Diane, You are welcome. Sorry, I left out an o it should have been spelled Prothonotary. But anyway a Prothonotary is the chief court clerk in certain courts of law. I think that there aren't to many places outside of Pa that uses that term. Laney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Richard" <dianelr@nc.rr.com> To: <PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 2:33 PM Subject: RE: [PAWESTMO-L] Scottdale -- 1890s Naturalization > Thanks Laney ... I have to ask "what is a Prothontary Office?" I have > never > heard that term before! > > Diane :-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: laney [mailto:ekw321@alltel.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 2:09 PM > To: Diane Richard; PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO-L] Scottdale -- 1890s Naturalization > > Declarations of Intention and Petition for Naturalization are available > from > > the Prothontary office at the Courthouse. > > You may want to try both Westmoreland and Fayette Counties Courthouses. > > Westmoreland County Courthouse > Main St. > Greensburg, Pa 15601 > 724-830-3000 > > Fayette County Courthouse > 61 East Main St. > Uniontown, Pa 15401 > 724-430-1200 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diane Richard" <dianelr@nc.rr.com> > To: <PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 1:49 PM > Subject: [PAWESTMO-L] Scottdale -- 1890s Naturalization > > >> Hello, >> >> >> >> I have done some more research and realize that in the older censuses for >> the SKEMP family (versus the newer ones), they state that they were >> naturalized c. 1894 (and not c. 1912 . big jump there!) . If I am >> remembering correctly, you had to be in the country 5 years to become a >> citizen . since they emigrated in 1887 and 1888 this would work! >> >> >> >> So, if someone lived in Scottdale, where would they possibly have gotten >> Naturalized? Since we are now pre-1906, my recollection is that I cannot >> use a FOI request as the records are only at whatever courthouse issued >> the >> papers! >> >> >> >> TIA for any help! Happy Labor Day weekend! >> >> >> >> Diane :-) >> >> >> >> Raleigh, NC 27604 >> >> dianelr@nc.rr.com >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== PAWESTMO Mailing List ==== >> >> >> > > > > > > > ==== PAWESTMO Mailing List ==== > > >

Thanks Laney ... I have to ask "what is a Prothontary Office?" I have never heard that term before! Diane :-) -----Original Message----- From: laney [mailto:ekw321@alltel.net] Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 2:09 PM To: Diane Richard; PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO-L] Scottdale -- 1890s Naturalization Declarations of Intention and Petition for Naturalization are available from the Prothontary office at the Courthouse. You may want to try both Westmoreland and Fayette Counties Courthouses. Westmoreland County Courthouse Main St. Greensburg, Pa 15601 724-830-3000 Fayette County Courthouse 61 East Main St. Uniontown, Pa 15401 724-430-1200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Richard" <dianelr@nc.rr.com> To: <PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 1:49 PM Subject: [PAWESTMO-L] Scottdale -- 1890s Naturalization > Hello, > > > > I have done some more research and realize that in the older censuses for > the SKEMP family (versus the newer ones), they state that they were > naturalized c. 1894 (and not c. 1912 . big jump there!) . If I am > remembering correctly, you had to be in the country 5 years to become a > citizen . since they emigrated in 1887 and 1888 this would work! > > > > So, if someone lived in Scottdale, where would they possibly have gotten > Naturalized? Since we are now pre-1906, my recollection is that I cannot > use a FOI request as the records are only at whatever courthouse issued > the > papers! > > > > TIA for any help! Happy Labor Day weekend! > > > > Diane :-) > > > > Raleigh, NC 27604 > > dianelr@nc.rr.com > > > > > > ==== PAWESTMO Mailing List ==== > > >

Declarations of Intention and Petition for Naturalization are available from the Prothontary office at the Courthouse. You may want to try both Westmoreland and Fayette Counties Courthouses. Westmoreland County Courthouse Main St. Greensburg, Pa 15601 724-830-3000 Fayette County Courthouse 61 East Main St. Uniontown, Pa 15401 724-430-1200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Richard" <dianelr@nc.rr.com> To: <PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 1:49 PM Subject: [PAWESTMO-L] Scottdale -- 1890s Naturalization > Hello, > > > > I have done some more research and realize that in the older censuses for > the SKEMP family (versus the newer ones), they state that they were > naturalized c. 1894 (and not c. 1912 . big jump there!) . If I am > remembering correctly, you had to be in the country 5 years to become a > citizen . since they emigrated in 1887 and 1888 this would work! > > > > So, if someone lived in Scottdale, where would they possibly have gotten > Naturalized? Since we are now pre-1906, my recollection is that I cannot > use a FOI request as the records are only at whatever courthouse issued > the > papers! > > > > TIA for any help! Happy Labor Day weekend! > > > > Diane :-) > > > > Raleigh, NC 27604 > > dianelr@nc.rr.com > > > > > > ==== PAWESTMO Mailing List ==== > > >

Hello, I have done some more research and realize that in the older censuses for the SKEMP family (versus the newer ones), they state that they were naturalized c. 1894 (and not c. 1912 . big jump there!) . If I am remembering correctly, you had to be in the country 5 years to become a citizen . since they emigrated in 1887 and 1888 this would work! So, if someone lived in Scottdale, where would they possibly have gotten Naturalized? Since we are now pre-1906, my recollection is that I cannot use a FOI request as the records are only at whatever courthouse issued the papers! TIA for any help! Happy Labor Day weekend! Diane :-) Raleigh, NC 27604 dianelr@nc.rr.com

Hello, I have learned that my BIL's great-great-grandfather and other family members are buried in Scottdale Cemetery! I am hoping that SKS might go by the cemetery and just see what the tombstone says on it! I am especially curious as Robert Skemp Jr is not listed in the information I received (he died between 1920 & 1930) . (and I would imagine he is buried with his wife Kate and father Robert). Also, an obituary stated that Oliver Hess (and possibly his wife Katherine Rakestraw Hess) are buried in Scottdale Cemetery and yet they were not in the list kept at the Scottdale Bank & Trust Company! Maybe they are nearby? Scottdale Cemetery . Robert Skemp Sr Section R Lot 17 died 1905 Sara Ann Sumner Section R Lot 17 died 1911 Kate Skemp Section R Lot 17 died 1932 Hannah Sumner Section R Lot 17 died 1942 Leo Skemp Section R Lot 17 died 1948 Thanks much for any help with this! Diane :-) Diane Richard Raleigh, NC USA dianelr@nc.rr.com

Good Morning I am in search of a marriage record for JOHN PETER KNOPP to a CAROLINE EISELE John may have used Peter as his first name both lived in the West Newton Area both born in Germany Caroline born 1834 and Peter ( John) 1830 they married sometime between 1850 and 1854 I appreciate anything anyone may have on this Thoughts and Prayers to everyone in Katrinas wake Susan Ohio

Thanks for all the info everyone! I had completely forgotten about FOI requests ... I had used that myself, years ago, on a different branch! And, if that is an issue I will try the Registrar of Wills in Greensburg! Thanks again everyone! Diane :-) -----Original Message----- From: Msjillec@aol.com [mailto:Msjillec@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:11 PM To: PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO-L] Where find Naturalization records, c. 1912, living in Scottd... Diane, You might also try calling the Westmoreland County Courthouse in Greensburg Pa. That is where I found my ggrandfather's records. I'm sorry that I don't have the number, but information should have it. Just ask for the Office of the Registrar of Wills, and they should be able to help, you might also have to try Alleghany County, since a lot of times people thought they would have to go to the bigger cities to apply for citizenship, Jill

Diane, You might also try calling the Westmoreland County Courthouse in Greensburg Pa. That is where I found my ggrandfather's records. I'm sorry that I don't have the number, but information should have it. Just ask for the Office of the Registrar of Wills, and they should be able to help, you might also have to try Alleghany County, since a lot of times people thought they would have to go to the bigger cities to apply for citizenship, Jill

Tjis letter might also help phone or email them at if you email them use the below form to answer questions they will ask Donna 215) 597-3000, email: philadelphia.archives@nara.gov, web site: www.nara.gov NATURALIZATION INFORMATION TYPE OR PRINT CLEARLY A SEARCH WILL NOT BE MADE WITHOUT THE COMPLETION OF THE ITEMS BELOW THAT ARE MARKED WITH A STAR (*). *Petitioner's Name (and spelling variations): *Exact year of Naturalization: AND/OR * Year of arrival into the U.S. (Please provide exact date if known): -Without a year of naturalization a search will be made of the first ten years the alien was eligible to be naturalized- *Naturalization Court or Place of Residence (county) when naturalized: Naturalization Petition Number: Date of Birth: Country of Birth: Port of Entry into the U.S.: Spouse's Name: Date of Marriage: Spouse's Country of Birth: s spouse a naturalized U.S. citizen? Children: Name(s) and Dates of Birth: Do any of the following Censuses indicate that the petitioner is a U.S. citizen (yes or no): 1870: 1900: 1910: 1920 (what year?): Remember: Naturalization is not now (and never was) a requirement. An alien can live in the United States without becoming a naturalized citizen. Therefore, your ancestor may have never gone through this process. *REQUESTING PARTY'S MAILING ADDRESS Name: Address: Do not send any money until you receive a bill. You will be notified of the results of the search you are requesting.

This may help too. http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/genie1.htm Dawne

Hi Diane, Here is a link to the US Citizenship and Immigration. I think the naturalization records are kept in the county in which they were applied for. But some are duplicated at this site and they have citizenship records. http://uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/history/natzrec/natrec.htm Dawne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Richard" <dianelr@nc.rr.com> To: <PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 2:09 PM Subject: [PAWESTMO-L] Where find Naturalization records, c. 1912, living in Scottdale > Hello, > > > > I am continuing to track down the Robert SKEMP family who emigrated from > the > UK in the 1880s. The 1920 and 1930 Census entries consistently state that > the family was naturalized in 1912. Who would hold naturalization records > for this period? > > > > Thanks much, > > > > Diane :-) > > Raleigh, NC USA, dianelr@nc.rr.com > > > > > > > > ==== PAWESTMO Mailing List ==== > > >

Sorry, I meant to write "There is no fee for FOIA information." That's not exactly true. Most requests do not end up having fees, though you may get charged. There is no standard or set fee; you're covering extraneous costs, which are minimal, and therefore rarely charged. You can find this info at: http://uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/foia/request.htm And specific office addresses can be found on this page: http://uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/foia/ADDRESS.HTM Should've re-read my email before sending it off! Brian On Sep 1, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Brian Columbus wrote: > You can make a FOIA request, and write to *your* nearest INS office > (or whatever they're called these days.) Don't write to the office > closest to where the event occurred - write to the office closest to > you there in Raleigh. I've successfully done this for my grandfather > who immigrated and naturalized around the same times as you're > seeking. I didn't have an exact date, but had a year based on the 1920 > census (and I'm told them as such.) You need to identify your request > as a Freedom of Information Act Request. > > Provide as much info as you can: Name, DOB, place born, immigration > date and/or year, immigration location, the person's address at the > time of the naturalization (or at least the city, County, State.) They > will respond first acknowledging the receipt of your request and > letting you know which track it's on; easy records go on the fast > track, harder records to locate go on the slow track. There is now fee > for FOIA information. > > Find your closest INS office here: > http://uscis.gov/graphics/fieldoffices/ > > INS is now USCIS, United States Citizenship and Immigration Services. > Check out that site for other details too. > > Hope this helps! > Brian > > On Sep 1, 2005, at 1:09 PM, Diane Richard wrote:

You can make a FOIA request, and write to *your* nearest INS office (or whatever they're called these days.) Don't write to the office closest to where the event occurred - write to the office closest to you there in Raleigh. I've successfully done this for my grandfather who immigrated and naturalized around the same times as you're seeking. I didn't have an exact date, but had a year based on the 1920 census (and I'm told them as such.) You need to identify your request as a Freedom of Information Act Request. Provide as much info as you can: Name, DOB, place born, immigration date and/or year, immigration location, the person's address at the time of the naturalization (or at least the city, County, State.) They will respond first acknowledging the receipt of your request and letting you know which track it's on; easy records go on the fast track, harder records to locate go on the slow track. There is now fee for FOIA information. Find your closest INS office here: http://uscis.gov/graphics/fieldoffices/ INS is now USCIS, United States Citizenship and Immigration Services. Check out that site for other details too. Hope this helps! Brian On Sep 1, 2005, at 1:09 PM, Diane Richard wrote: > Hello, > > I am continuing to track down the Robert SKEMP family who emigrated > from the > UK in the 1880s. The 1920 and 1930 Census entries consistently state > that > the family was naturalized in 1912. Who would hold naturalization > records > for this period? > > Thanks much, > > Diane :-) >

Hello, I am continuing to track down the Robert SKEMP family who emigrated from the UK in the 1880s. The 1920 and 1930 Census entries consistently state that the family was naturalized in 1912. Who would hold naturalization records for this period? Thanks much, Diane :-) Raleigh, NC USA, dianelr@nc.rr.com

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 20:34:49 -0700 Tom Chapman <SurfCityTom@socal.rr.com> writes: > I found this website today that has a great series of videos > about local history and topography. > > http://www.alle-kiskitoday.com/articles/archives/8 I get a System Error (page, not in my PC) :^( I also didn't see any obvious obituary links at the main site http://www.alle-kiskitoday.com/ :^( Ron Bauerle

I have written to both Poke Run and Congruity Churches for information on my COCHRAN line. They have been helpful. You could visit but I would call ahead to see when their secretaries are there. You did not mention New Salem (Delmont). People transferred there in 1849 from both Poke Run and Congruity. McQuaids and McIlvans are buried in the New Salem Presbyterian Cemetery. I have some McIlvain data since they married into my COCHRAN family. There are still descendants attending the Delmont Presbyterian Church. Congruity Presbyterian Church RD #2 Box 506 New Alexandria, PA 15670 there is an LDS microfilm (0496646) of records transcribed by Della Reagan Fischer Poke Run Presbyterian Church 1091 Poke Run Church Rd. Apollo, PA 15613-9689 Delmont Presbyterian Church 101 Church St Delmont, PA 15626 Here are some deaths I transcribed from the First Session Minutes Book: http://www.pa-roots.com/~westmoreland/townships/salem/newsalempres.html JoAnn Cupp Grass Valley, CA joanncupp@foothill.net

I'm wondering if any of the locals know if Congruity and Poke Run churches will permit anyone to search their records, and if so, what is the procedure. Do they need advance notice, etc.? Thanks R. L. McIlvain Idaho Springs, CO McIlvain, McCullough, Morgan, Larimer McQuaid

Hello Lists! First of all, please excuse the duplication for those of you that subscribe to more than one of these lists. I found this website today that has a great series of videos about local history and topography. http://www.alle-kiskitoday.com/articles/archives/8 Enjoy. Tom

Is anyone on this list working on the Gross family of Westmoreland County? Christian Gross is the oldest member of this family and he was married to Catrina (Catharina). The records for children and grandchildren are mostly found in the Reformed Church records of Weber, that Rev. Paul Miller Ruff and Della Reagan Fisher published. I believe that Christian and his family moved to Westmoreland County about 1783 and most of the family remained there. Christian is died about 1790 per his estate papers. He had a son John who I have not been able to find any information on and am wondering if anyone else has his details. I descend from Christian's son Jesse who married Catharine Beck and have a great deal of information that I can share for this line, the line of Peter Gross and also the son Joseph. I have information on the daughter's of Christian to a point, but that gets sketchy fairly fast. I have many deeds and will for this Gross family that links them together and am happy to share any information that I have. I have discovered that they came from Northampton Co, PA, but the records are sketchy for this particular family. There is another Christian Gross who lived in Northampton County, but he is not mine. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Margaret

Good Morning Everyone----- I could use a little help please I am looking for information on a JOHN EISLEY and is wife LOUISA both born in Wurttemberg Germany--------- John birth to be about 1808 and Louisia 1805 I found them in 1880 living in West Newton John listed as a Tailor But I can't find them anywhere else I belived them to be the parents of my grgr grandmother Caroline Knopp -----she was married to Peter Knopp living in West Newton as well I greatly appreciate anything you may have on this couple Thank you-----------Susan Ohio