Would you check your database and see if you have PAYNEs in NC in 1796. I am looking for any hints at all about which county in which to do more research. This is my brick wall: William PAYNE b.abt 1796 in NC 1850 census, Sumner Co., TN Page 166, family #74 PAYNE, William 53 Lumber trade 5000 NC Margaret 41 (may be 49) R. S. 27 Mary 23 Greenwood 19 William 17 Martha 13 Priscilla 11 Here is an excerpt about this family from RED RIVER SETTLERS by Edithe Whitley: "William Payne was born in North Carolina and emigrated to Tennessee when he ws young...(he) was in the Indian Wars and also in the War of 1812... In 1821 or 1822, he married Margarette BROWN of North Carolina. They had six children... Mr. Payne was a farmer. He died at his residence in Sumner County in 1861. His wife died in 1850." I descend from the son R. S. PAYNE. I'm looking for connections in NC. Caswell County has both a Greenwood Payne and a William Payne in the 1790 census. A Greenwood Payne took oath of allegiance in 1777 in Pittsylvania Co., VA. And there is a Greenwood Payne in the census of Davidson Co. TN in 1820. Do you have Greenwood PAYNE in your database? or do you have PAYNEs from NC. Thanks so much for a response. Ida Deal

I have been able to complete my Payne family pedigree back as far as 1615. John Payne was born that year in Yorkshire, England and died 1690 in Rappahannock Co., VA. I'm now at the point in my research where I don't just want to know what the names and birth dates are, I'm very curious to know who these people were that I'm descended from. If anyone has any information they could share about the lives of the following Paynes from Virginia, I would deeply appreciate it. Richard Payne b. 12 May 1633, Northumberland Co., VA William Payne b. 1660, "Red House" Rappahannock Co., VA George Payne b. 1680, Sittingbourne Parish, Rappahannock Co., VA Josias Payne b. 30 Oct 1705, Goochland Co., VA William Payne b. 10 Feb 1731, Goochland Co., VA Col. James Payne b. 25 Apr 1763, Goochland Co., VA William Payne b. 26 Oct 1803, VA Thomas Benjamin Payne b. 22 Oct 1836, Albemarle Co., VA Thank you for your time, Patti

First: I had a note from Norm Payne, author of the Flayle Payne book. He tells me the title is, "Payne and Associated Families of Breckinridge County, Kentucky." It lists over 18,000 people, written like a history book and can be read cover to cover. He says the Bromley book is definitely in print. Some of you probably already have Norm & Linda's website: www.seeya-downtheroad.com. (Their book is one I don't have on my list). Second: Not all the following references are "books" but some microfilm and microfiche. Be patient, I'll send as I have time. Thanks. __________________________ Title: Barnabas Payne and his son, John C. Payne: some data of biography and genealogy that concerns their many descendants. Stmnt.Resp.: Compiled by W. O. Payne Authors: Payne, W. O. (William Orson), 1860- (Main Author) Notes: Microreproduction of original published: Nevada, Iowa: W.O. Payne, 1903. 13 p., [2] leaves of plates. -- Caption title. Includes Doane, Freeman, Olmsted, Pierce, Southworth, Treat and related families. The 1973 filming included the two folded pedigree charts (published with the book) which apparently were not present for the L.C filming. Thomas Payne and his son, Thomas, immigrated before 1639 from England to Eastham, Massachusetts. Barnabas Washington Payne (b.1751), a direct descendant in the sixth generation and a son of Abraham Calvin Payne, moved from New Canaan, Connecticut to Hamilton, Dutchess County, New York, and served in the Revolutionary War. Descendants lived in New England, New York, Iowa, Minnesota and elsewhere. Subjects: Payne, Paine, Doane, Freeman, Olmstead, Pierce, Southworth, Treat. Format: Books/Monographs (On Film) Language: English Publication: Salt Lake City: Filmed by the Genalogical Society of Utah, 1973 Physical: on 1 microfilm reel: ill., facsim., geneal. tables.; 35 mm. ---------------------------------------- Title: Ancestors and descendants of James Payne of Pomfret Conn., and Hauppauge, L.I. Stmnt.Resp.: Sarah C.P. Smith, Margretta C. Payne Authors: Smith, Sarah Cornelia Payne (Main Author) Payne, Margretta Crane (Added Author) Notes: Twenty-two interspersed numbered pages left blank formemoranda.".2 Includes Wheeler, Blydenburgh and related families. The Payne (Paine) family immigrated in 1638 from Norfolk, England to Hingham, Mass. Subjects: Payne, Wheeler, Blydenburgh Call Number: 929.273 A1 no.796 Location: JSMB US/CAN Book Format: Books/Monographs (With Film) Language: English Publication: Northport, N.Y.: Northport Observer, 1932 Physical: 80 p. : ill., ports. Subject Class: 929.273 A1 --------------------------- Title: Ancestors and descendants of Joseph Payne the sixth of West Turin, N.Y. Authors: Scheidleman, Edward Payne (Main Author) Notes: Microreproduction of original published: [Rome, N.Y.: Rome Sentinel Co., 1937]. 15 p. Binders title: "The Paynes of Turin." Subjects: Payne Format: Books/Monographs (On Fiche) Language: English Publication: Salt Lake City: Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1982 Physical: 1 microfiche: ports.; 11 x 15 cm. ----------------------- 'til later, Marilyne

Attn: bpayne@whidbey.net Friday I went to SLC and searched the computers at the Family Book Biography Library in the Joseph Smith Building. I did not find a "Paynes of Steward Creek" but did see another book by the same authors, Richard Franklin Bromley and Margaret Payne Bromley. "Northumberland Co. VA, poll list for the election of burgesses for the period 1750-1774." Call number: 975.521 N4b. When I asked at the desk about the Stewards Creek book I was told that the books in the library were donated that they didn't buy published genealogies. Hence, it's probably published but not on the shelves in SLC. Another book I looked for was about Flayl (Flayel) Payne. It was not there either. There were 235 listings for the surname PAYNE. Many of these are microfilm. I did copy about 25 having PAYNE as a primary title. Printouts show Author, Notes, Subjects (related surnames), call numbers, etc. I'd like to send these along to this list unless members consider it a waste of time, they can be looked up on any FHC computer I think. So somebody give me a thumbs up or down on this. I only have Friday (in good weather) to travel to the FHC so please don't ask for look-up assistance because the only free days for genealogy are weekends and I'm way behind on other lines. When I get old (possibly next year :-) I may have more time for this. Marilyne Short Payne

Paine, Ann Birth : ABT. 1689 of Middlesex, VA Gender: Female Family: Marriage: 18 AUG 1708 in ChristChurch Par, Middlesex, VA Spouse: Rhodes, John Birth : 12 FEB 1688/89 ChristChurch Par, Middlesex, VA Death : JAN 1759 Gender: Male Parents: Father: Rhodes, Hezekiah Mother: Nichols, Elizabeth

Hello list members, Does anyone happen to have any information on either of these men Amos PAINE b. 1731 NH d. Moultonborough,NH I do not know the date. The other person would or is suppose to be the father of Amos, John PAINE. I have absolutely no information on this man other than he is named as father to Amos. I am trying to find out about Amos and his family in NH and who his wife and children were. Any help at all would certainly be appreciated. Thank you so much. Birde mailto:Birde@bigfoot.com

Robert, Still, we don't know whether Bernard was or wasn't Ralph's son, do we? I will keep an open mind on this until we find more and I think now we will since we got lots of folks looking. Also Bowie has about 1635 date for Ralph Payne's birth, so they, as we, don't know when he was born for sure. Right? David Robert King <reking@alaska.net> wrote: Jim and David, With due respect to everyone, I assume that you will now question Jack and Sharon Bowie as to where they got the information on Ralph Payne supposedly having more children than just Thomas. If they have documentary evidence, then great! I would be delighted to learn about it! But if they don't have documentary evidence, then you will have to make your own judgments as to what to believe. As you know, there is a lot of family information posted on the web based only on incorrect assumptions and second-hand "sources" without real proof, so we all must be very cautious in doing genealogical work off the web unless we verify our findings with original source records. From my research in original records, I have found no contemporary documents to even suggest that Ralph Payne had more children than the one named Thomas. The Bowie web site also has other statements which you may wish to weigh very carefully. One is the statement that Ralph Payne was "born Abt. 1635." In earlier e-mail I provided evidence that Ralph Payne most likely was born several years prior to 1635. In brief, here's why: Virginia land patent records show that Ralph received a land patent in 1652 for land in what is now Essex County, VA for transporting people to Virginia (you can even download a copy of this 1652 patent from the Library of Virginia web site). If he were born "Abt. 1635," then he'd have been about 17 years old when this happened in 1652. To me, it seems most unlikely that a teenager could have financed transporting people to America and I'm also not at all sure that any teenagers could have qualified to have gotten land patents simply because they were not of legal age. Thus, I conclude that Ralph Payne most likely must have been of legal age (21 or older) by 1652, though how much older is unproveable. As to the birth year of his son, Thomas Payne, contemporary records suggest that Thomas was born earlier than "Abt. 1660." Here's the evidence: "Old" Rappahannock, VA Deed Abstracts 1672-1676. Part 2, page 67 reports that a Thomas Payne served as a witness in court on 27 Sept 1673. Since Ralph Payne's apparent brother Thomas Payne had died in 1663, then presumably the Thomas Payne of 1673 is Ralph's son since we know of no other Thomas Paynes at this time in this area. Being a witness in 1673 probably meant that he was at least in his later teens, and, I suspect, more likely was an adult (age 21+). Thus, I think that Thomas Payne, son of Ralph Payne, was born several years prior to "Abt. 1660." Maybe early 1650's and possibly even before that, though exactly when I don't really know and I don't think anyone else knows either. (And indeed, I don't think that anyone can really prove that he was born in Virginia. Just possibly he was born BEFORE the family settled in Virginia. Again, we just cannot prove it one way or the other.) In earlier e-mails I also pointed out that Thomas Payne, son of Ralph Payne, cannot be proven to have died in 1698 either. Records discuss his estate, but only because he had apparently left the region due to debt problems, and the records discussing his estate were only in regard to selling his property to pay off his debts NOT because Thomas was dead. Also, I sent previously sent e-mail explaining that 9 of the children of Thomas Payne (II), who died in 1761, most likely were all from his 1st wife, Catherine Lydford. Jane Bush was only the mother of Sarah, as far as I can determine. While some people have claimed that Thomas Payne (II)'s 1758 will indicates that William and some of the other children of Thomas (II) were children of Jane Bush, that is only an assumption. The Thomas Payne (II) 1758 will makes no such definitive statement concerning which wife was the mother of which children. His son William Payne (died 1818), as I also pointed out, was born sometime between the mid-1720s and the 1730s. He certainly was born well before "Abt. 1747." Among other things, William was having children by the mid-1750's, so most certainly was more than 8 years old when his first children were born. As for Col. Brooke Payne's book and records, yes, for certain, if you have the opportunity, do go through his unpublished records. But his book is valuable too, especially if you have never seen it before. I truly hope you can find clues in it or in his unpublished records on your Bernard Payne family. I, too, am curious who Bernard Payne was since he was not the son of Ralph Payne or of Ralph's apparent brother Thomas Payne (d. 1663). Good luck! Robert King Jim wrote: Thanks David. This is what I was looking for. It has the right wife for Bernard, Another tiny scrap... "David S. Payne" wrote: Jim, I didn't get the info from Kevin Allen <critter@mnic.net> I do have a file from Jack and Sharon Bowie jsbowie@erols.com that has Bernard as a son and it has lots of other info on Weekes, Minors, Montagues, etc. that I am attaching and I don't know much about these Bowies. It has been a while. The Attached file has lots of good info in it but I haven't proven the info yet. Jim <jtpayne1@mindspring.com> wrote: Thanks, Robert. I believe we do then have the same question. David, I note on your page with Ralph's sons, you have a reference to the email critter@mnic.net. Is this the source of your information conncerning Ralph's sons? There seems to be some detail beyond just the names implying some underlying documentation that might be worth consideration. Robert, I don't have a copy of Brooke Payne's book nor have I seen one. Among those with whom I've communicated concerning our branch, there seems to be a consensus that his unpublished material is our best bet. It was David's update on getting that meterial on line that brought his site to my attention. David S. Payne, 1614 Chapman Rd., Anderson, SC, 864-225-3253 otime1@yahoo.com My line: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=otime Searching for surnames mostly in Upstate SC/GA: ADDISON, ALLISON,ARENDALL, CANADY, CORBIN, COX, CRAIG, DEAN, FOWLER, HALEY, GORDON, HENSON, JAMES, McMILLIAN, McPHERSON, MOODY, PARKER, PAYNE, POINDEXTER, REDWINE, REID, SWANN, WEST, TODD, WHITMIRE --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax

Sorry folks; correct- site is-- http://1930census.archives.gov I missed the period at the end of census Lew/

Hi members ; Check out this web site for the 1930 Census. http://1930censusarchives.gov Lew.

john payne <johnthepayne@yahoo.com> wrote: Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:33:09 -0800 (PST) From: john payne Subject: RALPH PAYNE To: "Gale \(Michael\) Nagy" , Jim payne , "Rich \(Joyce\) Payne" CC: otime1@yahoo.com, reking@alaska.net, kittyalex@juno.com, jwilso7761@aol.com Folks: All of this information about Ralph Payne is very useful, but the one thing I have not seen, and Robert King's message points out, is any proof that Ralph even had a son named Bernard, Barnett, etc. Before going any further down this road, I do think that we need to look at this question first. Granted there are some things that do seem to fit together, but that, by itself, is not enough. I am also curious about Thomas, the apparent brother of Ralph. Does anyone have any information on his children? As Gale has pointed out, the name Ralph does not appear in any succeeding generations of our Paynes (the ones from Spotsylvania Co.,VA). Given their penchant for using the same names over and over again, it does make you wonder. Any thoughts? John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax

Cousins, I have corresponding with Robert King, see below, and he seems to have found new info on some of our Paynes and may have a different outlook on our Paynes than we have had before. Seems he has done his homework too. He has written a book that may be of interest to many of the descendants of Ralph Payne that was in Essex Co. VA in the mid 1600s. Robert King <reking@alaska.net> wrote: Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 13:50:09 -0900 From: Robert King Reply-to: reking@alaska.net To: "David S. Payne" CC: Jerry Wilson , Kitty Alexander , johnthepayen@yahoo.com, jtpayne1@mindspring.com Subject: Ralph Payne and his family Hello David, and Happy Easter, Thank you for forwarding recent e-mail from John Payne and Jim Payne. If I understand the information you sent, both John and Jim are descendants of Barnett Payne/Paine who married Elizabeth, with Barnett (per Jim's data) also known as Barnabus or Barnard Paine. And if I also understand this correspondence, both John and Jim apparently found your (David's) statement that Ralph Payne "had four known sons, John, Thomas, Robert, and Bernard." Now, both John and Jim are considering if this is true. For clarification, the Ralph Payne I refer to is the Ralph Payne/Paine mentioned in records as being in what is now Essex County, Virginia as least as early as 7 Feb 1652. On that date, he was listed as a landowner there in a parent of 1250 acres to Samuel Parry who was obtaining nearby land. This 7 Feb 1652 patent to Parry is recorded in the following book: "[Virginia] Land Office Patents No. 3 (1652-1655)," page 81. The original patent can be viewed on the Library of Virginia web site. At that time (7 Feb 1652), the region where Ralph Payne/Paine lived was part of Lancaster County, VA, and then became part of "Old" Rappahannock, VA in 1656. Still later, it became part of Essex County in 1692. I know of no earlier documentary evidence for Ralph Payne being in Virginia prior to 7 Feb 1652. Thus, I believe that the most accurate statement about him would be that he settled in Virginia by 7 Feb 1652, but how much earlier is unknown. Similarly unknown are any members of his immediate family (possible sons or daughters) other than one son, Thomas Payne, who is specifically mentioned to be his son in the following record recorded in Old Rappahannock County, VA Deed Book 7, pages 513-516, located in the Essex County, VA courthouse in Tappahannock, VA. This deed, dated 17 Jan 1688 reported that Thomas Payne was selling land which had been patented to his father, Ralph Payne, in 1655. The deed directly calls Thomas Payne as the "son" of Ralph Payne. Apart from this connection, I have never found any other contemporary deeds, court records, wills, or anything else giving even a clue as to other children of Ralph Payne. I'd be delighted if any such records exist, but after many years of tracking down Payne records, I'm getting doubtful that they do exist. So who was Barnett Payne? I really don't have any idea. The best study I have seen of the early Payne Payne/Paine families of the region was done by Col. Brooke Payne. He published a book in 1937, entitled "The Paynes of Virginia," which focused on his line of Paynes who descended, he reported, from a John Payne who settled in Lancaster Co., Va. Yet, in studying his ancestry, his research turned up no fewer than four other families of Paynes/Paines, about which he provided brief overviews in his book. This included Payne families in Northumberland County, in Westmoreland County, and in Essex County--with the latter people NOT connected to the Ralph Payne group of Paynes which he termed still another group: the "Rappahannock group." I am NO authority on any of these other (non-Ralph Payne) groups of Paynes. I am also not an authority on still other early Paynes and Payne families which were in Virginia prior to 1700 and NOT mentioned in Col. Payne's wonderful book. Re! search on them hopefully will be done (or is being done) by other people. My notes on them are fragmentary at best. Instead, my focus has been on the Ralph Payne family from which I descend, and, as noted, I just have found nothing whatsoever to connect any children to him other than the one son Thomas. Hope that helps a little, and if anyone does have documentary evidence to show that Ralph Payne had more children, please let me know. Also, if anyone can prove that Ralph Payne were alive after October of 1659, I'd appreciate that information also. From my research, the last known reference to him is dated October 1659 (exact day in October not reported), when he and his apparent brother Thomas Payne served to help appraise "Rockingham," the name of the estate of a former neighbor, Lieut. Colonel Tobias Smith. This was done at the request of the local court and is recorded in Old Rappahannock County, VA Deed Abstracts 1656-1664, Part 1, p. 61; also in Essex County, VA Deed Book 2, p. 98; plus in Col. Payne's 1937 book on page 4. Because Ralph Payne is not found in known later records of the region (after October 1659), and because his apparent brother Thomas Payne is mentioned quite a bit in these records until his death in the 1660s, this can be taken as circumstantial evidence that Ralph Payne MIGHT have died fairly soon after October 1659. While this is NOT PROOF, this speculation is reasonable given what I have said about the know records for Ralph Payne. In my view, to think that Ralph Payne lived on for several years afterwards and was not mentioned at all in any more records, and also had several more children just isn't as easy to square with the few facts which can be proven about Ralph Payne. Sincerely, Robert King "David S. Payne" wrote: Robert, Check out this query that may correspond with our discussions. David john payne <johnthepayne@yahoo.com> wrote: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 10:54:17 -0800 (PST) From: john payne Subject: BERNARD PAYNE, SON OF RALPH PAYNE To: jtpayne1@mindspring.com, "Gale \(Michael\) Nagy" , otime1@yahoo.com, ppayne1203@earthlink.net, "Rich \(Joyce\) Payne" Everybody: This information has me interested. Ralph Payne was born ca 1625 in England and moved to Virginia by 1650. He had four known sons, John, Thomas, Robert, and Bernard. Since all four of these names are common in our Spotsylvania Co. Paynes, it does make you wonder. The earliest known ancestor of our line is Barnett Paine, who marrried Elizabeth _________. Their first child was born ca 1692, which would fit in well with his having been born ca 1670. I have seen the names Bernard and Barnett used interchangably as regards to our anc! estor. I am wondering if Ralph Payne is not the father of our Barnett Paine. Another point to consider: Ralph Payne lived in Rappahanock Co., VA, which I believe eventually became Essex Co., VA. Essex and King and Queen Counties were two of the counties that eventually formed Spotsylvania Co., VA. ALso, Barnett Paine lived in King and Queen County, which adjoined Essex Co. I would love to hear from all of you about this. John Payne johnthepayne@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ David S. Payne, 1614 Chapman Rd., Anderson, SC, 864-225-3253 otime1@yahoo.com My line: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=otime Searching for surnames mostly in Upstate SC/GA: ADDISON, ALLISON,ARENDALL, CANADY, CORBIN, COX, CRAIG, DEAN, FOWLER, HALEY, GORDON, HENSON, JAMES, McMILLIAN, McPHERSON, MOODY, PARKER, PAYNE, POINDEXTER, REDWINE, REID, SWANN, WEST, TODD, WHITMIRE --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send greetings for Easter, Passover

> First, they just announced that the Queen Mother of England has died at > 101. God Save the King. And which King would that be? Queen Elizabeth II still going strong as she approaches her Golden Jubilee, despite the recent deaths of both her sister and mother, as far as those of us on this side of the Atlantic are aware. Rachel Bedfordshire, UK

I should clarify the information in my last mail a bit. The Queen Mother was the mother of the Queen, who was crowned in 1952. So I should have ended that report with God Save the Queen. Charles will have to wait. Regards, Patrick

Hello Everyone, Just a couple of updates. First, they just announced that the Queen Mother of England has died at 101. God Save the King. I heard from Relative Genetics in response to my queries about adding new participants to our project that have contacted me in recent days. The word from them is that since they had already received our initial round of samples and they are wrapping up the testing on those, that any new participants at this point would be considered as a new test, requiring the full fee of $245.00. Rather than adding any new participants, it will be better to wait until we have results back from our first group. Once we have those results and have digested their meaning, determined connections between branches, etc., I can then judge the response and see what interest there is in another round of testing. Should we proceed with another round, we can get the same type of discount we received previously. The price will depend on the number of participants as before. In other news, I have been working with Bob Maley on his US GeoGen Project by coordinating the Virginia State page. It is now on line at http://papayne.rootsweb.com/geogen/va-geogen.html, however, the search engine is not useful yet. The site is waiting to be indexed before the search engine will work. For those of you who might not be familiar with this project, it is a nationwide effort to list the locations (complete with the Latitude/Longitude for GPS users) of all state cemeteries and other sites of genealogical or historical interest. A very ambitious project that I immediately took too. The National Page is located at http://geogen.org/ Regards, Patrick Payne

Patrick, we may have found a connection with Don. Checking it out... Patrick Payne wrote: > At 12:19 PM 03/27/2002 -0800, David S. Payne wrote: > > > >I am refering to Don Paynes mail below on Brooke Payne's boxes of info > that are in the University of VA Library. > > David, > > Thank you for the update on this project. > > A few days ago I was prompted by correspondence I had with Chuck Johnson > regarding William Payne (m1. Frances Clements; m2. Elizabeth Hawkins), to > go through Brooke Payne's Rappahannock County File that I had received from > UVA Library a couple of year's ago. I was able to order photocopies of the > complete folder from them with no trouble (and suspect they would have > copied any other folder had I wished). I just never found the time to > really get into until recently. > > The first thing that I noticed may have some impact on this project. If I > remember correctly, one of the issues Don faced is that the LDS had wanted > Brooke's files indexed. If that is still an issue, then it might be helpful > to know that this Rappahannock County File was received completely indexed. > It appears that Brooke had done all of the indexing himself. I can't speak > for the other files, but at least this one references all of the names with > the page numbers in the file. Additionally, Brooke references the records > locations and page numbers. It also appears that UVA has done some form of > indexing, at least as far as identifying each collection to a box and folder. > > Just thought I would mention this as I'm not sure if LDS or anyone else > involved has been to the Library to view the contents yet. > > I hope this is good news. > > Regards, > > Patrick Payne

At 12:19 PM 03/27/2002 -0800, David S. Payne wrote: > >I am refering to Don Paynes mail below on Brooke Payne's boxes of info that are in the University of VA Library. David, Thank you for the update on this project. A few days ago I was prompted by correspondence I had with Chuck Johnson regarding William Payne (m1. Frances Clements; m2. Elizabeth Hawkins), to go through Brooke Payne's Rappahannock County File that I had received from UVA Library a couple of year's ago. I was able to order photocopies of the complete folder from them with no trouble (and suspect they would have copied any other folder had I wished). I just never found the time to really get into until recently. The first thing that I noticed may have some impact on this project. If I remember correctly, one of the issues Don faced is that the LDS had wanted Brooke's files indexed. If that is still an issue, then it might be helpful to know that this Rappahannock County File was received completely indexed. It appears that Brooke had done all of the indexing himself. I can't speak for the other files, but at least this one references all of the names with the page numbers in the file. Additionally, Brooke references the records locations and page numbers. It also appears that UVA has done some form of indexing, at least as far as identifying each collection to a box and folder. Just thought I would mention this as I'm not sure if LDS or anyone else involved has been to the Library to view the contents yet. I hope this is good news. Regards, Patrick Payne

I am in hopes one of you will know of my 4th gr grandfather- 1. William PAYNE / PAINE b abt 1710 of Wallingford, New Haven, CT d 14 Oct 1793 Cheshire, New Haven, CT md ...... New Haven county, CT TO: Sarah .......... b ............ d ............ William was a nephew of Shadrack SEEGAR from Rhode Island. I don't know who Shadrack SEEGAR was - but I would think he would be a husband of William's father's sister - who ever they were -- William PAYNE and Sarah were parents of 6 children all born Wallingford, New Haven, Connecticut - i. Sarah PAYNE ...... ii. Alice aka Elsa PAYNE 3 Sep 1754 iii. Elizabeth PAYNE 14 Feb 1756 iv. Eleanor PAYNE 25 Oct 1757 v. Priscilla PAYNE 2. vi. Rachel PAYNE 2. Rachel PAYNE b 14 Jan 1766 Wallingford, New Haven, CT d bef 1794 ,New Haven, CT md 12 Apr 1787 Wallingford, New Haven, CT TO: Isaac 6) RICE [changed from ROYCE] b 10 oct 1762 Wallingford, New Haven, CT d 5 Apr 1842 Vernon Twp, Trumbull, Ohio Thank you for your time and help - Wilma Fleming Haynes gencon@harborside.com

I am refering to Don Paynes mail below on Brooke Payne's boxes of info that are in the University of VA Library. How are things coming on getting the LDS to transcribe Brookes info into a form for us to view online? >From: "Don Payne" >To: >CC: >Subject: Col. Payne Collection, #920 >Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 20:08:17 -0700 > >Hi folks: > >We are waiting for LDS to let us know when they can get to the Alderman Library to begin photographing the collection. They have indicated they will give us three months notice so we can prepare the collection for their arrival. Several people have indicated they can help do this and I will add Joan's name to the list. > >Don Payne David S. Payne, 1614 Chapman Rd., Anderson, SC, 864-225-3253 <otime1@yahoo.com> View my Gedcoms at: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=otime My Wife's line: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=cateel Searching for surnames mostly in Upstate SC/GA: ADDISON, ALLISON, ARENDALE/ARENDELL/ARENDALL, CANADY, CORBIN, COX, CRAIG, DEAN, FOWLER, GILLILAN, HALEY, GORDON, GRAY, HENSON, JAMES, McMILLIAN, McPHERSON, MOODY, NEWTON, PARKER, PASSMORE, PATTERSON, PAYNE, POINDEXTER, REDWINE, REID, ROY, SHIRES, SWANN, WEST, TODD, WHITMIRE, WOODALL --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards�

Thought y'all would like this one. Julia: A good one for RootsWeb. > [Original Message] > From: Don <ddw@digisys.net> > To: John Miller <gayletx@bellsouth.net>; Brenda Martin <bmartin@khsd.k12.ca.us>; DeWanda <IngramDeWan@aol.com>; gwen <gcarroll@onemain.com>; <Leenaum50@aol.com>; <Jokerswilda66205@aol.com>; <Farmofbrown@aol.com>; Melanie <lemmit@3-cities.com>; <fateson@prodigy.net> > Date: 3/25/02 12:33:24 AM > Subject: Fw: off topic-Genealogy 12 Commandments > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Odessa Clayton" <odessahc@hotmail.com> > To: <bettya@brooksdata.net>; <ddw@digisys.net>; <lemmit@3-cities.com>; > <ballinger@acsisp.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 9:06 AM > Subject: Fwd: off topic-Genealogy 12 Commandments > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Helene Pockrus" <helenepockrus@earthlink.net> > > >Reply-To: "Helene Pockrus" <helenepockrus@earthlink.net> > > >To: "Helene Pockrus" <txphlp44@enol.com> > > >Subject: off topic-Genealogy 12 Commandments > > >Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:44:01 -0700 > > > > > >Blank > > >1. Thou shalt name your male children, James, John, Joseph, Josiah, > > >Abel, Richard, Thomas, William. Thou shalt name thy female children, > > >Elizabeth, Mary, Martha, Maria, Sarah, Ida, Virginia, May. > > >2. Thou shalt leave no trace of your female children. > > >3. Thou shalt, after naming your children from the above lists, call > > >them by strange nicknames such as: Ike, Eli, Polly, Dolly, or Sukey > > >making them difficult to trace. > > >4. Thou shalt NOT use any middle names on any legal documents or > > >census reports, and only where necessary, you may use only initials on > > >legal documents. > > >5. Thou shalt learn to sign all documents illegibly, so that your > > >surname can be spelled or misspelled in various ways: Hicks, Hix, Hixe, > > >Hucks, Kicks, etc. > > >6. Thou shalt after no more than 3 generations, make sure that all > > >family records are lost, misplaced, burned in a courthouse fire, or > > >buried so that NO future trace of them can be found. > > >7. Thou shalt propogate misleading legends, rumors and vague innuendos > > >regarding your place of origin: > > > a. You came from: Eng., Ire., Sct., > > > Wales or Iran. > > > b. You may have American Indian > > > ancestry of the ----- tribe > > > c. You may have descended from 3 > > > brothers that came over from --- > > >8. Thou shalt leave NO cemetery records, or headstones with legible > > >names. > > >9. Thou shalt leave NO family Bible with records of birth, marriages > > >or deaths. > > >10. Thou shalt ALWAYS flip thy name around. If born James Albert, thou > > >must make all the rest of thy records in the names of Albert, AJ, JA, > > >AL, Bert, Bart or Alfred. > > >11. Thou shalt always flip thy parent's names when making reference to > > >them, although "unknown" or a blank space is an acceptable alternative. > > >12. Thou shalt name at least 5 generations of males and dozens of their > > >cousins with identical names in order to totally confuse researchers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > > --- kS2Oc5yKeBE= dpVpTiYLRebzj//JP08P3A== --- mijojohn@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

Does anyone know anything about the family below. I hoping to find something out. I think the Margarett below married my ggg grand father David M. Phillips in 1854, MS. Please look this over and help me solve a family mystery. CENSUS YR: 1850 STATE or TERRITORY: MS COUNTY: PONTOTOC REEL NO: M432-628 PAGE NO: 126B REFERENCE: 11TH DAY OF OCTOBER 1850, ANDREW J. CLARK ASS'T MARSHAL 1 965 965 PAYNE ARCHIBALD 50 M FARMER 150 GA 2 965 965 PAYNE PRUDENCE 47 F GA 3 965 965 PAYNE MARGARETT 21 F MS 4 965 965 PAYNE LODUSCA 17 F MS 5 965 965 PAYNE SUSAN 10 F MS 6 965 965 PAYNE WILLIAM 13 M MS 7 965 965 PAYNE RACHEL 8 F MS 8 965 965 PAYNE ELIZA 3 F MS 9 965 965 PAYNE CATHARINE 2 F MS