1997 ...................................................... 6 Micheal Norton Abt. 1981 - ........................................... 5 Patricia Ann Norton ............................................... +Wayne Silas ........................................... 5 Lynn Norton ............................................... +? Medders ............................... 4 [65] Evelyn Virginia Payne Abt. 1916 - ................................... +Roy Daniel ............................... *2nd Husband of [65] Evelyn Virginia Payne: ................................... +? Brannon ........................................... 5 Curtis Eugene Brannon ........................................... 5 Johnnie Lee Brannon ........................................... 5 Betty Jane Brannon ............................................... +? Cleghorn ........................................... 5 Bobby Ray Brannon ........................................... 5 Melvin Frank Brannon ........................................... 5 Willie K Brannon ............................... *3rd Husband of [65] Evelyn Virginia Payne: ................................... +Harry Norton ........................................... 5 Lucretia Faye Norton ............................................... +? Newell ........................................... 5 Patricia Ann Norton ............................................... +? Kentnor ........................................... 5 Harry Siriskie Norton Jr. ........................................... 5 Leon Funkderburk Norton ........................................... 5 Enelyn Sue Norton ............................................... +? Saracco ........................................... 5 James Paol Norton ............................... *4th Husband of [65] Evelyn Virginia Payne: ................................... +Harry Soracco ........................................... 5 Evelyn Soracco ........................................... 5 Betty Soracco ............................................... +? cleghorn .................... 3 Margaret Maggie Payne 1888 - 1939 ........................ +Thomas Jackson Rosamond .................... 3 Ida Payne 1895 - ........................ +Chris Toney ............................... 4 Eula Toney 1917 - ................................... +Gordon Chartier ........................................... 5 Billy Chartier ........................................... 5 [66] Auerill Chartier - 1985 ............................................... +Ray Weeden ........................................... *2nd Husband of [66] Auerill Chartier: ............................................... +Unknown ? ...................................................... 6 Toney ? ...................................................... 6 Vernion ? ............................... 4 Jack Toney Abt. 1924 - Abt. 1991 ................................... +Caroline ........................................... 5 Calvin Toney Abt. 1972 - ............................... 4 Edmond Toney Abt. 1920 - Abt. 1993 ................................... +Maryann 1925 - ........................................... 5 Karen Toney Abt. 1946 - 1972 ........................................... 5 Chris Toney Abt. 1951 - ........................................... 5 Suzanne Toney Abt. 1953 - ........................................... 5 Cherie Ann Toney 1959 - .................... 3 Leonard Payne 1896 - .................... 3 Stewart Payne 1898 - ......... 2 Ann Payne Abt. 1858 - ............. +? McDowell ......... 2 Moton Paine Abt. 1850 - Jimmy Payne dpayne@mindspring.com

Elaine, Thanks for the offer of help. I'm usually looking for all I can get! It seems that most people believe the Moses Payne who shows up in the early censuses of Pendleton District, SC, is the one who submitted a pension application in the 1830s while living in AL. If so, he was born "on the coast" between MD and NC as his family moved to NC. I haven't seen that application yet, so I can't say more than what I've been told. If the NC/SC/AL Moses of the application is the one in Pendleton District, SC, he wasn't apparently Moses, the brother of Thomas Payne, Jr., whose 1786 will named Moses, Nathaniel, Zebediah, Shrewsbury, Cleveland, Champness, Poindexter, and Ruth as his siblings. It then follows that the NC/SC/AL Moses is probably not the Moses who shows up in Bedford Co., TN, deed books. (See the USGenWeb archives for Bedford Co., TN, for several of the relevant deeds--I'm slowly posting the ones I know of.) It is probably just one of life's coincidences that a neighbor of Moses Payne in Bedford Co., TN, was named Willis Green--a name that shows up in the Pendleton District, SC, census; but not near the page on which Moses Payne is listed. Some day I hope to read the deed books from GA, so I can see what they say about the Paynes who were related to Thomas Payne, Jr. I still have not heard of a single piece of evidence supporting the conclusion that the parents of Thomas, Moses, Nathaniel, Zebediah, Cleveland, Poindexter, Champness, Shrewsbury, and Ruth Payne died about 1811-1812 in Pendleton District, SC. (If they weren't in any of the censuses, is there any evidence they ever set foot in that place, much less died there?) I keep asking about evidence for the date of death of the parents, because I have found that a Shrewsbury Payne and a Zebediah Payne bought land in Bedford Co., TN, on 10 April 1812. (See the deeds in USGenWeb archives.) Since they bought adjacent parcels on the same day and spent identical amounts of money for them, I presume they were the brothers of Thomas Payne, Jr. Knowing when their father and mother died would possibly support the presumption that they pulled up stakes in GA and came to TN. Do you know of any document? If so, can you please tell me what it is and where I may find a copy of it? Thanks, Bob

Does anyone have a William Payne bn between 1765-1775,that moved to Al.The census says he is from Pa. can`t find anything on him. Please HELP against a Wall. I think he may be the father of Thomas Crockett Payne bn 1814 Tn. md Elizabeth Cluck bn 1814 Tn. We have no proof.This is the far as I can go with my tree. Need HELP. Thanks, Linda Rich Toney

Would appreciate information/clues concerning the five years that Robert Payne (d. abt. 1675) went by a "borrowed" name of Davies/Davis. Does anyone know the reasons? Thanks. John Anderson [Robert Payne Waring line]

Hi, Bob, I read your recent email on the Payne List....sorry to be so long in answering it....if nobody else has told you, I might can help you with your Moses. Please let me know, Elaine

I am trying to locate a copy of the "Payne Family" by Wayne Myers. It should have Payne, Holt, Milburn, Long and other names. Preston Holt

I am searching for Lydia Payne born April 1856 in Maryland (probably Washington County) She married James Long and for a period of time moved to Lovittsville, Loudon County VA. and had the following children: Charles W. Long b 1876 Lewis Long b. 1878 John E. Long b. 1879 Clarence Long b. 1885 Minnie Long b. 1886, died 1906 when she was killed instantly when she was talking on the telephone and was hit by lightening. This occurred in Sandy Hook MD. Isabel Long b. 1891 Clyde Long born 1894 (Some of the above children may have been born in VA and others in MD) James Long died sometime between the birth of Clyde 1894 and 1900. Lydia moved back to Sandy Hook MD and was found in the 1900 census living next door to Charles Payne born in 1855, his wife Lucy and son Charles 16 years old. This may be her brother. Does anyone know this family? Thanks, Shirley

Seeking information on the following Pane/Payne families: 1850 Monroe Co., TN: Dist 2, HH#643: PANE, Fleming, 48, b. GA. Farmer (b. abt 1802) PANE, Evaline, 41, B. GA (b. abt 1809) PANE, William, 18, b. GA (b. abt 1832) PANE, John, 15, b. GA (b. abt 1835) PANE, Sarah, 12, b. NC (b. abt 1838) PANE, Mary, 11, b. TN (b. abt 1839) PANE, Samuel, 7, b. TN (b. abt 1843) PANE, Rutha, 6, b. TN (b. abt 1844) PANE, Harriett, 6, b. TN (b. abt 1844) twins? PANE, Findley, 3, b. TN (b. abt 1847) Dist. 19, HH#1435 PANE, George W., 30, b. TN, Blacksmith PANE, Nancy, 29, b. TN PANE, Jane, 12, b. TN PANE, Evaline, 1, B. TN NICHELSON, Henry, 8, b. TN Could Fleming, above, possibly have another son, Jasper, b. abt 1830? Is George the son or brother of Fleming? The name "Evaline" in both families indicates they may be related somehow. Jasper Payne, b. in TN, married Mary Ann Woods in Monroe Co. TN, on 21 Jan 1852 and migrated to Carroll County, GA. Jasper died during the Civil war but left six children: Elizabeth PAYNE Joseph Joshua PAYNE F. Caleb (or Caliph) PAYNE James C. PAYNE Hannah PAYNE Rachel PAYNE I have a Fleming C. Payne (b. Jan, 1854) in 1900 Carroll County with wife, Retta (only married 2 years), and the following children: Charles PAYNE b. July 1878 Rosy? V. PAYNE b. Dec. 1881 Jasper PAYNE b. Feb. 1884 John PAYNE b. Mar. 1886 George PAYNE b. Jan, 1889 Rilla PAYNE b. Jan. 1891 Joseph J. PAYNE b. June 1893. Think this Fleming C. Payne might be Fleming Caleb/Caliph Payne, son of Jasper and grandson of Fleming Pane in Monroe Co. above. Date of birth of Fleming C. Payne in Carroll County coincides with date of birth of Joseph Joshua Payne (Jan. 20 1854) who was Caleb/Caliph Payne's twin brother. Carroll County marriage records show Caleb/Caliph may have been married twice. First to Fleman Luella Wilson on 2 Dec 1875 (groom's name given was Caliple Payne), and second to Retta Exum on 18 Nov 1897 (groom's name given was F.C. Payne). These dates fit with birth of children above, also name of second wife. Caleb/Caliph Payne was a Baptist minister in Carroll County, Georgia who served several churches in the area. His twin brother, Joseph Joshua Payne, was a Methodist minister who traveled the path of a circuit rider in the late 1800s. Joseph died in 1891 with typhoid fever. Caleb/Caliph died early 1900s. Joseph Joshua Payne was my great-grandfather. Grasping at straws. If I'm lost in left field, somebody please tell me. Any help appreciated. Many thanks, Judy

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Hi People can't remember where I got up to with posting my interests... if I have please don't be cross with me ;-) Sandra Fremantle Western Australia ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ romniroser@AOL.com romni@visto.com fedelmar@hotmail.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MSN instant messenger name: Fedelmar ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My webpages http://hometown.aol.com/romniroser/myhomepage/heritage.html http://www.geocities.com/athens/oracle/3607 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My families webpages http://www.treko.net.au/~coradine http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/Garden/8547 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mailing lists I administer: TOFTS-L-request@Rootsweb.com ROSER-L-request@Rootsweb.com HYMUS-L-request@Rootsweb.com PLAYLE-L-request@Rootsweb.com YOUARD-L-request@Rootsweb.com SMOOTHY-L-request@Rootsweb.com WADHAMS-L-request@Rootsweb.com DOCKERILL-L-request@Rootsweb.com UK-ROMANI-L-request@Rootsweb.com AUS-ROMANI-L-request@Rootsweb.com AUS-SMITH-LOST-request@Rootsweb.com AUS-WA-SHIPS-TIMELINES-L-request@Rootsweb.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My family names I research in the following places: ENGLAND. Cambridgeshire: CLEMENCE, BARRETT, HYMUS, OKEY, BROWNE (Simon 1500's), NEBOLD, BROWNE (John 1700's), BURTON, TOFTS, DOCKERILL, WILLOWS, RICHMOND, FOWLER, NUNN, SMOOTHY, PIGGOTT, BUTTOLPH, CHAPMAN, CRANE. (+ all vars.) Cornwall: POND. Essex: PLAYLE, MILBOURN, WHITEHEAD, ALLEN, FARRAR, CRANE, GOWER, PAWSEY, SMOOTHY, HURRIL, HEARD, BARRETT, NUNN, BURTON, CHAPMAN, HYMUS. (+ all vars.) Gloucestershire: YONGE, WOTTON. (+ all vars.) Hampshire: AUSTIN, YOUNG, MARLOE, JACKSON, HIBBERT, SHAW. (+ all vars.) Kent: ROSER, WILSON, AUSTIN, KINGSLAND, COVENEY, DREWRY, MARLOE. (+ all vars.) Lincolnshire: YOUARD, YOUNG, SHAW, AUSTIN, KAHN. (+ all vars.) Northamptonshire: YOUARD. (+ all vars.) Norfolk. YOUARD, ANGELL, JOHNSON. (+ all vars.) Somerset: JONES, PAYNE, YONGE, AUSTIN, DREWRY, KINGSLAND, MARLOE. (+ all vars.) Suffolk: SMOOTHY, BARRETT, WARREN, SWAN, CRANE. (+ all vars). Sussex: HASLER, CRANE, YOUARD, ROSER, WILSON. (+ all vars.) Staffordshire: WADHAMS, YOUARD, WILKES, STANTON. ( + all vars.) Surrey: JOHNSON. Warwickshire: YOUARD, WILKES. ( + all vars.) Worcestershire: MEDDINGS. (+ all vars.) Somewhere in the UK. DAY, James b c1808. CHEATHAM, Sarah Ann b c1810. MOTTERSHEAD, Agnes b c1846 (father John). AUSTRALIA. Tasmania. SMITH, KEANE, FAGAN, NELSON, AUSTIN. Victoria. AUSTIN. New South Wales. COSTELLO Western Australia. AUSTIN, POND, YOUARD, PLAYLE, ROSER, DAY, HYMUS, WILKES, MOTTERSHEAD, FALLON, WHITE. THE END!!!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The feeble tremble before opinion, the foolish defy it, the wise judge it and the skilful direct it. Manon Roland. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I am new to the Payne list. Does anyone have information on a Murry Payne or his marriage to Gracie F. Saunders, b. April 30, 1892. The only information I have on Gracie is her siblings and that she was the daughter of John F. Saunders, b. August 10, 1844 in Fairfax, VA, and Georgia Anna Kitchen, b. Hunter, Fairfax, VA. I do have a 1947 newspaper funeral notice for Gracie's brother Benjamin Franklin Saunders, Sr., listing her Gracie's address as Alexandria, VA. Any information would be appreciated. Kathie

In researching trying to find Nancy J. Payne, born 1808 In Kentucky, married J. Coleman, and daughter of William Payne born 1787 Virginia I have found the following: John Payne Family Report by complied by Bonnie C. Chumney and available for purchase at the Virginia's Descendants site. This has pages of indexed information. However, their John Payne - born 1615 England and died in 1690 Old Rappahannock County, Virginia and married to Margaret and they had 2 children: John III and Richard Sr. My would show John Payne - 1616 Tenterden, Kent, England and died 1690 in Richmond Henrico Virginia and he married Margaret and they had: Richard, George, John, Margaret, William. My question is have we somewhere along the line crossed all the information and then which becomes correct. I admit to not having seen the book published on the Paynes of Virginia. Mollie Jo Rogers

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I need help and I'm relative new to this process. According to both my Coleman and the Miracle's, Joshua Coleman married Nancy Payne born 1808 Laurel County, Kentucky. They all state she was the daughter of William Payne and Sarah Hamilton. This is even in paperwork of the Ancestral Files of the LDS. Now, according to the Payne web site William and Sarah's Nancy was someone else. Can anyone help with this and since was during that time frame can anyone give suggestions on how I can verify any of this? Thanks for the assistance. Mollie Jo

I am interested in this line. I have Paynes from Berkley Co., VA, before the Civil War, might they be related? EM -----Original Message----- From: David Payne <otime@hotmail.com> To: PAYNE-L@rootsweb.com <PAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:43 PM Subject: Brooke Paynes Boxes of Info >Is LDS working on Brooke Paynes boxes of info in the University of VA >Library? >If not maybe Joan can help, see below. >David > >From: "Joan Howell" <hootyowls54@hotmail.com> Save Address - Block Sender >To: otime@hotmail.com Save Address >Subject: Col. Brooke Payne's 22 boxes >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:12:47 -0400 >Reply Reply All Forward Delete Previous Next Close > > >Your posting to Payne-L@rootsweb.com dated July 17, 1999, has been brought >to my attention. I am a Payne descendant and am interested in knowing the >status of this material. Is it possible that someone has volunteered or >been hired to transcribe all 22 boxes? > >I live in NC, but have property in Patrick County, VA, and might be able to >help out on the project. I have done a fair amount of >transcription/compilation/abstraction and publication of genealogical data >in Wilson County, NC, over the last ten years. > >I look forward to your reply. > > Joan Lawrence >Howell >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >______________________________

Can anyone help Mary below on her Jesse Hall Payne? ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mary Pat Webster" <mwebster@nova.edu> To: <otime@hotmail.com> Subject: Jesse Hail Payne Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:31:52 -0400 Hello...I think we share an ancestor. My info says he is my maternal great-grandfather JESSE HALE PAYNE and that he lived in or near Waldron, Arkansas, (Scott County) was born in 1824 and died April 13, 1905. Jesse was 81 when he died. He was a judge advocate during the Civil War. He was a judge later too. I assume that was for Ark or whatever regiment he was attached to. Yes, my info also says he came from Tennessee. Jesse had three (3) wives and my ancestress died young with only 3 kids I think...Dove, Eda, and Roscoe (maybe also a Ben). Her name was Harriet Hesentine MacIntyre (called Hess) and her people were distillers from Kentucky. I have a tiny new testament at home with the hand lettered names of all his children (by the various wives)... but the wives are not listed. It is probably in Jesse's own handwriting. It was my grandmother Dove Payne Williams' prized possession. What do you know about Jesse's background? If he was a lawyer (I assume a judge starts as a lawyer)...where was he educated? Do you know what part of TN or what county he came from? Please rsvp...I am really curious. Mary Webster P.S. I am just learing how to use the Excite section and do not understand it very well. I was afraid to download for fear of a virus. This is my work computer so I cannot risk it. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Is LDS working on Brooke Paynes boxes of info in the University of VA Library? If not maybe Joan can help, see below. David From: "Joan Howell" <hootyowls54@hotmail.com> Save Address - Block Sender To: otime@hotmail.com Save Address Subject: Col. Brooke Payne's 22 boxes Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:12:47 -0400 Reply Reply All Forward Delete Previous Next Close Your posting to Payne-L@rootsweb.com dated July 17, 1999, has been brought to my attention. I am a Payne descendant and am interested in knowing the status of this material. Is it possible that someone has volunteered or been hired to transcribe all 22 boxes? I live in NC, but have property in Patrick County, VA, and might be able to help out on the project. I have done a fair amount of transcription/compilation/abstraction and publication of genealogical data in Wilson County, NC, over the last ten years. I look forward to your reply. Joan Lawrence Howell _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Someone may be interested in Anita Kilbourne's Bible. Anyone that descends from that line may want to contact her. David ----Original Message Follows---- From: KHDSK@aol.com To: otime@hotmail.com Subject: Family Bible Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:50:39 EDT Hi David, In the bottom of a trunk in my possession, I had placed a Bible given to me by an aunt who was born in 1895. It's been there for years, torn in the front and back, but I kept it anyway because she gave it to me and I loved her a lot. A few days ago my five year old grand daughter begged me to show her what was in my trunk, so I dragged out all the sweaters and other mementos at the bottom of it. Thanks to her, she wanted to see inside the bible. Where one usually sees the family history written down is in the middle, there was nothing, but towards the back, were four pages written in my gr-grandmother's hand, grandmother and my aunt were near the back of the book. Gr-grandmother, Mary Helen Hoskins (Payne) was born in 1853 in Tennessee and my grandmother Nora Payne (McGrew Kayler), was born 1877 in Huntsville, Alabama. The parts you might be interested in are as follows: Gr- great grandfather was Poindexer Payne, he cam from NC. Gr- great grandmother was Betty Ann and came from Germany. Great grandfather was Cleveland Payne. He was born 1814, died 3-27-1898 at age 84. Wife was Jaily Conn Payne, died Apr 6, 1877. Grandfather was Joel Nicholes Wm. Payne, born October 27, 1849 in Grundy Co., Tenn. The original owner of this Bible was his wife, Mary Helen Hoskins, daughter of Daniel Boone Hoskins, M.D. who came from Wales and Elizabeth Calvert of Kentucky. Written was he was full blooded Welch. I know you have the information, but thought you just might be interested in what was written in this Bible. Your distant Payne relative, Anita Kaylor Kilbourne Thanks, David S. Payne View my surnames and complete gedcom at: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=otime My Wife's line: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=cateel Searching for surnames mostly in Upstate SC/GA: ADDISON, ALLISON, ARENDALE/ARENDELL/ARENDALL, CANADY, COLEMAN, CORBIN, COX, CRAIG, DEAN, FOWLER, GILLILAN, HALEY, GORDON, GRAY, HENSON, JAMES, McMILLIAN, McPHERSON, MOODY, NEWTON, PARKER, PASSMORE, PATTERSON, PAYNE, POINDEXTER, REDWINE, REID, ROY, SHIRES, SWANN, TODD, WEST, WHITMIRE, WOODALL _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com