In a message dated 3/27/04 12:32:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, IrisLillie@aol.com writes: > Was he (Benj) the oldest or the oldest male..... That was the way the bio worded it---haven't entered data as yet. that's the other thing I hit with a falling tree yesterday---my right hand. yuk. and how come I'm doing a lot of cutting and pasting. <g> OK: checked. It appears he was the eldest child born--- His father, John, mother, Ursula Vanooy/Van Noy, (d/o Benjamin Van Noy/Vanooy )md c 1780---but, John was off in the war--so, either they md later, or, they married and he went back to battle. or, a first child may not have lived. Sheila // Firehair