Patrick: Can you provide any information on the Huguenot connection re PAYNE (PYNE, PYE etc.) Thanks. John Anderson > [Original Message] > From: Werner Peene <werner.peene@advalvas.be> > To: <PAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 12/30/01 4:24:30 PM > Subject: Gosson PAYNE > > Hello, > Is there anyone who can give me more information about Gosson(Geston) PAYNE (PYNE, PYE) who lived in Westminster-London as a "stranger" from 1524 on? He's was "a duchman". info from "Returns of Aliens" by KIRK (publ. of the Huguenot Society of London nr. X -vol 1-2-3). > Thanks and for everyone a happy 2002! > Werner Peene > Belgium > http://come.to/peene --- kS2Oc5yKeBE= dpVpTiYLRebzj//JP08P3A== --- mijojohn@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

Hello, Is there anyone who can give me more information about Gosson(Geston) PAYNE (PYNE, PYE) who lived in Westminster-London as a "stranger" from 1524 on? He's was "a duchman". info from "Returns of Aliens" by KIRK (publ. of the Huguenot Society of London nr. X -vol 1-2-3). Thanks and for everyone a happy 2002! Werner Peene Belgium http://come.to/peene

Barbara, have you contacted Illinois State Vital Records? Try this link: www.vitalrec.com It has links and information for all the states' vital records. Good luck, Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Hinz" <bhinz@internetcds.com> To: <PAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 9:04 AM Subject: death certificate > Could anyone help me find a death certifacate for DR. Irene Payne. She died in Carbondale,Ill, on Sept.8,1996. Born Oct.31,1921. Thank you. Barbara Hinz bhinz@internetcds.com > > ______________________________

Could anyone help me find a death certifacate for DR. Irene Payne. She died in Carbondale,Ill, on Sept.8,1996. Born Oct.31,1921. Thank you. Barbara Hinz bhinz@internetcds.com

Evan Payne b. apr. 1755 d. apr. 1808 in Ohio Married Margaret Baker b about 1764, d. 1835. She was the daughter of William and Sarah Baker Evan and Margaret sold land in Hardy County VA., in 1802 and moved on to Licking County OH. settling about a mile north of Newark. They had many children one of which was my gggg grandfather William Payne born 1784. Does anyone out there have anything on these people?

Dear Faraway Friends and Family Here's wishing you ALL a very Merry Christmas and a joyous and prosperous New Year. God Bless Happy Holidays from the Bolton's

>Subject: [PAYNE-Pre1700] Daniel Payne 1660-1709 >To: PAYNE-PRE1700-L@rootsweb.com > >I am a descendant of Daniel Payne m. Hannah Scarbrough 1695 in >Accomacke, (North Hampton County,) VA. We have not been able to get a >line on Daniel's ancestors. Is there a possibility that he is connected >with one of the lines involved in the DNA study? Dear Bob (and everyone), Merry Christmas! I have purposely refrained from sharing my thoughts on this publicly. But since you brought it up, I'll share with you where I stand on the subject for what it's worth- which I might add isn't much more than what evidence is available. I've decided to share this with the lists in the hopes it will generate some ideas or thoughts. The lists are WAY to silent on things 17th-century and I'm beginning to wonder if any research at all on the period is going on! To address whether or not the DNA project might help settle this, I believe there is a good chance since members of the New England and Virginia Paynes are participating. It would be much better, of course, if we could include a descendant of Daniel Payne in the study. Anyway, here goes: As you may have seen in some of my recent posts, it has now been established with certainty that William Payne of Boston (proprietor of the iron works at Lynn on the Saugus), had conducted business on the Eastern Shore with at least one individual- Col. Edmund Scarburgh. Perhaps the only reason that we know this is due to the court activity that he sparked off in the attempt to collect a debt owed to him by Scarburgh. William Payne could not go to the Shore himself (he was probably way to busy with the iron works at the time), so he contracted with his "loving friend(s)" Capt. William Stangridge (initially) and Col. William Kendall to collect the debt on his behalf. The Order Books of Northampton County give the details of this. William Payne had a son by the name of Daniel who was born in 1635. He married a woman by the name of Hannah, although her surname has not been discovered to my knowledge. I would like to say that it had been Scarburgh, but there is a problem with this. There are two Hannah Scarburgh's of the Eastern Shore that I am aware of. The first being the sister of the said Col. Edmund Scarburgh. Of the two Hannah's I am aware of, she would be the most likely candidate as the wife of Daniel Payne. However, her only husband that can be identified was John Wise. But I don't feel she makes a very good candidate anyway if Daniel had married her in 1695 as he would have been 60 years old at that time. It's a possibility, but one that's hard to swallow. The other Hannah was the daughter of Edmund Scarburgh III by his 2nd wife Elizabeth. She would have been born in the 1660s or so, making her many years the junior of Daniel Payne of Boston. Also, she is known to have been the wife of Edmund Bayly in 1696, just one year after the marriage of your Daniel with a Hannah (Scarburgh). Three years later (1699) Bayly and Hannah sold land on the Shore that she had received from her parents. What makes this more confusing is that it appears that Daniel Payne's wife, Hannah, had married as her 2nd husband, William Foster of Northampton County. This information comes from "Loose Papers and Sundry Court Cases, 1628-1731, Northampton County, Virginia," vol. I, Jean M. Mihalyka. William Foster's name appears in "Virginia's Eastern Shore," Whitelaw, but it provides no useful details about his wife Hannah. It does, however, mention his wife (2nd?) Margaret Neale, daughter of John Neale and Elizabeth Southey. John Neale and Col. Scarburgh had been very closely associated, and as I had mentioned in previous posts, a William Payne had been building ships for William Claiborne's Kent Island fleet by 1632, one of these being the COCKATRICE, which Claiborne had first leased and then purchased from John Neale. All in all, I would tend to say that William Payne of Boston looks like a good candidate for being the William Payne associated with Claiborne, and that he and his son Daniel were in some way connected with the Scarburgh family (other than the fact the Edmund owed William money). Is it possible that Daniel married the widow of John Wise and sister of Col. Scarburgh? If so, then there would have had to have been undocumented marriage's with Daniel and William Foster. That is where I would begin looking. Col. Scarburgh had transported Ezard and Anne Payne to the Shore. This couple have not been identified, but I suspect they can be associated with the burgess Florentine Payne, who had been friends with the immigrant Richard Lee I. Daniel Payne's sister, Hannah, married Samuel Appleton, whose 3rd wife was Margaret Whittington, a surname closely associated with the Scarburgh's and Neale's of the Shore (see William Whittington). The Appleton's had intermarried with the Alington family of Suffolk, England, with whom Daniels ancestor's in that county had been well connected. Henry Payne, bailiff of Hengrave Manor, Suffolk, to Sir Thomas Kytson, had willed his Chaucer manuscript (no small gift!) to Giles Alington, grandson of Giles Alington and Ursula Drury. Members of the Drury family settled in Maryland. Then there is the fact that Capt. George Payne (whom I believe to have been the 3rd son of Sir Robert Payne of Huntingdonshire, and cousin of the Suffolk Paynes), had been a trading partner of the prominent merchant Maurice Thompson who, along with his brother Robert, had owned land on the Shore purchased from a William Waters in 1655. I have a note stating that Daniel Payne had also owned a part of this land (described by Whitelaw below). Later, a Nathaniel Payne, and his sons, Benjamin and Gerard Payne, were involved with the inheritance of the Waters family. The Paynes of Massachusetts are the ONLY Payne family I am aware of *during this period of time* to have named children Daniel, Benjamin, Nathaniel or Gerard. In July 1725 Hannah Foster (formerly Payne) asked for an allowance from the estate of William Foster [adm. 8 June 1725 OB 18:190] Her account shows Mr. Pole, Clerk's fee 150 lbs. of tobacco; 3 appraisers one day each 10.11.3; trouble in burying her husband 1.0.0; trouble in getting the estate-gathering it and paying it away- 1.0.0; coffin- 0.8.4; digging grave- 0.1.8; 1 bottle of rum to make the appraisers drink- 0.2.6. Total 4.2.2. Allowed. "With the widow Foster's petition is filed one by Thomas Griffith. He states that the Court ordered that the appraisers of William Foster's estate set apart John PAINE'S estate. Such has not been done since it was in corn and tobacco. The petitioner asks that the appraised value be awarded for the said PAINE. Allowed." The above suggests that Hannah PAINE, widow of Daniel married William Foster [see XIX:791 will of Daniel PAINE]. "Virginia's Eastern Shore," Whitelaw, p. 129, N23: "1652. This [N23] started out bravely as a patent to William Waters for 700 acres, but only a small part of it is indicated on the patent map as the rest was found to be an encroachment on N17. However, all dispositions from the whole will be traced as far back as possible. 1655 Waters assigned to Robert Thompson. 1662 Patent reissued to Robert Thompson, Jr., as son and heir of his father. 1678 Patent reissued to Thomas Thompson as heir to his brother Robert, Each of these reissues called for 700 acres, although Robert Jr., had made a sale before the reissue to brother Thomas. 1673 Robert Thompson sold 200 acres to George Esdell. This was on both sides of the present Fairview-Seaview crossroad and is the part shown on the patent map. 1687 George Esdell (wife Mary) left to sons Edward and George, the former received the part now north of the road." During the first years of the 18th century, this land passed to the Custis family. George Washington Parke Custis and Mary L. Custis (Mary Lee FitzHugh) sold 74 acres to William Stratton. "In 1697, Thomas and Mary Thompson sold 150 acres to Daniel PAINE; this was in the southwest corner of the original 700 acre patent. In 1702 William Willett had recovered it as part of N17 (part of the encroachment above most likely), but for a consideration he and his wife Anne now gave a quitclaim deed to PAINE who was then living here. 1708 Thomas and Esther Griffith gave to their son John, saying that the land had come to Esther from her father Daniel PAINE. Descent from John Griffith is uncertain, but somewhat later the bounds for an adjacent tract stated that a Hezekiah Griffith was then the owner here. He left no will, but his rights seem to have passed to his daughters. Rachel who married Eleazer Wilkins, and Esther who married Wittleton Wilson." As an aside here, William Calvert of St. Mary's, Maryland, had married Elizabeth, a daughter of Gov. William Stone of Northampton County at one point. Their daughter Elizabeth married 1 Jan. 1679, James NEALE, a kinsman of the Neale's of the Shore mentioned above. In 1673, William Calvert was a testator of the will of Thomas Payne of St. Mary's County. Also, in the record just above, we find the name of Hezekiah, which in my mind is a typically Puritan name, most often encountered in New England- not Virginia, although it obviously does occur there. I think clues like this are important to keep in mind as we know there was a lot of migration between colonies and this could possibly account for things like this. The William Willett above was Capt. William Willett (d. 1739), nephew of Sarah Douglas (his mother's sister) and Edward Littleton (d. 1663). This connection leads directly to the Neale's, Scarburgh's and Littleton's. Not to mention the Custis family and several others of interest to Paynes. The Willett family is also found in New England in association with Paynes. It is much to much to get into here other than to briefly sketch it out. The following can be found in "The Great Migration Begins," (Anderson), Thomas Lechford's Note-Book, 1638-1641, "The New England Merchants in the Seventeenth Century," (Bailyn) Thomas Willett, Mayor of New York, married Mary Browne of Watertown (sometime home of William Payne of the iron works). Their son James Willett of Plymouth (b. 24 June 1649), married on 17 Apr. 1673 at Rehoboth, Mass., Elizabeth, daughter of Peter Hunt, Jr. (14 June 1650-25 Aug. 1676) and Rebecca (20 Oct. 1656-12 June 1699), daughter of Stephen PAYNE, Jr. (20 Sept. 1629-24 Jan. 1677/8) and Anne Chickering. James Willett had a brother (two actually) by the name of Hezekiah, who married a first cousin, Anne Browne. James Willett also had a sister, Mary (b. 10 Nov. 1637) that married 22 Sept. 1658, Samuel Hooker, son of Rev. Thomas Hooker. They had a son Thomas Hooker who married 1685/6 Mary Smith (b. 7 Mar. 1642/3), former wife of Richard Lord. She was a daughter of Henry Smith and Ann Pinchon, daughter of William Pinchon. Pinchon was a merchant who came over with Winthrop, whose son John Jr. was the initiator of the iron works in which William Payne had been among the investors (and eventual proprietor). In the will of William Pinchon, proved Dec. 1662, he mentions "... business concerning the estate of Master Nicholas Ware in Virginia." Martha Smith, a daughter of Henry Smith and Ann Pinchon, married a Cammock before 1681. The Cammock had also been associated with New England and Martha Cammock has often been put forth as being a wife of Sir Richard Saltonstall. Her nephew, Warwick Cammock, was named as a supervisor of the will of Robert Payne (alias Davies) who married Elizabeth Lawson in Virginia. Turning for a moment to look into the Virginia connection between William Pinchon with Nicolas Ware, we find a Nicholas Ware (1625-1662) of Ratcliffe, Essex, who had married in July of 1655, Anna Vassell (6 Sep 1614), daughter of William Vassell (27 Aug 1592-13 Jul 1655) of Stepney, Middlesex, Ratcliffe, Essex (or Devon), and of Plymouth. More on the Vassell's in a moment. The first mention of Nicholas (I) Ware I have found is in "Cavaliers and Pioneers," vol. I, p. 476: "John Garrett and Nicholas Ware, 386 acres, New Kent County, 21 Aug. 1665, p. 253, (185). North side Mattapony River upon head branches of Hartequack Sw., beginning at mouth of Cattaile Branch & crossing Wolfe Branch. Trans. of 8 pers: Sarah Dibdall, Tim. White, Rowland Lurs., (?), Sa. Boucher, Wm. Bryan, Fran. Cooke, Agnes Buck, James Haines." This land was repatented on 22 Sep. 1682 to Nicholas Ware for 300 acres. (vol. II, p. 242), adjacent to land of John Ware. This land seems to have remained in the Ware family as late as 1683 when a Nicholas Ware is last mentioned in connection with it. This was presumably Nicholas Ware II who had married Elizabeth, daughter of John Garrett and Elizabeth Ware, perhaps a sister of Nicholas I (some claim she was a daughter). A sister-in-law of the Willett's (through the marriage of Mary with Samuel Hooker above), was Sarah Hooker, wife of the Rev. John Wilson, whose sister Elizabeth married in 1650, the Rev. Ezekiel Rogers (1590-23 Jan. 1660/1), whose uncle John Rogers (1538-1601) was the husband of Mary Leete (1542-1579), a cousin of Gov. William Leete (1612/3-Apr. 1683), who married on 1 Aug. 1636, Anne (1621-1 Sep. 1668), daughter of Rev. John PAYNE of Southoe, Huntingdonshire, whom we now know was a brother of Sir Robert Payne of St. Neots. The final member of the Willett family I'd like to mention was Sarah (b. 4 May 1643), another sister of James. Sarah married John Elliott, a son of the Rev. John Elliott by his 1st wife, Hannah (or Ann) Mumford. John Jr.'s stepmother (his father's 2nd wife), was Elizabeth, daughter of Major Daniel Gookin and his wife Mary Dolling. John Jr.'s stepmother Elizabeth Gookin was the granddaughter of Daniel Gookin and Mary Byrde, who had originally settled in Virginia before removing to New England. Elizabeth was also the niece of John Gookin, who had married Sarah (or Susan) Offley, the former wife of Adam Thoroughgood (15 July 1604-27 Apr. 1640) and the relict of Francis Yeardley, son of the Gov. George Yeardley and Temperance Flowerdew, and brother of Argoll Yeardley, whose 2nd wife had been Ann Custis, sister of Gen. John Custis II (d. bef. 10 Feb. 1695/6), who had 1st married Elizabeth Robinson (possibly the daughter of Richard Robinson who named John Payne (d. 1689) as his next of kin), and whose 3rd wife had been Tabitha (1639-1718), daughter of Col. Edmund Scarburgh, who owed William Payne of Boston the debt cited above. John Payne, as commander of the ship JOHN & DOROTHY, had brought Adam Thoroughgood to Virginia in 1634/5 (see Cavaliers and Pioneers, vol. I, p. 22; and the following record abstracts in the Library of Virginia's Colonial Records Project located at: http://eagle.vsla.edu/colonial/virtua-basic.html (just run a search on the ship name): SR04048, SR09979, SR10398, SR10399, SR10948, and many other records regarding this voyage. Depositions on behalf of John Payne included those of: Maurice Thompson, Col. John Walker, Capt. John Martin, and other's associated with John Payne of Westmoreland- John Payne the immigrant (who died 1689/90) of Westmoreland County (wife Margaret Robinson), had a son, John Jr., who married a daughter of Col. John Walker, this among other reasons for believing John Payne of the John & Dorothy was the same man as the immigrant of Westmoreland). Of the information on the Gookin's (which can hardly be considered a common surname!) in Virginia, we find: 1. Cavaliers and Pioneers, vol. I, p. 78: A patent to Daniel Gookins, Esqr., for 2500 acres in New Norfolk, Co. 2. p. 132: patent to John Carter for 1300 acres on Rappahannock River on Carter's Creek in 1642, due by assignment of Capt. Daniell Gookins. 3. p. 138: patent to Capt. Daniell Gookin, 1400 acres upon the north side of Rappahannock River, Nov. 4, 1642. There is a memo attached stating: 900 acres of the foregoing is due sd. Gookins by assignment from sd. Burbage for the servants mentioned: William Paine (among several others), Mrs. Mary Gookins, Samll. Gookins... 4. patent to John Gookin, Gent., 640 acres, Lower Norfolk County, Oct. 12, 1641 adjacent to Capt. (Adam) Thoroughgood's land. Whitelaw mentions the Gookins on p. 287: "Another son Francis [Yeardley], about 1645, married Sarah (Offley) who had been previously the widow of Captain Adam Thoroughgood and Captain John Gookin, both of Princess Anne County." Back on the Willett's (and once again, this is verifiable through "The Great Migration" and the other sources I've cited). Mayor Thomas Willett and Captain Miles Standish took the will of Stephen Hopkins on 17 July 1644. Mary Snow was a granddaughter of Hopkins and she was married to Thomas Payne of Eastham, Mass., while Standish's son, also named Miles, was married to Sarah Winslow, who married on his death, Tobias Payne, whose family hailed from Kings Caple, Herefordshire. He succeeded Miles Standish as Captain of the military company at Plymouth. A cousin of Mary Browne (wife of Thomas Willett), was John Browne (d. 28 Feb. 1687 at Salem, Mass.) who married in 1640 at Charlestown, Sarah (1618-6 June 1672), sister of Philip Walker (1629/30-20 Aug. 1679) and his wife Mary (or Jane) Metcalf (24 Mar. 1632-24 Oct. 1710), sister of Thomas Metcalf (27 Dec. 1629-16 Nov. 1702) who married Anne Chickering (d. 1 Jan. 1688), widow of Stephen PAINE, Jr. (29 Sep. 1629-24 Jan,. 1677/8). Turning to the Vassell's now, Anna Vassell's uncle, was Samuel Vassell, a man of Puritan convictions who was a founder of the Massachusetts Bay Company with John Winthrop. Samuel also began a series of ventures in Virginia and the West Indies in 1628 that occupied him over the next 20 years. His brother-in-law was the sea captain Peter Andrews, who was in charge of most of the Voyages to Virginia and the West Indies. The two men worked closely with the Virginian merchant-planter George Menefie, who was a 3rd member of their partnership, settled permanently in Virginia about 1640. However, like many merchants, he travelled many times back and forth between London and Virginia. In 1630, Samuel attempted to settle a colony in what is now South Carolina. Andrews and Vassell were to provide the transportation for the colonists and to supply the colony during its early stages. But for some reason the passengers were landed in Virginia and Vassell ended up paying 600 lbs in damages to the contractors of the colony. In 1640, Vassell was partnered with Maurice Thompson in a voyage to Virginia and the West Indies, along with a third partner, William Felgate, a brother-in-law of Thompson's brother-in-law William Tucker. Another partner of Maurice Thompson had been William Pennoyer. These men were also very active in the tobacco reexport trade to the Levant with Matthew Craddock, a cousin of Randall Mainwarring. Craddock was a kinsman of William Craddock who was the factor of the Sir William Cockayne, one of London's greatest merchants. Matthew Craddock was apprenticed to Cockayne in 1616, undoubtedly through this connection. Craddock was the first Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Company and established a plantation on the Mystic River by the end of the 1620s. During the 1630s he, along with the other merchants named above, was one of the leading Virginia merchants in the Virginia and West Indian tobacco and provisioning trades. The tight relationship between these men is of critical importance for us to understand if we are every to unravel the story of our Paynes I feel. "Merchants and Revolution," by Robert Brenner (1994 Princeton University Press) consists of over 700 pages specifically dealing with these relationships, which were essential to the success of trade with America during that time period of the 17th-century. Among other members of this complex merchant network were Capt. George Payne (sometime partner of Maurice Thompson), his brothers-in-law Randall Mainwarring, Nathaniel and Joseph Hawes, Richard Saltonstall, John Winthrop Jr., and Thomas Mayhew, who had been a factor for Craddock and associated with Winthrop as well. Mayhew had married the widow of Thomas Payne of Wantage, Berks. Capt. George Payne, married Rachel Hawes, making him a brother-in-law of Randall Mainwarring who had married Rachel's sister, Elizabeth. Mainwarring was a cousin of Craddock. Sir Robert Payne, who had also been a merchant of London and investor in the Virginia Company, had ties with the Hawes family. One of Sir Robert's unnamed aunt's had married a brother of Lawrence Hawes of Cambridgeshire who named in his will his brother "Robert Payne." I'm going to have to stop with this very brief overview. It would take a lot to thoroughly cover all of these connections- which is exactly what I've been doing for a very long time now! So I won't try to repeat all the effort here. It will come soon enough though. As I see it, we have a choice... We can write it all off (and I've just scratched the surface here, only covering some of what can be found in America. The same type of thing also occurs in England) as being one long series of coincidence upon coincidence- not to mention a very small world. Or we can agree that it indeed was a small world, but not due to any coincidence. A lot of HARD miles separated these families of Virginia and New England and there is no obvious reason to conclude that they would have randomly bumped heads in this way. I hope that the DNA project will help to support what the records appear to be telling us. We should know something soon! Patrick

Hello and Merry Christmas! I just wanted to let the lists know that I have contacted all of our project participants to let them know that self-test kits will begin mailing the end of January. I am making the final arrangements with the lab (Relative Genetics) at this point and just waiting for confirmation from them. Relative Genetics will be testing 14 Ycs (chromosome) markers. This is 2 more than any other family DNA project I have seen. In other words, they have identified 2 additional signatures on the Y-chromosome that can now be tested. This ups the accuracy a good deal as the more markers that can be checked and correlated the better. We've managed to sign up 22 (two tentatively being added just today!) participants to date. Of this number, some represent uncorrelated or unassociated lines- meaning that there is no known connection to any of our early Payne lines in either Virginia, Maryland or Massachusetts for example. For this group, the benefit of the testing will be to attempt to provide a connection to one of these lines through the other test participants. This should help them in tracing their genealogy further by pointing them to the family they should be concentrating on. In addition, the test will indicate at what point the two (or more) shared a common ancestor which should narrow their search considerably. Of the remaining participants, they can be placed into 4 main groups as follows: 1) A Virginia group who descend from John Payne (d. 1689) and Margaret Robinson of Westmoreland County- 2 participants. 2) A Maryland group who descend from Thomas Paine (d. 1673) and Jane Smallpiece of St. Mary's County- 3 participants (2 of which are father and son). There is a bit of conjecture here, as some believe that the ancestor of these participants, Isaiah Payne (b. 1735) Dorchester County, Maryland, was actually a descendant of a William Payne who came to Maryland from Virginia in 1673 with John Lee. Since this is my line (and I am one of the two participants mentioned), I am siding with the Thomas Payne of Maryland theory because the bulk of the evidence points to that conclusion. A more accurate classification should probably be: descendants of Isaiah Payne (b. 1735) of Dorchester County. 3) A Massachusetts group who descend from the Payne family of Great Ellingham, Norfolk, England- 1 participant. 4) Another Massachusetts group who descend from the Payne family of Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk, England- 2 participants. It is hoped that this testing will establish that two or more of these 4 groups shared a common ancestor at some point prior to their immigration to America. In the case of group 2 (from Maryland) I expect to find an identical Y-chromosome signature between the participants as all three are direct descendants of Isaiah Payne mentioned above through two different sons. There is a possibility that we will add a fourth participant who descends from Flayl Payne of Maryland. It will be interesting to see if there is a connection there as well. Groups 1 and 2 share a connection in that both groups seem to have left Maryland at the same time (ca. 1765) for the same destination in North Carolina. By 1790, they once again moved together. This time to South Carolina. There has been a lot of confusion in separating these two families for this reason as well as that they both tended to give the same names to their children. I am confident that it had been a member of Group 1, William Payne, a son of John Payne (d. 1689), who had come to Maryland with John Lee in 1673 as this William Payne named John Lee's brother, Richard Lee, in his will, calling him "loving friend." This Richard Lee inherited the land in Maryland from his brother John when he died in 1673. This William Payne also instructed his daughter to go immediately upon his death to "Col. Lee's." In groups 3 and 4, there is an interesting connection in that the 2nd wife of the participants ancestor from group 3, Stephen Paine (d. 1679), had married the widow of William Parker, who is thought to have been a kinsman (perhaps brother) of Richard Parker whose daughter Sarah married John Payne, a member belonging to the 4th group. The 3rd group arrived in New England on a ship captained by John Martin, a Virginian, associated with group 1 and group 4 (through the iron works at Saugus). Martin was master of the battery for the iron works in Virginia and had been associated with Gov. William Berkeley, whose family had also been investors in the Saugus iron works (as well as with the Throckmorton's in the Michaelwood iron works in England). Moreover, William Payne of Boston (from group 4), conducted business on Virginia's Eastern Shore with close associates of both groups 1 and 2. A study of groups 3 and 4 in England reveals many other associations between them, as well as with another Payne family residing in Huntingdonshire, from which group 1 has long claimed descent. Unfortunately, the Huntingdonshire family is not represented in our study- as far as we know anyway. A recent discovery I've come upon through correspondence with the editor of The History of Parliament, who has generously made available to me the biographical sketch of Sir Robert Payne of St. Neots, Huntingdonshire, is that Sir Robert Payne had 4 more children (2 sons and 2 daughters) than was revealed in "The Paynes of Virginia" through the authors correspondence with the College of Arms. I've also managed to find the inscription on Sir Robert's tomb, which confirms this fact. As this is a new find, I have not had time to investigate who these 2 additional sons were and what became of them. They would have been born after 1613. Perhaps the greatest find in this is the fact that Sir Robert had a brother, John Payne, who became the rector at Southoe, Hunts. in 1600. (GL, 11588/2, pp. 248, 253; VCH Hunts. ii, 318-19; Hunts RO, Acc. 2533/1, f. 21) This information identifies Sir Robert's brother, Rev. John Payne (aft. 1573-20 Sep. 1635), as the father of Anne (1621-1 Sep. 1668), who married 1 Aug. 1636 at Hail Weston, Cambs., William Leete (1612/3-Apr. 1683), who immigrated with his family to New England where he became Governor of Hartford, Ct. This was a jewel of a find and provides information about the family of Sir Robert previously unknown to us. I won't get into all of the implications this may have, but it is something well worth studying. The biographical sketch of Sir Robert Payne and his family will be published in the next addition of The History of Parliament, by The History of Parliament Trust, by Act of Parliament. I will also make the sketch available in my book (with permission) along with the results of our DNA project. I will also include how this information on Sir Robert supports Albert Paine's conclusion in "Payne Genealogy- Ipswich Branch," that Sir Robert's great-grandfather had been a son of Sir Thomas Payne of Market Bosworth, Leicestershire, thereby making Sir Robert a cousin of the Payne's of Suffolk (group 4), who also immigrated to New England. Also how Sir Robert's family had been connected with group 3. By combining this information with what is known about (Capt.) George Payne, thought to have been the 3rd son of Sir Robert, and his dealings in Virginia, I think a much clearer picture will emerge on the relationships between at least 3 of the groups in our DNA study- groups 1, 3 and 4. That is all that I have to report at the moment. The project is progressing well and nearing the testing phase. We should soon after have some interesting results to report, perhaps as early as February. We will continue to accept new participants at any time, even after the initial testing occurs. Please contact me for details if interested. Merry Christmas! Patrick

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I need help. I have read and re-read about Nancy Payne. I know she was born in 1808 in Kentucky and died in 1862 or 1839. She was married to Joshua Coleman in 1820 in Knox County, KY They had nine children. I think she was also married to a Wilson and Jesse Gentry. Her father and mother were William Payne and Sarah Hamilton. I know there are suppose to be two Nancy's but I think they were one and the same person. If you can help me on this please let me know. Joshua and Nancy are my great great grandparents. I'm trying to complete this portion to give my father (who is 84) for his Christmas present. He was never interested before and since I have found some things he is really interested. Thanks, Mollie Jo Rogers

this is from the response sent around 12-8-01 Someone responded to my email with this same subject but it won't open up. I am hoping it wasn't a virus but so far everything is running great and my anti-virus programs haven't went off. Could you please respond to my email again or send your response to shatsdreams@toast.net I usually don't have any problems with my email. Thank You Elizabeth

We are switching ISP's at the home computer Tuesday morning, December 11th.  We will be getting rid of one of our phone numbers as well.  Our only home telephone number will be 512 398-2561. My new email address will be p2lockhart@austin.rr.com.   patti payne

Hello everyone, I've just added a link on my page to some of the information detailing the ties between Colonial American Payne families. I've included primary records and citations to secondary sources. Of particular interest should be the records showing a connection between William Payne, proprietor of the iron works in Lynn, Mass., whose family descended from the Paynes of Suffolk, England, to the family of John Payne "the immigrant" of Westmoreland County, Va. I have posted this information in an effort to show why the current DNA project is of such importance and the reasons behind it. The link to this page is at http://home.earthlink.net/~ppayne1203 . Once there, the link is the first on the left side of the page under Paynes of America. The status of the project stands at 21 participants signed up for testing. I have also managed to locate a Payne who is a member of the Lumbee tribe of North Carolina. I will be speaking with him soon in the hopes he will participate. Current plans are to proceed with the testing phase soon after the holidays. Plenty of time for others to participate! Regards, Patrick

I need help I have Judaea Payne b about 1796 Mass or Maine. She married Benjamin Lowell 1814 at Bucksport Maine. Benjamin married (2) Susie Bassett. Children Benjamin,Samuell,Abraham. Thank You Margaret Mag1938@aol.com

Hi, Folks - Just a quick note to please keep Virus warnings and other non-genealogically related messages OFF the list. It's not that such messages don't have useful content - it's just that there are other, more appropriate forums in which to discuss same. People are members of this list to discuss PAYNE/PAINE et al genealogy, so please try to focus efforts in that direction. This is even more important since our list has 564 subscribers. 564 people receive every submission, and it is to the chagrin of many when the correspondence does not relate to the subject matter of the list. Our list is normally very well-behaved in this regard - please just take this as a polite reminder. Since I'm sending this anyway, let me take this opportunity to thank you for being the wonderful group of subscribers that you are. I wish each of you wonderful holidays with hopes that the season and the New Year will bring many blessings your way! Danny Payne List Administrator, PAYNE-L sdcaller@icon.net

Breaking News: 13:00CST - 04 Dec 2001 Computer Virus Said to be Spreading Rapidly London, England (EmergencyNet News) -- The WORM_GONE.A is a Visual Basic-compiled Windows executable worm that is capable of propagating through Microsoft Outlook and possibly through ICQ instant messengers. The file is packed using the UPX packer program and is compiled using Visual Basic. It arrives in an email with the following: ----- Subject: Hi Body: How are you ? When I saw this screensaver, I immediately thought about you I am in a harry, I promise you will love it! Attachment: GONE.SCR ----- It is recommended that you update your virus scanner to protect your computer at the earliest opportunity. This worm is said to be spreading rapidly and many occasions of it have been noted in the United Kingdom. -- Source: Trend Micro Anti-virus Advisory

Hi all! Ya'll can't imagine the surprise when I read these Payne-McElhaney messages on the Payne list. My maiden name is McElhenney, and I'm married to a Payne. I don't see any connections with those mentioned in the previous posts, but the McElhaney name is unusual enough that it caught my attention. All my hubby's family came from TN to IL and KS, and most are now settled in Nebraska. I've not gotten further back than TN on the Paynes. My McElhaneys came from NC, SC, and GA and came to Alabama and Mississippi. If you are interested, my gedcom is at RootsWeb GenConnect at the address given in my signature line below. I also have a McElhaney web site at RootsWeb's freepages, but I don't have the exact address at hand. You can find it easily at by searching RootsWeb though, because it's the only McElhaney site on their Freepages. Debbie (McElhenney) Payne Decatur, Mississippi <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< debbiep84@excite.com "As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!" http://PayneFamily.tripod.com/ Wife of 14 1/2 years to Mick, and mommy to Tony (12), Patrick (11), Sadie (11), Jacob (10), Tristian (8), and Selena (4) My Gedcom on GenConnect: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=debbiep84 First Time Fourth Sonlighters FlyBaby since 2/5/2001 <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <><

Hi - I noticed below message [after mine] mentions a George McELHANY. I can't help you, but in case this may help you in the future - I happen to have 2 George's - I had a 3rd gr granduncle Isaac 3) DAVIS b 1725 Chester county, PA - the s/o Llewellyn 2) [called the hammer - to identify him from his uncle Llewellyn called the sawyer] DAVIS and Margaret PERRY - Isaac married 7 May 1766 at Chester county, PA - TO - Sophia NORTH; 3rd gr gu Isaac 3) DAVIS died 23 oct 1764 and Sophia [NORTH] DAVIS md2) 7 May 1766 also at Chester county, Pennsylvania TO - George McELHANY- he was born 1730 in Chester county, he died 1802 in Chester County, Pennsylvania. I don't know his parents - They had 6 McELHANY / McELHANEY children - I only know of one of their birth dates- 1. George 2. Hannah 3. Anna 4. Lydia 5. Elizabeth 1774 Chester county, PA 6. Sophia My notes for George McELHANY / McELHANEY SOURCE: DAVIS manuscript p4; - found on the large papers the ones that are handwritten numbered 1 right 4th generation top of page. Ancestral files - AFN: 9ZJ6-JJ NOTES: George and Sophia were married 7 May 1766 at Chester co., PA. They were parents of 3 children listed in the DAVIS manuscript. I found more 3 children listed for them in the ancestral files..I am adding the children I found in the ancestral files to their family until I know differently. The ones with the * are the ones listed in the DAVIS manuscript. 1. *George McELHANY md Esther DAVIS - They were parents of: perhaps more - these are the only ones I know about: i. Ann b c1800 md Wm RANDOLPH they were of Ohio ii. Eliza b abt 1804 md c1826 John RANDOLPH they were of Hocking,OH 2. *Hannah McELHANY md William BUSH 3. Anna McELHANY 4. Lydia McELHANY 5. Elizabeth McELHANY md 1792 Eli EVANS 6. *Sophia McELHANY Does any one know of this family - Thank you, Wilma Fleming Haynes gencon@harborside.com > Hello to everyone - new to list. Searching for information on James Payne married Tirzah Dewer McElhaney - children James Henry 1844 Mary Margaret 1847 Sarah Ellen 1849 John Berry 1852 Calvin Alexander 1854 Robert Martin 1857 Tirzah Jane 1860 George 1863 Alice Safroni 1866 Would appreciate any information - James born in NC - Tirzah SC Children born in SC, Tenn, Indiana James buried in Johnson County, Arkansas Tirzah buried - unknown Kathy Axon TImbrook KLTimbrook@aol.com

Hello to everyone - new to list. Searching for information on James Payne married Tirzah Dewer McElhaney - children James Henry 1844 Mary Margaret 1847 Sarah Ellen 1849 John Berry 1852 Calvin Alexander 1854 Robert Martin 1857 Tirzah Jane 1860 George 1863 Alice Safroni 1866 Would appreciate any information - James born in NC - Tirzah SC Children born in SC, Tenn, Indiana James buried in Johnson County, Arkansas Tirzah buried - unknown Kathy Axon TImbrook KLTimbrook@aol.com

Dear Pat and Listers, Please accept my apology indicating the virus was sent intentionally. I should not have mentioned a persons's name and written them privately. I was unaware of this virus when I emailed the alert to the group. Through other listers, I learned about the Badtrans virus and that the email is generated by the virus, not the sender. Luckily, my corporate firewell prevented infection. I appreciate the listers sharing information on this Virus. Again, please forgive my mistake. Regards, Virgiia Payne