The families were large, and needed more land to survive. The next generation of many of these families would move on to Ohio and further west. Imagine how overcrowed eastern PA would have been had all these large families stayed, married, and had large families of their own. Even families described as "farmers" didn't necessarily farm for a living. They "farmed" to survive rather than making a living selling grain and they didn't exactly eat as well as we do today. Remember, these people didn't have tractors. They walked around with a bag and threw out seed. They also raised animals, which could graze on poor soil if the farm were large enough, and they hunted for the meat as well as the pelts. The Truxals (etc.) may have had other occupations such as shoemakers, saddle makers, merchants, lawyers, doctors, weavers, gunsmiths, etc. Greensburg was fairly prosperous. There were also coal fields around Greensburg. None of my ancestors who resided in the area did poorly, although within a couple of generations many moved on -- the members of the families who did stay didn't seem to starve to death. Families or parts of them did move on as land opened up for settlement. Another thing to take into consideration with German families is that they tended to isolate themselves a bit as they did not speak the same language as many of the people surrounding them. Debbie The sudden move in 1767 from rich farmland toa poorer area is something that cannot be answered by land suddenly opened for settlement. I can imagine a waunder lust son or two doing this but not the whole family. They must have felt threatened by something

I am very interested in the question of moving from Northampton in the 1760's. The Peter Draschel family came to America in 1733 from Alsace. they were ealier from Switzerland where two old family houses still stand.They settled in area of Northampton Co. which would later become Allentown, Lehigh Co. In 1744 they built a large stone house which still stands today.They lived in the Jordan River Valley, had plentiful game and good crops.They built a large stone barn behind the house and were prosperous farmers. the name had become Troxell during this period. All the family, except two sons, leave all this behind in 1767 and move to Emmitsburg, Maryland and Adams Co.,Pa. The new home in Adams co. (then York) is hilly, stoney and not prosperous. Other German families from Allentown area move there also. Son Daniel Troxal goes back to Allentown every few years.His son Jacob serves in the Rev. War from Northasmpton Co., moves back to Adams Co. and then in 1800 goes with all his family to Westmoreland Co., again in a rocky hilly area south of Greensburg where today Central Cemetery is located. (Called variously Scheibler/Draschel/Truxal/Feitner Cemetery.)Troxel becomes Truxal/Truxel at this point. The sudden move in 1767 from rich farmland toa poorer area is something that cannot be answered by land suddenly opened for settlement. I can imagine a waunder lust son or two doing this but not the whole family. They must have felt threatened by something ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Knox" <pknox@earthlink.net> To: <PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:09 AM Subject: Moving ever Westward... > When (what year) did these families arrive in Westmoreland Co., > PA & why? > > I think you will find that 1769 was when the western lands over the > mountains were opened for settlement by the colonial authorities in > eastern Pennsylvania. Many came soon thereafter from all parts of eastern > Pennsylvania of which old Northampton was a large part. (it hadn't been > split up into smaller counties yet). Many of the Germanic types from > Alsace and the Palatinate that had arrived in America 20-30 years or more > earlier had settled on free land in old Northampton and to a large degree > it was their off spring that ventured westward over the mountains into the > wilderness for the free land being offered there. This good free land had > become much less available in the east. Westmoreland itself became a > Pennsylvania county four years later, in 1773. > > Phil > > Phil Knox <pknox@earthlink.net> > My Web Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~pknox/ > My genealogical database on WorldConnect: > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=pknox > NOTE: E-mail and attachments are automatically scanned by McAfee Antivirus > software. > > ______________________________

Typo, Phil. It's FraNzina / Francina, etc. (Frany in one census if I remember correctly). Petty, but these things can be repeated all over the Internet if we're not cautious. I have personally caused a mother and daughter to be mixed up for eternity because of one little mistake, so I thought it best to correct. I'm not trying to nitpick. Debbie Anna Frazina Rugh to Abraham Bowman.

The entry of Jacob Michael Wise's baptism and his sister is my family. I am descended from Jacob. He had two brothers that I know of. Frederick A. Wise, a newspaper publisher who worked in Baltimore, married in Baltimore, returned to Greensburg and ran one of the newspapers. He left Greensburg circa 1830 and went to Palmyra, Missouri where he started a newspaper. It folded in about two years and he then did farming. A second brother was John H. Wise who was a Silversmith and Clock maker as was his father. I do not know who Mary Wise married, unless she was the Mary married to a Mr. Rugh. My ancestor, Jacob Wise was an attorney, married to Barbara Rohrer. Thank you for presenting the information.

David Bear died 1832 and one of his descendants listed was daughter Mary "widow of Frederick Wise". Listed a son of Frederick and Mary as Isaac. Do you have any other information on the Frederick Wise you mention? thanks Don "S. H. Silverman" <tullycross2@comcast.net> wrote: The entry of Jacob Michael Wise's baptism and his sister is my family. I am descended from Jacob. He had two brothers that I know of. Frederick A. Wise, a newspaper publisher who worked in Baltimore, married in Baltimore, returned to Greensburg and ran one of the newspapers. He left Greensburg circa 1830 and went to Palmyra, Missouri where he started a newspaper. It folded in about two years and he then did farming. A second brother was John H. Wise who was a Silversmith and Clock maker as was his father. I do not know who Mary Wise married, unless she was the Mary married to a Mr. Rugh. My ancestor, Jacob Wise was an attorney, married to Barbara Rohrer. Thank you for presenting the information. ==== PAWESTMO Mailing List ==== Don Sheffler858-602-6518 www.Sheffler.orgDon@Sheffler.org

My gr-grandmother, Mary Agnes BRINKLEY, was born 1874 in Clarion, Clarion Co, PA, to James Augustine and Margaret Jane HARRIGER Brinkley. James was born 1844 in Westmoreland Co, to James Augustine and Elizabeth AARON Brinkley. 1810 Westmoreland Co - Mt. Pleasant census has a William Brinkley, 26-45, with 3 males under 10 and 1 female under 10, 1 16-26 and 1 45+. Pages from a bible that we believe belonged to William Brinkley list children David born 1803, John 1805, James 1807 and Jane 1809. Also listed are Sarah 1811, William 1812, Perry 1814, Thomas 1816 and Mary 1820. William was not found in another census until 1840 in Derry Twp with 1 male 15-20 and 1 male 50-60 and 2 females 20-30. William was not found in the 1850 census even though we believe he died in 1851. Perry Brinkley, 35, and family were in Derry Twp at that time. Is anyone else researching this family? I'm looking for a will for William who died in 1851 and deeds that would show him buying land and the disposition of his estate. My grandfather told me that a baby in his mother's Brinkley family had been the lone survivor of an Indian raid. Since William was having children by 1803, he could have been born around the 1780s, about the same time that Hannastown was destroyed by an Indian attack. I'm trying to learn if William might have been that lone survivor. Bea __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Bill.. I show two daughters of Peter Rugh & wife Margaret Keister married to two sons of Bernard Henry Bowman & wife Catharine Dreisbach. They are: Anna Frazina Rugh to Abraham Bowman. Susanna Rugh to George Bowman. Exact marriage dates not known, but both about 1800 according to the birth dates of the first child in each case. See: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=pknox&id=I47 Phil xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >does anyone have rugh sisters/cousins marrying with 2 bowman brothers approx >1802-1804? >thanks >bill bowman

A person responded to my presentation of Rugh/Wise from the PA SAR book. She said she had English Wises in her data base. I hit a wrong button and lost her letter. Would you please contact me again. Thank you, Shirley

In response to person asking about Crise: PA Society Sons of American Revolution Book Two persons named Crise found, both women. Pg. 328 "Christopher Beam (Pvt., Lancaster Co. PA. Mil.)......born 9-1-1761.....died 6-15-1828.....married 1- -1790 Elizabeth Crise.........born 1763.....died 1830................." Pg. 445 "Jacob Long (Pvt., Westmoreland Co. PA Mil.).........born 7-4-1759.....died 1-19-1842.....married 1794 Elizabeth _______.....born 1762......died 1845 Nancy Long......born 1804.......died 1859......married 6-18-1845 Philip Pore........born 1804.......died 7-10-1871 George Long Pore........born 3-26-1847......died 01-24-1926.....married 1-14-1867 Mary E. Crise....born 3-12-1850..........died 1-23-1931 Dempson Hanson Pore (PASAR# 4335)....born 12-25-1875....died ______ .........married 1887 Ida Nora Gerheart......born 4-4-1876...........died _______"

In 1994 I was blessed to recieve a notebook full of genealogical research from a distant cousin tracing our Allshouse line back to 1725. With her information and bits and pieces from other distant cousins, as well as information I have been able to locate. I still have one question about our first Allshouse, which I will ask at the end of this. Henry Allshouse Sr (4 Oct. 1725 - 12 June 1803) born in Village of Althausen, Würtemburg, Germany, though some sources say Strasberg, Alsace Loraine, then under French control. Old name spellings were Althaus & Altham. He came to the USA out of Rotterdam aboard the ship Judith under command of Captain James Tact and landed in Philadelphia, PA in September 15, 1748. Married Susanna (1728 - ?), they had Henry Jr., Jacob, John, Susannah, & Catherine. Henry Sr was buried at the First reformed Church cemetery Easton Northampton Co., PA. His tombstone is large granite stone, located in a small Cemetery in North Jeannette, on Margaret Street. This large stone was erected by his grandsons. According to a complete history taken from the "Pennsylvania State Library & Museum", Harrisburg, Pa. the name " Allshouse wherever encountered west of the Alleghenies, descended from the pioneer settler, Henry. Henry Allshouse Sr - The progenitor, signed the Oath of Allegiance,. Sept, 15. 1748, at Philadelphia, Pa. (another record, 1760 is in Bucks Co., Pa, and in 1754 in Easton, Pa. Lot # 203.) He was a carpenter & a joiner. In 1752 Henry moved north and became one of the original settlers of what is now Easton, PA. On pg 70 of "Naturalization of Foreign Protestants" published by Baltimore General Publishing Co, 1964 : Henry Allshouse of Easton, Northampton Co. PA naturalized on April 3, 1761. Had signed allegiance oath on shipboard in Philadelphia Harbor 15 Sep 1748, in Berk's Co on 1750 and again in Easton in 1754. In Easton owned lots near Great Square Lots 134-5-6-7. Emigrated from Alsace-Lorainne. His wife's name was Susannah, first child Susannah married Henry Kern. Children in Will: Henry, Jacob, John, Catherine, and Susannah. He was one of five Trustees organized to build the first Court House. He lived at the corner of North Hampton St. and the great Square, Lot No. 203. He bought his first land on March 6 1775. He couldn't pay for this land and almost lost it back to John Penn Sr. and John Jr. He must have made his payment as he sold this land to daughter Catherine on 27 June 1798. He also sold land to a family of Innes on 21 Nov 1797, and some to a John Allshouse (who may have been his son) on 29 Oct 1792. In tax records 1783 to 1788 he and his son Henry Jr. were listed as Joiners. Henry's death notice was found recorded in the "American Eagle", an Easton paper. He was buried in the cemetery at the First Reformed Church of Easton. This cemetery was removed and the bodies placed in a common vault in what is now the Easton Cemetery. The following is a transcription of Henry Sr's Last Will and Testament: In the name of God Amen, I Henry Allshouse of the borough of Easton in the County of Northampton and State of Pennsylvania, being weak in body, but of sound mind memory and understanding (thanks be to God) do make and publish this my Last Will and Testament in manner following, ---- I so have and bequeath unto each of my four children, that is to say, to my son Henry One hundred and fifty pounds, to my son Jacob One hundred and fifty pounds, to my son John One hundred and fifty pounds, and to my daughter Susanna the wife of Henry Kern One hundred and fifty pounds to be paid to them as soon as convenient after my decease out of the Monies due me on the Bonds and Notes whereof I may die possessed -- And all the rest and residue of may said Monies together with my household furniture or personal Estate whatsoever I do give and bequeath unto my daughter Catherine in consideration of her great care and attention to me in my later years. And lastly I do nominate and appoint my sons Jacob Allshouse and John Allshouse to be the Executors of this my Last Will, hereby revoking all other and former wills by me --- --- satisfying and confirming this and no other to be my Last Will and Testament. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal the tenth day of March in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and three. the mark of Henry Allshouse I am descended from Henry Allshouse Sr., hiw wife Susanna thru: Their son Henry Allshouse Jr., (1757 - 1836) married Gertrude Truxell (1758-12 Jun 1819) Their son John Allshouse Sr., (1781 -1856) John first married 1) Anna Maria (d. before 1813) had: Elizabeth, Samuel, John and Maria M. and second married 2) Magdelina. Their son John Allshouse Jr., (1809 - ) Married Margaret or Mary Elizabeth Klingensmith? Their son Finley Allshouse (1837 - 1901) married 1856 Ann Jane Adams (1836 - 1923) Their daughter Leona Lowden Allshouse (1866 - 1932) married 1883 Edward Lewis Whiteman (1860 - 1920) Their son Steward Adams Whiteman (1895 - 1966) Married 1918 Florence Cordelia Stalcup (1901 -1988) Their daughter Florence G. Whiteman (1921 - 2003) Married 1944 Robert G.Roman (1919 - 2001) Now for my question, does anyone know what Henry's wife Susanna's maiden name might have been? Thanks in advance. Laurie Beth Roman

MARY MAGDALENA RUGH (7 MAR 1777 - 1 JAN 1831) MARRIED JOHN ADAM BAUGHMAN (1773 - 23 JUL 1840) AND SUSANNA "SUSAN" RUGH (4 NOV 1783 - UNK DATE) MARRIED DANIEL BAUGHMAN (4 NOV 1783 - BEF. 1850) ----- Original Message ----- From: <RCRDSKPR@aol.com> To: <PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO-L] Brinker/Wise/Rugh/Welty/Gilchrist/Osborne/White > > does anyone have rugh sisters/cousins marrying with 2 bowman brothers > approx > 1802-1804? > thanks > bill bowman > > > >> The 1955 Year Book of the Pennsylvania Society Sons of the American >> Revolution >> compiled by Floyd G. Hoenstine >> Historian, Pennsylvania Society >> Published by The Pennsylvania Society Sons of the American Revolution, >> 1956 >> Page 717 >> >> "Henry Brinker (Pvt., Northampton Co. PA. Millitia).....born >> 04-1757....died 04-06 1845 >> Margaret Wise.........born 1754..........died 1845 >> >> Margaret Brinker....born 1792............died 1870 >> Jacob Rugh............born 1791.............died1852 >> >> Jacob Welty Rugh.. born ....****.........died 1872 >> Rebecca Gilchrist.....born...._____.......died 1872 >> >> Horace A. Rugh.......born....1854.........died__________Married..1887 >> Martha Emma Osborne....born..1864....died________ >> >> Welty Osborne Rugh (PSAR membership #1810).....born 09-29-1890 >> Leah Claire White.....born....._________died___________" >> >> ****date give also as 1791, presume printing error >> ////////////////////// >> Does any one know to what Wise family this Margaret Wise was related ? >> >> My ancestor, Henry Wise...born 1763, was listed as a Silversmith in the >> 1790 Greensburg, Westmoreland Co., PA census. I know that Welty and >> Rugh >> were families who were in Greensburg at the same time as my Henry Wise. >> I >> am wondering if Margaret Wise was an older sister of my Henry Wise, >> Silversmith? >> >> > > > > > > > ==== PAWESTMO Mailing List ==== > > > >

Hi Jamie, I have never found CHRIST written as CRISE but that does not mean it could not be. I did find the following: CHRIST (Christian) CRIST - CRISTE - CRISTNER, see CHRIST Ref: 2nd Edition German-American N*A*M*E*S Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS) In a message dated 3/6/06 1:01:36 PM, SENORASIMCOX@aol.com writes: > Hello, > > To whoever mentioned the surname Christ in the migration from Westmoreland  > to Northampton, would this name also be Crise too? > > I have the name Crise in my tree, and they married into my "German" Hough  > line that was in Westmoreland county. The reason for the "" is there is an  > English Hough line and a German Hough line. > > jamie > >

I have a note to myself which states that William MINTZ married Elizabeth HENDRICKS in either PA or NJ. I *think* I printed the page/pages which were transcribed and placed on the 'net but can not find them among my piles. If this is the wrong list for this question perhaps someone can suggest a better place to enter a query; this marriage would have been either late 1700s or early 1800s if that would help. I have been all over the net but can not find the information. Thanks for any and all suggestions Virgene in northwest Indiana

Hello, To whoever mentioned the surname Christ in the migration from Westmoreland to Northampton, would this name also be Crise too? I have the name Crise in my tree, and they married into my "German" Hough line that was in Westmoreland county. The reason for the "" is there is an English Hough line and a German Hough line. jamie

does anyone have rugh sisters/cousins marrying with 2 bowman brothers approx 1802-1804? thanks bill bowman > The 1955 Year Book of the Pennsylvania Society Sons of the American > Revolution > compiled by Floyd G. Hoenstine > Historian, Pennsylvania Society > Published by The Pennsylvania Society Sons of the American Revolution, > 1956 > Page 717 > > "Henry Brinker (Pvt., Northampton Co. PA. Millitia).....born > 04-1757....died 04-06 1845 > Margaret Wise.........born 1754..........died 1845 > > Margaret Brinker....born 1792............died 1870 > Jacob Rugh............born 1791.............died1852 > > Jacob Welty Rugh.. born ....****.........died 1872 > Rebecca Gilchrist.....born...._____.......died 1872 > > Horace A. Rugh.......born....1854.........died__________Married..1887 > Martha Emma Osborne....born..1864....died________ > > Welty Osborne Rugh (PSAR membership #1810).....born 09-29-1890 > Leah Claire White.....born....._________died___________" > > ****date give also as 1791, presume printing error > ////////////////////// > Does any one know to what Wise family this Margaret Wise was related ? > > My ancestor, Henry Wise...born 1763, was listed as a Silversmith in the > 1790 Greensburg, Westmoreland Co., PA census. I know that Welty and Rugh > were families who were in Greensburg at the same time as my Henry Wise. I > am wondering if Margaret Wise was an older sister of my Henry Wise, > Silversmith? > >

My LOUGHNER/LAUCHNOR/LOUGENOUR line also came from Northampton/Lehigh Co.(Heidelberg Twp) to Westmoreland Co. Bob Warren Joann <joanncupp@foothill.net> wrote: Two of my families that came to Westmoreland County from Northampton County after the Revolutionary War were : HOLTZER and LEIX. JoAnn ==== PAWESTMO Mailing List ====

Early tax records from Northampton Co. (1760's to early 1770's) show many names familiar to Westmoreland researchers. (These tax records are available on microfilm from Salt Lake, Family History Library.) Some I noticed (other than the previously mentioned surnames) are RINGLE (Mathias Ringle settled in Bell Twp., & is buried at St. James Cem. there); ALTMAN, BEST, EISEMAN, KEPPLE, KLINGENSMITH, SILVIUS (Silvus). Janet

Two of my families that came to Westmoreland County from Northampton County after the Revolutionary War were : HOLTZER and LEIX. JoAnn

When (what year) did these families arrive in Westmoreland Co., PA & why? I think you will find that 1769 was when the western lands over the mountains were opened for settlement by the colonial authorities in eastern Pennsylvania. Many came soon thereafter from all parts of eastern Pennsylvania of which old Northampton was a large part. (it hadn't been split up into smaller counties yet). Many of the Germanic types from Alsace and the Palatinate that had arrived in America 20-30 years or more earlier had settled on free land in old Northampton and to a large degree it was their off spring that ventured westward over the mountains into the wilderness for the free land being offered there. This good free land had become much less available in the east. Westmoreland itself became a Pennsylvania county four years later, in 1773. Phil Phil Knox <pknox@earthlink.net> My Web Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~pknox/ My genealogical database on WorldConnect: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=pknox NOTE: E-mail and attachments are automatically scanned by McAfee Antivirus software.

I am looking for information on Charles E.Williams and Margaret Griffiths Williams who lived in the Greensburg, Pa. area until their deaths in the late 1960's early 70's.