A friend got in touch today about the old German Cemetery that used to be on S. Main St., which was converted into a mini mall and parking lot. They are looking for any visual information on the place, which means pictures. They have tried the Hist. Soc. to no avail. This is a non-profit venture; someone's mother was buried there. Some kind of closure regarding the desecrated cemetery would help out. Other forms of info would be of interest too, but the main quest is for pictures. This query was directed to Jon Nakles, a Greensburg photographer, who asked me for help. The people making this quest are from Connecticut; I don't know their names, but could find out. ********************** jim miller/621 grove st********************** greensburg pa 15601 _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008

"He was buried at The Old German Cemetery in Greensburg, Hempfield Township, Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania. The grave and tombstone were later moved to Hillview Cemetery in south Greensburg". **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

am not / have not / will not do Unity twp. I have to limit the scope of these projects in order to bring them to completion. the name you cite does not appear as a weaver in Hempfield Tp. recs.********************** jim miller/621 grove st********************** greensburg pa 15601> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected]> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:22:58 -0600> Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] local industry pre-1850> > Are you going to/or have done Unity Twp? Do you list names? I'm interested > in Geo. Adam Ruffner. He was known to be a weaver. Pat> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alissa Booth" <[email protected]>> To: <[email protected]>> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:27 AM> Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] local industry pre-1850> > > >I know an ancestor of mine, Christopher or Christian Amalong was a> > wagonmaker in Westmoreland County before moving to Fayette County in> > 1842-1844. I haven't fully explored this information but he is included> > in the History of Westmoreland County, History of Hempfield Township, p.> > 507, but it says Mt. Pleasant Township tax rolls. Hope thishelps.> >> > james miller wrote:> >> Every now and then I do a post to the list about projects I am working on > >> hoping someone out there may have some information to pass along.> >>> >> I am working on the first [chronologically ] of three books dealing with > >> the industrial past of Greensburg and Hempfield Township. The second and > >> third books have already been published. The present book deals with > >> local industry before the building of the Pennsylvania Railroad [circa > >> 1850] . Truth to tell, much of local production at that time was what > >> we would call a cottage industry. One of the surprising things that this > >> project has turned up is just how much was produced locally before the > >> arrival of the railroad. Shipping things of all kinds was expensive > >> before the railroad, and it was cheaper to make things right here if that > >> was possible.> >>> >> The list of things made locally includes: clocks, hats, guns, stills, > >> pottery, wagons, carriages, beer, liquor, newspapers, scythes, hatchets, > >> threshing machines, pumps, fabrics, leather, shoes, saddles, ink, > >> gunpowder, gravestones, bricks, etc. I am also looking for millers, > >> blacksmiths, sawyers, miners , in short anyone who was making things.> >>> >> I am doing this post to inquire if anyone on the list might have > >> information that they want to pass along about people they descend from > >> or know about who made things in pre 1850 Greensburg or Hempfield > >> township .> >>> >> Thanks in advance, ********************** jim miller/621 grove > >> st********************** greensburg pa 15601> >> _________________________________________________________________> >> Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety.> >> http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008> >>> >> -------------------------------> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >>> >> No virus found in this incoming message.> >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com> >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1579 - Release Date: 7/29/2008 > >> 6:43 AM> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm

Shirley, I was wondering how someone can check the 1850 Industrial Census. I don't think I'm familiar with it. I'm a member at ancestry.com, but I didn't see it listed there. I would appreciate any help you may be able to give me. Thanks, Barb Crawford Hocking Co., OH [email protected] wrote: > > In a message dated 7/30/2008 7:38:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > I am doing this post to inquire if anyone on the list might have information > that they want to pass along about people they descend from or know about > who made things in pre 1850 Greensburg or Hempfield township . > > > > Have you checked the 1850 Industrial Census? > I neglected to do that, myself, or would have found my cooper. He wasn't in > Greensburg, but I'm sure his barrels sold far and wide in the county. It > wasn't just a one man shop. He apprenticed all his sons to work with him, and > 2 of them went to IL and opened their own businesses. . > > Shirley Maynard > Hampton, VA > > > > >

JoAnn, I was wondering about your Salem Twp. tax list that you said you have. I wanted to know if you could look for a James Crawford listed for Salem Twp. Thanks very much in advance for that favor, Barb Crawford Hocking Co., OH JoAnn wrote: > I found these fiber related people on the 1815 Greensburg tax list. It is only for Greensburg Borough: > > Abraham Baker weaver (50) > Robert Graham carder (100) > John Hargrave weaver > Richard Hargrave single man, weaver > Jacob Hugus cardmaker (100) > Tobias Syboth Blue Dyer > > Note: A carder prepares the wool for spinning. > I extracted these names from an Old Westmoreland periodical in a genealogy in Youngtown, AZ. I did not make a copy of the list. I do have several tax lists for Salem Twp and one for Washington Twp. I was looking for weaving mills to try to date a coverlet that a cousin owns. > JoAnn Cupp > [email protected] > Grass Valley, CA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Shirley / yes, thanx, i did that when i was working on The Greensburg Route. What was the cooper's name ?? ********************** jim miller/621 grove st********************** greensburg pa 15601> From: [email protected]> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:53:04 -0400> To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] local industry pre-1850> > > In a message dated 7/30/2008 7:38:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes:> > > I am doing this post to inquire if anyone on the list might have information > that they want to pass along about people they descend from or know about > who made things in pre 1850 Greensburg or Hempfield township .> > > > Have you checked the 1850 Industrial Census? > I neglected to do that, myself, or would have found my cooper. He wasn't in > Greensburg, but I'm sure his barrels sold far and wide in the county. It > wasn't just a one man shop. He apprenticed all his sons to work with him, and > 2 of them went to IL and opened their own businesses. . > > Shirley Maynard> Hampton, VA> > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008

Every now and then I do a post to the list about projects I am working on hoping someone out there may have some information to pass along. I am working on the first [chronologically ] of three books dealing with the industrial past of Greensburg and Hempfield Township. The second and third books have already been published. The present book deals with local industry before the building of the Pennsylvania Railroad [circa 1850] . Truth to tell, much of local production at that time was what we would call a cottage industry. One of the surprising things that this project has turned up is just how much was produced locally before the arrival of the railroad. Shipping things of all kinds was expensive before the railroad, and it was cheaper to make things right here if that was possible. The list of things made locally includes: clocks, hats, guns, stills, pottery, wagons, carriages, beer, liquor, newspapers, scythes, hatchets, threshing machines, pumps, fabrics, leather, shoes, saddles, ink, gunpowder, gravestones, bricks, etc. I am also looking for millers, blacksmiths, sawyers, miners , in short anyone who was making things. I am doing this post to inquire if anyone on the list might have information that they want to pass along about people they descend from or know about who made things in pre 1850 Greensburg or Hempfield township . Thanks in advance, ********************** jim miller/621 grove st********************** greensburg pa 15601 _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008

Jacob MILLER, s/o Jacob and Anna Maria Miller was born 26 Sept 1789 in Westmoreland Co. He married Elisabeth Wentling. He was a Blacksmith in Adamsburg. He died 18 Apr 1849. JoAnn Cupp

John Adam STARCK (Stark) Born in 1796 in Wurttemberg, Germany, died 1874 in Greensburg was listed as a Wagon and Carriage Maker in the 1850 Greensburg Census. His wife was Charlotte Holtzer, d/o Jacob and Christina Barbara Leix Holtzer. JoAnn Cupp

Are you going to/or have done Unity Twp? Do you list names? I'm interested in Geo. Adam Ruffner. He was known to be a weaver. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alissa Booth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] local industry pre-1850 >I know an ancestor of mine, Christopher or Christian Amalong was a > wagonmaker in Westmoreland County before moving to Fayette County in > 1842-1844. I haven't fully explored this information but he is included > in the History of Westmoreland County, History of Hempfield Township, p. > 507, but it says Mt. Pleasant Township tax rolls. Hope thishelps. > > james miller wrote: >> Every now and then I do a post to the list about projects I am working on >> hoping someone out there may have some information to pass along. >> >> I am working on the first [chronologically ] of three books dealing with >> the industrial past of Greensburg and Hempfield Township. The second and >> third books have already been published. The present book deals with >> local industry before the building of the Pennsylvania Railroad [circa >> 1850] . Truth to tell, much of local production at that time was what >> we would call a cottage industry. One of the surprising things that this >> project has turned up is just how much was produced locally before the >> arrival of the railroad. Shipping things of all kinds was expensive >> before the railroad, and it was cheaper to make things right here if that >> was possible. >> >> The list of things made locally includes: clocks, hats, guns, stills, >> pottery, wagons, carriages, beer, liquor, newspapers, scythes, hatchets, >> threshing machines, pumps, fabrics, leather, shoes, saddles, ink, >> gunpowder, gravestones, bricks, etc. I am also looking for millers, >> blacksmiths, sawyers, miners , in short anyone who was making things. >> >> I am doing this post to inquire if anyone on the list might have >> information that they want to pass along about people they descend from >> or know about who made things in pre 1850 Greensburg or Hempfield >> township . >> >> Thanks in advance, ********************** jim miller/621 grove >> st********************** greensburg pa 15601 >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. >> http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1579 - Release Date: 7/29/2008 >> 6:43 AM >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Johannes Leix, my 5th great grandfather moved to Westmoreland Co. from Northampton Co. after the Revolution. He immigrated from Germany in 1752 with a Certificate of Recommendation as a weaver. This paper along with birth records for his children and his marriage record, all written in German, were handed down in the family and eventually translated. With these papers were old weaving patterns but I do not know if they survived or who might have gotten them. John Leix sold land for the Feightner Cemetery. He died in Westmoreland Co. in 1817. I do not know where he is buried nor am I sure of where he lived in Westmoreland county. Probably in the area where the Feightner Cemetery is located. JoAnn Cupp

John POWELL was in Westmoreland County 1769, owning land on Thompson's Creek. How do I find where he came from to Westmoreland? TIA Donny J.

I found these fiber related people on the 1815 Greensburg tax list. It is only for Greensburg Borough: Abraham Baker weaver (50) Robert Graham carder (100) John Hargrave weaver Richard Hargrave single man, weaver Jacob Hugus cardmaker (100) Tobias Syboth Blue Dyer Note: A carder prepares the wool for spinning. I extracted these names from an Old Westmoreland periodical in a genealogy in Youngtown, AZ. I did not make a copy of the list. I do have several tax lists for Salem Twp and one for Washington Twp. I was looking for weaving mills to try to date a coverlet that a cousin owns. JoAnn Cupp [email protected] Grass Valley, CA

I know an ancestor of mine, Christopher or Christian Amalong was a wagonmaker in Westmoreland County before moving to Fayette County in 1842-1844. I haven't fully explored this information but he is included in the History of Westmoreland County, History of Hempfield Township, p. 507, but it says Mt. Pleasant Township tax rolls. Hope thishelps. james miller wrote: > Every now and then I do a post to the list about projects I am working on hoping someone out there may have some information to pass along. > > I am working on the first [chronologically ] of three books dealing with the industrial past of Greensburg and Hempfield Township. The second and third books have already been published. The present book deals with local industry before the building of the Pennsylvania Railroad [circa 1850] . Truth to tell, much of local production at that time was what we would call a cottage industry. One of the surprising things that this project has turned up is just how much was produced locally before the arrival of the railroad. Shipping things of all kinds was expensive before the railroad, and it was cheaper to make things right here if that was possible. > > The list of things made locally includes: clocks, hats, guns, stills, pottery, wagons, carriages, beer, liquor, newspapers, scythes, hatchets, threshing machines, pumps, fabrics, leather, shoes, saddles, ink, gunpowder, gravestones, bricks, etc. I am also looking for millers, blacksmiths, sawyers, miners , in short anyone who was making things. > > I am doing this post to inquire if anyone on the list might have information that they want to pass along about people they descend from or know about who made things in pre 1850 Greensburg or Hempfield township . > > Thanks in advance, ********************** jim miller/621 grove st********************** greensburg pa 15601 > _________________________________________________________________ > Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. > http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1579 - Release Date: 7/29/2008 6:43 AM > > > >

Dawne, Thank You for all your hard work. I had the obit for John Potter and yes, his second wife was a Katherine Small, who had previously been married to Samuel Cruthers, then she married John Potter and married a Joseph Smith after John Potter's death. John and his second wife did move to Mt for awhile, but came back to Fayette Co. I hadn't done anything on Catherine Potter Cafferty, so thank you for her obit. I know I had a copy of Elizabeth Cullen Potter's obit somewhere. Makes me mad when I lose something like that. Maybe it will turn up someday. If it does, I will post it. Thank You again. Pat -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 201 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

In a message dated 7/30/2008 8:08:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Shirley / yes, thanx, i did that when i was working on The Greensburg Route. What was the cooper's name ?? His German name was Johannes Konradt (Conrad) Mohr when he left Germany, but years in Lebanon Co. changed it in various ways in the baptismal records.. I think by 1860 it had settled into John C. Moore, but some of the boys still spelled it in different ways, such as More, Moor. . He had a cooperage shop at the foot of Chestnut Ridge not too far from the Michael Hill farm (now the Sportsman's Lodge I think). He was "farming" for lumber around 1840 and in 1855 or thereabout, he and his son, Samuel, purchased additional land (one square mile) on Chestnut Ridge for the shop and more lumber. By 1860, he was listed in the Agriculture census, but his estate had cooper tools listed in 1865. His son, Koon, Jr. (John K. Moore, Jr. married Mary Busse Hill) farmed for lumber to sell to the railroad later. But this isn't Greensburg. Shirley Maynard Hampton, VA **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

In a message dated 7/30/2008 7:38:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I am doing this post to inquire if anyone on the list might have information that they want to pass along about people they descend from or know about who made things in pre 1850 Greensburg or Hempfield township . Have you checked the 1850 Industrial Census? I neglected to do that, myself, or would have found my cooper. He wasn't in Greensburg, but I'm sure his barrels sold far and wide in the county. It wasn't just a one man shop. He apprenticed all his sons to work with him, and 2 of them went to IL and opened their own businesses. . Shirley Maynard Hampton, VA **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

My gggg-grandfather Joseph Hebrank and his brother Benjamin ran a tannery in Adamsburg, starting in the 1830's. His daughter Mary married a weaver named Tobias Wagner, who also repaired clocks (there were quite a few weavers in Adamsburg, but I don't know if they constituted an 'industry). Bob Warren [email protected] ----- Original Message ---- From: james miller <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:37:19 AM Subject: [PAWESTMO] local industry pre-1850 Every now and then I do a post to the list about projects I am working on hoping someone out there may have some information to pass along.  I am working on the first [chronologically ] of three books dealing with the industrial past of Greensburg and Hempfield Township.  The second and third books have already been published.  The present book deals with local industry before the building of the Pennsylvania Railroad [circa 1850] .  Truth to tell,  much of local production at that time was what we would call a cottage industry.  One of the surprising things that this project has turned up is just how much was produced locally before the arrival of the railroad.  Shipping things of all kinds was expensive before the railroad, and it was cheaper to make things right here if that was possible.  The list of things made locally includes: clocks, hats, guns, stills, pottery, wagons, carriages, beer, liquor, newspapers, scythes, hatchets, threshing machines, pumps, fabrics, leather, shoes, saddles, ink, gunpowder, gravestones, bricks, etc.  I am also looking for millers, blacksmiths, sawyers, miners , in short anyone who was making things.  I am doing this post to inquire if anyone on the list might have information that they want to pass along about people they descend from or know about who made things in pre 1850 Greensburg or Hempfield township . Thanks in advance, ********************** jim miller/621 grove st********************** greensburg pa 15601 _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is a Catherine Cafferty in the 1920 census in Scottdale. Her husband is listed as Jhon J. (this is the way it is spelled in the census). Catherine is 32 and her husband is 35. Both of them were born in PA and all of their parents were born in Ireland. John is a rougher in a steel mill. Their children are as follows- Thomas, 13; John, 11; Lillian, 8; Leo, 7 and Marcella, 2 7/8. In 1930 they are still in Scottdale. They live at Eleanor Avenue. John J. Cafferty, owned home, 3,000, had a radio,46, first married at 21; PA; Irish Free State; Irish Free State; rougher in steel mill Catherine, wife, 43, first married at 18, PA, Irish Free State, Irish Free State John W., son, 22, PA, PA, PA, manager, service station Thomas J., son, 23, PA, PA, PA, salesman, Garage? Lillian, daughter, 19, PA, PA, PA Leo J.; Son, 17, PA, PA, PA Marcella, daughter, 12; PA, PA, PA Paul, son, 9, PA, PA, PA Mary, daughter, 3 5/12. PA. PA, PA The Daily Courier, Saturday, April 13, 1963 Scottdale-The service for Mrs. Katherine Cafferty, 76, of 509 Eleanor Ave. who died Thursday evening in Frick Community Hospital, Mount Pleasant, will be held Monday. There will be a prayer at 9:30 a.m. at the Kapr funeral home, followed by requiem high mas at 10 a.m. in St. John's R. C. Church. Msgr. Gerald A. Scroth will officiate. She was a member of St. John's Church and the Catholic Daughters of America. Surviving are her husband John; three sons, Thomas of Orlando Fla., John W. of Waynesburg and Leo of Houston, Texas; three daughters, Mrs. Lillian Kennell of Pittsburgh, Mrs. Macella Yelaney of Hempstead, N.Y., and Mrs. Mary Nist of Akron, Ohio, 15 grandchildren; three great grandchildren and a sister, Mrs. Elizabeth Teets of Uniontown. In other articles her name is spelled Catherine. Dawne

I found this...... The Morning Herald, Friday, June 5th, 1925 John Potter, aged 67 years, of Filbert, died Thursday evening, June 4, 1925 at 10:15 o'clock. Deceased was born in Bellenderg Darrybaum, County Galway, Ireland in 1868. He is survived by his wife, Mrs. Elizabeth Potter, and the following children: Mrs. Katherine Cafferty of Scottdale, William Potter of Buffingion, John Potter of Detroit, James Potter of Akron and Mrs. Elizabeth Teets of Uniontown. The following stepchildren also survive: Mrs. Minnie Riley of Red Lodge, Mont., Mrs. Margaretta Hall of Billings, Mont., W. S. Cruthers of Uniontown and Jospeh Cruthers of Wilson, Pa., together with 24 grandchildren. Funeral arrangerments will be announced later. The Daily Courier, June 6, 1925 Funeral service for John Potter of Filbert, will be held Monday morning at 9 o'clock at St. Procopius Catholic Church, New Salem. Rev. Trafay will offiiate. The interment will be made in Mount Pleasant Cemetery. Therer is also an article about Andrew B. Cruthers in the Daily Courier, Oct 11, 1919. It talks about how he died of wounds received in WWI. He had 29 operations It mention that his stepfather and mother Mr. and Mrs. John Potter who had lived at Mt. Pleasant had moved to Montana. I have not found anything on the first Mrs. Potter. Dawne