Hi, Does anyone know of any historical or interesting local river boat trips in either Westmoreland or Indiana County that are similar to the Gateway Clipper in Pittsburgh? Am looking to locate a historical boat ride in either Westmoreland, Cambria or Indiana County. If you know of one or a company that has one that is cost-effective, can you please e-mail me. Thanks, Mary at [email protected] **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)

Just a question that may have a bearing on your inquiry... Do any of those counties you mention have a river DEEP enough for navigating pleasure/sightseeing boats? Bella From: [email protected] Date: 2008/06/10 Tue PM 02:36:21 CDT To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] Boats on Waterways in Westmoreland County/Indiana County Hi, Does anyone know of any historical or interesting local river boat trips in either Westmoreland or Indiana County that are similar to the Gateway Clipper in Pittsburgh? Am looking to locate a historical boat ride in either Westmoreland, Cambria or Indiana County. If you know of one or a company that has one that is cost-effective, can you please e-mail me. Thanks, Mary at [email protected] **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just looked over the article i mentioned in the previous post and do not see Gemmell there !!!! Sorry,,, ********************** jim miller/621 grove st********************** greensburg pa 15601> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:04:48 +0000> Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] tombstone carver James Gemmell> > > Bill Plack has done research on Gemmell; some of it was> published in WESTMORELAND HISTORY, a publication of> the Westm'd. Co. historical soc. [Spring 2007] . I can put > you in touch with Bill, but he is on the list and may respond> to your query. > > And what is the specific loc. for Zion Luth. Cem ??? ********************** jim miller/621 grove st********************** greensburg pa 15601> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 21:25:40 -0400> Subject: [PAWESTMO] tombstone carver James Gemmell> > I have ancestors buried in Zion Lutheran cemetery whose tombstones were> carved by James Gemmell. He did carve his name in corner of the tombstones.> > I just learned another interesting thing. He carved skull and crossbones on> some of the tombstones that look like they were later chiseled off. I'd be> grateful if anyone has information about James Gemmell.> > John Tarr> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> _________________________________________________________________> Search that pays you back! Introducing Live Search cashback.> http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=srchpaysyouback> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Instantly invite friends from Facebook and other social networks to join you on Windows Live™ Messenger. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_InviteFriends

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Bill Plack has done research on Gemmell; some of it was published in WESTMORELAND HISTORY, a publication of the Westm'd. Co. historical soc. [Spring 2007] . I can put you in touch with Bill, but he is on the list and may respond to your query. And what is the specific loc. for Zion Luth. Cem ??? ********************** jim miller/621 grove st********************** greensburg pa 15601> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 21:25:40 -0400> Subject: [PAWESTMO] tombstone carver James Gemmell> > I have ancestors buried in Zion Lutheran cemetery whose tombstones were> carved by James Gemmell. He did carve his name in corner of the tombstones.> > I just learned another interesting thing. He carved skull and crossbones on> some of the tombstones that look like they were later chiseled off. I'd be> grateful if anyone has information about James Gemmell.> > John Tarr> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Search that pays you back! Introducing Live Search cashback. http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=srchpaysyouback

This site has a list of tombstone symbols and their meanings plus a lot of other data too. http://familyhistory101.com/encyclopedia.html Thanks Ellis for the photos of the unusual tombstone. I have never seen one like it. Dawne

The skull and crossbones were meant to symbolize "momenti mori", or "remember death". In an earlier age of our history, when life was much more precarious that it is today, one's mortality, and the need to be prepared to "meet thy maker" was often forefront on our ancestor's minds. As an example, a poem often inscribed on stones from the 19th century read: Remember man as you walk by As you are now, so once was I As I am now, so you shall be So be prepared to follow me Ellis Michaels Co-coordinator Pennsylvania USGenWeb Tombstone Project [email protected] > [Original Message] > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 6/10/2008 9:35:26 AM > Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] tombstone carver James Gemmell > > > In a message dated 6/9/2008 8:27:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > just learned another interesting thing. He carved skull and crossbones on > some of the tombstones that look like they were later chiseled off. > > > I hope this will come through okay. > Quote: > > Skull and or Skull/ Crossed Bones - Death. > > Unquote. > It was on a site that discussed symbols on tombstones. > It seems so obvious the person is dead, why the heck would they need a > symbol to prove it? Maybe just the carver's sense of the macabre. > > Shirley Maynard > > > > **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best > 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi George, It is 1885-1889. Dawne ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] Marriage records > Hi Dawne - > ?????????? Please advise the date range for the marriages you are > transcribing. Thanks so much for all your efforts. > George in MA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dawne Temple <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 9:50 am > Subject: [PAWESTMO] Marriage records > > > > Just a bit of information, I and another intrepid researcher are > transcribing > the Fayette marriage records from the State Archives for the Fayette Yahoo > group. There are a lot of people from Westmoreland and surrounding > counties in > these records, far too many to copy and paste for the Westmoreland list. > If you > go to the Yahoo site http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fayette_pa/ and enter a > surname, references to that name will pop up. I am currently working on > the "G" > marriages listed by the brides surname and the other researcher is working > backwards doing both the brides and the grooms for each letter. So you > would > have to keep checking to see if the letter you want has been transcribed > yet. > > Dawne > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Why don't you just call the courthouse for what you need? Patty Duff is terrific in the marriage dept and she surely could direct you to the dept that you need. Marriage lic and recorder of deeds are all ready on line as is civil court. They also have delayed deaths and births in Pattys dept. She is so nice and terrific at helping out. There are some estates listed also. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Allen D. McCrady Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] Needed Professional Researcher -There are at least two "title companies" operating in Greensburg. Their employees daily search the records in the courthouse. The problem is that company policy and personal inclination dictate no genealogical clients. We just might persuade a title searcher to moonlight. Someone on the ground should look into this solution Allen D. McCrady ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] Needed Professional Researcher >I think we all want to know. I don't even care about the title > "professional". I'd be willing to pay for the information I want whether > or > not the researcher has a title. > As far as I'm concerned the title only adds to the cost and I'm not > married > to Bill Gates. lol I am willing to pay, just not through the nose. lol > > At 01:29 AM 6/10/2008, you wrote: >>As they say - "Me too!!" >>Please let me know also. >>Nan >>~ >> >>In a message dated 6/9/2008 10:56:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>[email protected] writes: >> >>On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 10:49 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > I in great need of a professional researcher who can check Westmoreland >> > Court records. >> > >> > Linda, if you locate such a researcher, please let me know? I, too, >> > have >> > some needed research at the courthouse. > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.2.0/1494 - Release Date: 6/10/2008 > 7:22 AM > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dawne - ?????????? Please advise the date range for the marriages you are transcribing. Thanks so much for all your efforts. George in MA -----Original Message----- From: Dawne Temple <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 9:50 am Subject: [PAWESTMO] Marriage records Just a bit of information, I and another intrepid researcher are transcribing the Fayette marriage records from the State Archives for the Fayette Yahoo group. There are a lot of people from Westmoreland and surrounding counties in these records, far too many to copy and paste for the Westmoreland list. If you go to the Yahoo site http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fayette_pa/ and enter a surname, references to that name will pop up. I am currently working on the "G" marriages listed by the brides surname and the other researcher is working backwards doing both the brides and the grooms for each letter. So you would have to keep checking to see if the letter you want has been transcribed yet. Dawne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Listers, Bill Plack has brought a most unusual tombstone to my attention, and I was able to go examine it more thoroughly yesterday while visiting my father in Jeannette. The tombstone is poured concrete, and includes what appears to be a death mask taken of the deceased. The stone is in the Sacred Heart (Old) Cemetery on Ridge Road in Jeannette. Here are four views of the stone. http://www.usgwarchives.org/pa/westmoreland/tsimages/sacredheart-hempfield/jeannette/santillo-vittor-a1.jpg http://www.usgwarchives.org/pa/westmoreland/tsimages/sacredheart-hempfield/jeannette/santillo-vittor-a2.jpg http://www.usgwarchives.org/pa/westmoreland/tsimages/sacredheart-hempfield/jeannette/santillo-vittor-a3.jpg http://www.usgwarchives.org/pa/westmoreland/tsimages/sacredheart-hempfield/jeannette/santillo-vittor-a4.jpg Ellis Michaels Co-coordinator Pennsylvania USGenWeb Tombstone Project [email protected] "If you would not be forgotten, as soon as you are dead and rotten, either write things worth reading, or do things worth the writing" (Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)

John, Do you happen to have any pictures of the stones? I would be interested in seeing them. Bill PLack and I did a series of Tombstone Carver Pages, that were featured in the Westmoreland County Historical Society Magazine last year. The web pages can be found at http://www.usgwarchives.org/pa/1pa/tscarvers/tombstone-carvers.htm Ellis Michaels Co-coordinator Pennsylvania USGenWeb Tombstone Project [email protected] "If you would not be forgotten, as soon as you are dead and rotten, either write things worth reading, or do things worth the writing" (Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac) > [Original Message] > From: John Tarr <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 6/9/2008 9:49:04 PM > Subject: [PAWESTMO] tombstone carver James Gemmell > > I have ancestors buried in Zion Lutheran cemetery whose tombstones were > carved by James Gemmell. He did carve his name in corner of the tombstones. > > I just learned another interesting thing. He carved skull and crossbones on > some of the tombstones that look like they were later chiseled off. I'd be > grateful if anyone has information about James Gemmell. > > John Tarr > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barb, Do you mean the whole list? The whole list is available at the State Archives here http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/rg/di/r14-25RecordMarriages/r14-25MainInterface.htm or you can look at just the Fayette ones at the Fayette Yahoo site as we transcribe them. As far as marriage applications go they are not on line. Dawne ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] Marriage records > Dawne > How do you get the whole article? Barb > > > 4680 W marriages PA State Archives, grooms Part 1 > ... Menallen Tp, Blank, 22, W, Fayette County, Penna Williams, J > Smith, Carpenter, Washington Co, Blank, 48, W, March 25, 1886, Annie E > Black, Washington Co, Blank, 40, W, Fayette County, Penna Webster, James, > Waiter, Connellsville, Blank, 23, W, Mar 4, 1886, Cornelia ... > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dawne Temple" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:50 AM > Subject: [PAWESTMO] Marriage records > > >> Just a bit of information, I and another intrepid researcher are >> transcribing the Fayette marriage records from the State Archives for the >> Fayette Yahoo group. There are a lot of people from Westmoreland and >> surrounding counties in these records, far too many to copy and paste for >> the Westmoreland list. If you go to the Yahoo site >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fayette_pa/ and enter a surname, references >> to that name will pop up. I am currently working on the "G" marriages >> listed by the brides surname and the other researcher is working >> backwards >> doing both the brides and the grooms for each letter. So you would have >> to >> keep checking to see if the letter you want has been transcribed yet. >> >> Dawne >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.2.0/1494 - Release Date: 6/10/2008 > 7:22 AM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Just a bit of information, I and another intrepid researcher are transcribing the Fayette marriage records from the State Archives for the Fayette Yahoo group. There are a lot of people from Westmoreland and surrounding counties in these records, far too many to copy and paste for the Westmoreland list. If you go to the Yahoo site http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fayette_pa/ and enter a surname, references to that name will pop up. I am currently working on the "G" marriages listed by the brides surname and the other researcher is working backwards doing both the brides and the grooms for each letter. So you would have to keep checking to see if the letter you want has been transcribed yet. Dawne

In a message dated 6/9/2008 8:27:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: just learned another interesting thing. He carved skull and crossbones on some of the tombstones that look like they were later chiseled off. I hope this will come through okay. Quote: Skull and or Skull/ Crossed Bones - Death. Unquote. It was on a site that discussed symbols on tombstones. It seems so obvious the person is dead, why the heck would they need a symbol to prove it? Maybe just the carver's sense of the macabre. Shirley Maynard **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)

I think we all want to know. I don't even care about the title "professional". I'd be willing to pay for the information I want whether or not the researcher has a title. As far as I'm concerned the title only adds to the cost and I'm not married to Bill Gates. lol I am willing to pay, just not through the nose. lol At 01:29 AM 6/10/2008, you wrote: >As they say - "Me too!!" >Please let me know also. >Nan >~ > >In a message dated 6/9/2008 10:56:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >[email protected] writes: > >On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 10:49 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I in great need of a professional researcher who can check Westmoreland > > Court records. > > > > Linda, if you locate such a researcher, please let me know? I, too, have > > some needed research at the courthouse. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.2.0/1494 - Release Date: 6/10/2008 7:22 AM

If you are near a Family History Center in a LDS temple, you may rent film that will give you some help. Go to the site _www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) , then <library>, then <library search>, then <place>, then type in only <Westmoreland>. A menu will appear with all the Westmorelands availaable. Chose <Pennsylvania Westmoreland>. You will see a long list of records available, unfortunately many of them in book form that you can't get. But go to <probate> and select one or more of those categories. You will see the WPA compilation of court records by alphabet. Yes, in alphabetical order. I have already rented the B and the M and the S film. The B film carried over into the first of the C's and I found Eli Campbell's will information. The M film was split into 2, I believe, and I rented both. I think the S film was only one. After you get the information, you can write to the courthouse with the exact numbers you need to get a copy. I did that in the beginning of my research some 10 years ago and I made note of everything in those surnames that concerned my families for the day when I hit the lottery and could order all the legal papers. I know there are other film but I haven't found them in the LDS catalog. I saw them when I went to Harrisburg some years ago and again, copied what I could of those pre-1900 film, marriages, deaths, etc. I have some of the marriages in my earlier families from those 3 film. Great-grandpap Sholey's marriage, Uncle Coon's death from gangrene, Uncle Sam's death from old age, John Brown's estate, Uncle Bill's minor children's guardianship. You may have luck finding a professional researcher in Harrisburg who would check the film at the State Archives for a fee, but you can also do some of the research yourself at an FHC. It's a 45 minute ride to and then back from my local FHC in Hampton, VA. One trip to order, who knows how many to read. Shirley Maynard Hampton, VA **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)

Full Name of Female, Residence, Place Of Birth, Age of Female, Color, Date Of Marriage, Full Name of Male, Occupation, Residence, Place Of Birth, Age of Male, Color, County Grible, Florence S.; Fayette Co.; West Virginia; 19; W; Sept 9, 1886; Griffith A. Roberts; Farmer; Fayette Co.; Blank; 26; W; Fayette Co. Garre, Belle; Fayette Co.; Blank; 17; W; Oct 16, 1886; William R. Walf; Laborer; Fayette Co.; Blank; 23; W; Fayette Co. Gilmore, Pattie A.; Fayette Co.; Blank; 23; W; Oct 14, 1886; George B. Kaine; Lawyer; Fayette Co.; Blank; 32; W; Fayette Co. Galley, Eliza; Fayette Co.; Blank; 36; W; Nov 4, 1886; George W. Conwell; Farmer; Fayette Co.; Blank; 56; W; Fayette Co. Gribble, Ann Lola; Fayette Co.; Blank; 20; W; Nov 25, 1886; John W. Jeffries; Laborer; Fayette Co.; Blank; 24; W; Fayette Co. Gregg, Lorida; Fayette Co.; Blank; 19; W; Nov 24, 1886; Thomas H. Jones; Laborer; Fayette Co.; Ohio; 27; W; Fayette Co. Goslin, Lydia A.; Westmoreland Co.; Blank; 29; W; Dec 21, 1886; John C. Lynn; Clerk; Fayette Co.; Blank; 24; W; Fayette Co. Gearhart, Mary E. W.; Fayette Co.; Fayette Co.; 23; W; Dec 23, 1886; William Hirim; Laborer; Fayette Co.; Blank; 26; W; Fayette Co. Graham, Adeline E.; Fayette Co.; Fayette Co.; 24; W; Dec 29, 1886; James P. McGill; Physician; South Bend Ind; Canada; 30; W; Fayette Co. Gibbons, Harriet J.; Fayette Co.; Fayette Co.; 30; W; Jany 5, 1887; Franklin Henshaw; Farmer; Fayette Co.; Fayette Co.; 34; W; Fayette Co. Gilliland, Mary C.; Fayette Co.; Fayette Co.; 30; W; Mch 29, 1887; Hamilton Arnold; Farmer; Fayette Co.; Fayette Co.; 38; W; Fayette Co. Goff, Minnie B.; Fayette Co.; Fayette Co.; 16; W; Apr 3, 1887; Wm A. Doyle; Laborer; Fayette Co.; Fayette Co.; 23; W; Fayette Co. Gray, Elizabeth M.; Fayette Co.; Fayette Co.; 24; B; Mch 31, 1887; Richard P. Jackson; Miner; Fayette Co.; Maryland; 34; B; Fayette Co. Gerwig, Amelia; Fayette Co.; Fayette Co.; 21; W; Mch 16, 1887; John H. Schaller; Timer?; Fayette Co.; Pittsburg; 21; W; Fayette Co. Garlicks, Susan A.; Fayette Co.; Fayette Co.; 21; W; April 14, 1887; William N. Harford; Laborer; Fayette Co.; Fayette Co.; 22; W; Fayette Co.

Dawne How do you get the whole article? Barb 4680 W marriages PA State Archives, grooms Part 1 ... Menallen Tp, Blank, 22, W, Fayette County, Penna Williams, J Smith, Carpenter, Washington Co, Blank, 48, W, March 25, 1886, Annie E Black, Washington Co, Blank, 40, W, Fayette County, Penna Webster, James, Waiter, Connellsville, Blank, 23, W, Mar 4, 1886, Cornelia ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawne Temple" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:50 AM Subject: [PAWESTMO] Marriage records > Just a bit of information, I and another intrepid researcher are > transcribing the Fayette marriage records from the State Archives for the > Fayette Yahoo group. There are a lot of people from Westmoreland and > surrounding counties in these records, far too many to copy and paste for > the Westmoreland list. If you go to the Yahoo site > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fayette_pa/ and enter a surname, references > to that name will pop up. I am currently working on the "G" marriages > listed by the brides surname and the other researcher is working backwards > doing both the brides and the grooms for each letter. So you would have to > keep checking to see if the letter you want has been transcribed yet. > > Dawne > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.2.0/1494 - Release Date: 6/10/2008 7:22 AM

I should have put this in the last email. Dawne Underwood, John, Miner, Fayette Co, Ohio, 23, W, June 16, 1886, Ellfrely Davis, Fayette Co, Washington Co, 21, W, Fayette County, Penn