I am curious as to the origin of two names that I have in my ancestry. Back in 1800 I have a first name of Abijah for a male and Scharlotte for a female. Does anyone know which nationality would have used these names and these spellings? Mickey 74bug@nauticom.net

Thank all of you for your prompt response to my inquirey. Yes, my ancestor, Henry Wise was married to Barbara Rohrer, daughter of Frederick Rohrer and Catherine Diemer. To my knowledge, Henry Wise and Barbara Rohrer had the following children: John H. Wise was also a Silversmith and Clockmaker in Greensburg. John H. Wise was active in the militia circles. He served in the PA legislature, resigned and then went to Brookville, Jefferson County, PA where he went in to business with one of the members of the Greensburg Jack family. They started a brick kiln and had large stands of forestry and saw mills in Jefferson County. Both Mr. Jack and John H. Wise returned to Greensburg before their deaths. I have not found any evidence of John H. Wise's having married, but he did deed a house to a Mary Wise who's ?guardian? was a Mrs. Biggert. I believe this Mary Wise then married a Mr. Hare, or possibly Mrs. Biggert married a Mr. Hare. This Mary Wise may have been the child of a Frederick Wise who died and John H. Wise may have been the guardian. I am assuming it was his relation of some sort. I have also wondered if John H. Wise was her father and the Mrs. Biggert her grandmother????? Pure speculation as a possibl! e relationship. I believe Mrs. Biggert may have married at the same time Mary Wise married. Sorry to be so sketchy, so many notes ago! Frederick A. Wise was a newspaper man in Greensburg circa 1820. He had married in Baltimore. He then migrated to Palmyra, Missouri circa 1830 where he started another newspaper that did not succeed. He then spent the remainder of his life farming in St. Louis County, Missouri. His estate demonstrated an impressive estate of classical literature. My direct ancestor, Jacob Michael Wise was an attorney in Greensburg. He then held the seat in the PA legislature that his brother, John H. Wise had vacated. Jacob Michael Wise was married to Margaret Covode Williams, the daughter of ?Elizabeth Covode? and Nathaniel/Nathan Williams. Margaret Covode's grandfather was Garret Covode, her cousin was John Covode, a member of the US House of Representatives during the Civil War. My gr-gr-grandmother was Jane Williams Wise, daughter of Jacob Wise and Margaret Williams, she married Thomas Leonard/Larned Williams, a cooper from Rhode Island. Her sister was Cecelia Wise Donohoe, wife of Thomas Donohoe and mother of Westmoreland County's first native born Catholic priest. Jane Wise Williams' brother was William Williams Wise who was also a newspaper publisher and an attorney in Brookville, Jefferson County, PA. He died of wounds sustained in a battle in the Civil War, (or as my daughter who was raised in Virginia states, "the War! of Northern Aggression.") She had a sister who was Margaret Wilson, a brother Wilson Knott Wise who was also a printer, another sister, Amelia Wise Uncapher, another brother, Elisha Robinson Wise who was also an attorney. I have been told that Mary Wise, sister of Jacob Michael Wise married a man named Saylor. I have not to date checked this. The family oral history has our Wise ancestors as having been from Virginia. Cecelia Wise Donohoe's biography in Boucher's History of Westmoreland County has her quoted as saying Henry Wise was related to the Governor Henry Alexander Wise, the governor who signed the death warrant for John Brown of Harper's Ferry fame. My oral history did not contain that element. I have been intrigued as to why Governor Henry Alexander Wise, from the Eastern Shore of Virginia attended and graduated from Washington College (now Washington & Jefferson College), in Washington, PA. I believe he graduated circa 1820. I apologize for sketchy information. I have been assembling the pieces for many years and those pieces are in spiral notebooks. If any of you have any putty to fill the chinks in this tale, I would enjoy hearing from you. Shirley

It was through a DNA project that we found out: The Linhart and Lenhart surnames in 1790 in Westmoreland Co., PA, come from two different progenerators. The Linharts came over from Germany in 1749. The Lenharts came over from Germany in 1748. According to the DNA results, their is no comparison between the two surname results. Hopefully, another Linhart descendant will volunteer to have a DNA test so we can confirm the Linhart result. DNA has helped separate the two families. (I honestly thought they shared an ancestor, but not so far). Are there any Linharts on this list willing to do this? PLease contact me to get the address of the lab that did our tests. Nan ********************** ~ Descendancy ~ ***************** * ~1~ Hanns Velten Leonhardt -6- Isaac P. Lenhart * ~2~ Johan Christopfell Leonhardt -7- James Hastings Lenhart * ~3~ Johan Petter Lenhart -8- James Murray Lenhart * -4- Joh. Christoph Leonhardt -9- James Harry Lenhart * -5- Johan Christoffel Lenhart -10- Me - Nancy Lenhart Thomas ***********************************************************************

Margaret Wise was born 8/21/1754 in Northampton Twp Pa, she died 12/10/1845 in Unity Twp, she was the d/o Felix Weiss and Anna Maria Van Buskirk. She had the following siblings: Anna, Daniel,Felix and Johan Jacob. Hope this helps Laney ----- Original Message ----- From: "S. H. Silverman" <tullycross2@comcast.net> To: <PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:42 PM Subject: [PAWESTMO-L] Brinker/Wise/Rugh/Welty/Gilchrist/Osborne/White > The 1955 Year Book of the Pennsylvania Society Sons of the American > Revolution > compiled by Floyd G. Hoenstine > Historian, Pennsylvania Society > Published by The Pennsylvania Society Sons of the American Revolution, > 1956 > Page 717 > > "Henry Brinker (Pvt., Northampton Co. PA. Millitia).....born > 04-1757....died 04-06 1845 > Margaret Wise.........born 1754..........died 1845 > > Margaret Brinker....born 1792............died 1870 > Jacob Rugh............born 1791.............died1852 > > Jacob Welty Rugh.. born ....****.........died 1872 > Rebecca Gilchrist.....born...._____.......died 1872 > > Horace A. Rugh.......born....1854.........died__________Married..1887 > Martha Emma Osborne....born..1864....died________ > > Welty Osborne Rugh (PSAR membership #1810).....born 09-29-1890 > Leah Claire White.....born....._________died___________" > > ****date give also as 1791, presume printing error > ////////////////////// > Does any one know to what Wise family this Margaret Wise was related ? > > My ancestor, Henry Wise...born 1763, was listed as a Silversmith in the > 1790 Greensburg, Westmoreland Co., PA census. I know that Welty and Rugh > were families who were in Greensburg at the same time as my Henry Wise. I > am wondering if Margaret Wise was an older sister of my Henry Wise, > Silversmith? > > > > > ==== PAWESTMO Mailing List ==== > > >

Was your Henry Wise married to Barbara Rohrer? -------------- Original message -------------- From: "S. H. Silverman" <tullycross2@comcast.net> > The 1955 Year Book of the Pennsylvania Society Sons of the American Revolution > compiled by Floyd G. Hoenstine > Historian, Pennsylvania Society > Published by The Pennsylvania Society Sons of the American Revolution, 1956 > Page 717 > > "Henry Brinker (Pvt., Northampton Co. PA. Millitia).....born 04-1757....died > 04-06 1845 > Margaret Wise.........born 1754..........died 1845 > > Margaret Brinker....born 1792............died 1870 > Jacob Rugh............born 1791.............died1852 > > Jacob Welty Rugh.. born ....****.........died 1872 > Rebecca Gilchrist.....born...._____.......died 1872 > > Horace A. Rugh.......born....1854.........died__________Married..1887 > Martha Emma Osborne....born..1864....died________ > > Welty Osborne Rugh (PSAR membership #1810).....born 09-29-1890 > Leah Claire White.....born....._________died___________" > > ****date give also as 1791, presume printing error > ////////////////////// > Does any one know to what Wise family this Margaret Wise was related ? > > My ancestor, Henry Wise...born 1763, was listed as a Silversmith in the 1790 > Greensburg, Westmoreland Co., PA census. I know that Welty and Rugh were > families who were in Greensburg at the same time as my Henry Wise. I am > wondering if Margaret Wise was an older sister of my Henry Wise, Silversmith? > > > > > ==== PAWESTMO Mailing List ==== > >

The 1955 Year Book of the Pennsylvania Society Sons of the American Revolution compiled by Floyd G. Hoenstine Historian, Pennsylvania Society Published by The Pennsylvania Society Sons of the American Revolution, 1956 Page 717 "Henry Brinker (Pvt., Northampton Co. PA. Millitia).....born 04-1757....died 04-06 1845 Margaret Wise.........born 1754..........died 1845 Margaret Brinker....born 1792............died 1870 Jacob Rugh............born 1791.............died1852 Jacob Welty Rugh.. born ....****.........died 1872 Rebecca Gilchrist.....born...._____.......died 1872 Horace A. Rugh.......born....1854.........died__________Married..1887 Martha Emma Osborne....born..1864....died________ Welty Osborne Rugh (PSAR membership #1810).....born 09-29-1890 Leah Claire White.....born....._________died___________" ****date give also as 1791, presume printing error ////////////////////// Does any one know to what Wise family this Margaret Wise was related ? My ancestor, Henry Wise...born 1763, was listed as a Silversmith in the 1790 Greensburg, Westmoreland Co., PA census. I know that Welty and Rugh were families who were in Greensburg at the same time as my Henry Wise. I am wondering if Margaret Wise was an older sister of my Henry Wise, Silversmith?

I saw a National Geographic TV program last June and had my mtdna done with them. It was quite interesting and I uploaded my results to FTDNA. I have been in their data base and never had anyone match me. But I know my grandmother was East European. Since she was adopted, maybe a cousin will match someday and I can learn more. This is only female to female line back and it would be a daughter of a sister but I don't even know if she had a sister. But still a sister of her mother would do and her girl children would have the same mtdna. It is a waiting game and you have to be lucky. Since I have a rare halogroup when a match shows up then it might be a good one for me. But then had my brother take the Y-DNA Tests from FTDNA. I was able to see with my brother's results and a 4th cousin's results that they matched 37/37. We then had what could be said our family Y-DNA. A test then was made to someone who was 6 generations back to George Purtlebaugh. Our John was also 6 generations. We proved they were from the same root family. Our paper trail did not connect with our name Bartlebaugh only one mention 50 years ago-- a story that a preacher had a town named after him . They used the spelling Purtlebaugh before but then after 1800 changed the spelling to Bartlebaugh. Bartlebaugh Tennessee was named after a traveling Preacher name George Bartlebaugh who changed his name from Purtlebaugh. So we now have a hint at what maybe our 7th or 8th generation main man. We were stuck for 50 years at our 6th generation back Hopefully as the data base gets bigger, we can find more from our root family. Elaine -------Original Message------- From: Wayne Date: 03/01/06 17:58:19 To: PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAWESTMO-L] Current National Geographic magazine Hi List, This months issue has an article entitled, "The Greatest Journey Ever Told, The Trail of our DNA". It is about the movement of the population of this Earth out of Africa. Well worth reading. I wonder when it will be the basis of Genealogy? Wayne ==== PAWESTMO Mailing List ====

. SOURCE: National Geographic magazine . 'THE GREATEST JOURNEY' _Human Journey @ National Geographic Magazine_ (http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0603/feature2/index.html) _http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0603/feature2/index.html_ (http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0603/feature2/index.html) . ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- . ALSO SEE: _Human Journey Learn More @ National Geographic Magazine_ (http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0603/feature2/learn.html) _http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0603/feature2/learn.html_ (http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0603/feature2/learn.html) [excerpt]: . LEARN MORE: . Did You Know? . ..."Scientists who trace modern human origins often talk about a special kind of DNA, mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA). But do you know what mitochondrial DNA is? And do you know what mitochondria do? Mitochondria are tiny structures found within the cell that resemble grains of rice. They produce the energy that cells need to function, and they have their own small complement of DNA, containing just 37 genes in humans. Compare this to the human nuclear genome (the entire set of genetic instructions found within the nuclei of all the cells), which contains some 30,000 genes. But mitochondrial DNA is especially powerful for studying the ancestry of modern humans. While the nuclear genome is reshuffled with each new generation as the father's and mother's DNA recombine, mitochondrial DNA is passed directly from a mother to her children. As a result it preserves patterns of ancient markers that thelp scientists map the path modern humans have taken around the world. ..." —Alice J. Dunn . =============================================================== . RELATED LINKS: . The Genographic Project _www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/_ (http://www.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/) A landmark study of the human journey. . A (personal) mtDNA View of the Peopling of the World by 'Homo Sapiens' _www.mcdonald.cam.ac.uk/genetics/mtDNAworld/one.html_ (http://www.mcdonald.cam.ac.uk/genetics/mtDNAworld/one.html) Follow this slide show along as Peter Forster traces the genetic evidence for how modern humans populated the Earth. . Journey of Mankind _www.bradshawfoundation.com/stephenoppenheimer_ (http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/stephenoppenheimer) Anthropologist Stephen Oppenheimer and the Bradshaw Foundation take you on a fascinating virtual tour of modern human's journey to populate the Earth. Explore maps with pop-up text and much more. . Kennewick Man Virtual Exhibit _www.washington.edu/burkemuseum/kman/virtualexhibit_intro.htm_ (http://www.washington.edu/burkemuseum/kman/virtualexhibit_intro.htm) Read more about Kennewick Man, his discovery, the controversy over who he was, how old he is, and to whom his bones actually belong. . ---------------- [end] .

Hi List, This months issue has an article entitled, "The Greatest Journey Ever Told, The Trail of our DNA". It is about the movement of the population of this Earth out of Africa. Well worth reading. I wonder when it will be the basis of Genealogy? Wayne

I'm sending this to all because it seems to be of interest. Marriage apps were not filed in Westmoreland County until into the 1880's. Before that, we use church records when available, and items in the newspapers. There are several people who have recorded marriages from newspapers. Baltzer Meyer Historical Society has several of these. See our website. Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: <DLogras@aol.com> To: <PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 6:08 PM Subject: [PAWESTMO-L] Marriage Records > When did Westmoreland start keeping marriage applications? > > Thank you. > > > > Donna BINKLEY Lograsso - St. Louis, MO > > > SEARCHING: > BINKLEY -Allegheny and Cambria Co., PA > DAVIDSON, FRICK - Westmoreland and Allegheny Co., PA > BINKLEY, MORGAN, STOUDER - Clermont Co., , OH > BECK, MYERS - Westmoreland and Allegheny Co., PA + Germany/Austria > SABOCK, YENETS, PERCICH - Cambria Co., PA + Yugoslavia > TRBOVICH, KOSANOVICH - Allegheny Co., PA + Yugoslavia > > > ==== PAWESTMO Mailing List ==== > > >

John KISER 1794-1874 m. Sophia SAXMAN 1799-1852 John Kiser is found in the 1850-1860 census, listed as born in PA, however, in the 1870 census he is listed as born in Maryland. I am looking for John Kiser's parents and would appreciate hearing from anyone with information about this line. 1 John KISER b: Abt. 25 Feb 1794 d: 21 Jun 1874 . +Sophia SAXMAN b: 19 Jun 1799 d: 12 Jun 1852 . 2 Joseph KISER b: 10 Apr 1822 d: 02 Jan 1852 . 2 Adam B. KISER b: 20 Oct 1823 d: 07 Jan 1900 .... +Marie BOLLINGER b: 1831 d: 1915 . 2 Ann Elizabeth KISER b: 24 Sep 1825 d: 02 Feb 1852 . 2 John KISER b: 13 Dec 1827 d: 17 May 1899 (Moved to Kansas) .... +Sarah Ann POTTS b: 1833 d: Aft. 1899 . 2 William E. KISER b: Oct 1830 d: 12 Feb 1908 . 2 Catherine J. KISER b: 1833 d: 1920 . 2 Sophia C. KISER b: 15 Jan 1835 d: 12 May 1872 . 2 Henry Saxman KISER b: 09 Jun 1838 d: 22 Jul 1916 .... +Sarah Ann KIMMEL b: 27 Jul 1848 d: 25 Dec 1918 . 2 Susannah KISER b: 1842 d: 1918

I am posting this to the list, not just the sender, in hopes someone has information for this KIMMEL line. Thanks, Pat-T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Lorensen" <lllorensen@socket.net> To: <PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:46 AM Subject: [PAWESTMO-L] Black family name Good morning I'm looking for some help on the Black families below. If anyone can help me mail me at lllorensen@socket.net Thank You Barb Lorensen Jonathan Black married to Sarah Bratton................ their son (I only have one child listed) John Black 1790-1878 married to Annie Miller Aug 11,1790--1877............ (again I only have one son listed) Miller Black died 1902 married to Sarah Ann Kimmel.............. (only one son listed) George Washington Black Aug 30, 1869 -- June 21, 1951................. married to Martha Jane Hunter Sep. 2, 1882 ---Oct. 24, 1947.......... son Ralph Martin Black married to Millicent Alna Stewart.......... daughter Norma Jean Black married to Ronald Albert Boring..... ==== PAWESTMO Mailing List ====

Good morning I'm looking for some help on the Black families below. If anyone can help me mail me at lllorensen@socket.net Thank You Barb Lorensen Jonathan Black married to Sarah Bratton................ their son (I only have one child listed) John Black 1790-1878 married to Annie Miller Aug 11,1790--1877............ (again I only have one son listed) Miller Black died 1902 married to Sarah Ann Kimmel.............. (only one son listed) George Washington Black Aug 30, 1869 -- June 21, 1951................. married to Martha Jane Hunter Sep. 2, 1882 ---Oct. 24, 1947.......... son Ralph Martin Black married to Millicent Alna Stewart.......... daughter Norma Jean Black married to Ronald Albert Boring.....

I am looking for an obit for Elizabeth Shunk Seelbaugh. She was born in Germany. She was married August 1858 in Baltimore, MD to Jacob Henry Seelbaugh and died July 18, 1888 in Mt. Pleasant, Westmoreland Co., PA.. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank You Tricia

I wanted to let you know that there are a couple of very interesting documents on ebay regarding Westmoreland Co., PA. To find them go to ebay.com and enter Westmoreland PA in the search field.

Hi, I was reading your e-mail and must have deleted the initial one. My Great Grandparents were married in Westmoreland County, how do I obtain a copy of their marriage record? I should add that they were married all the way back in 1875 and have basically no information about their wedding. They were married in Latrobe at the Holy Family Church. Thanks. Mary Ellen

When did Westmoreland start keeping marriage applications? Thank you. Donna BINKLEY Lograsso - St. Louis, MO SEARCHING: BINKLEY -Allegheny and Cambria Co., PA DAVIDSON, FRICK - Westmoreland and Allegheny Co., PA BINKLEY, MORGAN, STOUDER - Clermont Co., , OH BECK, MYERS - Westmoreland and Allegheny Co., PA + Germany/Austria SABOCK, YENETS, PERCICH - Cambria Co., PA + Yugoslavia TRBOVICH, KOSANOVICH - Allegheny Co., PA + Yugoslavia

Anyboby got any information on Irwin Union Cemetery, looking for any of the Rain family there. Photo's etc. Many thanks. David Andrews. --------------------------------- Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now.

Linda, Going from New Alexandria on Route 22 West toward Delmont, passed the Climax make the first right follow that road and it will bring right to the Church/Cemetery. To my knowledge it is not transcribed, but I think if you call them they may give you info, their phone number is 724-668-7740 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda J.Walker" <ljwalker@worthington-pa.us> To: <PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 10:26 PM Subject: [PAWESTMO-L] Congruity Presbyterian Church > Looking for the location of Congruity Presbyterian Church, Salem Twp.? > > Has this cemetery been transcribed? > > Linda > > > ==== PAWESTMO Mailing List ==== > > >

Here is its location. http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:9pBVtR1y95MJ:www.philadelphiabuildings.org/pab/app/pj_display.cfm/438070+location+congruity+presbyterian+cemetery+westmoreland+pa&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=7 Dawne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda J.Walker" <ljwalker@worthington-pa.us> To: <PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 10:26 PM Subject: [PAWESTMO-L] Congruity Presbyterian Church > Looking for the location of Congruity Presbyterian Church, Salem Twp.? > > Has this cemetery been transcribed? > > Linda > > > ==== PAWESTMO Mailing List ==== > > > >