Melungeon traces at last? Wes Gann Patrick Payne wrote: >Thought I would share with the list an e-mail I received today from >Relative Genetics to let me know that they are continuing to work on the >final analysis of our tests. Although they have not revealed any specifics >to me yet, it is comments like this that lead me to believe that we are in >for some surprises: > > >At 10:08 AM 05/15/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >>I just wanted to let you know that we are still working. Your family >> >provides us with an interesting study so we are really trying to be sure we >can >give you the best analysis. > >>I will let you know if I have any questions. >> > > >Regards, > >Patrick > >

Thought I would share with the list an e-mail I received today from Relative Genetics to let me know that they are continuing to work on the final analysis of our tests. Although they have not revealed any specifics to me yet, it is comments like this that lead me to believe that we are in for some surprises: At 10:08 AM 05/15/2002 -0600, you wrote: >I just wanted to let you know that we are still working. Your family provides us with an interesting study so we are really trying to be sure we can >give you the best analysis. >I will let you know if I have any questions. Regards, Patrick

In an effort to remedy the experience of one of our test participants who did not receive the proper testing kit, I have forwarded the post to the lab to see what can be done at this point, should they still wish to participate. I have also contacted them off-list. However, I wanted to post something to the list in general as well, since there are nearly 600 subscribers, most of whom are following this project with interest. I cannot explain why this happened and can only attribute it to "sloppy work" in this case. As the coordinator of the project, I take responsibility for the mix up because I should have been able to correct the situation when I was first notified of it and then had the foresight to follow up to ensure the situation was rectified. I failed to do that. I did not contact the participant to ensure another packet was received. I hope that the participant and everyone else with an interest in this project will understand that at the time I was juggling several things, such as adding/removing participants, contacting other potential participants, as well as unrelated tasks in both my professional and personal life. All of these things, combined with the fact that this was my first experience with coordinating such a project, contributed to the cause of this participants experience. I apologize to everyone for that because this participant represents a integral part of our project as a descendant of Flayle. As for the lab, I cannot make excuses for them, but I do know that this situation occurred during a hand off from my initial contact with the labs general supervisor to someone that I assume works in the front office. Between the two, the ball was dropped. This in no way relieved me of my own responsibility in following up however. With that said, I earnestly believe that everyone involved with this project (participants, coordinator and lab) desire the best. The lab has been very helpful throughout each step of the process and I never once felt that they were "out of the loop." Overall, I would still have to say that the project has gone well. Of the few glitches we had, with the exception of this one perhaps, I attribute them to the fact that we added and removed several participants in mid-stream. Right up to March, we were adding and removing participants. I think it is to the labs credit that they handled the situation as well as they did. In addition, the lab had given us a $100.00 discount over their normal fee based on the number of participants we initially anticipated. After that number was reached, they would have been justified in charging regular prices for our new participants, but did not even mention it. Having read some of the experiences of other family DNA projects, I feel that we have not only been fortunate, but that we also chose the best lab available. I would not hesitate to use them again and should we find a need to have a second round of testing with an entirely new set of participants, I hope this item will not discourage anyone from joining it. Regards, Patrick

I signed up as one of the initial participants in the Payne DNA project. My ancestor was Flayle Payne who was born in London, England in 1696 to parents Thomas and Elizabeth Payne. In the early 1700s Flayle was found in Maryland and was among the first inhabitants to move westward along the Potomac River. On January 9, Relative Genetics mailed me an envelope like all other participants in this project. The only problem was my envelope was empty except for a payment sheet. There were no swabs, no envelope, nothing. They promised to send the correct kit and it never arrived. I never heard from them. One more time I requested a complete kit and it did not arrive either. I can only assume two things. Either Relative Genetics did not want to include me in the project or they just do sloppy work. Norman L. Payne

Hello Everyone, Thought I would update everyone all at once by posting this to the lists. Relative Genetics has completed the DNA profiles for ALL of our participants at this point and they are now working on the final test analysis with Dr. Woodward, the director. I am very encouraged by what I have heard so far. They have not revealed anything to me yet, but their questions are very interesting! They have asked me to provide more information on the genealogy of our participants, particularly those representing our earliest lines. I take this to mean that they have found something worth taking a closer look at. I have provided them with what is known about the English origins of our New England branches, as well as our family traditions surrounding the Virginia branch, along with other recent clues found in records. I still need to provide them details on the Jersey and Suffolk branches, but will not be able to finish that up until the weekend. But they will have it when they arrive back at the office on Monday. I cannot determine at this point how long the analysis process will take. They will need to digest the information and then write up an analysis for each participant, as well as a final report encompassing the entire project as I understand it. I imagine that could take a few days at least. I am in close contact with the lab (communicating with them everyday at this point) and as soon as they can give me a better idea on when we can expect to have results, I will pass it along to participants. By my own estimation, I would venture to say perhaps by the end of next week things should be wrapped up. I want to thank everyone (particularly the participants) for being so patient! I know this has taken longer than we initially anticipated, but that was largely my fault by allowing new participants to enter the project well after we began returning samples to the lab. This caused the process to be extended by several weeks I'm sure as each test requires 6 weeks. Nevertheless, we are in the final stage of the process and our contact assures us that we will be pleased with the results. That's a quote. Regards, Patrick

Here is a note from Kristin . Thanks Kristin -Lew Eby ----- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: Re; Native American: > It's a good site--you do have to leave off the last two parts > (/cgi-bin/search.cgi)to get to the search form without an error message. > Thanks for the info! > Kristin Blanchard > > -----Original Message----- > From: blmarble [mailto:blmarble@adelphia.net] > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 11:53 AM > To: PAYNE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Fw: Re; Native American: > > > It seems that some of the list did not see my OPPS e-mail on the Native > American Site So here it is again > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "blmarble" <blmarble@adelphia.net> > To: <PAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 9:39 AM > Subject: Re; Native American: > > > > OPPS; I my rush I left out the site Sorry; > > try this--http://userdb.rootsweb.com/nativeamerican/cgi-bin/search.cgi > Lew Eby > > >

It seems that some of the list did not see my OPPS e-mail on the Native American Site So here it is again ----- Original Message ----- From: "blmarble" <blmarble@adelphia.net> To: <PAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 9:39 AM Subject: Re; Native American: > OPPS; I my rush I left out the site Sorry; > try this--http://userdb.rootsweb.com/nativeamerican/cgi-bin/search.cgi Lew Eby >

Hello, On my new website www.peene.net, I would like to create a page with links to other sites that have information about the family Peene, Payne, Pain, or any other relative of this name. If you own such a site, or know the address of such a site, please let me know it, so I can make a link to it from my website. Best Regards, Werner Peene http://peene.net

OPPS; I my rush I left out the site Sorry; try this--http://userdb.rootsweb.com/nativeamerican/cgi-bin/search.cgi Lew Eby

To those of you that have expresed interest in a connection of the Payne and the Native Americans check out this site . I found 389 names listed. Lew Eby ( payne related on my mothers sie of the Tree0

I am new to this list hoping to find out more about the subject PAYNE and FROST. "WILLIAM PAYNE, New Haven 1667, perhaps br. of John, was freem. 1669, had, by w. whose name is not seen, MERCY, wh. m. 9 June 1664, John FROST; Elizabeth wh. m. 11 Oct. 1666, Thomas Sanford; and John, bef. ment. Late in life, he m. Nov. 1679, Mary, wid. of Francis Brown, and his inv. was of 11 Jan. 1685." [James Savage] Mentioned as William Pain's heirs on the List of Proprietor of the Town of New Haven in 1685. [NEH&GR Vol. 1, Apr. 1847, p. 158.] John FROST was a proprietor of the Town of New Haven in 1685. [NEH&GR Vol. 1, Apr. 1847, p. 157.] Does anyone have any more information about these people, especially their English origins, relatives and/or ancestors? George W. Page Bryans Road, MD

I am still looking for a Payne marriage to my ancestor, Samuel Randolph. If anyone has any info, please contact me. My email address is: jpatton@ij.net Jan

This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1020433153-16565-1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. If anyone knows of this PAYNE line,your input would be appreciated. John and Lydia also had a son Jim,he is still living and married to a Darlene(sp)her first name. They also had another son, Im not for sure on his name,it might of been John. This Payne family is mostly form the dayton area, Miamisburg. Im married to the son of Joseph Walter Payne Sr. But unfortunaltely his mom or himself dont know much about the Paynes. Again thanks Donna (1) 1 John Charles PAYNE, M Birth: OCTOBER 27, 1903, IN Death: JULY 17, 1983, Dayton, OH Spouse: Lydia WOLFE, F Children: Joseph Walter, M (1929-1995) (2) 1.1 Joseph Walter PAYNE, M Birth: DECEMBER 8, 1929, Dayton, Ohio Death: JULY 1, 1995, Dayton, OH Spouse: Bennie Joyce WARD, F Birth: , Berea, Madison County,KY Father: Benjamin Franklin WARD, M (1911-1996) Mother: Mamie Esther POWELL, F (1912-1982) Children: Jeff, M Joseph Walter, M (3) 1.1.1 Jeff PAYNE, M Birth: MAY (3) 1.1.2 Joseph Walter PAYNE, M Birth: Dayton, Ohio occu: Metrologist Spouse: Donna Marie HEY, Source, F Birth: , Xenia, Ohio Father: John Orin HEY, Father, M (1937-2001) Mother: Martha Mildred STRAUB, Mother, F (1942-) Marr: JUNE 25, 1988, Miamisburg, OH Children: Amber Lynn F Joseph Allen Scott M John Franklin (4) 1.1.2.1 Amber Lynn PAYNE, Daughter, F Birth: Okinawa, Japan was born in a military hospitial played flute in school band was in galatic, a group for gifted people was student class treasure in 6th grade (4) 1.1.2.2 Joseph Scott Allen PAYNE, Son, M Birth: two middel names given because mom couldnt decide b etween Allen, after his uncle Jeff Allen or Scott,after his uncle Ken Scott HEy played drums in school band (4) 1.1.2.3 John Franklin PAYNE, Son, M Birth: Index HEY Donna Marie spouse of (3) 1.1.2 PAYNE Amber Lynn (4) 1.1.2.1 Jeff (3) 1.1.1 John Charles (1) 1 John Franklin (4) 1.1.2.3 Joseph Scott Allen (4) 1.1.2.2 Joseph Walter (2) 1.1 Joseph Walter (3) 1.1.2 WARD Bennie Joyce spouse of (2) 1.1 WOLFE Lydia spouse of (1) 1 Check out my genealogy forum: http://forums.delphiforums.com/genealogyforum1 (the one is part of the url) Thanks for all help,I am now one step closer to finding the fallen leaves from my family tree. God Bless, Donna Surnames:HEY,RHODES,FRY,PICKENS,MOREHEAD, BANTA,SMITH,WISE,HITTLE,BURKETT,GOTSCHALL, VOLTZ,STIENMETZ,STETTLER,MURRAY and many more. --- message from PAYNE-D-request@rootsweb.com attached: _____________________________________________________________ Sign up for your FREE email from RootsSearch.net at http://www.rootssearch.net Get yourroots@rootssearch.net FREE! _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email@yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag ------------=_1020433153-16565-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by imta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2852557B1E for <ringojade@rootssearch.net>; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g42I1CT09038; Thu, 2 May 2002 12:01:12 -0600 Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 12:01:12 -0600 Message-Id: <200205021801.g42I1CT09038@lists5.rootsweb.com> From: PAYNE-D-request@rootsweb.com Subject: PAYNE-D Digest V02 #56 X-Loop: PAYNE-D@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <PAYNE-D@rootsweb.com> archive/volume02/56 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: PAYNE-D@rootsweb.com Reply-To: PAYNE-L@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain PAYNE-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 56 Today's Topics: #1 ANY RELATIONSHIP ? [Jim Smith <smithman@mindspring.com] #2 Re: ANY RELATIONSHIP ? [Patrick Payne <ppayne1203@earthlin] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from PAYNE-D, send a message to PAYNE-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #1 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 19:53:54 -0400 From: Jim Smith <smithman@mindspring.com> To: PAYNE-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501193051.0283a868@pop.mindspring.com> Subject: ANY RELATIONSHIP ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Keturah Payne, daughter of Robert Payne and Ann Burton, was born 02 Feb1765 in Goochland Co., VA. She married Wynne Dixon of Caswell Co., NC, 08 Jan 1786 in Pittsylvania Co., VA. Rachel Paine, daughter of Thomas Paine and Catherine Lydford was born in Middlesex Co., VA. She married Samuel Smith of Essex Co., VA, before 20 Nov 1749 in Essex Co., VA. Can anyone tell me if these families are related? ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #2 Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 03:55:31 -0400 From: Patrick Payne <ppayne1203@earthlink.net> To: PAYNE-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <E173BRf-0004lq-00@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: ANY RELATIONSHIP ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jim Currently, there is only a suspicion that the two families were related. The former descend from John Payne (d. 1689/90) of Westmoreland Co., and the latter from Ralph Payne, of Middlesex. The two families were neighbors and had been associated in several ways, but no records have firmly established a relationship between them. Stay tuned though. Hopefully, the results from our DNA testing [due any day now] will have an answer for us! Regards, Patrick Payne At 07:53 PM 05/01/2002 -0400, Jim Smith wrote: >Keturah Payne, daughter of Robert Payne and Ann Burton, was born 02 >Feb1765 in Goochland Co., VA. She married Wynne Dixon of Caswell Co., >NC, 08 Jan 1786 in Pittsylvania Co., VA. > >Rachel Paine, daughter of Thomas Paine and Catherine Lydford was born in >Middlesex Co., VA. She married Samuel Smith of Essex Co., VA, before 20 >Nov 1749 in Essex Co., VA. > >Can anyone tell me if these families are related? > -------------------------------- End of PAYNE-D Digest V02 Issue #56 *********************************** ------------=_1020433153-16565-1--

Jim, I am wandering about your query on Rachael as Daughter of Thomas and Cathrine Lydford Payne. I have info on his family and I don't have a Rachael listed as a daughter. In his will he mentions four daughters-- Lettice, Frances, Catherine and Mary _____. I understand that he had another daughter that was born after he died named Sarah. I have lots of info on this family on my website below and wander if I am missing something or one of these daughters was the Rachael you mentioned? Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 19:53:54 -0400 From: Jim Smith To: PAYNE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: ANY RELATIONSHIP ? Keturah Payne, daughter of Robert Payne and Ann Burton, was born 02 Feb1765 in Goochland Co., VA. She married Wynne Dixon of Caswell Co., NC, 08 Jan 1786 in Pittsylvania Co., VA. Rachel Paine, daughter of Thomas Paine and Catherine Lydford was born in Middlesex Co., VA. She married Samuel Smith of Essex Co., VA, before 20 Nov 1749 in Essex Co., VA. Can anyone tell me if these families are related? David S. Payne, 1614 Chapman Rd., Anderson, SC, 29621, 864-225-3253 otime1@yahoo.com My line: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=otime Searching for surnames mostly in Upstate SC/GA: ADDISON, ALLISON,ARENDALL, CANADY, CORBIN, COX, CRAIG, DEAN, FOWLER, HALEY, GORDON, HENSON, JAMES, McMILLIAN, McPHERSON, MOODY, PARKER, PAYNE, POINDEXTER, REDWINE, REID, SWANN, WEST, TODD, WHITMIRE --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness

Jim Currently, there is only a suspicion that the two families were related. The former descend from John Payne (d. 1689/90) of Westmoreland Co., and the latter from Ralph Payne, of Middlesex. The two families were neighbors and had been associated in several ways, but no records have firmly established a relationship between them. Stay tuned though. Hopefully, the results from our DNA testing [due any day now] will have an answer for us! Regards, Patrick Payne At 07:53 PM 05/01/2002 -0400, Jim Smith wrote: >Keturah Payne, daughter of Robert Payne and Ann Burton, was born 02 >Feb1765 in Goochland Co., VA. She married Wynne Dixon of Caswell Co., >NC, 08 Jan 1786 in Pittsylvania Co., VA. > >Rachel Paine, daughter of Thomas Paine and Catherine Lydford was born in >Middlesex Co., VA. She married Samuel Smith of Essex Co., VA, before 20 >Nov 1749 in Essex Co., VA. > >Can anyone tell me if these families are related? >

Keturah Payne, daughter of Robert Payne and Ann Burton, was born 02 Feb1765 in Goochland Co., VA. She married Wynne Dixon of Caswell Co., NC, 08 Jan 1786 in Pittsylvania Co., VA. Rachel Paine, daughter of Thomas Paine and Catherine Lydford was born in Middlesex Co., VA. She married Samuel Smith of Essex Co., VA, before 20 Nov 1749 in Essex Co., VA. Can anyone tell me if these families are related?

While entering some Payne data fromTX historic records I found a note I'd overlooked before: "There is a pencilled correction that Randolph and Jane were children of John Payne Senior--thus John's brother and sister." I looked up Randolph Payne in LDS Family Search, found nothing except a surname website. <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~ProlificPains/index.html">Those Prolific Pains</A> Pamela Randolph being the owner. Anyone have any Randolphs born 1780-90 in GA or VA or the road in between? Marilyne Short Payne

Does anyone have info on Mary Elizabeth Payne b. ca. 1769 NC who m. Samuel Peyton Randolph. I'm looking for the parents/sibs of either or their children. I've been told that they were the parents of my ggggrandfather, William Randolph. Thanks, Jan

Barnett PAINE, who married Elizabeth __________, died in King and Queen County, Virginia about 1742. One of his sons was John PAINE who married Frances COLEMAN. Another son was Barnett PAINE, JR. ,who died in 1740 in Virginia. He is supposed to have married Anne HASKEW, granddaughter of Edward Pigg. I have seen some speculation that his son was the Joseph PAYNE whom married Phoebe OFFAL, and that this was the Joseph who died in Bedford County, Virginia in 1804. Does anyone have any infromation that will confirm this relation? Second, Barnett PAINE is supposed to have had a son William PAINE. Does anyone know anything about this son? Third, Barnett PAINE is supposed to have a had a daughter Mary PAINE who married Lawrence FRANKLIN; does anyone know anything about this family? Lawrence Franklin is supposed to have died in Anson Co, NC about 1791. Fourth, Barnett PAINE is suppsed to have had a daughter Ann, who was born in Middlesex Co., Virginina in 1692; does anyone know anything more about her? Fifth, there was a Barnett PAINE who was murdered by Richard Adams in Halifax County, Virginia in 1793. Does anyone know who this Barnett PAINE was? Finally, does anyone know anything about any additional children that Barnett and Elizabeth PAINE may have had? Also, does anyone know anything about the father of Barnett PAINE? John Payne __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com

Is anyone working on this MD family? Nehemiah, b. 15 Dec. 1733, son of: Isaac, b. 1710, son of: Thomas, b 1686. Nehemiah's son, John, b 1755 MD or NC, d. Green Co GA 1828, md Mildred Haynes (believe her to be b. GA). I'm following this lead through Ancestral Files and think it may be my source to begin to check records for parentage of John Payne in Sabine Co. TX. At this point my connection to the Flayle Payne line is flawed. Thanks, Marilyne Short Payne