I wonder if anyone has access to marriages in Westmoreland Co. prior to 1800? I would be most interested in any McCormick marriages listed. Thanks for any help. Art Miller, Louisville

I wonder if anyone has access to "Two lists of early residents of s/w Pa.; those holding Va. grants, 1779-1785; signers of a petition to form a new state" by Helen L. Harriss and would share some info from it? I would be most interested in any McCormicks shown on these lists. Also, would welcome any info on McNees, Wiley, McClain and McClelland. Thanks, Art Miller, Louisville

Actually what I was hoping for is some kind of info could be found in the PA Archives Ser? Vol?. Thank you for your help. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] War 1812 > > In a message dated 8/2/2008 5:19:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Yes, the reason I'd hoped for a little more verification was the expense > of > NARA. I don't want to have going thru what you did. > > > > At one time, when I was young and agile, we traveled to DC every 2 months > to > get pension records from the NARA. My husband had over a dozen and I had > even more. > > To "pay our dues" for being allowed to go, I would take a request or two > with me and copy those pensions for others. It made me feel good and > someone > else got the benefit of my trip. > > I used to have a contact, a PA woman, who went to Albany, NY every few > months and I would have her request records for me at the archives. I > would pay > her a few dollars above the cost. With enough of us, she paid for her > trip > and we would get a response from NY in 3 weeks, not 6 months. > > Gee, it would be nice to be young(er) and agile. <smile> > > Shirley > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 8/2/2008 5:19:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Yes, the reason I'd hoped for a little more verification was the expense of NARA. I don't want to have going thru what you did. At one time, when I was young and agile, we traveled to DC every 2 months to get pension records from the NARA. My husband had over a dozen and I had even more. To "pay our dues" for being allowed to go, I would take a request or two with me and copy those pensions for others. It made me feel good and someone else got the benefit of my trip. I used to have a contact, a PA woman, who went to Albany, NY every few months and I would have her request records for me at the archives. I would pay her a few dollars above the cost. With enough of us, she paid for her trip and we would get a response from NY in 3 weeks, not 6 months. Gee, it would be nice to be young(er) and agile. <smile> Shirley **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )

I found that my ancestral relatives, John H. Wise and his younger brother Frederick A. Wise both served in the War of 1812 as Officers. The DAR in Washington has a book that was published by the Government Printing Office ??circa 1900?? That listed every Officer of every Military service up until the date of publication. They were listed in the book, as well as the time of their service. They each served, if memory serves me right, a year and a day. The librarian told me the reason for that period of service is that amount of service made them eligible for Land Grants. I do not know any thing about the soldier rank. In the process of researching this (a long time ago) I learned that at least one of them was connected to a Unit that I believe was called, "The Pittsburgh Blues." They both lived in Greensburg, Westmoreland County, PA at the time of their service. There is a society akin to the DAR for the War of 1812. I live near the headquarters but have not had time to go there. It might be worth checking out their website. Good luck, Shirley

I am told the Mormon church did not film the administration abstracts 1784-1786. Does any researcher know whether these records are available in the Westmoreland courthouse? TIA Donny J.

You could try here but I'm not sure if you will find War of 1812 info here. I use it a lot to cross reference with other info I have to make sure it is the right person. This helps when requesting the right pension file. http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/archive.asp Heritage Quest may have something, I'm not sure. Patricia Sterner wrote: > Yes, the reason I'd hoped for a little more verification was the expense of > NARA. I don't want to have going thru what you did. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 11:53 AM > Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] War 1812 > > > >> In a message dated 8/2/2008 10:42:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Does any records exist in Westmoreland Co. that I could get >> >> >> I know you can get the pension itself from the NARA. I have my >> gr.gr.grandfather's application for a pension or bounty land. His name >> was John Moore, at >> that time. He served from York Co., PA in 1814, but he applied in >> Westmoreland Co. about 1855. >> All his sons and grandsons knew of his service, so it wasn't a fruitless >> search. >> >> I couldn't swear to it, but perhaps Carnegie Library has something, too. >> >> Those records are interesting to read, but honestly, I didn't find any >> family information in it. It mentioned his being wounded in the >> "buttocks" at >> Baltimore and a letter from a neighbor verified that he had seen John >> Moore in >> Baltimore at that time. Part of the file is missing so I don't know if >> he >> received anything for his service or not. I know that same year he and a >> son >> purchased a square mile of Chestnut Ridge. The family story is that >> grandpap >> got it for free. >> >> I know the pension records are expensive to get anymore and if you get a >> wrong one you will not be happy. >> I have a few civil war pensions that were not of my family, so I donated >> them to various societies. But they cost only a few dollars to copy them >> while >> at the NARA. >> >> Good luck. >> >> Shirley Maynard >> Hampton, VA >> >> >> >> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your >> budget? >> Read reviews on AOL Autos. >> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 >> ) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1586 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 6:59 PM > > > >

Yes, the reason I'd hoped for a little more verification was the expense of NARA. I don't want to have going thru what you did. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] War 1812 > > In a message dated 8/2/2008 10:42:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Does any records exist in Westmoreland Co. that I could get > > > I know you can get the pension itself from the NARA. I have my > gr.gr.grandfather's application for a pension or bounty land. His name > was John Moore, at > that time. He served from York Co., PA in 1814, but he applied in > Westmoreland Co. about 1855. > All his sons and grandsons knew of his service, so it wasn't a fruitless > search. > > I couldn't swear to it, but perhaps Carnegie Library has something, too. > > Those records are interesting to read, but honestly, I didn't find any > family information in it. It mentioned his being wounded in the > "buttocks" at > Baltimore and a letter from a neighbor verified that he had seen John > Moore in > Baltimore at that time. Part of the file is missing so I don't know if > he > received anything for his service or not. I know that same year he and a > son > purchased a square mile of Chestnut Ridge. The family story is that > grandpap > got it for free. > > I know the pension records are expensive to get anymore and if you get a > wrong one you will not be happy. > I have a few civil war pensions that were not of my family, so I donated > them to various societies. But they cost only a few dollars to copy them > while > at the NARA. > > Good luck. > > Shirley Maynard > Hampton, VA > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your > budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 8/2/2008 9:42:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: http://www.mormontimes.com/ME_familyhistory.php?id=1647 Thank you, I bookmarked it. That is what was needed, an explanation. Shirley **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )

In a message dated 8/2/2008 10:42:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Does any records exist in Westmoreland Co. that I could get I know you can get the pension itself from the NARA. I have my gr.gr.grandfather's application for a pension or bounty land. His name was John Moore, at that time. He served from York Co., PA in 1814, but he applied in Westmoreland Co. about 1855. All his sons and grandsons knew of his service, so it wasn't a fruitless search. I couldn't swear to it, but perhaps Carnegie Library has something, too. Those records are interesting to read, but honestly, I didn't find any family information in it. It mentioned his being wounded in the "buttocks" at Baltimore and a letter from a neighbor verified that he had seen John Moore in Baltimore at that time. Part of the file is missing so I don't know if he received anything for his service or not. I know that same year he and a son purchased a square mile of Chestnut Ridge. The family story is that grandpap got it for free. I know the pension records are expensive to get anymore and if you get a wrong one you will not be happy. I have a few civil war pensions that were not of my family, so I donated them to various societies. But they cost only a few dollars to copy them while at the NARA. Good luck. Shirley Maynard Hampton, VA **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )

http://www.mormontimes.com/ME_familyhistory.php?id=1647 The first link explains what you find in the second link. There is more than you expect when you click the second link. <http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08205/898728-51.stm>http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08205/898728-51.stm http://stevemorse.org/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1586 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 6:59 PM

Does any records exist in Westmoreland Co. that I could get. I do have the info on Martin Miller Pension from this War but need to verify is this is my ancestor (with a name like Miller). Thank you for your help. Pat

Hi, I need some help with obtaining information with regard to shoemakers and dressmakers. I am trying to locate Thomas Williams and his family that Located in the 1850 census. I followed them as closely as possible, but did not locate Thomas again until 1880. I also located a possible relative named Thomas buried in the St. Vincent Cemetery. At any rate, if I wanted to find some interesting information regarding his trade as a shoemaker, where would I look? I am trying to locate this information for my distant cousin who is from Tipperary, Ireland. He is related to Thomas Williams seen in the 1850 census and I promised him that I would try to locate information pertaining to his occupation as a shoemaker. Thanks, Mary Ellen **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )

In a message dated 8/1/2008 4:40:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I love going there and it is a good thing I don't live there as I would head there once a week and wouldn't get anything done on the computer at home. I used to tell my husband that I wanted us to retire to the top floor of the hotel behind the archives so I could walk over there every day. Sounds like they have done a great job on remodeling. We were there just once 5 years ago when the 4th floor was already under construction and the first floor was rather disorganized (to me, anyway). I wasn't too happy with the computer stuff I had to do, rather than the usual way. Of course, at my age, I want to research, not learn how to work a new place. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Wish ancestry.com had listened to me and not changed the format of its site. I liked being able to browse the data bases, especially the newspapers, without asking for a specific person first. I liked wandering around the fourth floor microfilm room to find new and better film hiding away. Shirley . . **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )

The microfilm is in beautiful new settings behind the guards on the bottom floor where you enter off Pennsylvania Avenue. Originally they were going to take the 2nd floor and remodel it I think into offices, but found out it was on the national historical register and they couldn't change it that much. They then have totally refurbished it. New reading tables, with a lamp on each one and electrical outlets at every table. They put in new copiers about 3 or 4 years ago. I was there when they put them in. They are great as when you are copying a file and you start from the top of the file, the copies end up in the correct order and not reversed like on the old one. The research card is now your debit card also and they are only good for one year and that I was disappointed in. I seem to have misplaced my original and I had to get a new one this year. I hope I get back there before June and it runs out. You can transfer your money to a new card though so you really don't lose your cash. I love going there and it is a good thing I don't live there as I would head there once a week and wouldn't get anything done on the computer at home. Jerilyn **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )

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I have not been following all the NARA discussion, but I do want to say that records are really very easy to obtain, if they exist. I have obtained copies of my ancestors Civil War records, WWII, WWI and Rev. War records. It is relatively simple and a lot cheaper and al a lot less time consuming than going to the National Archives. Try this web site and follow the directions. _https://eservices.archives.gov/orderonline/start.swe?SWECmd=GotoView&_sn=iNMd vOmsjN7nx5L.WSMy5dZ.KzC.2S5YkWRsQ-1i0hs_&SWEView=GPEA+Online+Order+Home+Page+V iew&SWEHo=eservices.archives.gov&SWETS=1217602771_ (https://eservices.archives.gov/orderonline/start.swe?SWECmd=GotoView&_sn=iNMdvOmsjN7nx5L.WSMy5dZ.KzC.2S5 YkWRsQ-1i0hs_&SWEView=GPEA+Online+Order+Home+Page+View&SWEHo=eservices.archive s.gov&SWETS=1217602771) Linda **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

In a message dated 8/1/2008 5:26:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Can you tell me what they charge? Are they giving you originals to photocopy or copies for you to take home with you? The original papers and what a pleasure to see gr.grandpap's handwriting and gr.grandma's stories. You can never take an original paper outside the archives. Wow! The guard at the door will check each paper. Try not to mix them up while you are copying. It could be easy to do with three piles, the original pile waiting to be copied, the original pile that has been copied, and the copied pile. Be cautious. As I wrote, the guard will check each page before you are allowed to leave the room and the guard at the entrance will check each page before you are allowed to leave the building. Shirley Maynard Hampton, VA **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

In a message dated 7/31/2008 8:14:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Also have lot's of dollar bills with you for the photocopying machines. The last time we were there, admittedly 5 or so years ago, the fourth floor where the microfilm was held, was being remodeled and the microfilm room was on the first floor behind the guards' station. Is it still there? But the reading room is still on the second floor? We had to read the microfilm in order to get the certificate and dates from each pension record. That is now online, so the information is available before you get to DC and you can quickly fill out the form there in the microfilm room. It took just 2 hours to have our military records request filled. We didn't have names called. After checking in, we went to the desk in the reading room and asked for the records, one at a time. We also had to use the debit cards to work the copying machines. The debit machines in the microfilm room were too undependable, so I would get mine in the office on the main floor. But this was 5 years ago. I know there have been changes and for the better. Is the Deli still there behind the Sailor's Memorial? We enjoyed the band music and the great food at the deli. And always visited the GAR memorial not too far away. So some things have changed, but some remain the same. I absolutely forgot about the picture ID. I still have mine as a souvenir. Shirley Maynard Hampton, VA **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

then you wait until they call your name and give you the | info. | Can you tell me what they charge? Are they giving you originals to photocopy or copies for you to take home with you? Thank you! Barbara Vogele Obaker Gibsonia, Allegheny County, PA Researching: PA: Vogele-Frye-Berkey-Seger-Claycomb-Buell-Penrod-Shaffer-Oats-Bittner-Bishop-Dibert-Berkebile-Zimmerman-Ripple-Clark-Whipkey-Obaker-Coughenour-Bennett-Lang-Beatty-Woodward-Klites-Bruck-Work MD: Obaker-Goodwin-Knapp-Stegemuller VA: Hankins-Flippin-DeJarnette-Staples-Sudberry-Rudd-Mumford