James, The place they both were from was the Kingdom of Würtemberg, now part of the state of Baden-Wuerttemberg in SW Germany. It is interesting that the 1850 census taker listed their homeland as Germany, 22 years before there was a Germany. In the tradition of German naming conventions, both Adam and Gottlieb could have Christian names preceding their rufname (name known by), such as Johann (John), Jacob (James), Carl (Charles), or Christian. Considering the closeness of their ages, their homeland, and the proximity of their residences, they are very likely brothers. The LDS IGI File (FamilySearch website) lists a Johann Adam STARK, b: 14 OCT 1797 in Geislingen Ellwangen, Jagstkreis, Wuerttemberg. Unfortunately, there is no brother Gottlieb shown. ========================== Interestingly, the 1870 census shows both of these STARK families on the same page Gottlieb Stark, 77, wagon manufacturer, Würtemberg Elizabeth, 53, PA Matilda, 17 William, 13 Adam Stark, 73, retired farmer, Würtemberg Charlotte, 72, PA Troxie Melissa, 22 ================================ The 1860 census shows them one page apart Adam Stark, 63, farmer, Würtemberg Charlotte, 62, George, 26 Gottlieb Stark, 61, wagon maker, Würtemberg Elizabeth, 43 Mathilda, 10 William G, 3 ================================ Adam Stark, 53, coach maker, Germany Charlotte, 52 Caleb, 20 Lucy, 22 Catharine, 17 George, 16 Susan, 12 William, 10 Gottlieb Stark, 51, wagon maker, Germany Maria, 51 John, 23 =============================== At 12:00 AM 11/17/2005, you wrote: >From: j.miller@james-miller.org >To: PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: STARK FAMILY > >There were two Stark lines that I am aware of: > >One originated from Gottlieb Stark, who immigrated from Germany. He had a >wagon-building business on W. Pittsburgh St. in Greensburg near where the >BP station now stands. His son John F. Stark, was in business with him >and was the father of two sons: H. Frank Stark and Cyrus N. Stark. Frank >and Cyrus were partners in Stark Brothers Construction, a Greensburg firm. > >Another Stark line originated with John ADAM Stark, another German >immigrant from Wittenberg, where he learned the wagon-building trade. He >settled on W. Otterman St and had a carriage-building business in back of >his home, which sat on the N.W. corner of Otterman & Pennsylvania Sts. in >Greensburg. John ADAM Stark married Charlotte Holser and they had 11 >children, 2 of whom were still alive in 1890, Caleb H. and George. > >I am not related to any of these people. My interest stems from a study >of Greensburg industry and the Starks involvement in the carriage\wagon >building business. Does anyone on the list know whether the 2 immigrants, >John ADAM Stark, and Gottlieb Stark, were related? > > http://james-miller.org/ [Local History Pub's.]