Dear Brenda, I may have a connection, who knows. I don't have much info, just names really. My ZIMMERMAN and SHAFFER familes married into my LILLEY / STILLWAGON lines. My GGG grandparents were 1. John S. STILLWAGON b 1823 and Elizabeth STOUFFER. They had 12 children, note the following two: 2. Abraham Peter STILLWAGON b 1857 m. Elizabeth ZIMMERMAN. (10 children) 3. Calvin ZIMMERMAN b 1888 m Zola Elizabeth Jane L. WILSON (I have a contact with cousin Shirley) 2. Sarah M. STILLWAGON b 1859 - 1889 m. Francis Asbury LILLEY 2nd b 1858 3. Grover Cleveland LILLEY b 1884 - 1961 m Elizabeth A. LEACY 1892 - 1972 (my G grandparents) + Francis remarried to Alvie Catherine (Daisy) SHAFFER b 1872 I don't know if this will help at all. If you would like Shirley's email please let me know. She has much more information on the STILLWAGON / ZIMMERMANs as that is her direct line. Denise S New Jersey ======================================== Subj: [PAWESTMO-L] McKimens,Zimmerman,Shaffer  Date: 3/16/2005 12:59:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: bbjthomas@worldnet.att.net To: PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com Sent from the Internet (Details) Anyone researching the McKimens,Zimmerman,Shaffer families of Westmoreland county?  Early 1800's . Thanks, Brenda