Dear "Cousin Ken", I don't know if this is any help to you with regard to your post below, but I have a marriage performed in 1864, by Rev. Hacke, which took place in Allegheny Twp., Westmoreland Co., PA. From what I have been told he was a Lutheran minister. Marybeth C. ========================================== << Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:09:54 -0600 From: "Barbara Lorensen" <lllorensen@socket.net> To: "Westmoreland county" <PAWESTMO-D@rootsweb.com>, Subject: Long help Good morning I'm hoping someone can help us on these Black's. My cousin mailed me this information that he knows.. If anyone can help please contact me at lllorensen@socket.net thanks Barb My great granfather's name was Hacke Long and his wife's name was Martha Hathaway. One of Martha's ancestors came on the same ship as William Penn, founder of Pennsylvania. The name of the ship was the "Friendship". Many of the passengers on the voyage died of disease (maybe smallpox) and were buried at sea. Only half arrived at Philadelphia. According to my uncle, John Larry Long, he said that family tales tell of coming from Germany to Belgium, then to England then America. It must have been in the late 1600's or early 1700's. Interestingly, there is a town in Belgium by the name of Hacke, my great grandfather's first name. I was also told that he may have been named after a circuit riding preacher who rode a mule to several early German churches in the Armstrong County and Westmoreland County area. His name was Rev. Hacke. Although I seem to have this much info., I really can't "connect the dots". One of my mother's relatives (maybe an aunt) was Effie Long from the Vandergrift area. I know that my parents spoke of being cousins by marriage. There are many Long's in the Vandergrift/Leechburg area, but I simply can't join any two together. Really frustrating to have this much to go on, but can't get to "first base". Like I said earlier, if I could get past my great grandfather, then I would be home free. I am also told that my great grandfather changed the name from Lang to Long, since he wanted to keep the German pronunciation of "Long", which is the way Lang is pronounced in Germany. When my Lang/Long ancestors left Germany, Germany was not a country yet, but many small states. I! believe that we came from the area of Munich, whatever principality that may have been at the time. Austria is within spitting distance of Munich (I have been there, it's beautiful) and they could have come from the Austrian Alps area. Today, that part of Germany is called Bavaria. Cousin Ken ______________________________ >>