I was at a cemetery this week and found a couple of flag holders like this one http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~paerie/cemeteries/pics/FLT-IOOF-424.jpg What does F L T stand for? Linda

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Jim Ramaley <[email protected]> wrote: > Rana, > > The one place that I know has a copy is the Allen County Library (Ft. > Wayne, Indiana). The reference is > http://webcat.acpl.lib.in.us/uhtbin/cgisirsi/QNELVIIRr1/MAIN/76340023/9 > > The Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh (main branch, 4400 Forbes Ave) appears > to have issues through 1993: > you can get to them at www.clpgh.org; their genealogy department is > http://www.carnegielibrary.org/research/genealogy/genealogy/ > > There is metered parking in front of the library but it gets filled up > quickly. Jim, I am grateful for your help. Thank you. Rana > > > Jim Ramaley > Gettysburg, PA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RickandRana" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:16 AM > Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] Old Westmoreland, May, 1994, pp. 32-3 > > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Dawne Temple <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > >> Rana, > >> > >> I do not know where you live, but many of the historical societies have > >> them. You could check the ones in your area. The publications themselves > >> are > >> no longer in print. I buy every one I see when they come up for sale, > which > >> isn't often! > >> > >> Dawne, thank you. > > > > We live in MD and are planning a research trip to Westmoreland County > this > > fall. From what you have written, the best place to look for the > magazine > > would be the Historical Society in Greensburg. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Rana > > > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Linda, This is what I've heard they mean: " FLT is an acronym for "Friendship, Love, Truth" used by the Independent Order of Odd Fellows." Nathan Zipfel Westmoreland County Genealogy Project http://www.pa-roots.com/~westmoreland/ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PAWESTMO] flag holder I was at a cemetery this week and found a couple of flag holders like this one http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~paerie/cemeteries/pics/FLT-IOOF-424.jpg What does F L T stand for? Linda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 8/22/2008 4:38:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: The one place that I know has a copy is the Allen County Library (Ft. Wayne, Indiana). The reference is _http://webcat.acpl.lib.in.us/uhtbin/cgisirsi/QNELVIIRr1/MAIN/76340023/9_ (http://webcat.acpl.lib.in.us/uhtbin/cgisirsi/QNELVIIRr1/MAIN/76340023/9) Don't forget you can get copies of articles, etc. through the Interlibrary Loan department at your local library. I've never had to pay for an article. I've done so many times, sometimes getting full chapters of county history books. Shirley Maynard **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

Rana, The one place that I know has a copy is the Allen County Library (Ft. Wayne, Indiana). The reference is http://webcat.acpl.lib.in.us/uhtbin/cgisirsi/QNELVIIRr1/MAIN/76340023/9 The Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh (main branch, 4400 Forbes Ave) appears to have issues through 1993: you can get to them at www.clpgh.org; their genealogy department is http://www.carnegielibrary.org/research/genealogy/genealogy/ There is metered parking in front of the library but it gets filled up quickly. Jim Ramaley Gettysburg, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: "RickandRana" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] Old Westmoreland, May, 1994, pp. 32-3 > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Dawne Temple <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Rana, >> >> I do not know where you live, but many of the historical societies have >> them. You could check the ones in your area. The publications themselves >> are >> no longer in print. I buy every one I see when they come up for sale, which >> isn't often! >> >> Dawne, thank you. > > We live in MD and are planning a research trip to Westmoreland County this > fall. From what you have written, the best place to look for the magazine > would be the Historical Society in Greensburg. > > Thank you. > > Rana > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 8/22/2008 3:48:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: My passion has been the mines and railroads on the west side of the Yough. No ancestors, just a hobby like genealogy. It can be a compelling passion, just like genealogy. My cousin, Daniel Moore, was a coal miner...somewhere in Smithton or near Smithton...when he was laid off. He attended a community college nearby and wrote such compelling papers about coal mines for his history papers, he was encouraged and given scholarships, etc. and now has his Ph.D in history. Unfortunately, not American coal mines, Central American. I'm not sure where he teaches now. So he turned his coal mining experience into a life long pursuit. I'm interested in coal mining since I have many generations of miners on both my parents' sides. But it is union activities that activated my interest. My grandfather was a miner in Leadville, CO in 1880, but he went to Indian Territory (Choctaw Nation, Five Civilized Tribes) shortly after and became a union organizer. When he died, my father, then 15, was blackballed from the mines in Oklahoma and wasn't able to get steady work. He wondered around the country, trying to find a job, but finally, in about 1932, he heard about the mine in Smithdale and got a job there. He boarded with my mom's family and they married in 1934 in little Smithdale. My PA ancestors came to Westmoreland County from Franklin County PA, as did many other W'moreland pioneers, but primarily in Derry Salem and Allegheny Townships. My MOOREs were from Lebanon Co. but they were coopers. They homesteaded on Chestnut Ridge and many are still there. It wasn't until later when coal was discovered that the family turned to mining and railroading. My grandmother's family of SHOLEYs, however, were in Ligonier and they early mined, her grandfather 1880 in Sutersville. Granma was born in Derry Station or New Derry, I forget which one. I don't remember Smithdale having street names. There was just the one graveled road running parallel between the river and the railroad track (but maybe with a bit of a deviation to the right) and the one street on the other side of the railroad track with the post office and the crossing the "cat in the cradle".of the hill climbing road. I am going to spend a few hours looking at the complete Elizabeth Twp. census tomorrow. I'll look especially for Taylor. Funny, I just assumed all these years that a pioneer named Smith settled in the wide spot along the river. Google Earth has a nice map going from West Newton to different areas, but Smithdale still shows up as an X with little to remind me of the booming coal town that I remembered. Hiking along the river would be a great experience. I wish I had done more. Shirley **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

Is this is? http://www.mcn.org/2/NOEL/Westmoreland/OldWorldCemeteries.htm | | Also several years ago I wrote a long article on burial practices | around the world and someone put it on either the Westmoreland or | Washington Co. web page. Does anyone remember where it might be? | | Thanks. Jerilyn |

Jerilyn, There are tax lists for Fairfield starting at 1810 in the USGenWeb Archives: http://usgwarchives.net/pa/westmoreland/taxlist.htm Chris http://www.pagenweb.org/~westmoreland/ | Could someone direct me to the correct web page that has the tax | lists from Westmoreland CO back in the late 1700s? I am | particularly interested in Fairfield and Rostraver Township. I had | several pages in my favorites but guess I didn't update them and | most of them no longer exist. | | Also several years ago I wrote a long article on burial practices | around the world and someone put it on either the Westmoreland or | Washington Co. web page. Does anyone remember where it might be?

Ocean No. 1 Mine is somewhere in the Suterville vicinity, on that side of the Yough. Perhaps other mines also. I am not familiar with mines on that side of the river. My passion has been the mines and railroads on the west side of the Yough. No ancestors, just a hobby like genealogy. My PA ancestors came to Westmoreland County from Franklin County PA, as did many other W'moreland pioneers, but primariny in Derry Salem and Allegheny Townships. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] Coal miners > > In a message dated 8/22/2008 1:55:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > My knowledge of the town is a slightly earlier period than when you lived > there, Shirley. Sounds like they built it up a good bit through the > years. > > > > I just did a GoogleEarth check for Smithdale. Couldn't get a decent map, > just an x in a box. Did they end up strip mining the area? My gosh, how > often > we went into the woods to supplement our diets with mushrooms, tubers, > whatever was edible. Anise was a prize. > I thought that the area was probably settled much earlier when river > travel > was the only way to reach it. The settlers learned early that the Yough > was > predictable > when it came to overrunning it's flood plain, so they built on another > level. > > They may have farmed the lower level as my grandpap did in another section > when he lived on the second level, but for the mines to became > operational, > they had to scrap the level area. We had decent Victory Gardens, oh my, > those > tomatoes, and Mom's flowers were lovely. Grandma had showplace > hollyhocks. > The Italians planted vineyards equal to any I saw in Italy. I imagine > the > lower level was very fertile at one time. > > I think that is probably it, Paul. It was a settlement along the river > but > when coal was discovered, roads and railroads were built. > > I will keep your messages, because my Greatgreat grandfather, Cyrus John > Sholey, was a coal miner in 1880 Sutersville. I never knew which mine. > I'll > want to investigate that, too. > > Shirley Maynard > Hampton,VA > > > > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Shirley - Margaret Street is what was known as River Road, running parallel to the tracks and crossing several times. Where the road turns uphill (Troup Road) it is because of the valley cut out by Pollock Run right at that point. When you get to the top, you can go to left to Colinsburg or West Newton, or the other way to Elizabeth. Ocean St is just a short side street, among several others. This area still exists, it was not obliterated by the Cosmic Catycism (or however you spell this word). I have driven through there in the past several years, usually while hiking the Yough River Trail. I get the impression that you lived in the area of what I called Smithdale houses in my earlier email, although I will have to compare your recollections with my railroad detailed maps for that area. Or, if this is what you call the upper area, then you lived down the road to near where the tipple was. Perhaps this is where you lived, as it would be somewhat lower elevation and subject to flooding. If you were in the next to last house on the river site, I may have you house on the maps (as a block, no details) if it was built before 1900. I just looked at an 1897 Mining Directory, and it lists Taylor as the town where Ocean No. 5 is located, Smithdale is not listed at all as a town with a mine. I have a feeling the entire area was known as Taylor at one time, as far south as Pollock Run, and to areas above Douglass. They say the Post Office for Taylor is Scott Haven, so Taylor may have extended that far north. Smithdale is an area within Taylor, if all this is true. Taylor no longer exists. Since this was 1897, and I know Smithdale existed on my 1903 railroad map, I would assume it was a name coined about 1900, or it was just an area within Taylor, as was Douglass. I have a 1902/03 listing of side tracks for the Ocean No. 5 mine (known as Scotts Mine for a while, after the name of the owner of Yough Coal Company). The Ocean 5 Tipple side tracks were built at least as early as 1893, according to this reference (I have the original hand-written Journal in my collection). Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] Elizabeth Twp., Allegheny Co. help > > In a message dated 8/22/2008 11:51:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Shirley -- Just read your comments that you just posted. Ocean 5 opened > before 1900, not in the 1920s. They were an operating mine, as far as I > know, the entire time. > > > > > Where would that have been on the census. Perhaps just Elizabeth Twp, > without a name? > Shirley > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 8/22/2008 1:55:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: My knowledge of the town is a slightly earlier period than when you lived there, Shirley. Sounds like they built it up a good bit through the years. I just did a GoogleEarth check for Smithdale. Couldn't get a decent map, just an x in a box. Did they end up strip mining the area? My gosh, how often we went into the woods to supplement our diets with mushrooms, tubers, whatever was edible. Anise was a prize. I thought that the area was probably settled much earlier when river travel was the only way to reach it. The settlers learned early that the Yough was predictable when it came to overrunning it's flood plain, so they built on another level. They may have farmed the lower level as my grandpap did in another section when he lived on the second level, but for the mines to became operational, they had to scrap the level area. We had decent Victory Gardens, oh my, those tomatoes, and Mom's flowers were lovely. Grandma had showplace hollyhocks. The Italians planted vineyards equal to any I saw in Italy. I imagine the lower level was very fertile at one time. I think that is probably it, Paul. It was a settlement along the river but when coal was discovered, roads and railroads were built. I will keep your messages, because my Greatgreat grandfather, Cyrus John Sholey, was a coal miner in 1880 Sutersville. I never knew which mine. I'll want to investigate that, too. Shirley Maynard Hampton,VA **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

Could someone direct me to the correct web page that has the tax lists from Westmoreland CO back in the late 1700s? I am particularly interested in Fairfield and Rostraver Township. I had several pages in my favorites but guess I didn't update them and most of them no longer exist. Also several years ago I wrote a long article on burial practices around the world and someone put it on either the Westmoreland or Washington Co. web page. Does anyone remember where it might be? Thanks. Jerilyn **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

In a message dated 8/22/2008 12:46:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: http://www.placenames.com/us/p1204671/ I checked it. Just Smithdale, and no map, so I did a GoogleEarth and found there really isn't a map for Smithdale. It has Margaret Street and Ocean Street nearby, but Smithdale is just an x in a box. My gosh, did they end up strip mining the area? Shirley **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

Shirley, I would suggest you contact the people in the Elizabeth Twp Historical Society, I am sure they have looked into this. Yes, I imagine it was just a series of "areas" in Liz Twp, so it would be under the Township heading on the Census pages. Sometimes, as I am sure you know, they did subdivide a township into various areas. The ETHS owns a building in downtown Boston, PA, and I am sure they have a phone listing. Look in Switchboard. I am a member of ETHS, but not active. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] Elizabeth Twp., Allegheny Co. help > > In a message dated 8/22/2008 11:51:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Shirley -- Just read your comments that you just posted. Ocean 5 opened > before 1900, not in the 1920s. They were an operating mine, as far as I > know, the entire time. > > > > > Where would that have been on the census. Perhaps just Elizabeth Twp, > without a name? > Shirley > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 8/22/2008 11:51:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Shirley -- Just read your comments that you just posted. Ocean 5 opened before 1900, not in the 1920s. They were an operating mine, as far as I know, the entire time. Where would that have been on the census. Perhaps just Elizabeth Twp, without a name? Shirley **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

Paul, thank you so much. I printed your message. My problem is, I can see Smithdale, but don't know measurements, etc.. The railroad track, the river, the curves, the hills, even the buildings, that's what I see.. I remember being picked up and carried when the siren blew and everyone raced for the mine entrance, so I did see the entrance, but not enough to register much. That siren (used in Europe) can send shivers up my spine even today. There were two levels to the town. The first level is where the houses were built for the workers. My dad and mom lived in the next to last house before the train tracks went into the curve and followed the river to West Side West Newton. I walked it a few times to deliver messages to West Newton. The Barnas were in the last house. This level wasn't too much above the river. Prior to the building of the dam, the Yough would flood. My grandpap borrowed a row boat and we got out of the house by exiting from the second floor window. I don't think I'll ever forget that dark water climbing the stairway to the second floor. The outhouse was closest to the river and there was a path between the outhouses and the river we kids would take to get from house to house. The Yough is my favorite river. No matter how much I was punished, I was constantly playing near it. There weren't any houses facing us in that section. Instead it was a broad gravely area and the railroad tracks were I estimate 20 but perhaps more feet from our front yard, running parallel Across the track was an incline and then another road with houses that were less uniform than our company built houses. They hugged the "mountain" behind them. Sort of like a straight line, then a long winged "v" shaped area over it.. The first level continued from our house to the company store. It was built at the crossing of the track to the second level, but on the river side, not the land side. Here was the town pump. I remember Dad saying they thought they had fooled the owners by laying pipes and bringing water to the houses...he laughed about it. No one used the pump, other than sometimes someone would turn it on for kids to play in the water. Going past the company store on the first level, the land opened enough for 2 rows of houses, with a road between them. The river side houses followed the river, the railroad side houses followed the railroad until it reached a large broad "square" where the tavern lay. Here is where we would bring our chairs and watch a movie projected on a large outdoor screen. The river side continued, but the square broke up the row of houses on the railroad side. Then the houses continued until they were against the hillside and no more could be built, but the track continued. The river houses continued with a break for a small one room church, then to the ferry. The ferry was privately owned by a family in Sutersville and we would ring the bell to have it sent over to us. The second level above the railroad tracks had the post office nearby the railroad crossing. The hill climbed steadily. Somewhere up there, I thought the last house, but perhaps not, was the house I was born in. Large house with a porch that looked over the level below. (And my mother had a mean uncle who used to dangle us kids head first over the railing...I've never forgiven him nor gotten over my fear of heights. She'd fight him and he'd call us bad sports.) My young uncle was just 2 years old when he slipped down the incline and in front of a coal car. It severed his arm. I understand that road continued on to the top of the "mountain" and on to another town, but I was too young to remember that. The second level road at the crossing, would lead to the other road that led to the highway to Elizabeth or West Newton. Some of these houses were not standard fare for a coal mine and clung to the hillside, some looking like they were carved from the hill. Tucked between these houses was a flight of stairs. Ten stairs, then a level, ten stairs, then a level, ten stairs, on and on and on, (we walked up the path next to them to save energy) to the top of the mountain where the company had built a school house. I remember 2 classrooms, then a large reception room, and some small offices. There may have been more classrooms. Next to the school house was a burning slag heap. We dared each other to get close to it. The woods ringed the school house on 3 sides. I remember seeing a young boy who had been shot carried into the school house where he died. Another memory that won't go away. By going through the woods, I could avoid the stairs and drop down the hill to the last house we lived in while in Smithdale. Below it and across the road was a broad area that my grandpap used as a garden. Good rich soil, perhaps wet lands, He also cut ice from the river in the winter. Then the road curved round and round and ended up on top of the mountain, a left turn to West Newton, a right turn to Elizabeth.. Shirley Maynard Hampton, VA Going the opposite direction, there were **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

My knowledge of the town is a slightly earlier period than when you lived there, Shirley. Sounds like they built it up a good bit through the years. Actually, there were 6 or 7 operating mines within a mile of so of Smithdale in the 1890 to 1930 period, several perhaps closing before 1930. On the Smithdale side of West Newton was the West Newton Shaft. Across from Suterville was Douglas, and Douglas Run. Up Douglas Run there were 3 operating mines, the Atlantic, the Pacific, and the Warden. The Atlantic probably closed before 1900 (or was it the Pacific?). And, just north of Douglas was the Sarah Mine. All of these would be easy walking distance from Smithdale, most being a bit north. Several of these mines likely connected with each other underground, as they were all mining the same vein of coal. Those up the Run might have been mining a slightly higher vein, although the Pittsburgh seam was mostly all that was mined during this period. The higher veins were too thin to be economically feasible for underground mining, even today. That is why they have stripped some areas, to get at the thinner seams. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karns,Nancy C" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] Coal miners > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [PAWESTMO] Coal miners > > > > In a message dated 8/21/2008 8:36:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Maybe you could add your father, > grandfather and uncles' names to the Smithdale database when you figure > out > the name of the mine. On the census records where they are listed as > miners, > does it say anything in the occupation category to suggest the name of > the > mine? > > > > I thought there was just one mine in Smithdale. I was just a kid but I > > remember only one mine. It may have changed owners over the years. > I remember the kids I played with and went to school with. > Not their parents' names. > I'll look through the 1930 Smithdale census. I know the kids were too > young > to be on the census, but perhaps their parents were. And by chance, > perhaps > the mine's name is, as well. > I can see the village yet. Where they sat, the company store, the post > > office, the tavern, the church, the school on top of the hill next to a > burning > slag heap,the ferry over the Yough River, the houses and outhouses, the > RR > track, and the mine, and the town pump that wasn't needed anymore when I > was > young. It's burned into my memory. Especially the disaster siren that > sent us > all running over the tracks and up the hill to the mine entrance. I > heard it > again as the emergency vehicle siren in Europe and it sent shivers up > my > spine. > Grandpap Harry Moore had a slate wall fall on his head and it broke a > bone > in his neck that wasn't discovered until he was an old man. He suffered > > horrible headaches all his adult life. My dad, Harley Drake, suffered > his last > years with coal miners' lung. My Uncle Harry Moore was disabled by a > ruined > lung. >>From my years of breathing the coal dust as the train cars passed > within 20 > feet of my front porch I have had lung problems. There were mine > injuries > the records will never show. > > Indian Territory doesn't have the same sort of miners site. They have > a > statue with names on it, none on line. > That's too bad. My aunt's father in law lost his life in those mines, > T. A. > Drake. My grandmother's first husband was killed in those mines, Lee > Williams, and her father, John Hasty, was injured. My grandfather Joe > Drake was a > union organizer, deported out of the territory by federal troops, but > he > returned and continued with his union activities. My father was > blackballed at > age 15 when his father died...he could never work in those mines, they > said, > because of his father's union activities. > > It is a fascinating subject. My first cousin, Daniel Moore, was a coal > > miner who was laid off. To pass the time, he enrolled at a community > college > near Smithton. He wrote such compelling history papers on the coal > mines that > he was encouraged to continue and now has his Ph.D in mining, but > Central > America, not USA. I sent those articles to the Chestnut Ridge > Historical > Society. > > I think our family has a speck of coal dust in our genes. > > Gr.grandpap Jim Moore somewhere near Chestnut Ridge, his sons whereever > they > could find work. Gr.grandpap Charles Alexander Sholey somewhere near > Derry > Station. His dad, Cyrus John Sholey of Ligonier, in Sutersville. > > Shirley Maynard > Hampton, VA > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. 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Richard, I believe Samuel Simpson was from Lancaster County, Pennsylvania before he came to Westmoreland County. How about yours? I wonder if we could find a connection there? Barbara Shannon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard McClelland Simpson, III" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] Trying to unblock some road blocks... > Your SIMPSON family is a "married-in" of mine, thru the Baker line. I keep > looking upwards thru your line just to see if it connects back to mine. > > I honestly find it hard to believe that there were two distinct Simpson > families within a few miles of one another in Westmoreland County, > Pennsylvania. I would believe that in England, Scotland or Ireland...but in > 1800 in western Pennsylvania? To me, that stretches the imagination. > > Richard > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Barbara Shannon > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:00 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO] Trying to unblock some road blocks... > > I've been watching this exchange with interest. I'm at a standstill with my > SIMPSON family research also. > > Mine is the "other" Simpson family that you refer to. Anannias Theodore > Simpson and Lucetta Ann Simpson are the children of John Simpson (1818 - > 1867) and Catharine Miller (1821 -1901). Their sister, Sarah Ann Simpson > (1840-1908), is my great-great grandmother. She was married to Joseph Peter > Wible. > > John Simpson is the son of Samuel Simpson (1770-1855) and Franey Ebersol > (1785- ca 1852). This is where my Simpson research dead ends. > > Barbara Shannon > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [PAWESTMO] Coal miners In a message dated 8/21/2008 8:36:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Maybe you could add your father, grandfather and uncles' names to the Smithdale database when you figure out the name of the mine. On the census records where they are listed as miners, does it say anything in the occupation category to suggest the name of the mine? I thought there was just one mine in Smithdale. I was just a kid but I remember only one mine. It may have changed owners over the years. I remember the kids I played with and went to school with. Not their parents' names. I'll look through the 1930 Smithdale census. I know the kids were too young to be on the census, but perhaps their parents were. And by chance, perhaps the mine's name is, as well. I can see the village yet. Where they sat, the company store, the post office, the tavern, the church, the school on top of the hill next to a burning slag heap,the ferry over the Yough River, the houses and outhouses, the RR track, and the mine, and the town pump that wasn't needed anymore when I was young. It's burned into my memory. Especially the disaster siren that sent us all running over the tracks and up the hill to the mine entrance. I heard it again as the emergency vehicle siren in Europe and it sent shivers up my spine. Grandpap Harry Moore had a slate wall fall on his head and it broke a bone in his neck that wasn't discovered until he was an old man. He suffered horrible headaches all his adult life. My dad, Harley Drake, suffered his last years with coal miners' lung. My Uncle Harry Moore was disabled by a ruined lung. >From my years of breathing the coal dust as the train cars passed within 20 feet of my front porch I have had lung problems. There were mine injuries the records will never show. Indian Territory doesn't have the same sort of miners site. They have a statue with names on it, none on line. That's too bad. My aunt's father in law lost his life in those mines, T. A. Drake. My grandmother's first husband was killed in those mines, Lee Williams, and her father, John Hasty, was injured. My grandfather Joe Drake was a union organizer, deported out of the territory by federal troops, but he returned and continued with his union activities. My father was blackballed at age 15 when his father died...he could never work in those mines, they said, because of his father's union activities. It is a fascinating subject. My first cousin, Daniel Moore, was a coal miner who was laid off. To pass the time, he enrolled at a community college near Smithton. He wrote such compelling history papers on the coal mines that he was encouraged to continue and now has his Ph.D in mining, but Central America, not USA. I sent those articles to the Chestnut Ridge Historical Society. I think our family has a speck of coal dust in our genes. Gr.grandpap Jim Moore somewhere near Chestnut Ridge, his sons whereever they could find work. Gr.grandpap Charles Alexander Sholey somewhere near Derry Station. His dad, Cyrus John Sholey of Ligonier, in Sutersville. Shirley Maynard Hampton, VA **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ============================================================================== This communication, together with any attachments hereto or links contained herein, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is confidential or legally protected. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, disclosure, copying, dissemination, distribution or use of this communication is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail message and delete the original and all copies of the communication, along with any attachments hereto or links herein, from your system. ============================================================================== The Travelers e-mail system made this annotation on 08/22/08, 13:31:18.