Shirley -- Just read your comments that you just posted. Ocean 5 opened before 1900, not in the 1920s. They were an operating mine, as far as I know, the entire time. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] Elizabeth Twp., Allegheny Co. help > > In a message dated 8/22/2008 10:32:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Shirley, what about trying to find Smithfield 1920 census entries > under Georges Township, Fayette County? Do you think they might be > there > > > It was Smithdale, Elizabeth Twp., Allegheny Co. I think perhaps it > didn't > really exist prior to the mine opening. > The last of my family to be born in Bradenville was in 1924 and the first > in > Smithdale was 1927. > Grandpap couldn't find work in Westmoreland and I think he went to the > newly > opened Ocean 5 mine in Smithdale between 1925 and 1927. My father, in > Oklahoma in 1930, heard about the mine opening from his sister who lived > in > McKeesport. She sent for him. > About the only history I can find for the Pittsburgh Coal Co. is in > Indiana > Co. > > I'm sure there were small mines scattered along the railroad that I can't > remember. > There were two train tracks. One was on the other side of the Yough > River > in Westmoreland and it carried both freight and passengers. There was a > lot of > flat land following the river allowing a buildup along side the tracks. > The one on the other side of the Yough River in Allegheny Co. carried > only > coal, as far as I can remember. It ran along the river circling the > hills > from town to town. I walked it a couple times from Smithdale to West > Side, > West Newton. Fun but scary, the only way off the track was to climb the > hill > above it. > > It is going to be difficult to extract miners' names from Smithdale 1930 > census. The very first name is unreadable. I had to print the blank > form to > understand all the categories. Own a radio?? My, my. Own home, amount > of > rent paid? > > Should be a challenge. > > Shirley > > > > > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Shirley and others -- Your request re Smithdale and Ocean No. 5 is more complicated than you might imagine. I will try to explain, but to really understand you need to be familiar with the area and what was there in the earlier years. First of all, Smithdale existed at least in name as early as the 1890s. If you cannot find this pre-1930, try the name "Taylor", which is what part of the same area was known as. There was a railroad whistle stop at Smithdale pre-1900. However, here comes the confusion. There were actually 2 (and a third one described at the end of this missive) mines in the immediate area, not one. First, we have Ocean No. 5 (Ocean 1 was across the Yough, 2 at Scott Haven, and 3 and 4 on a spur just above Buena Vista). Then, about 1800 feet north we had the Forest Hill Mine, sometimes called the Ellsworth Mine as the Ellsworth people operated it for a long time. Neither of these mines, both of which probably first opened in the very early 1890s, were originally owned by Pittsburgh Coal Company. The Ocean operator was Youghiogheny River Coal Company, and I do not recall about the Forest Hill developer. Here comes a problem in understanding all this. The Smithdale Station on the railroad was located at railroad survey point 1539, the Ocean 5 Mine Tipple was at 1523, and the Forest Hill mine was at 1505. Each survey point equals 100 feet, so Smithdale Station is 1600 feet south of Ocean 5, and Forest Hill is 1800 feet north of Ocean 5. Workers walked these distances to work every day, so we cannot assume just where the employee worked or lived without independent confirmation. Where did the people live? River Road (called Highway) was west (above) the Forest Hill Mine, and people lived in this area. The Highway was east of Ocean 5 and Smithdale, toward the Yough River. People lived at both Ocean 5 and Smithdale, but they were actually separate housing areas. My guess is that the housing around Ocean 5 was called Taylor. About 1894 there were about 33 houses, one Methodist Church, and one "Dago" Shack in the Ocean 5 area. No stores. Even though I believe this area was called Taylor, it actually likely became part of "Smithdale", which I imagine was just a name, not a town. About 200 feet north of the Smithdale Station, the Highway crossed the railroad tracks and paralleled the tracks on the west side. At the point where the road crossed the tracks, George Sansom operated a store. About 250 feet south of the Station, John Weis operated another store. Just south of this store there were 4 houses, a large stable, and a Public School. I have the names of the occupants of these 4 houses which were Joseph Karoly, John Skaruby, Mike Rebar and John Miller. Rebar and Skaruby jointly operated the Stable. There were no other houses in this area, so this was what I call the original Smithdale, as opposed to Taylor which built up around Ocean 5. Again, the above physical descriptions are from about the years 1900 to 1905. Ocean 5 entrance was about 250' west of the tracks, up the hill. The Tipple House and Tipple were between. They operated 4 side tracks in this area, called River Track, Hill Track, Slack Track, and Box Car Track. I am not sure which one was which, but I imagine that each was also used to collect different grades of coal under the Tipple House. The longest side track (River) was about 3000 feet long. There were several interconnections. At the entrance (head of the Tipple) there were 3 buildings, the Check Room, the old Blacksmith Shop, and the new Blacksmith Shop. The pumphouse was at Survey Point 1519, and the coal company had an office at SP 1516. The Forest Hill mine had about the same arrangement, and was about 200 feet west of the main tracks. Now comes an even bigger mystery. There was actually a third (active) mine entrance in the immediate area between Ocean 5 and Forest Hill. Pittsburgh Coal ended up owning all three mines, so I am not positive which mine this entrance connected with. This unnamed entrance was located at SP 1509, and I imagine workers from Smithdale and Taylor and Forest Hill areas also worked at this location. There was no Tipple at this location, only a Boiler House and Dynamo Room, and a huge stable (I imagine for the horses and mules). There was also a Dilly Track up to this entrance, also about 250 feet west of the main tracks. They apparently loaded the rough-cut coal directly into hopper cars at a short side track just below the entrance and near the main tracks. Now that I have given you all History 101, run with it. Obviously, I enjoy Mining History along this bank of the Youghiogheny River. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:50 AM Subject: [PAWESTMO] Elizabeth Twp., Allegheny Co. help > Smithdale was just across the river from Sutersville, Westmoreland Co. so > perhaps someone here can help me. > I read the 1930 Smithdale census to find the coal miners. Of course, it > was > a coal mining town and nearly every head of household was a laborer in > the > coal mines... > Ocean 5, Pittsburgh Coal Co. > I thought perhaps I could check the 1920 Smithdale census, but I can't > find > it. I've check different places for the history of Ocean 5, thinking > perhaps > Smithdale didn't even exist until after coal was discovered, but I don't > know when that was. > Has anyone ever run across Smithdale, Elizabeth Twp., Allegheny Co. in the > 1920 census? > I do remember a few houses that were NOT built by the coal mine owners, > but > just a very few. They clung to the hills above the Yough River, one road > leading to the coal mine entrance and beyond, the other leading up the > hill to > the highway to West Newton. I can't remember if they were older than the > other > houses built by the coal company, but they didn't seem much older. > Houses > darken in coal mining towns. > > My grandparents had 8 children (6 born in Bradenville, Westmoreland Co.) > and > were assigned the 2 largest houses in town...the first where I was born > just > before the coal mine entrance, the last on the road leading out of town. > Uncle Charlie had another large house that he turned into a boarding > house for > single miners. He worked the mines, too, even if the census doesn't say > so. > > I'm going to extract the head of house hold laborers in the coal mines > from > the Smithdale 1930 census and submit it to the miner's museum. I thought > having 1920 would add something to the research, but was there a 1920 > Smithdale? > > Thanks for the help, > Shirley > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 8/22/2008 10:32:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Shirley, what about trying to find Smithfield 1920 census entries under Georges Township, Fayette County? Do you think they might be there It was Smithdale, Elizabeth Twp., Allegheny Co. I think perhaps it didn't really exist prior to the mine opening. The last of my family to be born in Bradenville was in 1924 and the first in Smithdale was 1927. Grandpap couldn't find work in Westmoreland and I think he went to the newly opened Ocean 5 mine in Smithdale between 1925 and 1927. My father, in Oklahoma in 1930, heard about the mine opening from his sister who lived in McKeesport. She sent for him. About the only history I can find for the Pittsburgh Coal Co. is in Indiana Co. I'm sure there were small mines scattered along the railroad that I can't remember. There were two train tracks. One was on the other side of the Yough River in Westmoreland and it carried both freight and passengers. There was a lot of flat land following the river allowing a buildup along side the tracks. The one on the other side of the Yough River in Allegheny Co. carried only coal, as far as I can remember. It ran along the river circling the hills from town to town. I walked it a couple times from Smithdale to West Side, West Newton. Fun but scary, the only way off the track was to climb the hill above it. It is going to be difficult to extract miners' names from Smithdale 1930 census. The very first name is unreadable. I had to print the blank form to understand all the categories. Own a radio?? My, my. Own home, amount of rent paid? Should be a challenge. Shirley **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

Shirley, what about trying to find Smithfield 1920 census entries under Georges Township, Fayette County? Do you think they might be there? Nancy Karns -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [PAWESTMO] Elizabeth Twp., Allegheny Co. help Smithdale was just across the river from Sutersville, Westmoreland Co. so perhaps someone here can help me. I read the 1930 Smithdale census to find the coal miners. Of course, it was a coal mining town and nearly every head of household was a laborer in the coal mines... Ocean 5, Pittsburgh Coal Co. I thought perhaps I could check the 1920 Smithdale census, but I can't find it. I've check different places for the history of Ocean 5, thinking perhaps Smithdale didn't even exist until after coal was discovered, but I don't know when that was. Has anyone ever run across Smithdale, Elizabeth Twp., Allegheny Co. in the 1920 census? I do remember a few houses that were NOT built by the coal mine owners, but just a very few. They clung to the hills above the Yough River, one road leading to the coal mine entrance and beyond, the other leading up the hill to the highway to West Newton. I can't remember if they were older than the other houses built by the coal company, but they didn't seem much older. Houses darken in coal mining towns. My grandparents had 8 children (6 born in Bradenville, Westmoreland Co.) and were assigned the 2 largest houses in town...the first where I was born just before the coal mine entrance, the last on the road leading out of town. Uncle Charlie had another large house that he turned into a boarding house for single miners. He worked the mines, too, even if the census doesn't say so. I'm going to extract the head of house hold laborers in the coal mines from the Smithdale 1930 census and submit it to the miner's museum. I thought having 1920 would add something to the research, but was there a 1920 Smithdale? Thanks for the help, Shirley **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ============================================================================== This communication, together with any attachments hereto or links contained herein, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is confidential or legally protected. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, disclosure, copying, dissemination, distribution or use of this communication is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail message and delete the original and all copies of the communication, along with any attachments hereto or links herein, from your system. ============================================================================== The Travelers e-mail system made this annotation on 08/22/08, 11:31:58.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Dawne Temple <[email protected]>wrote: > Rana, > > I do not know where you live, but many of the historical societies have > them. You could check the ones in your area. The publications themselves > are > no longer in print. I buy every one I see when they come up for sale, which > isn't often! > > Dawne, thank you. We live in MD and are planning a research trip to Westmoreland County this fall. From what you have written, the best place to look for the magazine would be the Historical Society in Greensburg. Thank you. Rana > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Brady Reunion 2009 For all descendants of Hugh Brady, born 1709, and his wife Hannah McCormick. This is a family event. Come, bring your children, and celebrate Hugh Brady's 300th Birthday. Several of his descendants moved into Westmoreland County. Date of Reunion: June 19-21, 2009 Place: The Old Brady Homestead, just outside of Shippensburg, Pennsylvania. Contact: Donna Cuillard at [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) All are welcome! **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

Smithdale was just across the river from Sutersville, Westmoreland Co. so perhaps someone here can help me. I read the 1930 Smithdale census to find the coal miners. Of course, it was a coal mining town and nearly every head of household was a laborer in the coal mines... Ocean 5, Pittsburgh Coal Co. I thought perhaps I could check the 1920 Smithdale census, but I can't find it. I've check different places for the history of Ocean 5, thinking perhaps Smithdale didn't even exist until after coal was discovered, but I don't know when that was. Has anyone ever run across Smithdale, Elizabeth Twp., Allegheny Co. in the 1920 census? I do remember a few houses that were NOT built by the coal mine owners, but just a very few. They clung to the hills above the Yough River, one road leading to the coal mine entrance and beyond, the other leading up the hill to the highway to West Newton. I can't remember if they were older than the other houses built by the coal company, but they didn't seem much older. Houses darken in coal mining towns. My grandparents had 8 children (6 born in Bradenville, Westmoreland Co.) and were assigned the 2 largest houses in town...the first where I was born just before the coal mine entrance, the last on the road leading out of town. Uncle Charlie had another large house that he turned into a boarding house for single miners. He worked the mines, too, even if the census doesn't say so. I'm going to extract the head of house hold laborers in the coal mines from the Smithdale 1930 census and submit it to the miner's museum. I thought having 1920 would add something to the research, but was there a 1920 Smithdale? Thanks for the help, Shirley **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

Rana, I do not know where you live, but many of the historical societies have them. You could check the ones in your area. The publications themselves are no longer in print. I buy every one I see when they come up for sale, which isn't often! Dawne ----- Original Message ----- From: "RickandRana" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] Old Westmoreland, May, 1994, pp. 32-3 > Carol, we tried replying to your e-address, below, and were viewed as > spam, > so we use this forum to thank you for taking time to send the required > information. > Where might we locate all the magazines in this series? > > Thanks again for your help. > > Rana > _______________________ > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 8:58 AM, David & Carol Eddleman < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> The previous page has the header, "Nineteenth District," and the title of >> the whole article is "Fatal and Non-Fatal Accidents at Westmoreland >> County >> Bituminous Coal Mines in 1908." That was evidently extracted from the >> 1908 >> Report of the Department of Mines of Pennsylvania, Part II, Bituminous, >> published in Harrisburg in 1909. The order of information given on each >> line is: Date/name/nationality/occupation/age/marital status/number of >> widows/number of orphans/name of mine/nature and cause of accident. >> >> Hope this is what you were looking for! >> >> Carol C. Eddleman >> Bedford County Genealogy Project Host >> http://www.pa-roots.com/~bedford/ <http://www.pa-roots.com/%7Ebedford/> >> http://www.pa-roots.com/data.html >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Carol, we tried replying to your e-address, below, and were viewed as spam, so we use this forum to thank you for taking time to send the required information. Where might we locate all the magazines in this series? Thanks again for your help. Rana _______________________ On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 8:58 AM, David & Carol Eddleman < [email protected]> wrote: > The previous page has the header, "Nineteenth District," and the title of > the whole article is "Fatal and Non-Fatal Accidents at Westmoreland County > Bituminous Coal Mines in 1908." That was evidently extracted from the 1908 > Report of the Department of Mines of Pennsylvania, Part II, Bituminous, > published in Harrisburg in 1909. The order of information given on each > line is: Date/name/nationality/occupation/age/marital status/number of > widows/number of orphans/name of mine/nature and cause of accident. > > Hope this is what you were looking for! > > Carol C. Eddleman > Bedford County Genealogy Project Host > http://www.pa-roots.com/~bedford/ <http://www.pa-roots.com/%7Ebedford/> > http://www.pa-roots.com/data.html >

In a message dated 8/21/2008 2:10:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: The mine at Smithdale was known as "Ocean # 5"--Pittsburgh Coal Co That sounded familiar, but I wasn't sure. Ocean # 5. So I will spend some time with the 1930 census...my parents weren't married by that time, but I think Dad was in the same area at that time...and check out some of the names I remember. Thank you. Shirley **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

Sure! If they come soon, tell them to ask for the box because it may not be accessioned yet. We are open Wed and Sat from 10-4. If they know when they are coming and I could make it I would be glad to come and help them out. Here is a link to our web site www.chestnutridgehistoricalsociety.org . Dawne ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] MIners site. > > In a message dated 8/21/2008 8:41:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > I took your box, all except the wills that I want to trancsribe for the > genweb, to the historical society. They are very happy to receive all the > information! > > > > And some of the Moores have mentioned visiting the society, too. Over the > years, I sent copies of almost everything I had to them, but they would > like > to look for their other families. > Can you post Chestnut Ridge's opening times? > > Shirley Maynard > Hampton, VA > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Shirley The mine at Smithdale was known as "Ocean # 5"--Pittsburgh Coal Co My Grandfather--my dad and his brother all worked there----found my father in law too Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:21 AM Subject: [PAWESTMO] MIners site. > > In a message dated 8/21/2008 7:29:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > http://patheoldminer.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > > > That's nice, Nancy. My father and grandfather and some of my uncles > worked > in the Smithdale mine prior to WWII and into it some time.. I don't know > the > name of the mine. I see there are a lot of missing names that I > personally > remember. Unless I didn't look at the right mine. That's possible. > > Drake, Moore, Arva, Barnett, Morpanini, Martinelli, Phillips. > > I sent Dawne a calendar published by the miners' union but I think it > was > generic for all mines, not just PA. > > I have more memorabilia for Indian Territory (OK) mines where my > grandfather > was a unon organizer. Guess I need to check to see if they have a > miners' > memorial. > > Shirley Maynard > Hampton, VA > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > >

In a message dated 8/21/2008 8:36:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Maybe you could add your father, grandfather and uncles' names to the Smithdale database when you figure out the name of the mine. On the census records where they are listed as miners, does it say anything in the occupation category to suggest the name of the mine? I thought there was just one mine in Smithdale. I was just a kid but I remember only one mine. It may have changed owners over the years. I remember the kids I played with and went to school with. Not their parents' names. I'll look through the 1930 Smithdale census. I know the kids were too young to be on the census, but perhaps their parents were. And by chance, perhaps the mine's name is, as well. I can see the village yet. Where they sat, the company store, the post office, the tavern, the church, the school on top of the hill next to a burning slag heap,the ferry over the Yough River, the houses and outhouses, the RR track, and the mine, and the town pump that wasn't needed anymore when I was young. It's burned into my memory. Especially the disaster siren that sent us all running over the tracks and up the hill to the mine entrance. I heard it again as the emergency vehicle siren in Europe and it sent shivers up my spine. Grandpap Harry Moore had a slate wall fall on his head and it broke a bone in his neck that wasn't discovered until he was an old man. He suffered horrible headaches all his adult life. My dad, Harley Drake, suffered his last years with coal miners' lung. My Uncle Harry Moore was disabled by a ruined lung. >From my years of breathing the coal dust as the train cars passed within 20 feet of my front porch I have had lung problems. There were mine injuries the records will never show. Indian Territory doesn't have the same sort of miners site. They have a statue with names on it, none on line. That's too bad. My aunt's father in law lost his life in those mines, T. A. Drake. My grandmother's first husband was killed in those mines, Lee Williams, and her father, John Hasty, was injured. My grandfather Joe Drake was a union organizer, deported out of the territory by federal troops, but he returned and continued with his union activities. My father was blackballed at age 15 when his father died...he could never work in those mines, they said, because of his father's union activities. It is a fascinating subject. My first cousin, Daniel Moore, was a coal miner who was laid off. To pass the time, he enrolled at a community college near Smithton. He wrote such compelling history papers on the coal mines that he was encouraged to continue and now has his Ph.D in mining, but Central America, not USA. I sent those articles to the Chestnut Ridge Historical Society. I think our family has a speck of coal dust in our genes. Gr.grandpap Jim Moore somewhere near Chestnut Ridge, his sons whereever they could find work. Gr.grandpap Charles Alexander Sholey somewhere near Derry Station. His dad, Cyrus John Sholey of Ligonier, in Sutersville. Shirley Maynard Hampton, VA **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

In a message dated 8/21/2008 8:41:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I took your box, all except the wills that I want to trancsribe for the genweb, to the historical society. They are very happy to receive all the information! And some of the Moores have mentioned visiting the society, too. Over the years, I sent copies of almost everything I had to them, but they would like to look for their other families. Can you post Chestnut Ridge's opening times? Shirley Maynard Hampton, VA **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

Here it is Mickey http://www.co.westmoreland.pa.us/westmoreland/cwp/view.asp?a=1453&q=576852&westmorelandNav=| Dawne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mickey Cendrowski" <[email protected]> To: "+ PAWESTMO-L" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: [PAWESTMO] Marriage License > Hi, > > Can someone on the list please provide me with the current address and fee > in which to order a marriage license and application from the Westmoreland > County Courthouse? > > Mickey > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

The fee the last time I got any was $1 a page. Sometimes there are three page if a consent was given by the parents. Good luck Dee in Fl **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

Thanks for your quick response, I see the address there, but not the current fee, in order to send for a Marriage License. Mickey [email protected]

Hi, Can someone on the list please provide me with the current address and fee in which to order a marriage license and application from the Westmoreland County Courthouse? Mickey [email protected]

I had that copy of Old Westmoreland here and I scanned the page to her this A.M. Carol C. Eddleman Bedford County Genealogy Project Host http://www.pa-roots.com/~bedford/ http://www.pa-roots.com/data.html

I checked the copies that I have and do not have that issue. Try contacting the Ligonier Library http://www.ligonierlibrary.org/PA_Room.htm They should have it since Shirley Iscrupe who is the compiler of these wonderful books, works there. Dawne ----- Original Message ----- From: "RickandRana" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 7:38 AM Subject: [PAWESTMO] Where is this available? > Where might we locate copies of the below-referenced magazine? > > TIA > > Rana > > _Old Westmoreland the History and Genealogy of Westmoreland County, > Pennsylvania_, volume 13, number 4, May 1994, page 33. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >