In a message dated 8/22/2008 11:51:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Shirley -- Just read your comments that you just posted. Ocean 5 opened before 1900, not in the 1920s. They were an operating mine, as far as I know, the entire time. Where would that have been on the census. Perhaps just Elizabeth Twp, without a name? Shirley **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

Shirley, I would suggest you contact the people in the Elizabeth Twp Historical Society, I am sure they have looked into this. Yes, I imagine it was just a series of "areas" in Liz Twp, so it would be under the Township heading on the Census pages. Sometimes, as I am sure you know, they did subdivide a township into various areas. The ETHS owns a building in downtown Boston, PA, and I am sure they have a phone listing. Look in Switchboard. I am a member of ETHS, but not active. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] Elizabeth Twp., Allegheny Co. help > > In a message dated 8/22/2008 11:51:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Shirley -- Just read your comments that you just posted. Ocean 5 opened > before 1900, not in the 1920s. They were an operating mine, as far as I > know, the entire time. > > > > > Where would that have been on the census. Perhaps just Elizabeth Twp, > without a name? > Shirley > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Shirley - Margaret Street is what was known as River Road, running parallel to the tracks and crossing several times. Where the road turns uphill (Troup Road) it is because of the valley cut out by Pollock Run right at that point. When you get to the top, you can go to left to Colinsburg or West Newton, or the other way to Elizabeth. Ocean St is just a short side street, among several others. This area still exists, it was not obliterated by the Cosmic Catycism (or however you spell this word). I have driven through there in the past several years, usually while hiking the Yough River Trail. I get the impression that you lived in the area of what I called Smithdale houses in my earlier email, although I will have to compare your recollections with my railroad detailed maps for that area. Or, if this is what you call the upper area, then you lived down the road to near where the tipple was. Perhaps this is where you lived, as it would be somewhat lower elevation and subject to flooding. If you were in the next to last house on the river site, I may have you house on the maps (as a block, no details) if it was built before 1900. I just looked at an 1897 Mining Directory, and it lists Taylor as the town where Ocean No. 5 is located, Smithdale is not listed at all as a town with a mine. I have a feeling the entire area was known as Taylor at one time, as far south as Pollock Run, and to areas above Douglass. They say the Post Office for Taylor is Scott Haven, so Taylor may have extended that far north. Smithdale is an area within Taylor, if all this is true. Taylor no longer exists. Since this was 1897, and I know Smithdale existed on my 1903 railroad map, I would assume it was a name coined about 1900, or it was just an area within Taylor, as was Douglass. I have a 1902/03 listing of side tracks for the Ocean No. 5 mine (known as Scotts Mine for a while, after the name of the owner of Yough Coal Company). The Ocean 5 Tipple side tracks were built at least as early as 1893, according to this reference (I have the original hand-written Journal in my collection). Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] Elizabeth Twp., Allegheny Co. help > > In a message dated 8/22/2008 11:51:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Shirley -- Just read your comments that you just posted. Ocean 5 opened > before 1900, not in the 1920s. They were an operating mine, as far as I > know, the entire time. > > > > > Where would that have been on the census. Perhaps just Elizabeth Twp, > without a name? > Shirley > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message