Thanks for your response, Paul. I am digging around to find the passenger lists for the ships. I have always felt a little disappointed with the passenger lists that I have found as they have been incomplete. The Osgood stated it carried 350 Whole Freights, 500 souls, but the list only showed 135 names. I can understand the first two numbers as women and children were not recorded on the passenger lists. The Osgood list that I have does not show any Rineharts. Christof Niedt arrived aboard the "Osgood" out of Rotterdam and Cowls in 1750. Some where I have a record of Christopher arriving a second time about 1752. Mathias Nied arrived on the ship "Two Brothers" in 1753. Rineharts didn't marry into my family until about the mid 1800s, but I saw their names on the same census lists as my family. Adam G. Rinehart b.6/10/1839 d.12/14/1908 Anna Rinehart b.abt 1872 Barbara C. Rinehart b.11/26/1858 d.12/20/1862 Charles Rinehart b. Charles Rinehart b.abt 1876 Emma Rinehart b.4/1882 d.4/1882 Flora Etta Rinehart b.1867 d.4/21/1935 Frank Rinehart b.abt 1868 Jacob Rinehart b.5/24/1837 d.10/26/1897 John C. Rinehart b.10/15/1860 d.8/26/1865 Joseph A. Rinehart b.4/30/1870 d.8/9/1872 Sarah F Rinehart b.3/19/1863 d.4/11/1863 These are the only Rineharts that are in my family tree at this time. The 1790 Census for Frederick County in Maryland shows a George Rinehart 1, 2, 5 and Tilty Rinehart 1, 0, 1 on page 196. Another Census for 1790 Frederick County in Maryland shows a David Rinehart 3, 2, 3 on page 58. The 1790 Census for Washington County in Maryland shows a Titus Rinehart 1, 0, 1 a Thomas Rinehart 1, 2, 3 on page 116 a Frederick Rinehart 1, 1, 2 on page 121 a Rinehart 1, 0, 1 on page 122. I have data from a 1776 Maryland Census which has: Rinehard, Ann Date: 1776 Frederick County Elizabeth Hundred Rinehard, Barbara Date: 1776 Frederick County Elizabeth Hundred Rinehard, Catharina Date: 1776 Frederick County Elizabeth Hundred Rinehard, Eve Date: 1776 Frederick County Elizabeth Hundred Rinehard, George Date: 1776 Frederick County Elizabeth Hundred Rinehard, George Date: 1776 Frederick County Elizabeth Hundred Rinehard, Magdalena Date: 1776 Frederick County Elizabeth Hundred Rinehard, Thames Date: 1776 Frederick County Elizabeth Hundred During my surveys of some cemeteries I made photos of head stones for: Barbara C Rinehart b. d.12/20/1862 daughter of J & L Rinehart Emma Rinehart b. d.1882 daughter of Jacob & Erana Rinehart Irene Rinehart b.1836 d.1897 Jacob Rinehart b.1837 d.1897 John C Rinehart b. d.1865 Son of J & L Rinehart Joseph A Rinehart b. d.1872 son of Jacob & Erana Rinehart Sarah F Rinehart b. d.1863 daughter of J & L Rinehart That's pretty much all I have handy on Rineharts. Norman and Linda Nead > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] Brick Wall - Niedt/Need/Nead Family > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:49:10 -0400 > From: Paul Damon <paulsr@paul-n-paul.com> > Reply-To: pawestmo@rootsweb.com > To: <pawestmo@rootsweb.com> > > > > Linda -- As is often the case, your request brought up more questions on my > part than answers. I am interested in your Rinehart relationship in the > German migration. Migration in my case came about 30 years earlier (for the > Rineharts), that is, moved from Frederick to Hagerstown, then on to northern > WV (VA at the time). > > However, about 1800, a large contingent of people from the Frederick area > moved directly to eastern OH. They were joined by my Rineharts who at the > time were in Randolph County, VA (WV). In that case, there did not seem to > be any specific reason for the move west other than a desire to find more > open land. Perhaps Frederick area was becoming too crowded. This group all > ended up in Jefferson County, OH. Records for this area at that time are > somewhat scarce, but we have been able to trace them through various county > records. > > Re you PA problem, I am sure someone else can help you more, but I had to > visit the courthouses and historical groups in Jefferson and Carroll > Counties to come up with the information as to where they were. Could not > find anything without visiting, but it worked. > > My single question, just who were these Rineharts? We have a connection > problem in the 1740 to 1770 period. Did they come in 1752 with your > ancestors, or earlier? Do you have any given names for this family? > > Paul > > > -----Original Message----- > From:pawestmo-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pawestmo-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Linda Nead > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:06 PM > To:pawestmo@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PAWESTMO] Brick Wall - Niedt/Need/Nead Family > > We need help with a brick wall on my husband's side of the family. Two > brothers, Christopher and Mathias Niedt from Germany, entered the > colonies via Philadelphia in 1752 and moved to the Frederick / > Washington County area of Maryland. They came on different ships about a > month apart. Christopher Need, age about 70, shows up in the 1790 > Federal Census in the Hagerstown, Maryland area. Mathias is also known > to have moved to the same area and operated a leather tannery. > Christopher had three sons, Johan Christof b.1734 Germany, George b.1740 > Germany and Jacob. I'm not sure if they were Lutheran or German Baptist. > > They seemed to migrate with a number of other families; Nommaker, Tomer, > Wagoner, Brown, Roher, Rinehart, Ott, Ramsey, Waite. This migration > pattern was likely due to their German heritage, they may have even came > from the same part of Germany since many arrived on the two ships > together. The group splintered into several smaller groups, with the > smaller groups going off to Ohio, Tennessee and later traveling deeper > into the west. But the main group seemed to stay in Maryland, until > suddenly the whole group decided to migrate from the Hagerstown Maryland > area to Bedford and finally Huntingdon County Pennsylvania around 1800. > Was there anything that happened about that time which would have caused > this wholesale migration? Since the counties of Huntingdon and Bedford > split about this time we have had trouble finding out where the group > settled prior to coming to rest around Three Springs, PA. We have > looked in census records in Maryland and both Bedford and Huntingdon > Counties in Pennsylvania to no avail. Do you have any suggestions on > what records would be available that could help us discover where might > have been between 1800 and 1840? We're thinking that they were > somewhere in western PA. > > Thanks for any suggestions, > > Linda Nead > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAWESTMO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toPAWESTMO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >